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 732017-07-10T05:18:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift closed pull request #10776: Avoid unnecessary copying of non-cheaply-copied types (master...const-ref) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10776
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 772017-07-10T05:39:34  <gmaxwell> I wonder why non-conservative estimator on my node here says 11s/b for 6 blocks, my mempool suggests thats enough to get in the current block ... and 21inc says 80 for 6 blocks and 280 for now.
 782017-07-10T05:46:30  <aj> gmaxwell: some (1 in 6 by hashpower?) pools are mining empty blocks and ignoring transactions under 20s/b?
 792017-07-10T05:50:52  <gmaxwell> ah, that would be not very helpful for the estimators.
 802017-07-10T05:52:44  <gmaxwell> yea, bitcoin.com censored my transaction, indeed.
 812017-07-10T05:55:09  <gmaxwell> looks like thats actually costing them a lot of fees.
 822017-07-10T05:57:25  <gmaxwell> Kano's not a censor, hurray
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 852017-07-10T06:42:18  <rodarmor> How will a current bitcoin core node interpret a block with a transaction whose version is greater than CURRENT_VERSION? I can see in the code that it's used for relay policy, and for BIP68 enforcement, is that it?
 862017-07-10T06:48:56  <sipa> correct
 872017-07-10T06:52:38  <rodarmor> sipa: Sweet, thanks!
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1022017-07-10T08:05:00  <dcousens> BlueMatt: are you sure about the std::move breaking the CFeeBumper code?
1032017-07-10T08:05:16  <dcousens> IIRC std::move on a const& simply _doesn't_ move, unless it can guarantee safety
1042017-07-10T08:06:07  <sipa> it casts to a const&&
1052017-07-10T08:06:31  <sipa> std::move never moves; it just casts it to an rvalue
1062017-07-10T08:07:04  <sipa> which indicates to wherever it's passed that it does not maintain the state
1072017-07-10T08:07:26  <sipa> const&& almost always means it's not going to be touched
1082017-07-10T08:07:46  <dcousens> sipa: right, non-issue ?
1092017-07-10T08:08:18  <dcousens> (sipa: referencing https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10776/files#r126318388)
1102017-07-10T08:12:44  <dcousens> I don't see && constructor in the uint256, I think the PR could be re-opened
1112017-07-10T08:13:32  <dcousens> (aka, what happens appear to be at face value, nothing out there)
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1322017-07-10T11:04:24  <luke-jr> thoughts? http://codepad.org/F8Kata4K
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1462017-07-10T12:46:38  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ReneNyffenegger opened pull request #10782: Use AC_ARG_VAR to set ARFLAGS (master...ARFLAGS-AC_ARG_VAR) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10782
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1562017-07-10T13:34:06  <jnewbery> Can I get #10711 added to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 ? It's a test framework enhancement so not super urgent, but it moves quite a lot of code within test/functional/test_framework so I'd like to avoid too many rebases.
1572017-07-10T13:34:07  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10711 | [tests] Introduce TestNode by jnewbery · Pull Request #10711 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1592017-07-10T13:34:39  <jnewbery> It also reduces the time to run the functional test suite by about 25%, so it's quite a nice one to have.
1602017-07-10T13:43:57  <BlueMatt> dcouin that case it is practically not an issue, but it is also very unsafe code
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1642017-07-10T14:18:41  <promag> morcos: are you planning to work on #9447?
1652017-07-10T14:18:43  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9447 | Allow 2 simultaneous block downloads by morcos · Pull Request #9447 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1662017-07-10T14:19:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj reopened pull request #10753: test: Check RPC argument mapping (master...2017_07_rpc_argument_check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10753
1672017-07-10T14:26:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10745: Be consistent in using "opt_into_rbf" parameter for Opt-In RBF (master...opt_in_rbf-param) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10745
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1722017-07-10T14:31:18  <wumpus> jnewbery: sure
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1742017-07-10T14:33:06  <wumpus> jnewbery: done
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1762017-07-10T14:41:36  <BlueMatt> promag: I believe I told morcos I'd take that over
1772017-07-10T14:41:48  <BlueMatt> I havent done anythong on it except for rebase the first few commits, however
1782017-07-10T14:42:11  <BlueMatt> see #10652
1792017-07-10T14:42:13  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10652 | Small step towards demangling cs_main from CNodeState by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #10652 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1802017-07-10T14:42:18  <promag> In #0652?
1812017-07-10T14:42:21  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/0652 | Update contrib/debian/ for 0.5.0 release and fix copyright file. by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #652 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1822017-07-10T14:42:27  <promag> ops, yeah
1832017-07-10T14:43:28  <promag> BlueMatt: I have some nits for that PR, I can push to a branch and later you can rebase on that, wdyt?
1842017-07-10T14:45:17  <BlueMatt> hmm? no, I havent yet taken it any further than that pr
1852017-07-10T14:46:13  <BlueMatt> i plan to, but if you want to rewrite it, feel free
1862017-07-10T14:46:27  <promag> kk
1872017-07-10T14:51:59  <BlueMatt> promag: you almost certainly want to use 10652 as a base, fwiw, building on top of that should be easier, but its still a very thorny area
1882017-07-10T14:54:15  <promag> BlueMatt: should we close 9447?
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1902017-07-10T14:56:50  <BlueMatt> no rush, but probably
1912017-07-10T14:56:55  <BlueMatt> i mean open something to replace it first
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1932017-07-10T15:03:23  <morcos> promag: yeah, i'm fine if you or bluematt want to take it over, i just left it open b/c i feel we might still want it
1942017-07-10T15:06:49  <instagibbs> wumpus, how annoyed would you be if I opened a PR that future-proofed rpc calls against failure to check isNull if additional arguments are added(as well as fixing named arg calls in a couple places)
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1992017-07-10T15:36:57  <wumpus> instagibbs: a lot of cleanup in regard to named argument handling needs to be done, all over the place, biggest issue is that intermediate nulls are not handled as default value by most calls
2002017-07-10T15:37:45  <wumpus> instagibbs: in any case it seems too late for that for 0.15, but would be a nice goal for 0.16 to get that consistant
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2022017-07-10T15:51:15  <instagibbs> With only a few dozen easy to review line changes I think we can catch most of it for 0.15.
2032017-07-10T15:51:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1d4805ce0464...9edda0c5f5f2
2042017-07-10T15:51:55  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 58e9864 John Newbery: [rpc] fix verbose argument for getblock in bitcoin-cli
2052017-07-10T15:51:56  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9edda0c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #10747: [rpc] fix verbose argument for getblock in bitcoin-cli...
2062017-07-10T15:52:25  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10747: [rpc] fix verbose argument for getblock in bitcoin-cli (master...fix_getblock_verbose_argument) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10747
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2102017-07-10T16:00:42  <wumpus> instagibbs: we already have so much to review before 0.15
2112017-07-10T16:01:13  <instagibbs> I won't twist anyone's arm, and is easy to keep rebased, no worries
2122017-07-10T16:02:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #10783: [RPC] Various rpc argument fixes (master...rpcargfixes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10783
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2142017-07-10T16:04:47  <rhavar> murch: I was direct to ask you, is there a coin selection simulator I can use?
2152017-07-10T16:05:02  <Murch> Hi Ryan
2162017-07-10T16:05:19  <rhavar> I have an algorithm written in minizinc which I'd like to compare against the other stuff
2172017-07-10T16:05:20  <Murch> I have a Scala simulator on Github which I used for my Master's thesis
2182017-07-10T16:05:28  <rhavar> got a link?
2192017-07-10T16:05:40  <rhavar> or is it private?
2202017-07-10T16:05:41  <Murch> https://github.com/Xekyo/CoinSelectionSimulator
2212017-07-10T16:06:40  <Murch> rhavar: Professional curiosity, what is the main idea of your selection strategy?
2222017-07-10T16:07:29  <Murch> Also, if your spending patterns are still similar to moneypot, the scenario in the Simulator will simulate for your usecase. ;)
2232017-07-10T16:07:49  <rhavar> Murch: https://gist.github.com/RHavar/0710144c713033d42f8f443a99fefbb7
2242017-07-10T16:07:52  <rhavar> That's it in English
2252017-07-10T16:08:05  <rhavar> I have the minizinc version if you're interested and keep it private :P
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2282017-07-10T16:09:37  <rhavar> murch: btw the dataset you're using is actually from bustabit not moneypot
2292017-07-10T16:09:51  <rhavar> The project used to be called moneypot, but was renamed to bustabit
2302017-07-10T16:09:58  <Murch> oh okay
2312017-07-10T16:10:06  <rhavar> Then I created a totally unrelated project, and called it moneypot rofl
2322017-07-10T16:10:09  <rhavar> (and then sold it)
2332017-07-10T16:10:23  <rhavar> If you want, i can give you a lot more data for your dataset
2342017-07-10T16:11:32  <Murch> rhavar: I would be very interested in that.
2352017-07-10T16:12:05  <Murch> Especially amounts + fee levels would be exciting, as I could then start researching the effect of dynamic fee levels.
2362017-07-10T16:12:30  <Murch> (fee levels for the outgoing transactions)
2372017-07-10T16:13:23  <Murch> rhavar: So, I read your description, it seems to me that you only define the fitness function and then have some sort of optimizer solve it for you?
2382017-07-10T16:13:30  <Murch> That's an interesting approach. :)
2392017-07-10T16:13:34  <rhavar> Murch: correct yeah
2402017-07-10T16:15:11  <Murch> Where does the "*10000" come from?
2412017-07-10T16:15:42  <Murch> Is that a fee rate of 10k satoshi/Byte?
2422017-07-10T16:16:48  <rhavar> No, that's just to break ties
2432017-07-10T16:16:56  <rhavar> Its just a useless number
2442017-07-10T16:16:56  <Murch> oh, I see
2452017-07-10T16:17:06  <rhavar> It's so that things with more "optional outputs" are picked
2462017-07-10T16:17:12  <rhavar> (if the fitness is the same)
2472017-07-10T16:17:38  <Murch> Did you see achow101's push to get my Branch and Bound algorithm into Core?
2482017-07-10T16:18:01  <rhavar> I heard of it, but I haven't looked at the code
2492017-07-10T16:18:02  <Murch> Ah, thanks, I just realized that you don't work with a fixed set of outputs but optional number of outputs
2502017-07-10T16:18:15  <rhavar> Murch: well that's for the future
2512017-07-10T16:18:20  <rhavar> At the moment, i do
2522017-07-10T16:18:41  <rhavar> But i'm using this strategy for queued withdrawals (in next release) i think it'll give a lot better results
2532017-07-10T16:18:44  <rhavar> https://github.com/Xekyo/CoinSelectionSimulator/pull/6/files
2542017-07-10T16:19:22  <rhavar> I don't have the feerates, or an easy way to query it. But I can give you the txid's if you sanitize the data before publishing
2552017-07-10T16:19:49  <Murch> rhavar: wow, awesome :DDD
2562017-07-10T16:20:34  <Murch> I'm interested, and can do that, but I have a meeting in 40 min, can I get back to you later? :)
2572017-07-10T16:20:39  <rhavar> sure
2582017-07-10T16:23:24  <rhavar> Murch: If you can, can you update your README.md with installation / run instructions?
2592017-07-10T16:23:39  <rhavar> I'll add my minizinc one if you make it easy enough for me :P
2602017-07-10T16:25:02  <Murch> Okay, will do.
2612017-07-10T16:26:56  <Murch> Cliffnotes for the moment, you need to setup Scala, compile the Scala code and then run 'coinselection.Simulation'
2622017-07-10T16:28:09  <Chris_Stewart_5> Murch: Do you use sbt?
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2642017-07-10T16:29:51  <Murch> Chris_Stewart_5: I cleaned up the repo at some point to use the sbt standard structure
2652017-07-10T16:30:07  <Murch> I'm not sure if I ever tried it out
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2672017-07-10T16:31:56  <sipa> cliffnotes?
2682017-07-10T16:32:40  <Chris_Stewart_5> rhavar: You should be able to download sbt (scala build tool) from this link and then run 'sbt test' in the root directory for Murch's project
2692017-07-10T16:32:43  <Chris_Stewart_5> http://www.scala-sbt.org/download.html
2702017-07-10T16:33:05  <Murch> sipa: A short summary of a book
2712017-07-10T16:33:40  <BlueMatt> (used by american students to cheat by allowing them to "read the cliffnotes" instead of the book)
2722017-07-10T16:33:50  <rhavar> (In English class they make you read books and then write about it. But only suckers actually read the book, everyone else reads the cliffnotes)
2732017-07-10T16:33:53  <Chris_Stewart_5> I just tried it and it works (well one test fails for me) but whatever
2742017-07-10T16:34:26  <Murch> Mh, I'll have to look into it, thanks Chris
2752017-07-10T16:34:35  <sipa> Murch: ok, what does it mean in this context?
2762017-07-10T16:34:40  <rhavar> "summary"
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2782017-07-10T16:35:03  <sipa> i'm still confused
2792017-07-10T16:35:11  <Murch> rhavar wanted to know how to run my project, and I was giving a summary, because I don't have time right now to write a set of instructions in full
2802017-07-10T16:35:19  <rhavar> sipa: It's just a way of saying: "The short version is..."
2812017-07-10T16:35:22  <Murch> rhavar wanted to use my coinselectionsimulator
2822017-07-10T16:35:29  <sipa> ah, ok
2832017-07-10T16:37:18  * BlueMatt wants a fourth exlanation of "cliffnotes" both in general and in context. clearly we dont have enough yet :p
2842017-07-10T16:38:27  <sipa> i missed that it was the answer to a question
2852017-07-10T16:39:08  <Chris_Stewart_5> the fourth explanation is where you sick of studying a particular class's notes, so you find the nearest cliff and toss them off of it :P
2862017-07-10T16:39:29  <BlueMatt> +1
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2892017-07-10T17:16:18  <midnightmagic> Origin is an actual series of book summaries *called* cliffnotes, as an academia short-circuit-to-study, and that company was named after an actual guy named cliff who started it.
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2912017-07-10T17:28:56  <Murch> oh, @rhavar and anyone else running Coin Selection Simulations. You will probably not want to run with all strategies at the same time as especially the Bitcoin Core based selection takes quite a lot of computation time.
2922017-07-10T17:29:15  <Murch> If you run all strategies at the same time, my home desktop would take about four days.
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2972017-07-10T17:42:22  <Murch> rhavar: Regarding the full set of the transactions. Thank you for the offer. I'm thinking that I might get back later to you regarding that set, as I'd first have to change my simulator to work with changing fee levels for the first place. For the moment having a much bigger set to play with is already pretty awesome.
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3012017-07-10T18:26:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #10784: Do not allow users to get keys from keypool without reserving them (master...2017-07-keep-change) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10784
3022017-07-10T18:29:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #10785: Serialization improvements (master...20170707_noncastserial) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10785
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3062017-07-10T19:02:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theuni closed pull request #10782: Use AC_ARG_VAR to set ARFLAGS (master...ARFLAGS-AC_ARG_VAR) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10782
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3092017-07-10T19:49:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #10786: Add PR description to merge commit in github-merge.py (master...20170710_prbody) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10786
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