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 312017-12-28T02:49:52  <echeveria> 2017-12-28 02:49:21.589437 Reindexing block file blk00854.dat...
 322017-12-28T02:49:53  <echeveria> 2017-12-28 02:49:23.455371 LoadExternalBlockFile: Deserialize or I/O error - Read attempted past buffer limit: unspecified iostream_category error
 332017-12-28T02:49:54  <echeveria> eh?
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 362017-12-28T02:56:27  <phantomcircuit> echeveria, disk failure i believe
 372017-12-28T02:57:17  <echeveria> looking at the block binaries there's a bunch which fell short of being full. maybe that happens during an unclean shutdown?
 382017-12-28T02:57:37  <phantomcircuit> shouldn't
 392017-12-28T02:57:54  <phantomcircuit> but i guess a very unclean shutdown could do that
 402017-12-28T02:58:22  <phantomcircuit> the blockindex won't point to those but the block file itself would have the partial write
 412017-12-28T02:59:40  <echeveria> I'll chalk that up to random corruption.
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1272017-12-28T10:15:57  <karanlearns> hi
1282017-12-28T10:16:29  <karanlearns> when i run make - where is the so file bitcoin-qt generated . is it the one in /usr/bin or the one in src folder
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1302017-12-28T10:21:24  <karanlearns> arubi: on running make where is the bitcoin-qt so file made ? is it in /usr/bin or the one in src folder ?
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1322017-12-28T10:28:29  <luke-jr> karanlearns: user questions in #bitcoin
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1392017-12-28T10:38:44  <karanlearns> luke-jr: i cannot join bitcoin channel, i get switched to bitcoin-unregistered although i have registered.  this question is in continuation of my discussion from yesterday do - please accomodate.
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1472017-12-28T10:54:53  <karanlearns> Hi
1482017-12-28T10:55:47  <karanlearns> I tried cd depends , make , cd root , configure prefix = depends build dir , make , I got this error - https://pastebin.com/H1h0z4wY
1492017-12-28T10:56:01  <luke-jr> karanlearns: you're not presently identified with NickServ
1502017-12-28T10:56:32  <luke-jr> karanlearns: and just because you might not have access to a better place to ask questions, does not justify asking them here
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1522017-12-28T10:59:58  <karanlearns> rafalcpp: https://pastebin.com/H1h0z4wY
1532017-12-28T11:00:26  <karanlearns> luke-jr: sorry. please forgive.
1542017-12-28T11:02:04  <karanlearns> arubi: hey . i got this https://pastebin.com/H1h0z4wY
1552017-12-28T11:09:38  <sipa> karanlearns: not here, please
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1622017-12-28T11:55:19  <zelest> morning
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1862017-12-28T14:51:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] lionello opened pull request #12040: fix: add support for CORS headers and pre-flight request (master...http-options-pre-flight) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12040
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1882017-12-28T15:04:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Zelest opened pull request #12041: doc: Rewrite the OpenBSD build instructions (master...openbsd-build-revamp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12041
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2232017-12-28T17:34:13  <provoostenator> sipa: regarding #3220, rather than using a wallet, would it make sense to create a new persistent wallet-ish datastructure that is specifically designed to track a set of outputs?
2242017-12-28T17:34:14  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3220 | Getrawtransaction working partially without -txindex is confusing · Issue #3220 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2252017-12-28T17:37:07  <sipa> provoostenator: perhaps!
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2272017-12-28T17:37:49  <sipa> sorry if i'm sounding grumpy there, but all these use cases assuming access to the historical blockchain at all is available kind of annoy me
2282017-12-28T17:38:09  <sipa> it's using the easy totally unscalable approach out of laziness
2292017-12-28T17:39:33  <provoostenator> I don't mind grumpiness. Just trying to figure out what the right division of labor should be between the Core node and layer 2 stuff.
2302017-12-28T17:39:53  <provoostenator> Especially if there's still an opportunity to get a small but useful change into 0.16 while Lightning is also still in alpha.
2312017-12-28T17:40:27  <provoostenator> I'm also still trying to understand what exactly these lightning implementations need that an unindexed node can't provide.
2322017-12-28T17:40:45  <sipa> i don't mind helping out - but relying on everyone indexing everything and keeping it around just to being able to query 2 transactions from it later
2332017-12-28T17:40:53  <sipa> seems a bit silly
2342017-12-28T17:41:12  <provoostenator> Especially if you already know the outputs to keep track of.
2352017-12-28T17:41:46  <provoostenator> Which by definition you do if you know  which tx ids you want to track.
2362017-12-28T17:42:47  <provoostenator> Maybe this new data structure can watch for either outputs or specific transactions (don't know if the latter makes things easier).
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2382017-12-28T17:53:21  <provoostenator> I also wonder how c-lightning works and if it really doesn't need txindex=1 (there's no getrawtransaction in the codebase). I'll take it for a spin.
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2402017-12-28T17:59:45  <jb55> provoostenator: you have to paste the raw tx via the cli
2412017-12-28T18:00:22  <jb55> as described here https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning#opening-a-channel-on-the-bitcoin-testnet
2422017-12-28T18:02:31  <provoostenator> jb55: that's just for funding the wallet right, not for opening a channel and monitoring for unilateral close by the other side?
2432017-12-28T18:03:44  <provoostenator> jb55 let's head over to #c-lightning for those details...
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2522017-12-28T19:00:16  <meshcollider> Is there a meeting today?
2532017-12-28T19:00:20  <jonasschnelli> no sure
2542017-12-28T19:00:25  <jonasschnelli> Wlad said he's gone this week
2552017-12-28T19:00:35  <jonasschnelli> We can start one if there are enough people around
2562017-12-28T19:00:35  <provoostenator> Such decentralized...
2572017-12-28T19:00:42  <jonasschnelli> :-)
2582017-12-28T19:01:24  <cfields> hi
2592017-12-28T19:02:00  <jonasschnelli> Meeting request: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr btcdrak sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag
2602017-12-28T19:02:12  <kanzure> hi.
2612017-12-28T19:02:52  <jonasschnelli> Should we cancel this weeks meeting? Seems not much people are around?
2622017-12-28T19:02:59  <meshcollider> Doesn't look promising, yeah
2632017-12-28T19:03:03  <achow101> Oh, there's a meeting?
2642017-12-28T19:03:10  <provoostenator> Or just keep it short if anyone has a topic? I don't.
2652017-12-28T19:03:17  <jonasschnelli> #startmeeting
2662017-12-28T19:03:17  <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 28 19:03:17 2017 UTC.  The chair is jonasschnelli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
2672017-12-28T19:03:17  <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
2682017-12-28T19:03:24  <cfields> maybe a quick 15min meeting? I have one short topic, at least
2692017-12-28T19:03:26  <achow101> Merge segwit wallet
2702017-12-28T19:03:33  <meshcollider> Ok :)
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2722017-12-28T19:03:46  <jonasschnelli> cfields: you have the stage
2732017-12-28T19:04:14  <sipa> i'm at 34C3 with MarkoFalke and BlueMatt
2742017-12-28T19:04:18  <cfields> just an update on the codesigning. I've got the csr just about figured out, we should get going on the key creation in parallel
2752017-12-28T19:04:29  <jonasschnelli> #topic code signing
2762017-12-28T19:04:46  <jonasschnelli> cfields: can you write a short gist/docu how to proceed?
2772017-12-28T19:04:47  <cfields> ^^ is mainly aimed at gmaxwell, i guess
2782017-12-28T19:04:50  <achow101> Who are going to hold the keys?
2792017-12-28T19:05:12  <jonasschnelli> achow101: It will be distributed amoung some devs
2802017-12-28T19:05:33  <jonasschnelli> though, at least for apple, who ever holds the login access, can revoke and re-do the cert
2812017-12-28T19:05:46  <sipa> one step at a time
2822017-12-28T19:05:52  <jonasschnelli> So partially a clown show in terms of user security,.. though we should still do it
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2842017-12-28T19:06:09  <cfields> jonasschnelli: as far as i can tell, we'll just need to use *procedure* for the setup, grab the pubkey, shove it into the csr, and submit to apple
2852017-12-28T19:06:51  <jonasschnelli> cfields: okay. Someone needs to coordinate whos going to create (be a part) a key and who does create the csr
2862017-12-28T19:07:09  <jonasschnelli> I can submit the csr and get back with the provisioning file, etc.
2872017-12-28T19:07:22  * jonasschnelli has no clue how to do this for windows signing cert
2882017-12-28T19:07:44  <cfields> jonasschnelli: i'm working on a quick prog to generate the csr from the pubkey, just have to work out exactly which parts get hashed
2892017-12-28T19:07:56  <provoostenator> Is this a threshold thing or do you need _all_ particpants for everything you do in the future?
2902017-12-28T19:08:01  <cfields> fyi, our cert expires on Jan 11, so the apple key is the priority
2912017-12-28T19:08:09  <jonasschnelli> provoostenator: it's a one time thing
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2932017-12-28T19:08:19  <cfields> provoostenator: threshold
2942017-12-28T19:08:25  <jonasschnelli> cfields: oh. Yes. The expiration!
2952017-12-28T19:08:35  <jonasschnelli> So thanks then for beeing behind it.
2962017-12-28T19:08:40  <provoostenator> Happy to help geneate the key regardless.
2972017-12-28T19:08:52  <jonasschnelli> I expect the already signed binaries do still validate after jan 11th?
2982017-12-28T19:09:02  <cfields> jonasschnelli: if it's possible to have more than one at a time, it might be wise to go ahead and request one in only your name
2992017-12-28T19:09:16  <jonasschnelli> cfields: I can do that...
3002017-12-28T19:09:16  <cfields> then we could revoke it assuming we got the other one going
3012017-12-28T19:09:27  <meshcollider> Just in case we don't get it done in time?
3022017-12-28T19:09:35  <cfields> but that would save us in case we get tripped up and don't have it ready in time
3032017-12-28T19:09:36  <cfields> yea
3042017-12-28T19:09:38  <jonasschnelli> I think already signed binaries are not affected,... it's just the new 0.16 release that needs the new cert
3052017-12-28T19:09:50  <cfields> jonasschnelli: yes, they're timestamped
3062017-12-28T19:10:18  <jonasschnelli> So we need a cert for the 0.16 release... making one where I hold the key is a 5min thing... that's always possible
3072017-12-28T19:10:49  <cfields> jonasschnelli: great, thanks
3082017-12-28T19:10:59  <cfields> ok, that's all from me
3092017-12-28T19:11:06  <meshcollider> We could just release 0.16 before the 11th :)
3102017-12-28T19:11:13  <jonasschnelli> Other topics?
3112017-12-28T19:11:28  <jonasschnelli> meshcollider: heh.. yeah... but I'm happy if "Bitcoin Foundation" is gone in 0.16.
3122017-12-28T19:11:41  <jonasschnelli> I mean gone from our OSX/Windows binaries
3132017-12-28T19:11:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jeromer opened pull request #12042: Add hdenabled flag in getwalletinfo (master...getwalletinfo/hdenabledflag) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12042
3142017-12-28T19:12:05  <meshcollider> jonasschnelli: yep :) no other topics from me
3152017-12-28T19:12:11  <jonasschnelli> [09:03:27]  <achow101>	Merge segwit wallet?
3162017-12-28T19:12:14  <cfields> jonasschnelli: oh, remind me and I'll sign some message with the old key containing the new pubkey
3172017-12-28T19:12:27  <jonasschnelli> I think that needs to wait until we BlueMatt's points have been worked out?
3182017-12-28T19:12:40  <jonasschnelli> cfields: Good point!
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3202017-12-28T19:12:56  <jonasschnelli> cfields: where would you pubish that?
3212017-12-28T19:12:56  <provoostenator> If there's still a lot of outstanding issues, are there parts of that PR than can get merged earlier?
3222017-12-28T19:13:23  <cfields> jonasschnelli: we can stick it in git next to the new pubkey
3232017-12-28T19:13:34  <meshcollider> provoostenator: I think sipa wanted to leave most of the points raised for a follow-up PR yeah
3242017-12-28T19:13:40  <jonasschnelli> provoostenator: I need to catch up there,... I think at some point, a merge can be done even when there are some minor points to fix later
3252017-12-28T19:14:10  <jonasschnelli> I guess the main trigger for a merge is when BlueMatt's points are done (maybe they are already) and sipa thinks it's ready
3262017-12-28T19:14:17  <jonasschnelli> But that will happen next year
3272017-12-28T19:14:21  <jonasschnelli> (IMO)
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3302017-12-28T19:15:20  <provoostenator> It might be easier to review if all the stuff that BlueMatt is already happy with can get merged earlier?
3312017-12-28T19:15:22  <sipa> i'd like an avkby BlueMatt
3322017-12-28T19:15:26  <sipa> *ack by
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3342017-12-28T19:15:35  <jonasschnelli> sipa: yes. Agree
3352017-12-28T19:15:38  <provoostenator> But maybe that's impractical to tease apart.
3362017-12-28T19:16:03  <sipa> it could be merged commit by commit
3372017-12-28T19:16:06  <jonasschnelli> provoostenator: Yes. Involves some risks,.. and may need aditional reviews...
3382017-12-28T19:16:17  <sipa> though the biggest part is really just one commit
3392017-12-28T19:16:21  <provoostenator> Alright, giant atomic change it is :-)
3402017-12-28T19:16:33  <sipa> it's not giant by any metric
3412017-12-28T19:17:05  <jonasschnelli> Yes. Let's try to get an ack from BlueMatt, merge it in a whole, and do fixups later...
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3432017-12-28T19:18:17  <jonasschnelli> Other topics?
3442017-12-28T19:19:15  <jonasschnelli> #endmeeting
3452017-12-28T19:19:15  <lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Dec 28 19:19:15 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
3462017-12-28T19:19:15  <lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2017/bitcoin-core-dev.2017-12-28-19.03.html
3472017-12-28T19:19:15  <lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2017/bitcoin-core-dev.2017-12-28-19.03.txt
3482017-12-28T19:19:15  <lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2017/bitcoin-core-dev.2017-12-28-19.03.log.html
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3522017-12-28T19:20:15  <cfields> thanks for taking the lead, jonasschnelli :)
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3542017-12-28T19:20:27  <jonasschnelli> np
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3652017-12-28T19:46:52  <achow101> do we know how/have software that can do more than just 3 of 3?
3662017-12-28T19:46:53  <achow101> the think that gmaxwell pointed me to only works for 3 of 3.
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3682017-12-28T19:50:09  <jo__> hi
3692017-12-28T19:50:11  <jo__> anyone here
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3712017-12-28T19:58:22  <sipa> no
3722017-12-28T20:00:44  <Chris_Stewart_5> -brought to you by sipabot(TM)
3732017-12-28T20:11:21  <zelest> hehe
3742017-12-28T20:12:06  <zelest> might be insulting to ask, but i'll ask anyway.. when is 0.16 scheduled to be released? :)
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3772017-12-28T20:20:40  <Randolf> zelest:  It will be released when it's ready.
3782017-12-28T20:20:56  <zelest> ah, the perfect answer. thanks :)
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3802017-12-28T20:32:15  <bob___> o_O
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3822017-12-28T20:35:35  <sipa> O_o
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4342017-12-28T23:57:59  <warren> To whom it may concern, somebody wrote this in a random channel: "ehm, dunno if im right here, i stumbled upon a severe translation error in bitcoincoreWallet..at the transaction window, " abandon transaction" has been translated with " transaktion einstellen" - well this means exactly the opposite in german, something like: enter transaction into database,ledger - the better translation imo would be: " transaktion senden einstellen"...