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252021-03-18T02:48:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #20454: build: Bump clang version to fix non-determinism (master...201122-clang) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20454
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332021-03-18T03:37:33 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a9d1b40d53ec...d6e3ac89d4e6
342021-03-18T03:37:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c180c91 Jarol Rodriguez: doc: revamp macOS build doc
352021-03-18T03:37:34 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d6e3ac8 fanquake: Merge #21343: doc: revamp macOS build doc
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382021-03-18T03:37:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #21343: doc: revamp macOS build doc (master...macos-build-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21343
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412021-03-18T03:41:18 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d6e3ac89d4e6...bf7c22f7ff83
422021-03-18T03:41:18 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1a01a5d Hennadii Stepanov: doc: Update zlib info in dependencies.md
432021-03-18T03:41:19 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bb3f79f Hennadii Stepanov: doc: Update libnatpmp info in dependencies.md
442021-03-18T03:41:19 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bf7c22f fanquake: Merge #21435: doc: Update dependencies.md
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472021-03-18T03:41:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #21435: doc: Update dependencies.md (master...210314-deps) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21435
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512021-03-18T03:51:30 <mj_node> hi all, wanted to get the pulse of dev community on blockstack, is this something worth looking into?
522021-03-18T03:52:21 <fanquake> mj_node: no idea what that is, no doubt off-topic here
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802021-03-18T06:58:57 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bf7c22f7ff83...e057e01b7b7b
812021-03-18T06:58:57 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a38a4e8 John Newbery: [net processing] Move RelayTransaction into PeerManager
822021-03-18T06:58:58 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 680eb56 John Newbery: [net processing] Don't pass CConnman to RelayTransactions
832021-03-18T06:58:59 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e057e01 fanquake: Merge #21162: Net Processing: Move RelayTransaction() into PeerManager
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862021-03-18T06:59:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #21162: Net Processing: Move RelayTransaction() into PeerManager (master...2021-02-relay-transactions-peer-manager) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21162
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992021-03-18T08:02:23 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e057e01b7b7b...6834e02c896b
1002021-03-18T08:02:24 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa2a80b MarcoFalke: refactor: Pass PeerManagerImpl members only once
1012021-03-18T08:02:25 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6834e02 MarcoFalke: Merge #21425: refactor: Pass PeerManagerImpl members only once
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1042021-03-18T08:02:42 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21425: refactor: Pass PeerManagerImpl members only once (master...2103-refactorMember) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21425
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1232021-03-18T09:46:18 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6834e02c896b...a65e772fec62
1242021-03-18T09:46:19 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 61a0f8f Hennadii Stepanov: test: Cleanup test files in test-{security,symbol}-check.py
1252021-03-18T09:46:19 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0fc0c00 Hennadii Stepanov: test: Drop unused get_machine function
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1272021-03-18T09:46:20 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a65e772 fanquake: Merge #21428: test: Cleanup in test-{security,symbol}-check.py
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1302021-03-18T09:46:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #21428: test: Cleanup in test-{security,symbol}-check.py (master...210313-check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21428
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1592021-03-18T14:23:40 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #21467: Move external signer out of wallet module (master...2021/03/signer_no_wallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21467
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1642021-03-18T14:35:44 <michaelfolkson> #proposedmeetingtopic Taproot activation PRs and attempting to finalize startheight
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2002021-03-18T17:36:24 <Arvidt> Any preference for having base-10 (kB/MB/GB) or base-2 (KiB/MiB/GiB) prefix for GUI network peer tab data transferred/throughput value? See https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/248 Would be thankful to get some feedback.
2012021-03-18T17:39:53 <luke-jr> Arvidt: base 10 sucks ;)
2022021-03-18T17:40:32 <hebasto> luke-jr: what reasons for?
2032021-03-18T17:40:53 <luke-jr> hebasto: 10 is a multiple of 5 and 2
2042021-03-18T17:41:38 <luke-jr> but more importantly, networks tend to use base-1024 measurements
2052021-03-18T17:42:20 <sipa> my gigabit ethernet does 1000000000 bits/s
2062021-03-18T17:42:31 <luke-jr> sipa: it does? :o
2072021-03-18T17:42:36 <sipa> yes
2082021-03-18T17:42:55 <luke-jr> hmm
2092021-03-18T17:42:58 <sipa> all network stuff is 1000-based, as far as i know'
2102021-03-18T17:43:16 <sipa> only disk sizes use 1024-based units conventionally
2112021-03-18T17:43:21 <sipa> or on-disk sizes
2122021-03-18T17:43:26 <luke-jr> RAM typically does even now
2132021-03-18T17:43:40 <sipa> that's true, RAM is also typically 1024-based
2142021-03-18T17:44:49 <luke-jr> well, decimal still sucks, but we should match what other stuff does
2152021-03-18T17:44:59 <luke-jr> eg, torrent clients, browsers, etc
2162021-03-18T17:55:11 <jeremyrubin> can we use nats?
2172021-03-18T17:56:00 <jeremyrubin> I think the thing with the MiB MB is it's always "close enough" if you mix em up
2182021-03-18T17:56:22 <sipa> it's 7.3% off!
2192021-03-18T17:59:37 <jeremyrubin> I think that's why people get away with confusing labeling
2202021-03-18T18:00:23 <sipa> once you get to peta/pebi it's a 12.6% difference
2212021-03-18T18:00:32 <jeremyrubin> you should file a CFPB complaint :)
2222021-03-18T18:01:05 <sipa> child for parent bays?
2232021-03-18T18:02:28 <jeremyrubin> I guess CFPB only does financial fraud
2242021-03-18T18:02:32 <jeremyrubin> anyways off topic
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2272021-03-18T18:26:17 <Arvidt> OK I just left the 1000-based prefixes then and just corrected the divisor from 1024 to 1000. Thanks for Your feedback
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2292021-03-18T18:29:30 * luke-jr proposes using 1024-based units when it is a good thing, and 1000-based units when it is bad or a cost :P
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2382021-03-18T19:00:33 <Arvidt> The good thing with binary prefix is that one can be pretty sure the programmers are aware of the complex and (hopefully) knew what they have programmed
2392021-03-18T19:00:43 <jnewbery> meet?
2402021-03-18T19:00:46 <wumpus> #startmeeting
2412021-03-18T19:00:46 <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 18 19:00:46 2021 UTC. The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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2432021-03-18T19:00:51 <achow101> hi
2442021-03-18T19:00:54 <jnewbery> hi
2452021-03-18T19:00:55 <amiti> hi
2462021-03-18T19:00:55 <sipa> hi
2472021-03-18T19:00:57 <fjahr> hi
2482021-03-18T19:00:57 <michaelfolkson> hi
2492021-03-18T19:00:57 <hebasto> hi
2502021-03-18T19:01:11 <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 aj amiti ariard bluematt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik
2512021-03-18T19:01:13 <wumpus> petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild wumpus
2522021-03-18T19:01:22 <glozow> hi
2532021-03-18T19:01:26 <meshcollider> hi
2542021-03-18T19:01:38 <wumpus> no proposed meeting topics in http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt
2552021-03-18T19:01:55 <michaelfolkson> I proposed one. Did I do it wrong? :)
2562021-03-18T19:01:58 <wumpus> (fwiw: you can propose meeting topics with #proposedmeetingtopic during the week)
2572021-03-18T19:02:07 <wumpus> michaelfolkson: oh? maybe overlooked it
2582021-03-18T19:02:12 <jeremyrubin> hi
2592021-03-18T19:02:28 <luke-jr> hi
2602021-03-18T19:02:30 <wumpus> ah yes
2612021-03-18T19:02:38 <dongcarl> hi
2622021-03-18T19:02:46 <luke-jr> [14:35:46] <michaelfolkson> #proposedmeetingtopic Taproot activation PRs and attempting to finalize startheight
2632021-03-18T19:02:48 <wumpus> Taproot activation PRs and attempting to finalize startheight (michaelfolkson)
2642021-03-18T19:02:50 <jonatack> hi
2652021-03-18T19:03:04 <wumpus> luke-jr: yes it was the last line, after a lot of spam, which is why i missed it sorry
2662021-03-18T19:03:18 <wumpus> any last minute topic proposals?
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2682021-03-18T19:03:54 <wumpus> #topic High priority for review
2692021-03-18T19:03:55 <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
2702021-03-18T19:04:11 <achow101> #21392 for me
2712021-03-18T19:04:14 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21392 | Implement BIP 8 based Speedy Trial activation by achow101 · Pull Request #21392 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2722021-03-18T19:04:28 <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 8 blockers, 2 chasing concept ACKs right now
2732021-03-18T19:04:32 <sipa> i think #20861 is ready for merge
2742021-03-18T19:04:35 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20861 | BIP 350: Implement Bech32m and use it for v1+ segwit addresses by sipa · Pull Request #20861 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2752021-03-18T19:05:09 <dongcarl> Not enough to be a meeting topic but would like to give a quick Guix update once the meeting's over
2762021-03-18T19:05:37 <jnewbery> sipa: I agree
2772021-03-18T19:05:45 <wumpus> achow101: 21392 addded
2782021-03-18T19:05:53 <wumpus> sipa: good to know! will take a look
2792021-03-18T19:05:56 <jonatack> review beg for #20197
2802021-03-18T19:05:59 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20197 | p2p: protect onions in AttemptToEvictConnection(), add eviction protection test coverage by jonatack · Pull Request #20197 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2812021-03-18T19:06:28 <jonatack> repeated ACK by vasild and numerous concept acks
2822021-03-18T19:06:42 <sipa> jnewbery: will have a look
2832021-03-18T19:06:45 <sipa> eh
2842021-03-18T19:06:49 <sipa> jonatack: ^
2852021-03-18T19:06:57 <jonatack> sipa: ty!
2862021-03-18T19:07:03 <wumpus> jonatack: will have a look too
2872021-03-18T19:07:59 <wumpus> any more suggestions for additions/removals?
2882021-03-18T19:09:07 <wumpus> #topic Taproot activation PRs and attempting to finalize startheight (michaelfolkson)
2892021-03-18T19:09:07 <core-meetingbot> topic: Taproot activation PRs and attempting to finalize startheight (michaelfolkson)
2902021-03-18T19:09:47 <michaelfolkson> Ok cool. So after a torturous process of many weeks (which none of us have enjoyed) I think (!) we are close on Taproot activation
2912021-03-18T19:10:25 <michaelfolkson> achow101 has already linked to his PR implementing Speedy Trial
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2932021-03-18T19:10:49 <michaelfolkson> aj has an alternative PR https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21377
2942021-03-18T19:11:31 <michaelfolkson> Now there is obviously the added complication of needing to finalize a startheight
2952021-03-18T19:11:41 <wumpus> any specific reason to have competing PRs?
2962021-03-18T19:12:01 <achow101> 21377 uses the MTP start and timeouts, 21392 uses height
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2992021-03-18T19:12:16 <michaelfolkson> aj PR changes less code, uses existing BIP 9 code
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3012021-03-18T19:12:47 <wumpus> right, thanks
3022021-03-18T19:13:09 <michaelfolkson> There is an added complication that some people seem not like to BIP 8 and so trying to get around using it (I think but I could be wrong)
3032021-03-18T19:13:27 <michaelfolkson> That is a sense I get (which some people have told me is wrong)
3042021-03-18T19:14:07 <michaelfolkson> Speedy Trial doesn't have a relaxed proposed timetable
3052021-03-18T19:14:13 <achow101> people seem to not like some aspects of BIP 8, but the change to heights is generally seen to be a good change
3062021-03-18T19:14:25 <michaelfolkson> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-March/018594.html
3072021-03-18T19:14:30 <luke-jr> ST would be very controversial with MTP, or without a clear documentation/disclaimer
3082021-03-18T19:14:34 <michaelfolkson> Those are proposed dates
3092021-03-18T19:15:03 <achow101> no one is trying to "get around using BIP 8" because they don't like it. 21377 exists because it is a minimal change, not because MTP is better or that heights are bad.
3102021-03-18T19:15:13 <michaelfolkson> So we don't have much time to work with if we are going to keep to that proposed timetable
3112021-03-18T19:15:37 <michaelfolkson> achow101: I've got the sense that it is more than that (but as I said I've been corrected)
3122021-03-18T19:16:09 <jeremyrubin> I think that ST with MTP is only really controversial with activate MTP, not activate height
3132021-03-18T19:16:18 <achow101> michaelfolkson: the objections I've seen have been to the lockinontimeout parameter. please don't generalize that to disliking the entirety of bip 8
3142021-03-18T19:16:35 <jeremyrubin> It's really easy to get around the signaling periods issue by targetting a mid-signal period activate height and time
3152021-03-18T19:16:41 <michaelfolkson> achow101: Right but lockinontimeout is in BIP 8
3162021-03-18T19:16:50 <jeremyrubin> given the short timetable, mining drift will likely be minimal
3172021-03-18T19:17:12 <michaelfolkson> achow101: So that seems to be the only reason for disliking BIP 8 (at least in my view)
3182021-03-18T19:17:19 <luke-jr> achow101's proposal seems the least controversial at the moment
3192021-03-18T19:17:20 <jeremyrubin> s/activate height and time/start,end height and time/
3202021-03-18T19:17:45 <michaelfolkson> A startheight of May 1st was proposed which doesn't leave much time
3212021-03-18T19:17:58 <luke-jr> michaelfolkson: it's for signalling, not activation
3222021-03-18T19:18:06 <achow101> michaelfolkson: it really does not matter and trying to focus on that bip number distinction is bikeshedding, a waste of time, and no one (except you) cares
3232021-03-18T19:18:08 <luke-jr> a release May 1 is okay with that startheight
3242021-03-18T19:18:39 <michaelfolkson> achow101: I don't care about it personally :) I just don't want it delaying reviewing of PR(s)
3252021-03-18T19:19:22 <jeremyrubin> To restate more clearly: The main reason to prefer Achow's w/ start height and time is to fix the issue of a known number of singalling periods by using heights and not times. The main reason to prefer AJ's is smaller diff. Either will work. Because of the 3 month period proposed, we can likely set times so that we have a known number of periods with high confidence.
3262021-03-18T19:19:42 <jeremyrubin> I don't have a preference either way
3272021-03-18T19:19:56 <achow101> jeremyrubin: note that 21377 has changed to using an activation height. It only uses MTP for start and timeout time
3282021-03-18T19:20:10 <jeremyrubin> Yep!
3292021-03-18T19:20:18 <michaelfolkson> luke-jr: Assuming. a release of May 1 when does the PR need to be merged by?
3302021-03-18T19:20:39 <michaelfolkson> I'm kind of in the dark on whether the proposed startheight of May 1st is doable
3312021-03-18T19:20:45 <luke-jr> michaelfolkson: typically there's at least 1 week of a RC
3322021-03-18T19:21:11 <luke-jr> add a few days to backport I guess
3332021-03-18T19:21:15 <achow101> Note that the windows signing certificate expires next week. I'm in the process of renewing it currently, but it's a process that takes some time
3342021-03-18T19:21:23 <jeremyrubin> achow101: my point about known periods is just that if you pick start/end heights that are mid-signaling period there's unlikely to be enough drift to cause an off-by-one in intended # of singaling. I agree that height is superior in general.
3352021-03-18T19:21:25 <michaelfolkson> And what needs to be done in advance of May 1st. Lots of communication to mining pools, users etc?
3362021-03-18T19:21:32 <achow101> so any future release will need to wait for that cert to be renewed
3372021-03-18T19:21:37 <jeremyrubin> and activationheight is agreed on across both proposals
3382021-03-18T19:21:39 <luke-jr> michaelfolkson: ST is okay because it's okay if ST fails
3392021-03-18T19:21:55 <wumpus> achow101: good to know
3402021-03-18T19:22:04 <michaelfolkson> luke-jr: Right but we want to give it as good chance as we can to succeed
3412021-03-18T19:22:16 <michaelfolkson> Releasing quietly and waiting until it fails shouldn't be the plan
3422021-03-18T19:22:29 <wumpus> achow101: i guess we have no releases planned immediately so given it cawn be resolved in a month or so it's no big deal
3432021-03-18T19:22:43 <jeremyrubin> I don't think we should wait for a windows signing cert personally -- I don't like the notion of Microsoft being in the way of bitcoin development
3442021-03-18T19:23:07 <achow101> jeremyrubin: I expect I'll have it resolved by the time we're ready to make a release anyways
3452021-03-18T19:23:22 <wumpus> jeremyrubin: that doesn't seem to be the case at all
3462021-03-18T19:23:22 <meshcollider> Is this going to be 21.1 release, not 22?
3472021-03-18T19:23:33 <luke-jr> jeremyrubin: we could always publish the unsigned binaries, but it'd be better to not have an odd release
3482021-03-18T19:24:20 <wumpus> not codesigning it will probably hinder adoption i think that would be even worse and besides there is no real hurry
3492021-03-18T19:24:26 <michaelfolkson> Normally competing PRs is good, gives a chance for people to pursue different approaches. Given the short timetable I'm not sure if this is as important for this. But obviously not going to ask people to only review one PR
3502021-03-18T19:25:05 <jeremyrubin> sure, i just don't think we should ever be in a position that we delay anything due to a third party vendor -- if signing binaries with MSFT approval opens us up to coercion, we should probably plan to deprecate that sort of signing. Let's not discuss further in this meeting though
3512021-03-18T19:25:46 <wumpus> please
3522021-03-18T19:26:17 <wumpus> there is no talk of coercion at all here, if there was i'd agree with you ,for now we have enough real issues let's not make up any
3532021-03-18T19:26:41 <achow101> in order to make the May 1st start time, I think we should get 0.21.1 by April 24th at the latest
3542021-03-18T19:26:52 <wumpus> right
3552021-03-18T19:26:53 <michaelfolkson> If we are going to change the proposed timetable I personally think that is ok but I can't speak for certain with all the ACKers on this if it changes *substantially* https://gist.github.com/michaelfolkson/92899f27f1ab30aa2ebee82314f8fe7f
3562021-03-18T19:27:25 <michaelfolkson> But it sounds like May 1st is doable which is great
3572021-03-18T19:27:31 <achow101> For 2 RCs, we need to get everything in by April 10th
3582021-03-18T19:27:57 <jeremyrubin> michaelfolkson: I don't see any concrete dates there?
3592021-03-18T19:28:06 <jeremyrubin> so I don't know what people are ACKing w.r.t. a timeline
3602021-03-18T19:28:13 <michaelfolkson> If anyone has concerns though about this timetable please raise them. Personally I think a delay of a few weeks would be ok
3612021-03-18T19:28:16 <achow101> Since this requires backport, I think having the PRs merged to master by April 3rd is the latest
3622021-03-18T19:28:27 <achow101> then a week for backport
3632021-03-18T19:28:35 <achow101> then RC1 and so on
3642021-03-18T19:28:43 <michaelfolkson> jeremyrubin: They are ACKing the proposal
3652021-03-18T19:28:52 <wumpus> so the real bottleneck is trusting the code enough to merge it (including the backport), it is better to not split reviewers over multiple PRs if possible
3662021-03-18T19:29:20 <achow101> indeed
3672021-03-18T19:29:26 <wumpus> maybe two competing approaches is fine but let's not open more :-)
3682021-03-18T19:29:34 <michaelfolkson> wumpus: Personally I would agree. I also don't want it to be rushed. If the timetable needs to be pushed back I think that is ok
3692021-03-18T19:29:47 <michaelfolkson> But if we can avoid that it would be great
3702021-03-18T19:30:01 <jeremyrubin> michaelfolkson: I just don't see a specific startheight/startime in the proposal
3712021-03-18T19:30:04 <wumpus> aiming for april 3 sgtm
3722021-03-18T19:30:17 <luke-jr> I opened a PR with just the height/user-facing stuff, but it already conflicts between 0.21 and master, so I'm not sure it gains anything over just reviewing+merging achow's as-is
3732021-03-18T19:30:20 <sipa> 2 weeks (tm)
3742021-03-18T19:30:22 <wumpus> it is short time though
3752021-03-18T19:30:34 <luke-jr> let's aim for March 25th then
3762021-03-18T19:30:36 <luke-jr> :P
3772021-03-18T19:30:37 <michaelfolkson> jeremyrubin: Good point. The dates were in a follow up email https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-March/018594.html
3782021-03-18T19:30:42 <jeremyrubin> michaelfolkson: so I'm not sure what timetable you think is being ackd
3792021-03-18T19:30:56 <sipa> let's just focus on code review
3802021-03-18T19:30:57 <jeremyrubin> Gotcha, but it's unclear that was ACKd. My read is people ACKd the general shape of it
3812021-03-18T19:31:03 <sipa> let me know what to look at
3822021-03-18T19:31:07 <wumpus> we should probably delay merging anything that conflicts
3832021-03-18T19:31:12 <michaelfolkson> jeremyrubin: That's fair challenge
3842021-03-18T19:31:14 <jeremyrubin> so I think it's fine for core to pick reasonable times
3852021-03-18T19:31:15 <meshcollider> #21392
3862021-03-18T19:31:17 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21392 | Implement BIP 8 based Speedy Trial activation by achow101 · Pull Request #21392 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3872021-03-18T19:31:31 <meshcollider> FWIW I don't think the size of the diff of achow101's version is really an issue ^
3882021-03-18T19:31:43 <amiti> my two cents: I don't think either PR is close to being RFM, both need significantly more review. looks like 21392 is currently failing CI. If the goal is to quickly merge with safety, I think 21377 makes more sense (as I stated on the PR)
3892021-03-18T19:31:46 <wumpus> having to rebase the PR all the time will not make it getting through review easier, after all
3902021-03-18T19:31:53 <amiti> the diff is much smaller and mostly tests
3912021-03-18T19:32:04 <wumpus> amiti: +1
3922021-03-18T19:32:20 <luke-jr> amiti: consensus comes first
3932021-03-18T19:32:29 <achow101> the ci failure on 21392 should be fixed now
3942021-03-18T19:33:26 <amiti> achow101: cool, and I'm not opposed to 21392, I'm just saying its a bigger patch requires more review.
3952021-03-18T19:34:14 <michaelfolkson> I know I sound like a broken record but BIP 8 has been updated and BIP 9 is "dead" according to one of the authors. So from a BIP perspective BIP 8 would be easier. I get amiti's argument that code diff wise AJ's smaller
3962021-03-18T19:34:37 <jeremyrubin> I don't think "BIP9 is dead" is useful here
3972021-03-18T19:34:41 <jeremyrubin> the code works fine
3982021-03-18T19:34:50 <michaelfolkson> Code is most important
3992021-03-18T19:34:52 <amiti> michaelfolkson: I don't think it makes sense to fixate on the associated bip number. the main difference between these two PRs are using block height vs MTP
4002021-03-18T19:35:00 <jeremyrubin> the property that achow101's PR improves is a fixed # of signals
4012021-03-18T19:35:11 <achow101> it comes down to mtp vs block height
4022021-03-18T19:35:11 <michaelfolkson> amiti: I think there is consensus on block height from what I've seen
4032021-03-18T19:35:19 <jeremyrubin> The question is if it is worth addtl review on new code.
4042021-03-18T19:35:30 <jeremyrubin> I agree that height is superior long term
4052021-03-18T19:35:36 <michaelfolkson> (but there are still a lot of reviewers who haven't looked at it yet)
4062021-03-18T19:35:39 <amiti> micahelfolkson: I don't think you can claim that there is consensus on either, neither patch has been thoroughly reviewed
4072021-03-18T19:35:45 <achow101> with mtp, we run the risk of losing 2 signaling periods. with already few signaling periods, this has the possibility of failng to activate due to bad luck
4082021-03-18T19:35:52 <luke-jr> jeremyrubin: without height, ST doesn't have community support
4092021-03-18T19:36:01 <achow101> amiti: consensus on the concept
4102021-03-18T19:36:05 <jeremyrubin> But it's important to mind that for ST, it's a very short window of time (3 months) so by targetting a mid-period we have a known # of signals with high confidence
4112021-03-18T19:36:13 <luke-jr> amiti: consensus has nothing to do with review
4122021-03-18T19:36:15 <michaelfolkson> amiti: I'm only basing it on what I've seen in discussions and meetings. I personally don't have a (strong) view
4132021-03-18T19:36:48 <michaelfolkson> We've had meetings with a number of Core contributors showing up and discussing it
4142021-03-18T19:36:58 <jeremyrubin> achow101: the risk is tiny with MTP if you target mid signal periods, and only the last one matters
4152021-03-18T19:37:10 <michaelfolkson> Deliberately off this channel so as not to block this channel for weeks/months
4162021-03-18T19:37:14 <jeremyrubin> (is my point about mid period times falling on deaf ears?)
4172021-03-18T19:37:38 <jeremyrubin> you would need a super large hashrate shift to happen, and then we'd have bigger problems
4182021-03-18T19:37:54 <jonatack> will review both soon
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4202021-03-18T19:38:02 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 6 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a65e772fec62...8ec881d3b694
4212021-03-18T19:38:02 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master da2bb69 Pieter Wuille: Implement Bech32m encoding/decoding
4222021-03-18T19:38:03 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 25b1c6e Pieter Wuille: Add Bech32m test vectors
4232021-03-18T19:38:03 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fe5e495 Pieter Wuille: Use Bech32m encoding for v1+ segwit addresses
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4252021-03-18T19:38:11 <sipa> \o/
4262021-03-18T19:38:19 <jnewbery> yay!
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4282021-03-18T19:38:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20861: BIP 350: Implement Bech32m and use it for v1+ segwit addresses (master...202101_bech32m) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20861
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4302021-03-18T19:38:24 <jnewbery> thanks wumpus
4312021-03-18T19:38:30 <wumpus> \o/
4322021-03-18T19:38:43 <achow101> jeremyrubin: I get that, but both start and end matter.
4332021-03-18T19:38:43 <jonatack> b-b-b-bech32mmmmmm
4342021-03-18T19:38:45 <michaelfolkson> jeremyrubin: I think that would be a material change to the proposal
4352021-03-18T19:38:59 <glozow> :M:
4362021-03-18T19:39:17 <achow101> jeremyrubin: that would move the start time to april 24th, which also affects our timelin for merging things
4372021-03-18T19:39:35 <jnewbery> is the conclusion to this conversation going to be that people should review PRs?
4382021-03-18T19:39:41 <achow101> I guess we could just ignore that first half-period
4392021-03-18T19:39:41 <wumpus> so summary re: taproot activation: aim for april 3 for 0.21.1rc1, review both PRs asap, please hold up merging conflicting PRs for now
4402021-03-18T19:39:51 <jeremyrubin> achow101: exactly... it can't hit threshold anyways
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4422021-03-18T19:40:05 <jnewbery> wumpus: sounds good!
4432021-03-18T19:40:08 <michaelfolkson> Right, agreed jnewbery wumpus
4442021-03-18T19:40:19 <amiti> wumpus: sounds good :)
4452021-03-18T19:40:53 <wumpus> if we can make a decision between the two PRs quickly that would be even better
4462021-03-18T19:41:08 <wumpus> and allow focusing attention, but obviously that shouldn't be done in the meeting
4472021-03-18T19:42:04 <michaelfolkson> Yup
4482021-03-18T19:42:18 <luke-jr> only one of them is socially viable anyway..
4492021-03-18T19:42:19 <wumpus> any other topics?
4502021-03-18T19:42:19 <amiti> also want to quickly mention #21380, adds fuzz tests to version bits, useful coverage whichever PR/technique we go with
4512021-03-18T19:42:22 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21380 | tests: Add fuzzing harness for versionbits by ajtowns · Pull Request #21380 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4522021-03-18T19:42:51 <achow101> dongcarl had one?
4532021-03-18T19:42:51 <michaelfolkson> amiti: Cool
4542021-03-18T19:43:08 <luke-jr> achow101: I think he wanted to do it after the meeting tho
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4562021-03-18T19:43:17 <wumpus> achow101: but for after the meeting he said
4572021-03-18T19:43:23 <wumpus> yea
4582021-03-18T19:43:28 <dongcarl> Just a quick Guix update once everyone's done discussing :-)
4592021-03-18T19:43:43 <wumpus> amiti: good point
4602021-03-18T19:44:12 <midnight> \o/ also!
4612021-03-18T19:44:39 <wumpus> #endmeeting
4622021-03-18T19:44:39 <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
4632021-03-18T19:44:40 <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Mar 18 19:44:39 2021 UTC.
4642021-03-18T19:44:40 <core-meetingbot> Minutes: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-03-18-19.00.moin.txt
4652021-03-18T19:44:59 <dongcarl> Here's my quick Guix update:
4662021-03-18T19:44:59 <dongcarl> Originally, I planned to build things heads-down for 5 wks (ending today) then do user-testing + refinement for 5 weeks (ending on April 22nd). /1
4672021-03-18T19:44:59 <dongcarl> However, many of you were eager enough to test my half-baked scripts, and Iâm actually glad we did it this way because many pitfalls were discovered and fixed along the way (see #21375)! Thanks all! /2
4682021-03-18T19:44:59 <dongcarl> So the new plan (operation âroll-with-itâ) is this: we do the building + user testing for 4 more weeks (ending on April 15th), and after that weâll agree on a commit on which to perform a non-codesigned build and upload signatures to `guix.sigs`. /3
4692021-03-18T19:45:01 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21375 | guix: Misc feedback-based fixes + hier restructuring by dongcarl · Pull Request #21375 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4702021-03-18T19:45:46 <dongcarl> I will update the umbrella ticket with this updated timeline today. This does not eat into our 4 week contingency buffer period
4712021-03-18T19:46:06 <achow101> dongcarl: cool!
4722021-03-18T19:46:22 <hebasto> nice
4732021-03-18T19:46:28 <sipa> sgtm, i'm all set up
4742021-03-18T19:46:45 <dongcarl> :-)
4752021-03-18T19:46:50 <achow101> I'll start testing after taproot stuff is merged :)
4762021-03-18T19:46:53 <dongcarl> Thanks again all for testing!
4772021-03-18T19:48:12 <jnewbery> dongcarl: thanks for the update. Very impressive that you're making such great progress with guix _and_ on #20158
4782021-03-18T19:48:14 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20158 | tree-wide: De-globalize ChainstateManager by dongcarl · Pull Request #20158 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4792021-03-18T19:48:28 <jonatack> dongcarl: nice! haven't dove into it yet but looking forward
4802021-03-18T19:48:33 <dongcarl> jnewbery: :-) Hehe thanks John!
4812021-03-18T19:48:53 <dongcarl> jonatack: Reach out any time if you run into anything!
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4842021-03-18T19:53:13 <wumpus> dongcarl: sounds great to me!
4852021-03-18T19:53:38 <jonatack_> dongcarl: (whoops lost the connection) thanks! seems to be the culmination of quite a bit of work leading to this point, so good to see!
4862021-03-18T19:53:47 <wumpus> i've been doing regular guix builds of master and PRs and it seems to work quite smoothly now
4872021-03-18T19:54:43 <dongcarl> wumpus: Glad to hear it!
4882021-03-18T19:54:43 <achow101> dongcarl: has the gnutls problem been fixed in a release yet?
4892021-03-18T19:55:24 <dongcarl> achow101: Not yet, I think upstream is coordinating one soon. I will post on the mailing list again to ask for an update.
4902021-03-18T19:56:14 <dongcarl> See it as... Very temporary incentive to bootstrap Guix from source XP
4912021-03-18T19:56:35 <achow101> ugh
4922021-03-18T19:56:55 <sipa> or enable substitutes for just gnutls *ducks*
4932021-03-18T19:58:03 <hebasto> dongcarl: any update on non-determinism issue for macos builds?
4942021-03-18T19:58:40 <dongcarl> hebasto: see #bitcoin-builds
4952021-03-18T19:58:56 <dongcarl> or reset your system time *ducks*
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4972021-03-18T20:01:10 <sipa> wumpus: how do you use the backport.py script?
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4992021-03-18T20:03:29 <aj> MarcoFalke: are we at "->soon" for 21380 yet?
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5012021-03-18T20:09:31 <wumpus> sipa: run it from the repository directory, easiest is to pass the PR numbers on the command line
5022021-03-18T20:10:41 <wumpus> sipa: with the branch checked out you want to backport to
5032021-03-18T20:11:02 <sipa> that's what i assumed, but it says: Missing: [...]
5042021-03-18T20:11:25 <wumpus> what is the exact command line you are giving?
5052021-03-18T20:11:36 <sipa> doesn't matter, #20861 isn't a trivial backport anyway
5062021-03-18T20:11:40 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20861 | BIP 350: Implement Bech32m and use it for v1+ segwit addresses by sipa · Pull Request #20861 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5072021-03-18T20:11:59 <wumpus> mind that you have to specify the PR number without # as that makes it a comment :)
5082021-03-18T20:12:17 <wumpus> also, make sure the 'master' branch is up to date and has that PR
5092021-03-18T20:12:35 <sipa> i did: ~/git/bitcoin-maintainer-tools/backport.py 20861
5102021-03-18T20:15:57 <wumpus> maybe `git fetch origin master:master` to make sure your repository's master branch is up to date (even if you are on the 0.21 branch)
5112021-03-18T20:17:54 <hebasto> wumpus: luke-jr: I'll appreciate your opinion on #21465 :)
5122021-03-18T20:17:55 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21465 | translation: Provide more context to Transifex translators · Issue #21465 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5132021-03-18T20:19:13 <wumpus> i will have a look
5142021-03-18T20:19:32 <hebasto> wumpus: thanks
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5162021-03-18T20:31:01 <wumpus> hebasto: sorry, i think some of the changes are a bit questionable/unnecessary, fine to let other people weigh in i don't have strong opinions about it but you asked me explicitly :)
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5192021-03-18T20:38:08 <hebasto> wumpus: I was talking about 21465, not #21463...
5202021-03-18T20:38:10 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21463 | doc: Address feedback from Transifex translator community by hebasto · Pull Request #21463 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5212021-03-18T20:39:57 <hebasto> anyway, thanks for your feedback on 21463
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5252021-03-18T20:54:54 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #21469: Implement Bech32m encoding/decoding (0.21 backport) (0.21...202103_bech32m_0.21) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21469
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5302021-03-18T21:18:05 <wumpus> hebasto: oh, yes, will take a look at that one too, I assumed it was the one you just opened
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5342021-03-18T21:26:40 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #21470: Implement Bech32m encoding/decoding (0.20 backport) (0.20...202103_bech32m_0.20) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21470
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5392021-03-18T21:30:03 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #21471: bugfix: fix bech32_encode calls in gen_key_io_test_vectors.py (master...202103_bech32m_fix_genscript) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21471
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5422021-03-18T21:45:25 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #21472: BIP 350: Implement Bech32m and use it for v1+ segwit addresses (0.19 backport) (0.19...202103_bech32m_0.19) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21472
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5592021-03-18T22:06:33 <luke-jr> hebasto: I guess it's a good idea; but might be a good idea to ask Transifex to support it in TS files first?
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5702021-03-18T22:31:15 <hebasto> luke-jr: they have a paid service for fork flow with XLIFF
5712021-03-18T22:31:33 <hebasto> "Translate using XLIFF files as an intermediate format if youâre working with professional translators" -- https://www.transifex.com/pricing/
5722021-03-18T22:31:50 <hebasto> *for work
5732021-03-18T22:32:10 <luke-jr> wait, we'd need to pay to use it?
5742021-03-18T22:32:59 <hebasto> no
5752021-03-18T22:33:24 <hebasto> conversion on their side is paid -- "File conversion to XLIFF format is only available on the Premium plan and up."
5762021-03-18T22:33:45 <hebasto> suggesting conversion on our side
5772021-03-18T22:33:58 <luke-jr> i c
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