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22017-11-11T00:12:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/61fb80660f73...033c78671b91
32017-11-11T00:12:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bd9c181 John Newbery: [rpc] Add initialblockdownload to getblockchaininfo
42017-11-11T00:12:53 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1141364 John Newbery: [trivial] (whitespace only) fix getblockchaininfo alignment
52017-11-11T00:12:53 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 033c786 Pieter Wuille: Merge #11258: [rpc] Add initialblockdownload to getblockchaininfo...
62017-11-11T00:13:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #11258: [rpc] Add initialblockdownload to getblockchaininfo (master...expose_ibd) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11258
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212017-11-11T01:21:43 <ZSky> Hi
222017-11-11T01:22:40 <ZSky> When a block is added, is it written/serialized on disk immediately?
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242017-11-11T01:23:04 <ZSky> If so, using what kind of storing? DB-like? flat files?
252017-11-11T01:23:37 <sipa> flat files
262017-11-11T01:24:05 <sipa> after processing (which may happen at the same time as it's received, or later), its effects are applied to the UTXO set
272017-11-11T01:24:11 <ZSky> sipa: immediately after a block is added, or does it stay in RAM for a while before flushing to disk?
282017-11-11T01:24:30 <sipa> it's written immediately if it's acceptable
292017-11-11T01:25:02 <sipa> though we reuse the in-memory version IF processing happens at the same time
302017-11-11T01:25:18 <ZSky> sipa: what kind of flat file structure? just "fopen append" to a single file?
312017-11-11T01:25:59 <sipa> we keep track of how many bytes are already used in each file in a database
322017-11-11T01:26:08 <sipa> and then just write the exact range
332017-11-11T01:26:16 <ZSky> you mean the offset?
342017-11-11T01:26:18 <sipa> yes
352017-11-11T01:26:33 <ZSky> so the raw data is in one single big file (100+GB)
362017-11-11T01:26:40 <sipa> no, it's in many files
372017-11-11T01:26:41 <ZSky> and there's a db for offsets
382017-11-11T01:26:48 <sipa> blk?????.dat
392017-11-11T01:26:54 <sipa> 128 MiB each
402017-11-11T01:27:24 <sipa> and indeed, there is a LevelDB database with metadata about each block (which includes the file and offset)
412017-11-11T01:27:56 <ZSky> each time a 128 MiB is full, a new one is created, and the DB stores [block13672: { filenumber = 27, offsetinfile = 283792 }, ...]
422017-11-11T01:28:02 <sipa> exactly
432017-11-11T01:28:08 <ZSky> oh that's nice
442017-11-11T01:28:42 <ZSky> wow leveldb seems nice
452017-11-11T01:29:01 <ZSky> it's been a long time I was looking for a serialized key-value storage
462017-11-11T01:29:04 <ZSky> usable in production
472017-11-11T01:29:20 <sipa> it's not perfect
482017-11-11T01:29:29 <sipa> but better than anything else we've tried
492017-11-11T01:30:02 <ZSky> so you're using this currently: https://github.com/google/leveldb
502017-11-11T01:30:23 <sipa> we have our own fork with minor changes: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/leveldb
512017-11-11T01:30:31 <sipa> in particular, MinGW windows support
522017-11-11T01:32:47 <ZSky> sipa: dumb question: why not using leveldb this way: block13672: [BLOCKRAWDATA]
532017-11-11T01:33:02 <ZSky> and totally rely on leveldb's data management?
542017-11-11T01:33:16 <sipa> because we don't need leveldb's data management
552017-11-11T01:33:42 <ZSky> you use it for metadata
562017-11-11T01:33:51 <ZSky> so you kind of need a small key:value db
572017-11-11T01:33:52 <sipa> yes, which is a tiny amount of data
582017-11-11T01:33:55 <ZSky> true
592017-11-11T01:34:14 <ZSky> so the idea is: you keep a key:value store for the smallest amount of data possible
602017-11-11T01:34:14 <sipa> but for blocks themselves, we don't need consistency, or the ability to selectively update and delete, or ...
612017-11-11T01:34:23 <ZSky> true
622017-11-11T01:34:37 <sipa> it's just a stream of data that comes in, and we can drop it in effectively append only files on disk
632017-11-11T01:34:58 <sipa> in fact, we hardly use the block data after it's been processed
642017-11-11T01:35:09 <sipa> it's just for when another peer in the network asks for it
652017-11-11T01:35:24 <sipa> or to rescan for old wallet activity
662017-11-11T01:36:01 <ZSky> yes i see
672017-11-11T01:36:13 <ZSky> historically, in the earliest implementations, what was used before leveldb?
682017-11-11T01:36:34 <sipa> BDB
692017-11-11T01:36:43 <sipa> changed in 0.8
702017-11-11T01:36:51 <sipa> and the wallet still uses BDB
712017-11-11T01:37:42 <ZSky> why no BDB anymore?
722017-11-11T01:38:14 <sipa> many many reports of corruption
732017-11-11T01:38:45 <sipa> incompatibilities between versions (you can't downgrade, and in some cases you can't even upgrade)
742017-11-11T01:39:27 <sipa> and the fact that BDB was indirectly the cause for one of the largest operational problems the system has seen in years (read BIP50)
752017-11-11T01:39:58 <ZSky> oh really?
762017-11-11T01:40:00 <sipa> which was related due to it know how many locks the database will require during its operation
772017-11-11T01:40:02 <ZSky> tl;dr what was it?
782017-11-11T01:40:12 <sipa> while we don't need any locks at all
792017-11-11T01:40:51 <sipa> you need to configure BDB with "i need up to X locks", and if any atomic database operation touches more internal records than you have configured locks, the operations fails
802017-11-11T01:41:36 <sipa> this is because BDB is a multi-application database system (multiple processes can simultaneously open and modify the database, and there is consistency across them), which is something we don't care about at all
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872017-11-11T01:55:21 <ZSky> sipa: what was used in 0.1.0?
882017-11-11T01:55:45 <sipa> BDB
892017-11-11T01:56:04 <ZSky> ok right
902017-11-11T01:56:18 <ZSky> sipa: do you do python sometimes?
912017-11-11T01:56:23 <sipa> hardly
922017-11-11T01:57:01 <ZSky> i was looking for such a keystore in py
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962017-11-11T02:02:56 <ZSky> sipa: thanks for these informations!
972017-11-11T02:04:02 <sipa> yw
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1112017-11-11T03:53:24 <cluelessperson> aj: thank you for your help
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1172017-11-11T05:49:11 <cluelessperson> How can I help you all?
1182017-11-11T05:49:18 <cluelessperson> I can do some devops
1192017-11-11T05:49:20 <cluelessperson> put me to use
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1242017-11-11T06:17:06 <meshcollider> devops...199
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1322017-11-11T07:28:34 <mryandao> meshcollider: lol, funny
1332017-11-11T08:03:09 <meshcollider> CScripts in the wallet don't have birth-times associated with them do they
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1372017-11-11T09:08:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #11658: During IBD, when doing pruning, prune 10% extra to avoid pruning again soon after (master...ibd_prune_extra) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11658
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1502017-11-11T11:25:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #11660: RPC: Internal named params (master...internal_named_params) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11660
1512017-11-11T11:27:45 <luke-jr> ^ hope that satisfies concerns with #11441
1522017-11-11T11:27:47 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11441 | rpc/server: Support for specifying options as named parameters by luke-jr · Pull Request #11441 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1602017-11-11T12:12:35 <meshcollider> MarcoFalke: I've seen a few PRs being closed recently as 'up for grabs', can we have a label for it to keep track of them?
1612017-11-11T12:14:13 <meshcollider> Maybe called "Abandoned" or something
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1722017-11-11T13:41:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/6de3203cdce2d8532f39f9f9428c33b0dd53f623
1732017-11-11T13:41:42 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6de3203 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Add historical release notes for 0.15.1...
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1762017-11-11T13:43:18 <F0lks> Hi, is there some devs' available for a little talk ? It won't be long I promise
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1842017-11-11T14:27:26 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #11662: [0.15] Sanity-check script sizes in bitcoin-tx (0.15...bitcoin-tx-script-sizes-0.14) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11662
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1882017-11-11T14:57:47 <wumpus> release date 2017-11-11
1892017-11-11T14:57:48 <wumpus> nice
1902017-11-11T14:59:52 <wxss> \o/
1912017-11-11T15:02:10 <paveljanik> remaining days to Xmas: *42*.
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1932017-11-11T15:11:33 <LumberCartel> paveljanik++
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1962017-11-11T15:16:58 <wumpus> :D
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2002017-11-11T16:15:03 <MarcoFalke> meshcollider: Sure will do that
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2022017-11-11T16:23:54 <LowKey> hi, anyone know how to build mac wallet for bitcoin?
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2042017-11-11T16:27:36 <mlz> LowKey, ask in #bitcoin channel
2052017-11-11T16:27:53 <LowKey> ok
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2162017-11-11T17:39:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6de3203cdce2...95e14dc81dd3
2172017-11-11T17:39:57 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ea0cd24 John Newbery: [tests] Tidy up receivedby.py...
2182017-11-11T17:39:58 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5e0ba8f John Newbery: [wallet] getreceivedbyaddress should return error if address is not mine
2192017-11-11T17:39:58 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 95e14dc MarcoFalke: Merge #11055: [wallet] [rpc] getreceivedbyaddress should return error if called with address not owned by the wallet...
2202017-11-11T17:40:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #11055: [wallet] [rpc] getreceivedbyaddress should return error if called with address not owned by the wallet (master...getreceivedbyaddress_error) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11055
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2222017-11-11T18:02:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #11663: [trivial] doc: Add getreceivedbyaddress release notes (master...Mf1711-docReleaseNotes16) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11663
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2242017-11-11T18:12:25 <sipa> MarcoFalke: your PGP signatures scare me!
2252017-11-11T18:12:34 <MarcoFalke> why is that?
2262017-11-11T18:12:54 <sipa> any time i receive a bitcoin related email with PGP headers i assume there is some terrible vulnerability :)
2272017-11-11T18:15:26 <MarcoFalke> heh. Makes sense now that you say it. I will try to figure out something else.
2282017-11-11T18:20:02 <sipa> oh please no, it was not a complaint :)
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2322017-11-11T18:33:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/95e14dc81dd3...13e352dc53de
2332017-11-11T18:33:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 927f4ff Luke Dashjr: GUI: Receive: Remove option to reuse a previous address...
2342017-11-11T18:33:51 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 13e352d MarcoFalke: Merge #3716: GUI: Receive: Remove option to reuse a previous address...
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2522017-11-11T19:33:19 <luke-jr> jnewbery: promag: am I missing something? :/ http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/Screenshot_20171111_192644.png
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2592017-11-11T20:27:06 <promag> luke-jr: what you mean? the test verifies that initialblockdownload is a key of getblockchaininfo response
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2622017-11-11T20:29:12 <promag> https://github.com/jnewbery/bitcoin/blob/11413646be2a6d0bf1c857753bfcec0af60c72b8/test/functional/blockchain.py#L54-L73
2632017-11-11T20:29:53 <promag> or am I wrong?
2642017-11-11T20:30:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] benma closed pull request #9897: AppInitMain: split initialization of Connman into a new function (master...connman) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9897
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2712017-11-11T21:03:00 <luke-jr> promag: for some reason, GitHub isn't showing me that part :|
2722017-11-11T21:04:42 <luke-jr> oh well
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2752017-11-11T21:17:25 <jtimon> jl2012: not sure if you still want to do #11398 on top of #11426 since some people don't seem to agree it makes things easier, but rebased
2762017-11-11T21:17:27 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11398 | Hardcode CSV and SEGWIT deployment by jl2012 · Pull Request #11398 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2772017-11-11T21:17:28 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11426 | BIP90: Make buried deployments slightly more easily extensible by jtimon · Pull Request #11426 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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2942017-11-11T23:11:20 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/13e352dc53de...2adbddb03840
2952017-11-11T23:11:20 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1e65f0f practicalswift: Use compile-time constants instead of unnamed enumerations (remove "enum hack")
2962017-11-11T23:11:20 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2adbddb MarcoFalke: Merge #10749: Use compile-time constants instead of unnamed enumerations (remove "enum hack")...
2972017-11-11T23:11:39 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #10749: Use compile-time constants instead of unnamed enumerations (remove "enum hack") (master...enum-hack) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10749
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