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102016-01-25T00:40:58 <GitHub103> [bitcoin] stale2000 opened pull request #7410: Keccak hf: Fix mining centralization (master...keccak_hf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7410
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1032016-01-25T10:01:23 <phantomcircuit> is anybody using the rest interface?
1042016-01-25T10:01:46 <phantomcircuit> it seems like a non-trivial amount of code to expose as an unauthenticated endpoint
1052016-01-25T10:03:40 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, ^
1062016-01-25T10:03:59 <jonasschnelli> phantomcircuit: mind the -rest arg
1072016-01-25T10:04:14 <phantomcircuit> ah it has to be explicitly enabled? how did i miss that...
1082016-01-25T10:04:22 <jonasschnelli> Yes...
1092016-01-25T10:04:29 <jonasschnelli> But agree.
1102016-01-25T10:04:45 <jonasschnelli> Rest could be useful for decoupling the wallet
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1162016-01-25T10:10:15 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: yes, it's an attack vector, thats why it's been off by default... also why we kept json out of it. (thank god..)
1172016-01-25T10:10:28 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: I've fuzz tested it some but still don't feel all that confident about it's security.
1182016-01-25T10:10:31 <jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: json is in there... :)
1192016-01-25T10:10:41 <gmaxwell> jonasschnelli: we kept json input out of it.
1202016-01-25T10:10:41 <jonasschnelli> Ah.. not as decoding. right.
1212016-01-25T10:10:55 <jonasschnelli> There is encoding.
1222016-01-25T10:11:07 <gmaxwell> which is why that bug in univalue wasn't a unauthenticated remotely exploitable bug.
1232016-01-25T10:11:51 <jonasschnelli> Yes... long term im worries about the amount of APIs in bitcoin-core: RPC/REST/ZMQ/notify-exe/p2p....
1242016-01-25T10:11:58 <jonasschnelli> *I'm worried
1252016-01-25T10:12:26 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, i strongly believe the zmq interface is unsafe
1262016-01-25T10:12:27 <gmaxwell> the ZMQ libraries themselves aren't secure in my past expirence.
1272016-01-25T10:12:30 <jonasschnelli> And I have plans to introduce another... :)
1282016-01-25T10:12:41 <jonasschnelli> well... not anthoer.
1292016-01-25T10:12:46 <gmaxwell> but hopefully no one is exposing ZMQ in untrusted ways.
1302016-01-25T10:12:59 <phantomcircuit> ... what port does it listen on by default?
1312016-01-25T10:13:10 <jonasschnelli> Writing a BIP about extending the p2p protocol for private/encrypted messages.
1322016-01-25T10:13:21 <jonasschnelli> Things like "estimatefee", etc.
1332016-01-25T10:13:33 <jonasschnelli> To couple a SPV wallet over p2p
1342016-01-25T10:14:35 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, keep in mind that BGP attacks are very real when proposing such a protocol
1352016-01-25T10:14:59 <jonasschnelli> phantomcircuit: I'm not familiar with BGP attacks,.. can you explain that a little bit?
1362016-01-25T10:16:08 <jonasschnelli> The idea I have is a "auth" p2p command,... that authenticates a nodes against a pubkey (nonce signing or similar), after the auth, do a ECDH and encrypt further communication (maybe only the additional/private commands).
1372016-01-25T10:16:10 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, essentially an attacker can claim to route a third parties traffic and perform a perfect mitm attack
1382016-01-25T10:16:31 <jonasschnelli> I think with preshared keys and ECDH we can avoid a mitm.
1392016-01-25T10:17:08 <jonasschnelli> The ECDH would only happen if the auth against a preshared pubkey on the node was successfull.
1402016-01-25T10:17:16 <phantomcircuit> unfortunately i think basically what we would want is tls... except tls is a nightmare
1412016-01-25T10:17:49 <jonasschnelli> I guess this would allow to expose things like "estimatefee" to a single node (SPV) without opening a new DOS vector.
1422016-01-25T10:17:59 <jonasschnelli> No tls please!
1432016-01-25T10:18:05 <jonasschnelli> It's already possible with tunneling.
1442016-01-25T10:18:15 <jonasschnelli> But user experience is bad
1452016-01-25T10:18:17 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, i dont see a good reason to do that though
1462016-01-25T10:18:44 <phantomcircuit> "please show me the top x MB of your mempool" is more generic and allows the client to come to it's own conclusions
1472016-01-25T10:19:34 <jonasschnelli> main advantages of encrypted and extendable p2p com: a) SPV privacy improvement against a trusted full node (mitm impossible) b) additional wallet services
1482016-01-25T10:19:57 <jonasschnelli> I guess: "please show me the top x MB of your mempool" is not pratical long term for SPV.
1492016-01-25T10:20:32 <jonasschnelli> And with encrypted and extendable p2p commands, we could also decouple the node control (UI). The UI could talk with the node over p2p 8333.
1502016-01-25T10:20:47 <jonasschnelli> (Which is somehow very difficult over RPC)
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1522016-01-25T10:27:08 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, the ui and wallet should both just be spv clients which trust the full node "server" completely
1532016-01-25T10:28:41 <jonasschnelli> phantomcircuit: but could the UI (if detached from the node) get peer informations, mempool insights, etc?
1542016-01-25T10:28:55 <jonasschnelli> phantomcircuit: how could the wallet get fee rates?
1552016-01-25T10:36:25 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, peer info no, mempool... yes if bandwidth between the two doesn't matter
1562016-01-25T10:36:32 <phantomcircuit> (and it doesn't because localhost)
1572016-01-25T10:36:35 <phantomcircuit> (or lan)
1582016-01-25T10:36:59 <jonasschnelli> What if you wan't to have a secure SPV wallet on your cellphone?
1592016-01-25T10:37:04 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, get the full data for the last n blocks and the top n mb of mempool and build the fee estimates db itself
1602016-01-25T10:38:01 <jonasschnelli> Not sure if you wan't to do fee ests. on a smartphone if you also run a full node at home.
1612016-01-25T10:39:07 <jonasschnelli> somehow I think the model could be: <run your bank at home: full node>, <run your wallet on your smartphone: only trust your full-node, maybe a full p2p backup in case your node is down>, <have a vault at home: hardware wallet>
1622016-01-25T10:39:38 <jonasschnelli> And I'm looking for a way to decouple the UI from the node.
1632016-01-25T10:39:55 <jonasschnelli> And i don't think RPC/JSON would be good.
1642016-01-25T10:40:40 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, unfortunately request/response protocols tend to be either unreliable or super complicated
1652016-01-25T10:42:03 <jonasschnelli> IMO the only reliable API that bitcoin provides is the p2p "api".
1662016-01-25T10:42:30 <jonasschnelli> And it's async. RPC would result in long-polls or pulling-intervals.
1672016-01-25T10:42:43 <jonasschnelli> And p2p is already DOS protected.
1682016-01-25T10:44:09 <GitHub91> [bitcoin] Speed2016X2 opened pull request #7413: BIP: Block size limit based on average size (Russian) (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7413
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1792016-01-25T13:03:46 <GitHub27> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7413: BIP: Block size limit based on average size (Russian) (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7413
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1882016-01-25T13:49:52 <GitHub140> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f281caac48b9...9f796f3d2b53
1892016-01-25T13:49:52 <GitHub140> bitcoin/master e99edc1 Andrew C: Add achow101's pgp key
1902016-01-25T13:49:52 <GitHub140> bitcoin/master 9f796f3 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7400: Add achow101's pgp key...
1912016-01-25T13:49:56 <GitHub27> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7400: Add achow101's pgp key (master...pgp-key) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7400
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1932016-01-25T13:58:40 <GitHub6> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9f796f3d2b53...0893705ebfa6
1942016-01-25T13:58:41 <GitHub6> bitcoin/master 17b5d38 Wladimir J. van der Laan: devtools: show pull and commit information in github-merge...
1952016-01-25T13:58:41 <GitHub6> bitcoin/master 0893705 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7395: devtools: show pull and commit information in github-merge...
1962016-01-25T13:58:45 <GitHub83> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7395: devtools: show pull and commit information in github-merge (master...2016_01_devtool_more_info) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7395
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2022016-01-25T14:42:39 <GitHub25> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0893705ebfa6...6a5932bf2a4a
2032016-01-25T14:42:40 <GitHub25> bitcoin/master 5ed2f16 Andrew C: [devtools] github-merge get toplevel dir without extra whitespace...
2042016-01-25T14:42:40 <GitHub25> bitcoin/master 6a5932b Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7402: [devtools] github-merge get toplevel dir without extra whitespace...
2052016-01-25T14:42:49 <GitHub75> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7402: [devtools] github-merge get toplevel dir without extra whitespace (master...dev-tool-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7402
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2112016-01-25T15:23:49 <GitHub26> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #7415: net: Hardcoded seeds update January 2016 (master...2016_01_hardcoded_seeds) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7415
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2132016-01-25T15:32:43 <GitHub89> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7410: Keccak hf: Fix mining centralization (master...keccak_hf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7410
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2272016-01-25T16:45:30 <GitHub107> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6a5932bf2a4a...473ad1bb0269
2282016-01-25T16:45:31 <GitHub107> bitcoin/master fae78fa MarcoFalke: [init] Clarify permitrbf help message
2292016-01-25T16:45:31 <GitHub107> bitcoin/master 473ad1b Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7391: [init] Clarify help message...
2302016-01-25T16:45:35 <GitHub186> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7391: [init] Clarify help message (master...Mf1601-init-rbf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7391
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2352016-01-25T17:17:14 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: is -permitrbf still named such in rc2? can I reasonably PR a rename to it?
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2372016-01-25T17:31:06 <GitHub51> [bitcoin] xor-freenet opened pull request #7416: doc: Explain effects of -prune=<n> parameter in release notes (0.12...0.12-pruning-release-notes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7416
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2412016-01-25T17:59:12 <Luke-Jr> this is nice https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42d2cd/was_bored_to_the_core_todayso_i_made_this_bitcoin/
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