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172015-12-15T01:32:47 <Luke-Jr> sipa: FYI, there are actually people and miners using master in production (albeit not many enough that it should be a problem)
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192015-12-15T02:37:49 <dcousens> sipa: indeed
202015-12-15T02:37:53 <dcousens> uh, Luke-Jr*
212015-12-15T02:38:20 <dcousens> but, those same cases are probably running custom policies anyway
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252015-12-15T03:03:43 <Luke-Jr> dcousens: yes, that guy's problem was clearly unrelated to these facts
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272015-12-15T03:36:54 <sipa> Luke-Jr: ok, good to know?
282015-12-15T03:37:39 <sipa> s/\?//
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382015-12-15T04:36:17 <dcousens> Luke-Jr: why is the ECDSA mess in Fedora relevant?
392015-12-15T04:36:47 <Luke-Jr> dcousens: because it's impossible to support building it against the OS as a resultâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦.nevermind, we switched to libsecp256k1
402015-12-15T04:37:03 <dcousens> right
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752015-12-15T11:38:43 <Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: simple_prodname updated for more testing
762015-12-15T12:02:42 <jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: okay. Thanks,... will build again.
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822015-12-15T12:43:58 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, i assume CWallet::fFileBacked is used for test harness stuff?
832015-12-15T12:48:48 <jonasschnelli> phantomcircuit: IMO, the fFileBackend is legacy stuff and unused.
842015-12-15T12:51:21 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, it's used by the recovery code apparently
852015-12-15T12:51:26 <phantomcircuit> CWallet dummyWallet;
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872015-12-15T12:54:40 <jonasschnelli> phantomcircuit: that might be possible... right
882015-12-15T12:57:29 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, lol there's no good reason for it either
892015-12-15T12:58:01 <phantomcircuit> and it's also used in wallet_tests.cpp
902015-12-15T12:58:48 <jonasschnelli> wallet_test does use it over a file backend? not?
912015-12-15T12:59:09 <jonasschnelli> test_bitcoin.cpp calls 'pwalletMain = new CWallet("wallet.dat");'
922015-12-15T12:59:22 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, src/wallet/wallet_tests.cpp
932015-12-15T13:00:03 <jonasschnelli> Arg. Right: static CWallet wallet;
942015-12-15T13:00:23 <jonasschnelli> Maybe for test reasons it could make sense... although, even there we could inject a tmp file
952015-12-15T13:00:40 <jonasschnelli> (and get rid of the fFileBackend stuff)
962015-12-15T13:17:16 <jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: background has now to tiffs,... but does not appear on my mac. Maybe a DSStore problem? Why did you change the DS_Store file anyway? Because of the icon position (based on the filename)?
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1042015-12-15T14:04:00 <GitHub138> [bitcoin] tnull opened pull request #7216: Removed offline testnet DNSSeed 'alexykot.me'. (master...delete_offline_dnsseed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7216
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1372015-12-15T18:10:03 <sdaftuar> if anyone is up for reviewing 7062, it could use some review (one of last two PRs tagged for 0.12 that's not yet merged).
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1542015-12-15T20:01:46 <desantis> honest question: How does this channel differ from bitcoin-dev?
1552015-12-15T20:03:07 <sipa> This is specifically about the Bitcoin Core software, and its implementation details
1562015-12-15T20:03:31 <sipa> #bitcoin-dev is more for development of the protocol
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1602015-12-15T20:17:16 <desantis> sipa: thanks!
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1622015-12-15T20:23:26 <sdaftuar> why do blocks with more sigops than MAX_BLOCK_SIGOPS not get marked as failed (BLOCK_FAILED_VALID)?
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1662015-12-15T20:33:13 <sipa> sdaftuar: thry should!
1672015-12-15T20:33:56 <sdaftuar> sipa: ah, good to know
1682015-12-15T20:46:57 <GitHub85> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #7217: Mark blocks with too many sigops as failed (master...fix-sigops-rejection) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7217
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1882015-12-15T22:22:52 <job_> BlueMatt gmaxwell good seeing you guys last night. a few quick questions about getblocktemplate when you've got a sec
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1902015-12-15T22:23:54 <BlueMatt> go for it
1912015-12-15T22:24:44 <jamesob> i) what, in particular, about getblocktemplate requires holding cs_main? is it just that CreateNewBlock needs it, or do we want a consistent snapshot of the txs to include in the template?
1922015-12-15T22:25:00 <sipa> yeah, consistent snapshot
1932015-12-15T22:25:09 <sipa> and later verification of the constructed block
1942015-12-15T22:25:19 <sipa> which needs access to the utxo set
1952015-12-15T22:25:45 <jamesob> okay, so we need a consistent view of the utxo set to validate the block template we've just constructed
1962015-12-15T22:27:07 <jamesob> ii) under what circumstances do we want to rebuild this blocktemplate cache we're talking about replacing the `CreateNewBlock` routine with?
1972015-12-15T22:27:10 <BlueMatt> jamesob: yes, CreateNewBlock needs a consistent snapshot of the utxo
1982015-12-15T22:27:21 <BlueMatt> so getblocktemplate shouldn't take cs_main, but CreateNewBlock will, ofc, have to
1992015-12-15T22:27:24 <jamesob> e.g. on new chain tip, on new txs, periodically?
2002015-12-15T22:27:50 <jamesob> or some/all of the above
2012015-12-15T22:27:53 <BlueMatt> hmm? no, keep CreateNewBlock, just cache its output in a field that getblocktemplate reads from
2022015-12-15T22:28:10 <BlueMatt> as for rebuilding, just call CreateNewBlock on a timer for now
2032015-12-15T22:28:15 <BlueMatt> we can get smarter later :)
2042015-12-15T22:28:26 <jamesob> right on
2052015-12-15T22:28:48 <jamesob> so should we start with a PR that moves CreateNewBlock to a time-rebuilt cache, then iterate from there?
2062015-12-15T22:28:50 <BlueMatt> and the timer can be aggressive as long as CreateNewBlock aggressively gives up cs_main and just fails when a new block is coming in
2072015-12-15T22:29:16 <BlueMatt> I'd assume all three things from last night can fit into one pr
2082015-12-15T22:29:26 <BlueMatt> I'd hope its not much code, though, again, I havent looked at it
2092015-12-15T22:29:42 <BlueMatt> problem with moving CNB to a background-thread by itself is you end up with way more cs_main time :(
2102015-12-15T22:29:57 <jamesob> it looks like there's gonna be some shuffling... might have to factor the innards of the rpc definition out into some separate bit that we can call from some scheduled routine
2112015-12-15T22:30:08 <jamesob> BlueMatt yeah, that's what I was thinking...
2122015-12-15T22:30:31 <jamesob> like, if we've got this thing acquiring cs_main on an aggressive regular schedule, that may cause MORE contention
2132015-12-15T22:30:32 <BlueMatt> yea, I figured half of the rpc code would have to be moved out
2142015-12-15T22:30:35 <BlueMatt> that wouldnt surprise me
2152015-12-15T22:31:02 <BlueMatt> yup, hence the requirement to drop cs_main and fail mid-process if there is "important" contention (ie a new block came in)
2162015-12-15T22:31:18 <BlueMatt> contention around cs_main for other things sucks, but doesnt matter too much to most users
2172015-12-15T22:31:59 <jamesob> ah, right. is there some existing pattern for saying "hey, this is a low-prio lock acquisition, allow interrupts"?
2182015-12-15T22:32:25 <BlueMatt> nope
2192015-12-15T22:32:33 <sipa> a large portion of the cs_main locking is actually due to ProcessMessage/SendMessage, which don't actually need cs_main (they could get their own locks that lock node-specific data)
2202015-12-15T22:32:35 <BlueMatt> (and dont go overengineering there, either, which would be easy to do)
2212015-12-15T22:32:45 <BlueMatt> ahhhhh, scope creep
2222015-12-15T22:32:49 <jamesob> heh
2232015-12-15T22:33:02 <BlueMatt> this one is wayyyy too easy to scope-creep on
2242015-12-15T22:33:17 <jamesob> don't worry, I'm just tryin' to hold onto my ass for now -- not going to go on any cosmic refactoring adventures ;)
2252015-12-15T22:33:32 <BlueMatt> adding a global boolean called fAboutToLockCSMainForBlockProcessing sucks, but.....more than that is gonna lead to bike shedding
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2272015-12-15T22:35:28 <jamesob> so, I forget: your suggestion was to set fAboutToLock...=true once you're going to rebuild the cache, and drop out of the process if some other thread has set that flag to false, i.e. signifying that there's some more important op that needs that lock?
2282015-12-15T22:36:40 <BlueMatt> no, set the flag to true in ProcessMessage or AcceptNewBlock or wherever cs_main is first locked for block acceptance (from RPC or net, you really need to check both)
2292015-12-15T22:36:52 <BlueMatt> then CNB will poll that flag a bunch while its running, and if it sees it, bail out
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2312015-12-15T22:37:08 <jamesob> gotcha
2322015-12-15T22:37:18 <BlueMatt> once you get cs_main for new block processing, you can then drop the flag and let the background CNB thread wait for its turn for cs_main
2332015-12-15T22:37:22 <sipa> note that such a flag technically would require its own lock :)
2342015-12-15T22:37:30 <BlueMatt> yup :(
2352015-12-15T22:37:44 <sipa> or an atomic bool (but c++11 isn't quite there yet...)
2362015-12-15T22:37:52 <BlueMatt> yea, this is muchhh nicer with atomics
2372015-12-15T22:37:59 <BlueMatt> since atomic bool is guaranteed to be lock-free
2382015-12-15T22:38:09 <sipa> is it?
2392015-12-15T22:38:11 <BlueMatt> fGonnaLockHereRealSoonNow = true; LOCK(cs_main); fGonnaLockHereRealSoonNow = false;
2402015-12-15T22:39:24 <BlueMatt> oops, no, sorry, atomic_flag is guaranteed, atomic_bool is not
2412015-12-15T22:39:31 <jamesob> cool. iii) how do we want to handle this periodic rebuild; is this going to hook into the CScheduler abstraction somehow, or would we dedicate a whole new thread for it (which I doubt)?
2422015-12-15T22:39:45 <sipa> use CScheduler
2432015-12-15T22:40:02 <jamesob> roger
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2472015-12-15T22:49:54 <jamesob> good seeing you last night as well, sipa. hope you got some sleep :)
2482015-12-15T22:50:39 <sipa> i did!
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