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 552018-01-22T05:30:13  <mryandao> when calling getrawmempool true, should all fees be in sats or btc? because nFee field is in BTC while the others (ancestorfees, decendentfees) are in sats.
 562018-01-22T05:33:11  <sipa>  that sounds like a bug
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 642018-01-22T06:27:14  <Randolf> mryandao:  Consistency in that area seems like a good idea to me.
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 822018-01-22T08:28:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mryandao opened pull request #12240: changed fee to be in sats instead of btc (master...fix-getrawmempool-fee-representation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12240
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 982018-01-22T09:17:17  <sidd_> hey guys,
 992018-01-22T09:17:24  <sidd_> do you know Satoshi Nakamoto
1002018-01-22T09:17:50  <sidd_> plz tell me who he is in realty
1012018-01-22T09:18:02  <sidd_> i have not slept for so many dys
1022018-01-22T09:18:15  <sidd_> this question has been eating me inside
1032018-01-22T09:19:19  <sidd_> i have 10000 bit coins
1042018-01-22T09:19:37  <sidd_> which i bought way back in 2012
1052018-01-22T09:20:03  <meshcollider> sidd_: you're in the wrong channel, please take this to #bitcoin
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1202018-01-22T10:22:08  <mryandao> heh, so with fees, the reason why the test are failing is because the `getnetworkinfo` rpc endpoint reports minrelayfees in btc denominations as well
1212018-01-22T10:22:30  <mryandao> is there a convention as to what denomination fees should be in?
1222018-01-22T10:22:39  <wumpus> the idea is that all amounts on the RPC interface should be in BTC
1232018-01-22T10:23:01  <wumpus> there are some exceptions which have to do with specific BIPs (getblocktemplate etc)
1242018-01-22T10:23:12  <mryandao> so `ancestorFee` and `decendentFee` should be in BTC instead?
1252018-01-22T10:23:26  <wumpus> but the guideline is to use AmountFromValue and ValueFromAmount for all monetary amounts unless there is a really good reason otherwise
1262018-01-22T10:23:48  <wumpus> I guess - though changing the interface is dangerous
1272018-01-22T10:23:55  <mryandao> the two fields report in satoshis when you make a `getrawmempool true`
1282018-01-22T10:23:56  <promag> what output format should createmultisig use if wallet is not enabled?
1292018-01-22T10:24:09  <wumpus> if people have already built software that makes the assumption that values are in a certain unit, changing it can lead to enormous funds loss
1302018-01-22T10:24:45  <wumpus> but so can having mixed units on one call, so I don't know...
1312018-01-22T10:25:17  <mryandao> uhh, i'll leave the PR there and wait for more comments?
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1332018-01-22T10:41:38  <promag> mryandao: which PR?
1342018-01-22T10:44:05  <meshcollider> promag: #12240 I assume
1352018-01-22T10:44:07  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12240 | changed fee to be in sats instead of btc by mryandao · Pull Request #12240 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1362018-01-22T10:44:18  <promag> ty
1372018-01-22T10:44:55  <promag> I guess that's breaking change
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1392018-01-22T10:46:05  <promag> mryandao: you can't simply change a field unit
1402018-01-22T10:46:29  <meshcollider> promag: it was assumed to be a bug though, discussed slightly above ^
1412018-01-22T10:47:02  <promag> meshcollider: bug or not
1422018-01-22T10:47:24  <meshcollider> promag: yeah I know, just clarifying :)
1432018-01-22T10:47:47  <promag> mryandao: I suggest to add a new field and signal that as deprecated
1442018-01-22T10:48:49  <promag> like add "fees": { "value": ..., "modified": ... }
1452018-01-22T10:54:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #12241: [trivial][docs] Fix incorrect link in /test/ README.md (master...trivial-fix-util-link) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12241
1462018-01-22T10:56:27  <mryandao> promag: ok, i'll note that for future reference -- not breaking changes in RPC.
1472018-01-22T10:57:01  <mryandao> but wumpus did mention that fees shown in RPC calls should be in BTC.
1482018-01-22T10:57:24  <mryandao> so i'm thinking of changing `ancestor/decendentFees` to btc-denominations instead.
1492018-01-22T11:01:06  <promag> mryandao: that is also a no-go
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1522018-01-22T11:03:27  <promag> mryandao: you can add breaking change behind a flag. bad example: `bitcoind -fixrpcunits` - the user knows what he is doing so we can expect he fixes his software
1532018-01-22T11:04:05  <wumpus> meh, I wouldn't add flags
1542018-01-22T11:04:12  <wumpus> the way to do this would be to add fields
1552018-01-22T11:04:19  <wumpus> then deprecate the old ones at some point in the far future
1562018-01-22T11:04:34  <promag> wumpus: yes I also prefer that
1572018-01-22T11:04:41  <fanquake> Afternoon
1582018-01-22T11:04:48  <promag> o/
1592018-01-22T11:04:53  <promag> Morning
1602018-01-22T11:04:56  <wumpus> new options need to have a very good rationale, there are too many of them already
1612018-01-22T11:05:06  <wumpus> o\
1622018-01-22T11:05:40  <mryandao> alright, i'll add new fields
1632018-01-22T11:05:44  <mryandao> what should I call them?
1642018-01-22T11:05:52  <mryandao> `ancestorFeeInBTC`?
1652018-01-22T11:06:54  <promag> I tend to like structured json, so "fees": { ..., "ancestor": ..., ... }
1662018-01-22T11:07:10  <wumpus> no opinion on names...
1672018-01-22T11:07:12  <meshcollider> agree with promag, new fees object would be cleaner
1682018-01-22T11:07:18  <mryandao> that's a pretty big breaking change
1692018-01-22T11:07:28  <wumpus> adding fields is never a breaking change
1702018-01-22T11:07:32  <mryandao> oh, but i leave existing fields intact.
1712018-01-22T11:07:33  <mryandao> right
1722018-01-22T11:07:35  <promag> the docs would say units in "fees" are BTC
1732018-01-22T11:07:43  <mryandao> gotcha
1742018-01-22T11:07:49  <wumpus> promag: exactly, the unit should be in the doc, not the name/handle
1752018-01-22T11:08:43  <wumpus> removing the fields at some point would be a big breaking change, but let's wait a few major versions for that... if it's just for consistency there's no hurry to break software
1762018-01-22T11:11:06  <fanquake> wumpus I see more wormhole activity from you :p
1772018-01-22T11:14:38  <wumpus> fanquake: how, exotic particle leaks, is the shielding failing? :p
1782018-01-22T11:17:46  <fanquake> wumpus it's not quite magic ;)
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1812018-01-22T11:29:47  <zelest> I think I just had a quite clever idea... What about showing bitcoin addresses in certain colors? E.g, convert it to hex and pick the 6 values (like, 2 form the beginning, 2 from the middle, 2 from the last) and use it as RGB and color it..
1822018-01-22T11:30:18  <zelest> That way people can quickly verify if an address is wrong :)
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1842018-01-22T11:35:57  <wumpus> isn't blockchair (the block exporer) doing that?
1852018-01-22T11:36:06  <zelest> It is?
1862018-01-22T11:41:27  <fanquake> There is an issue open for something similar. I cannot find it.
1872018-01-22T11:41:43  <fanquake> Similar to #11642
1882018-01-22T11:41:44  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11642 | Visual Hashes for Bitcoin Addresses · Issue #11642 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1972018-01-22T11:54:40  <athator> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User:Gmaxwell/visual_fingerprint_comparison
1982018-01-22T11:54:40  <athator> Getting a graphic designer / GUI designer on board to spruce it up would be optimal as well from a user perspective
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2162018-01-22T13:23:02  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f4c942e36154...b03013396cb2
2172018-01-22T13:23:02  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bf18977 fanquake: [trivial][docs] Fix incorrect link in /test/ README.md
2182018-01-22T13:23:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b030133 MarcoFalke: Merge #12241: [trivial][docs] Fix incorrect link in /test/ README.md...
2192018-01-22T13:23:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #12241: [trivial][docs] Fix incorrect link in /test/ README.md (master...trivial-fix-util-link) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12241
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2242018-01-22T13:30:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ac96e78 Russell Yanofsky: test_runner: Readable output if create_cache.py fails...
2252018-01-22T13:30:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b987ca4 MarcoFalke: Merge #12227: test_runner: Readable output if create_cache.py fails...
2262018-01-22T13:31:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #12227: test_runner: Readable output if create_cache.py fails (master...pr/runcache) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12227
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2292018-01-22T13:47:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b987ca4ee495...b5e4b9b5100e
2302018-01-22T13:47:24  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b21244e Jeff Rade: Updating benchmarkmarking.md with an updated sample output and help options
2312018-01-22T13:47:25  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b5e4b9b MarcoFalke: Merge #12187: [Docs] Updating benchmarkmarking.md with an updated sample output...
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2342018-01-22T13:48:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #12187: [Docs] Updating benchmarkmarking.md with an updated sample output (master...benchmark_output) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12187
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2402018-01-22T14:26:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #12242: 0.8 (0.8...0.8) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12242
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3282018-01-22T17:28:31  <bill09086> Here's a few cryptocurrencies I invested in that made me $265,000 with a small investment https://tinyurl.com/yad8khq9
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3302018-01-22T17:30:29  <eu-Robert> lol
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3392018-01-22T17:50:34  <PiedPiper> i clicked
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4132018-01-22T20:02:00  <joel_k_lashbrook> exir
4142018-01-22T20:02:02  <joel_k_lashbrook> exit
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