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 612018-01-23T03:55:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #12246: Bugfix: Only run bitcoin-tx tests when bitcoin-tx is enabled (master...separate_utils) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12246
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 842018-01-23T06:07:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #12247: ZSnarks tech integration (master...HODLCoin0.11.3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12247
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2102018-01-23T14:02:44  <instagibbs> is there any particular reason the genesis block transaction isnt included in txindex?
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2252018-01-23T14:45:47  <meshcollider> instagibbs: same reason it's not spendable I guess
2262018-01-23T14:46:07  <instagibbs> txindex isn't consensus, but I could see the reason being "because no one would ever bother trying to spend it"
2272018-01-23T14:46:23  <instagibbs> just was surprised that joe schmoe can't use bitcoind to inspect it
2282018-01-23T14:46:35  <meshcollider> Yeah I just mean in terms of code, there's no reason I can see why we shouldn't add it
2292018-01-23T14:46:52  <meshcollider> It'd make sense to add it I think
2302018-01-23T14:47:40  <sipa> instagibbs: well from a consensus point of view the genesis block isn't really a normal block
2312018-01-23T14:47:57  <sipa> it's just there as a given starting point
2322018-01-23T14:48:34  <sipa> it could be removed from bitcoind entirely, and just treat its hash in a prevblock as an indication "this is the first block"
2332018-01-23T14:49:22  <Sentineo> one can not fetch the first coinbase tx from RPC then and show it the people - here is the january 3 message ... :)
2342018-01-23T14:49:50  <Sentineo> which is kind of a question I get a lot - why doesn;t it work
2352018-01-23T14:51:41  <instagibbs> sipa, ehhhhh it'd be just as easy to remove it from txindex in that case :)
2362018-01-23T14:51:49  <instagibbs> anyways, not a big deal, just surprised me
2372018-01-23T14:52:35  <sipa> instagibbs: my point is that it shouldn't be in the txindex, because for all intents and purposes, that transaction doesn't exist
2382018-01-23T14:52:45  <sipa> it's just some arbitrary data the genesis block happens to be filled with
2392018-01-23T14:53:02  <sipa> the system would work equally well if it wasn't even a valid transaction
2402018-01-23T14:53:05  <instagibbs> disagree, but that's enough NACK to leave it as a simple observation than a PR
2412018-01-23T15:03:45  <sipa> instagibbs: maybe there is a bit more historical context here
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2432018-01-23T15:04:08  <sipa> before 0.8, there was no chainstate - the whole utxo set was defined by the txindex, and the txindex was all there was
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2452018-01-23T15:04:39  <sipa> no version of bitcoin ever added the genesis block to the txindex, which is the reason why the genesis coinbase output is unspendable
2462018-01-23T15:04:41  <instagibbs> ah, yes that is more motivated
2472018-01-23T15:05:02  <sipa> in 0.8, the consensus relevance of the txindex was moved to the chainstate
2482018-01-23T15:05:31  <BW^-> sipa: ah, so those first 1 million BTC minted by Satoshi, are unspendable?
2492018-01-23T15:05:33  <sipa> but as the genesis coinbase tx (intentionally or not) had never been part of the txindex, there isn't really a reason to change it
2502018-01-23T15:05:38  <sipa> BW^-: no, the first 50
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2522018-01-23T15:07:39  <sipa> instagibbs: it's been brought up so many times on SE that i wonder if gettransaction should special case it and return some special error or so :)
2532018-01-23T15:08:06  <instagibbs> hah
2542018-01-23T15:08:16  <instagibbs> answer: yes
2552018-01-23T15:10:18  <BW^-> sipa: the first 50 blocks
2562018-01-23T15:10:25  <BW^-> ?
2572018-01-23T15:11:08  <sipa> BW^-: no, we're only talking about the genesis block, which has an "output" of 50 BTC - those 50 BTC are not spendable
2582018-01-23T15:11:48  <BW^-> ah.
2592018-01-23T15:15:57  <Sentineo> ah I always wondered why it is unspendable :) ty sipa !
2602018-01-23T15:17:10  <Sentineo> I beleive chainstate was created to make the utxo set more compact and maybe efficient (lookup wise)
2612018-01-23T15:17:18  <Sentineo> is it a correct assumption sipa ?
2622018-01-23T15:17:32  <sipa> yes
2632018-01-23T15:17:52  <sipa> the txindex was 2 GB by the time the chainstate was 70 MB
2642018-01-23T15:18:06  <sipa> now the chainstate is 2 GB, i don't want to know how large the txindex would have been :)
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2672018-01-23T15:20:16  <Sentineo> well my index folder with txindex=1 is 15G :)
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2692018-01-23T15:20:51  <sipa> yes, but the post-0.8 txindex is much smaller than the one in pre-0.8 times
2702018-01-23T15:21:00  <Sentineo> my chainstate is 3.4G ... is it cause txindex is on?
2712018-01-23T15:21:12  <Sentineo> ah ok, so it would have been even bigger
2722018-01-23T15:21:12  <sipa> as it doesn't need to serve the function of UTXO set anymore
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2742018-01-23T15:23:21  <sipa> in particular, the pre-0.8 txindex had information about all spent inputs; now we only keep information per block or per tx
2752018-01-23T15:23:29  <sipa> (the latter when txindex is enabled)
2762018-01-23T15:24:22  <Sentineo> ic
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2832018-01-23T15:55:06  <promag> sipa: btw
2842018-01-23T15:55:08  <promag> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/wallet/wallet.cpp#L2742
2852018-01-23T15:55:41  <promag> if the creation fails or whatever then que key is returned to the pool
2862018-01-23T15:56:21  <promag> but LearnRelatedScripts will add other addresses to the wallet. Or am I wrong?
2872018-01-23T16:04:28  <sipa> LearnRelatedScripts never has any effect
2882018-01-23T16:04:34  <sipa> except for downgrading
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3552018-01-23T19:08:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #12250: Make CKey::Load references const (master...pr/keyload) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12250
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3712018-01-23T20:00:51  <jnewbery> v0.16.0 contains a change to P2SH activation, so we activate based on height rather than block time (a similar change to BIP 90 buried deployment). I have a very short BIP written up to describe the change. Do people think it's worth publishing as a BIP?
3722018-01-23T20:04:00  <sdaftuar> see also #11739 -- if we merge that then perhaps this is moot
3732018-01-23T20:04:02  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11739 | Enforce SCRIPT_VERIFY_P2SH and SCRIPT_VERIFY_WITNESS from genesis by sdaftuar · Pull Request #11739 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3742018-01-23T20:04:48  <instagibbs> i think BIPs are a good idea if we're changing consensus rules
3752018-01-23T20:04:56  <Chris_Stewart_5> jnewbery: Do you think this will be re-usable for other soft forks or is p2sh unique in the regard the activation was done by block time
3762018-01-23T20:05:01  <MarcoFalke> The motivation for the consensus change was to make (test) code look cleaner. Since we have 11739 upcoming, that temporary more clean code is no longer a valid motivation for a change on the consensus level, as it comes with documentation burden of e.g. creating a bip.
3772018-01-23T20:18:40  <jnewbery> in some ways it's not a consensus change, since it's below the last checkpoint
3782018-01-23T20:19:51  <jnewbery> Chris_Stewart_5: I can imagine we may want to bury the CSV deployment at some point
3792018-01-23T20:20:45  <jnewbery> 11739 would remove segwit bip9 activation
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3812018-01-23T20:21:20  <Chris_Stewart_5> jnewbery: I say publish it -- especially if it could apply to other soft forks
3822018-01-23T20:25:26  <MarcoFalke> Chris_Stewart_5: Can you elaborate? If the BIP is published, it couldn't be applied to other soft forks
3832018-01-23T20:25:38  <MarcoFalke> You can't really change BIPs retroactively
3842018-01-23T20:27:09  <Chris_Stewart_5> MarcoFalke: I was thinking about it the way that BIP9 provides process for deploying soft forks -- not a *specific* soft fork
3852018-01-23T20:27:53  <Chris_Stewart_5> I.e. you could use this process to bury CSV deployment alogn with p2sh if i understand what it does correctly...
3862018-01-23T20:28:14  <Chris_Stewart_5> but perhaps this is too narrow.. idk
3872018-01-23T20:28:26  <MarcoFalke> I see
3882018-01-23T20:29:44  <MarcoFalke> If I am not mistaken, p2sh deployment is the only time based soft fork that "is left". So it wouldn't apply to others...
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3902018-01-23T20:33:36  <Chris_Stewart_5> either way, i think posting it to the dev mailing list at least isn't a bad
3912018-01-23T20:33:44  <Chris_Stewart_5> bad idea
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3942018-01-23T20:39:04  <MarcoFalke> Agree, text itself looks fine to me, but I will stick to -0
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3982018-01-23T20:49:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #12251: initwallet: Do not translate highly technical addresstype help (master...Mf1801-walletNoTranslateInitHelp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12251
3992018-01-23T20:58:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ajtowns opened pull request #12252: Require all tests to follow naming convention (master...rename_tests_no_leeway) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12252
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4072018-01-23T21:09:41  <jtimon> sdaftuar: perhaps mention in your bip that this is similar to the way bip30 was activated ?
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4092018-01-23T21:14:38  <cncr04s> how do I setup LN on mainnet?
4102018-01-23T21:15:13  <cncr04s> I run mining/pool/deposit services. I would like to try to test it out
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4132018-01-23T21:22:09  <achow101> cncr04s: not here, try asking in #lightning-dev
4142018-01-23T21:23:02  <cncr04s> thanks
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4242018-01-23T21:51:37  <jojeyh> hey trying to setup private regtest chain locally.  running the command 'bitcoind -regtest -daemon' outputs usual phrase 'Bitcoin server starting.." but 'ps aux' returns no process running it
4252018-01-23T21:52:41  <jojeyh> nvm guess it was because i was also running testnet too, but this shouldn't be a problem right?
4262018-01-23T21:52:51  <jojeyh> i shutdown testnet and regtest worked
4272018-01-23T21:59:49  <jojeyh> nvm now i can run testnet and regtest at same time
4282018-01-23T21:59:54  <jojeyh> don't know what i did wrong
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