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1192017-10-20T11:13:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipsorcery closed pull request #11528: Minimal code changes to allow msvc compilation (master...code_msvc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11528
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1482017-10-20T12:10:52  <wallet42> @sipa: can we imagine a -utxomove option where coins get renamed to s[txid][nout] instead of deleting them from chainstate? Ideally also append the spend block height to the value. It would allow a lot of my analysis to not require a second database.
1492017-10-20T12:11:39  <wallet42> or maybe call it -stxodb=1
1502017-10-20T12:13:05  <sdaftuar> wallet42: that sounds interesting, but would be terrible for performance -- it would prevent an optimization we currently do where coins that are created in our memory cache, which are fully spent, never need a disk access
1512017-10-20T12:13:16  <sdaftuar> wallet42: so i wouldn't expect that to be something we implement in the repo
1522017-10-20T12:13:54  <wallet42> interesting..
1532017-10-20T12:14:49  <wallet42> we'll it's obviously not for general consuption
1542017-10-20T12:15:31  <wallet42> also maybe having another leveldb where these spend coins are stored instead of bloating the chainstate db
1552017-10-20T12:18:49  <wallet42> sdaftuar: what's you estimate for manhours for someone who is familiar with the code for such a change?
1562017-10-20T12:23:59  <sdaftuar> wallet42: no idea, sorry
1572017-10-20T12:25:56  <wumpus> i wouldn't expect that to be upstreamed, but yeah you can do the patch for yourself, for better or worse lots of analysis is easiest to do by changing the node code
1582017-10-20T12:25:56  <sipa> wallet42: i'd rather spend time on creating a project that implements tgat as a separate process than trying to hack it into bitcoind
1592017-10-20T12:27:29  <wallet42> so how to approach this, zmq block only works after IBD
1602017-10-20T12:27:47  <wallet42> i would love to not have to much duplicate data
1612017-10-20T12:28:36  <wumpus> it's a one line change to make zmq notifications work before IBD
1622017-10-20T12:29:11  <wumpus> certainly faster than hacking how the database works...
1632017-10-20T12:29:35  <sipa> wallet42: i'd make a python project that uses basic p2p implementation
1642017-10-20T12:30:16  <wallet42> will bitcoind then wait with processing the blocks and publishing to zmq when a buffer is full?
1652017-10-20T12:30:55  <wallet42> so get multiple blocks in binary via INV from a local node
1662017-10-20T12:31:10  <sipa> if your bitcoind is pruned, there is no duplication
1672017-10-20T12:31:56  <sipa> with manual pruning you can inform bitcoind when you're ready processing a block
1682017-10-20T12:32:43  <wumpus> no, bitcoind will never block on zmq notifications
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1702017-10-20T12:33:13  <wumpus> adding that wouldn't be too difficult either if zmq supports it
1712017-10-20T12:33:15  <wallet42> wumpus: python will much slower to process blocks than bitcoind
1722017-10-20T12:33:40  <wumpus> pypy is nice
1732017-10-20T12:34:08  <wallet42> sipa: what about an rpc that i can use to query the blockindex and then access the *.blk files ondisk?
1742017-10-20T12:34:39  <wumpus> and python is much more flexible as to formulating queries and analysis etc then hardcoding things into c++
1752017-10-20T12:34:48  <wallet42> wumpus: love pypy, unfortunatly wasn't able to compile leveldb bindings for pypy3.6
1762017-10-20T12:35:14  <wumpus> then don't use leveldb
1772017-10-20T12:35:54  <wumpus> wallet42: you can look at contrib/linearize, it pretty much does that, though not through an RPC
1782017-10-20T12:36:12  <wumpus> it builds its own mapping from block hash to location on disk
1792017-10-20T12:37:00  <wumpus> it only uses rpc to get the list of block hashes that is the current chain
1802017-10-20T12:37:04  <sipa> wallet42: you can use the rest interface to request blocks in binary
1812017-10-20T12:37:09  <sipa> probably faster than rpc
1822017-10-20T12:37:17  <sipa> p2p protocol is probably even faster
1832017-10-20T12:38:21  <wumpus> that, too, though there's still a deserialize/serialize involved in that case, in principle rest could send the data directly from disk but it doesn't
1842017-10-20T12:38:56  <wallet42> sendfile linux?
1852017-10-20T12:39:25  <wumpus> maybe
1862017-10-20T12:39:51  <wallet42> okay thanks for the pointers!
1872017-10-20T12:40:23  <wumpus> in any case, usually optimization work is wasted if all you do is a one-time analysis
1882017-10-20T12:40:30  <wumpus> just use a big machine
1892017-10-20T12:41:06  <wumpus> hw is cheap custom software is not
1902017-10-20T12:42:05  <wallet42> i want to build a in-memory blockchain database. instead of 1 big machine, have multiple machines indexed different parts of the chain
1912017-10-20T12:42:15  <wallet42> clusterdb
1922017-10-20T12:44:40  <wallet42> then have a map/reduce approach to queries
1932017-10-20T12:45:54  <wumpus> it's a pity bitcoin's block chain is so easy to analyse isn't it
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2042017-10-20T13:37:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] zastil opened pull request #11532: 0.15 (master...0.15) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11532
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2062017-10-20T13:37:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #11532: 0.15 (master...0.15) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11532
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2122017-10-20T14:07:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Thoragh opened pull request #11533: Docs: Update WSL installation for Fall Creators update (master...Update-WSL-installation-for-Fall-Creators-update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11533
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2142017-10-20T14:21:51  <sdaftuar> ;;tblb 3600
2152017-10-20T14:21:52  <gribble> The expected time between blocks taking 1 hour and 0 seconds to generate is 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds
2162017-10-20T14:22:16  <sdaftuar> ;;tblb 7200
2172017-10-20T14:22:17  <gribble> The expected time between blocks taking 2 hours and 0 seconds to generate is 51 years, 15 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 13 minutes, and 38 seconds
2182017-10-20T14:32:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #11534: Evict outbound peers if tip is stale (master...2017-10-stale-tip-eviction) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11534
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2402017-10-20T15:33:00  <PatBoy> thx to all your great work guys ! (sry for writing spam here)
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2582017-10-20T16:23:11  <wumpus> *cries* more travis failures on master
2592017-10-20T16:23:15  <wumpus> "Please upgrade to at least gpg 2.1.10 to check for weak signatures"
2602017-10-20T16:23:28  <wumpus> https://travis-ci.org/bitcoin/bitcoin/jobs/290513926
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2702017-10-20T16:44:20  <cfields> wtf, that was working yesterday
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2732017-10-20T16:53:57  <wumpus> it was!
2742017-10-20T16:54:02  <wumpus> we did nothing wrong
2752017-10-20T16:57:36  <wumpus> they should stop messing with their infrastructure, it's getting annoyging
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2772017-10-20T17:04:22  <cfields> wumpus: ah, that doesn't happen on PRs, only pushes
2782017-10-20T17:04:51  <cfields> I assume the switch to minimal did this. They must've had a gpg ppa in the bigger image
2792017-10-20T17:09:07  <cfields> trying to find a fix
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2822017-10-20T17:18:00  <ArgenTo> hi
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2852017-10-20T17:23:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #11535: test: Avoid unintentional unsigned integer wraparounds (master...unsigned-integer-wraparounds) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11535
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2962017-10-20T18:09:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #11536: Rename account to label where appropriate (master...pr/acct) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11536
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3012017-10-20T18:19:35  <achow101> we should stop using travis *ducks*
3022017-10-20T18:21:14  <karelb> Travis is getting very unreliable recently
3032017-10-20T18:21:25  <karelb> But you get what you pay for :)
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3052017-10-20T18:24:04  <wumpus> we'd pay for better travis support if it was possible!
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3072017-10-20T18:26:23  <wumpus> however there's no paid option for open source projects
3082017-10-20T18:27:52  <karelb> Oh :(
3092017-10-20T18:28:01  <karelb> That's unfortunate
3102017-10-20T18:29:00  <cfields> wumpus: i have a ticket open atm about my suspended account (suspected of mining, i assume). I'll ask again when I hear back.
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3132017-10-20T18:33:00  <wumpus> cfields: thanks, hopefully they'll resolve that any time soon. mining. lol
3142017-10-20T18:33:40  <cfields> wumpus: i assume the recent monero js mining stuff has made things difficult for them :(
3152017-10-20T18:36:37  <achow101> what does "language: minimal" mean? I can't seem to find docs about it
3162017-10-20T18:37:01  <cfields> achow101: it just selects their most minimal base image
3172017-10-20T18:37:16  <achow101> oh
3182017-10-20T18:37:25  <cfields> i can't find wtf a usable gnupg2 is installed on the big generic image, though :\
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3212017-10-20T18:50:19  <wumpus> it makes no sense
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3232017-10-20T18:58:58  <arubi> last time I tried tracking these things, I ended up in https://quay.io/organization/travisci .  most updated seems to be te-main, you can follow tag -> sha of specific commit -> packages to see versions and stuff.  eventually I ended up using their docker infrastructure to just run vanilla docker images
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3272017-10-20T19:27:25  <cfields> wumpus: wait, i can actually reproduce the error locally
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3362017-10-20T20:03:32  <cfields> ah, jeez
3372017-10-20T20:03:39  <cfields> so many red herrings
3382017-10-20T20:04:20  <cfields> one of sipa's old keys expired last night
3392017-10-20T20:04:34  <cfields> and verify-commit doesn't play nice with that
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3422017-10-20T20:05:28  <BlueMatt> argh
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3442017-10-20T20:06:47  <cfields> BlueMatt: for travis, i think we can just verify the commit range rather than the whole branch?
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3472017-10-20T20:07:19  <cfields> that would solve this issue at least
3482017-10-20T20:07:32  <BlueMatt> no
3492017-10-20T20:07:42  <BlueMatt> if verify-commits is broken, master needs to be force-pushed
3502017-10-20T20:07:47  <cfields> oh wait nm, these aren't PRs
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3522017-10-20T20:07:52  <BlueMatt> thats kinda the whole point
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3542017-10-20T20:08:15  <BlueMatt> if a key is expired, however, you can just un-expire the key
3552017-10-20T20:08:20  <BlueMatt> and then verify-commits will magically work again
3562017-10-20T20:11:59  <BlueMatt> ohoh, its a super old commit
3572017-10-20T20:12:01  <BlueMatt> lemme look
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3602017-10-20T20:13:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #11538: qa: Fix replace-by-fee race condition failures (master...2017-10-fix-rbf-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11538
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3722017-10-20T20:36:02  <BlueMatt> cfields: v
3732017-10-20T20:36:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #11539: [verify-commits] Allow revoked keys to expire (master...2017-10-verify-regsig-expsig) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11539
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3752017-10-20T20:51:17  <cfields> BlueMatt: i'm confused. I get different strings out of gpg
3762017-10-20T20:51:40  <cfields> (looking at git verify-commit --raw <sha>)
3772017-10-20T20:52:01  <cfields> i see KEYREVOKED/KEYEXPIRED/SIGEXPIRED
3782017-10-20T20:52:48  <cfields> oh wait, REVKEYSIG/EXPKEYSIG take the place of VALIDSIG
3792017-10-20T20:53:04  <BlueMatt> no they dont?
3802017-10-20T20:54:00  <cfields> ok then confused. Could you paste your output of verify-commit --raw ?
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3822017-10-20T20:54:29  <BlueMatt> cfields: you should get a VALIDSIG line AND a REGKEYSIG/EXPKEYSIG line, you will however, not get a GOODSIG line (which is what git wants to see)
3832017-10-20T20:55:50  <cfields> ok, gotcha
3842017-10-20T20:56:31  <BlueMatt> are you getting confused between the --weak-digest sha1 pass and the one missing it?
3852017-10-20T20:57:07  <cfields> no, i'm good. I was thinking different gpg versions might use different terms.
3862017-10-20T20:57:40  <cfields> i was just missing the EXPKEYSIG output, only saw "KEYEXPIRED"
3872017-10-20T20:58:43  <BlueMatt> ah, k
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