12017-11-12T00:02:48  <aj> MarcoFalke: wow, pgp signed github acks? intense
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 552017-11-12T04:45:17  <tyrick> Is this where I come to bug people about core code?
 562017-11-12T04:47:08  <mlz> tyrick, you can ask in #bitcoin channel
 572017-11-12T04:47:27  <LumberCartel> tyrick:  This is where core developers are collaborating.  I suggest not trying to "bug" anyone here.  You might try asking about your issue in the #bitcoin channel first.
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 822017-11-12T06:07:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MeshCollider opened pull request #11667: Add scripts to dumpwallet RPC (master...201710_dumpwallet_scripts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11667
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1112017-11-12T08:47:24  <ossifrage> I tried to rbf a transaction with 2 outputs, one in my wallet and one external, but it didn't mark the one from my wallet as a change address. Is this a bug?
1122017-11-12T08:47:54  <ossifrage> [I didn't use the change address field, just manually added it as an output]
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1152017-11-12T09:06:30  <BGL> why can't bitcoin core start where it left off on re-indexing blocks, i seriously just had to restart twice in the last day and i'm back to zero again
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1172017-11-12T09:06:49  <BGL> probly not even going to finish by tomorrow
1182017-11-12T09:07:00  <BGL> not even sure why i bothered manually transferring the block files
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1202017-11-12T09:08:47  <gmaxwell> BGL: it does continue where it left off, though if you've set your dbcache large then most of its work won't have been written to disk yet.
1212017-11-12T09:09:53  <BGL> it's default
1222017-11-12T09:10:36  <BGL> 450mb, and now i'm 7 years behind again
1232017-11-12T09:11:01  <BGL> for the 3rd time
1242017-11-12T09:11:22  <BGL> this is on a brand new ssd so .. i don't get that either
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1322017-11-12T09:58:35  <luke-jr> BGL: why did you have to restart? ie, how did your computer stop doing it?
1332017-11-12T09:58:48  <luke-jr> might be best to take this to #bitcoin ..
1342017-11-12T09:58:59  <BGL> windows update
1352017-11-12T09:59:04  <BGL> this last time
1362017-11-12T09:59:16  <BGL> and the first time was because i forgot the program closes instead of minimizing to the tray by default
1372017-11-12T10:00:05  <BGL> i've blown a whole day, literally now
1382017-11-12T10:00:29  <luke-jr> hmm, I would expect a clean shutdown to work properly at least regardless of dbcache state
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1402017-11-12T10:00:49  <BGL> i don't know if i'd consider windows update a clean shutdown
1412017-11-12T10:01:13  <BGL> according to it anyways
1422017-11-12T10:02:04  <meshcollider> I guess the first should have been a clean shutdown though, if you just hit close?
1432017-11-12T10:03:03  <BGL> well i guess that's a good point i'm not sure
1442017-11-12T10:03:14  <BGL> i copied the blockchain, chainstate and some otehr stuff from another machine
1452017-11-12T10:03:41  <BGL> i'd hoped this wouldn't be so involved by doing that
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1472017-11-12T10:05:13  <BGL> but maybe i incorrectly copied some file into this new machine that's causing a problem?
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1492017-11-12T10:05:34  <luke-jr> when you start it, does it mention corruption or anything?
1502017-11-12T10:05:47  <BGL> no
1512017-11-12T10:07:58  <BGL> if i manage to get fully through and it decides to start all over then i'll just clean install and download the chain again directly
1522017-11-12T10:08:18  <BGL> but i sure wish this wasn't ungodly slow and gave some explanation or something
1532017-11-12T10:09:07  <luke-jr> it's just going to get slower and slower until the block size is reduced :<
1542017-11-12T10:10:29  <BGL> i was wondering if that blocks dir can be compressed for transfer? or does it not compress well at all
1552017-11-12T10:10:44  <BGL> by the time i thought of it i was halfway through anyways
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1582017-11-12T10:25:05  <luke-jr> BGL: it probably can be compressed, but not exceptionally well with standard tools
1592017-11-12T10:26:11  <luke-jr> in terms of syncing, compression may be more harm than good since ideal compression could break parallelism
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1752017-11-12T11:42:01  <gmaxwell> [OT] TD-Linux was able to disable ME on my new T470p using me_cleaner, it was zero difficulty (releatively speaking: requires clamping a flash programmer into the board)
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1782017-11-12T11:48:10  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: any effect on battery life?
1792017-11-12T11:48:50  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: dunno yet, not expecting so, but will test tomorrow.
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1862017-11-12T12:29:53  <sher48> what about big hashrate fluctuations? -28.68% _in 24 hours) is not good
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1882017-11-12T12:35:02  <sher48> it's time to switch miners mostly to commission income...
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2032017-11-12T14:04:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jBarz opened pull request #11669: Trivial: use unsigned type for delta (master...fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11669
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2062017-11-12T14:07:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #11669: Trivial: use unsigned type for delta (master...fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11669
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2352017-11-12T17:17:08  <ossifrage> Should dumprivkey work for a segwit address? validateaddress lists the address, but dumpprivkey returns 'Address does not refer to a key (code -3)'
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2412017-11-12T17:41:59  <sipa> ossifrage: not yet
2422017-11-12T17:43:06  <ossifrage> sipa, thanks... eventually I was able to backtrack to the original address I used for the 'addwitnessaddress' and the privkey for that address...
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2512017-11-12T19:17:16  <luke-jr> ossifrage: note that ordinarily people should not use dumpprivkey at all - it's for wallet debugging, nothing more
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2532017-11-12T19:18:35  <ossifrage> luke-jr, yeah I just did that as a sanity check when the dumprivkey key was confusing me
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2552017-11-12T19:19:07  <ossifrage> When I saw that none of the segwit addresses where in the dump I realized it wasn't specific to the key I was looking for
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2592017-11-12T19:32:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mikedennis closed pull request #11670: [Docs] Update with instructions for WSL for Win 10 fall 2017 creator update (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11670
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2622017-11-12T19:34:52  <blockchain> @luke-jr why not ? I used dumprivkey to dump all my privat keys and save them seperatly
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2642017-11-12T19:37:09  <luke-jr> blockchain: 1) you'll miss metadata for sure, 2) novices will miss change, 3) newer wallets are HD, which don't have individual per-address private keys
2652017-11-12T19:57:16  <blockchain> so what do you recommend. I don´t want all my bitcoins in one wallet
2662017-11-12T19:58:10  <blockchain> individual per-address privat keys? I have about 100 privat keys with my bitcoins in it spreaded
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2712017-11-12T20:02:50  <sipa> blockchain: bitcoin core now supports multiple wallets
2722017-11-12T20:02:53  <sipa> since 0.15
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2752017-11-12T20:06:53  <blockchain> i like the idea being able to redeem by privat keys on other wallets as well. So i can use my privat keys to redeem on blockchain.info for example. Its precarious ?
2762017-11-12T20:07:26  <sipa> you can, but you're on your own
2772017-11-12T20:07:32  <sipa> it's not what bitcoin core was designed for
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2792017-11-12T20:11:06  <blockchain> So actually I have saved one wallet.dat with all my bitcoins stored some years ago. Then when I want to use some bitcoin I just load one privat key into my new wallet.dat.  I am somehow concerned loading my whole wallet with all my bitcoins stored evertime I want to move some bitcoins
2802017-11-12T20:12:08  <blockchain> Although my computer is crypted, someone might catch up while I am outside or some police raid or forced robbery.
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2822017-11-12T20:12:30  <eck> I was told that there's a proposal from someone (I forget who!) to do multi-process bitcoin core, where some of the processes could be sandboxed (similar to firefox/chrome); does anyone know where I could learn more about this?
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3172017-11-12T22:17:42  <puff> Good evening.
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3242017-11-12T22:51:58  <luke-jr> v0.15.1.knots20171111 tagged on https://github.com/bitcoinknots/bitcoin if anyone wants to help do gitian builds
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3292017-11-12T23:14:26  <BGL> i think this core client really is downloading all the dat again despite it saying its reindexing blocks on disks
3302017-11-12T23:16:31  <sipa> why do you think so?
3312017-11-12T23:16:56  <BGL> it's been like 15 hours and it's at 8%
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3332017-11-12T23:17:04  <oerauakk> "But in reality that's bullshit, full nodes are useless in the Bitcoin beyond providing connection points, what matter is the ring of inter connected mining nodes that guarantee your new transactions to reach 99% of hash power within 3 seconds."
3342017-11-12T23:17:08  <oerauakk> How much truth is there to this statement?
3352017-11-12T23:17:57  <sipa> oerauakk: full nodes are there to keep miners in check
3362017-11-12T23:18:08  <sipa> if all miners are honest, full nodes are useless
3372017-11-12T23:18:23  <sipa> but in that case, why do we have mining in the first place?
3382017-11-12T23:18:56  <sipa> the whole point is to design a system where we don't rely on assuming miners - or anyone - is honest
3392017-11-12T23:20:21  <oerauakk> sipa: but is there a limit to how many extra full nodes still benefit the network? Less nodes means more centralisation, but does more nodes mean a healthier network, or is there some threshold where there is not really any point in adding more nodes?
3402017-11-12T23:20:26  <oerauakk> Can more nodes actually hinder the network?
3412017-11-12T23:20:58  <sipa> oerauakk: *using* a full node matters
3422017-11-12T23:21:11  <sipa> as in: basing your economic activity on one
3432017-11-12T23:21:28  <sipa> not accepting transactions unless *your own* full node accepts ot
3442017-11-12T23:21:35  <sipa> that is how you reduce trust
3452017-11-12T23:22:35  <oerauakk> I see
3462017-11-12T23:22:42  <oerauakk> Thanks, I understand it a little better now
3472017-11-12T23:22:47  <sipa> you shouldn't care about others full nodes, except as an indication for how hard it is
3482017-11-12T23:23:29  <oerauakk> But is there any merit to the argument that adding more nodes doesn't necessarily mean a healthier network?
3492017-11-12T23:23:31  <oerauakk> how hard?
3502017-11-12T23:24:27  <sipa> adding random nodes that nobody looks at doesn't matter at all
3512017-11-12T23:24:38  <sipa> the network doesn't have a need for more nodes
3522017-11-12T23:25:00  <sipa> but the ecosystem needs much more players that *use* their own nodes
3532017-11-12T23:25:16  <sipa> also, this discussion probably belongs on #bitcoin
3542017-11-12T23:25:50  <oerauakk> Sorry, I wasn't sure where to go
3552017-11-12T23:25:54  <oerauakk> But thanks for your answers
3562017-11-12T23:27:31  <luke-jr> BGL: quite often, the bottleneck is your CPU/disk, not bandwidth
3572017-11-12T23:27:50  <luke-jr> BGL: it's not just loading data; it's verifying and processing it into a database
3582017-11-12T23:28:13  <BGL> it's on a brand new ssd and not putting more than a ~25% load on the cpu
3592017-11-12T23:28:20  <BGL> i've benchmarked both and they are acting as expected
3602017-11-12T23:29:16  <sipa> BGL: increase your dbcache
3612017-11-12T23:29:36  <BGL> for some reason i thought i'd save time by copying the blocks folder to this machine
3622017-11-12T23:29:48  <sipa> also, validation early on in the chain is limited to 1 core
3632017-11-12T23:29:51  <BGL> increasing that on the fly while re-indexing will make a diff?
3642017-11-12T23:30:22  <luke-jr> BGL: you need to restart the node to change it (although it *should* resume where it left off)
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3662017-11-12T23:31:00  <BGL> it didn't restart where it left off when i accidentally closed the window the first time, or when windows update re-booted the machine unexpextedly
3672017-11-12T23:31:24  <luke-jr> I remember, hence the "should"
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3702017-11-12T23:32:50  <oerauakk> sipa: can I just ask though, if adding more nodes does not necessarily benefit the network, then why is it important to have more players use their own node?
3712017-11-12T23:33:30  <sturles> Can I make bitcoin use segwit addresses for change now, on master, or is that still a subject for discussion on how to do it properly?
3722017-11-12T23:34:30  <BGL> sipa when does validation start using more than 1 core?
3732017-11-12T23:34:41  <luke-jr> oerauakk: I answered that already in #Bitcoin fyi
3742017-11-12T23:34:58  <BGL> you can't change the dbcache without a client restart
3752017-11-12T23:35:01  <luke-jr> sturles: pretty sure you can't right now at least
3762017-11-12T23:35:40  <sturles> Will it do it automatically, or optionally as an agrument to sendmany etc?
3772017-11-12T23:35:52  <oerauakk> luke-jr: I seem to have missed it (disconnected)
3782017-11-12T23:35:58  <oerauakk> could you copy?
3792017-11-12T23:36:06  <oerauakk> I'll switch to #bitcoin
3802017-11-12T23:36:11  <luke-jr> oerauakk: reposted there
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