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622018-05-24T08:04:43 <wumpus> MarcoFalke: agree re 13253
632018-05-24T08:06:50 <wumpus> getting the 0.16.1 release out should probably be priority now
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652018-05-24T08:12:08 <wumpus> moneyball: hahahahaha "double unicorn"
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672018-05-24T08:17:05 <wumpus> moneyball: but good to know they're making progress. A really persistent one was jtimon's PR that I merged yesterday, #10757.
682018-05-24T08:17:11 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10757 | RPC: Introduce getblockstats to plot things by jtimon · Pull Request #10757 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
692018-05-24T08:25:56 <fanquake> wumpus there are still a couple unclean/complicated backports to do.
702018-05-24T08:26:00 <fanquake> Wondering if the people that PR'd the changes to master want to handle the backporting?
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722018-05-24T08:26:49 <fanquake> wumpus Also if you're happy with it, I think #13246 is ready. I've tested, and it's a good cleanup.
732018-05-24T08:26:51 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13246 | doc: Bump to Ubuntu Bionic 18.04 in build-windows.md by ken2812221 · Pull Request #13246 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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762018-05-24T08:32:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13253: [0.16] Further Backports (0.16...0-16-further-backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13253
772018-05-24T08:37:32 <wumpus> fanquake: I think it's preferable if the people that PRed the changes to master do that, yes
782018-05-24T08:37:57 <wumpus> at the very least they'd need to review it carefully
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842018-05-24T08:45:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7f4db9a7c354...5c41b6008079
852018-05-24T08:45:41 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9d4f942 Chun Kuan Lee: doc: Bump to Ubuntu Bionic 18.04 in build-windows.md...
862018-05-24T08:45:42 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5c41b60 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13246: doc: Bump to Ubuntu Bionic 18.04 in build-windows.md...
872018-05-24T08:46:09 <fanquake> wumpus I've added them to the "Blockers" in the High Prio list
882018-05-24T08:46:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13246: doc: Bump to Ubuntu Bionic 18.04 in build-windows.md (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13246
892018-05-24T08:46:29 <fanquake> I think we can just about untag that one for 0.15.2
902018-05-24T08:48:02 <kallewoof> Is there a good link to the high prio list? I always have a hard time finding it and keep a tab of https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+project%3Abitcoin%2Fbitcoin%2F8 open, but not sure that URL changes at some point.
912018-05-24T08:48:17 <kallewoof> "bitcoin/bitcoin/8" doesn't seem particularly permanent.
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932018-05-24T08:49:15 <wumpus> fanquake: you mean the GUI settings dialog crash? yes, probably, I don't think it's so likely that we'll do a 0.15.x release anyway
942018-05-24T08:50:07 <wumpus> kallewoof: pretty much all github URLs are permanent (for some definitions of permanent at least)
952018-05-24T08:50:24 <fanquake> wumpus yep, I'll untag it
962018-05-24T08:50:31 <wumpus> fanquake: already did
972018-05-24T08:50:36 <fanquake> :o
982018-05-24T08:51:03 <wumpus> kallewoof: '8' is the project ID which is not supposed to change
992018-05-24T08:51:06 <fanquake> kallewoof I think https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 is your best bet for now
1002018-05-24T08:53:22 <kallewoof> OK, thanks
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1162018-05-24T09:12:33 <aj> kallewoof: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 ?
1172018-05-24T09:13:02 <aj> ah, helps if you don't get lost in scrollback
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1212018-05-24T09:17:36 <promag> wumpus: #13063
1222018-05-24T09:17:38 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13063 | Use shared pointer to retain wallet instance by promag · Pull Request #13063 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1242018-05-24T09:27:48 <wumpus> apparently there's a new "checks" thing on github PRs?
1252018-05-24T09:28:49 <wumpus> promag: thanks
1262018-05-24T09:30:07 <fanquake> wumpus yes, not quite sure what that's for yet
1272018-05-24T09:30:13 <promag> also #13160 could have more feedback
1282018-05-24T09:30:15 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13160 | wallet: Unlock spent outputs by promag · Pull Request #13160 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1292018-05-24T09:30:26 <fanquake> I wonder if it's for the linter type things we are currently running on Travis
1302018-05-24T09:30:38 <promag> fanquake: I guess integrations must update first?
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1322018-05-24T09:32:27 <fanquake> promag Do you mean they will run before travis does?
1332018-05-24T09:34:14 <promag> fanquake: I mean apps (travis for instance) must update first to use checks
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1352018-05-24T09:34:30 <promag> or we must update .travis.yml?
1362018-05-24T09:35:09 <fanquake> promag ah ok. I'll have a read up https://blog.github.com/2018-05-07-introducing-checks-api/
1372018-05-24T09:35:09 <promag> https://help.github.com/articles/about-status-checks/#checks
1382018-05-24T09:36:24 <promag> but looks like a nice feature
1392018-05-24T09:37:19 <fanquake> Also https://blog.travis-ci.com/2018-05-07-announcing-support-for-github-checks-api-on-travis-ci-com
1402018-05-24T09:38:08 <fanquake> Also Also, if anyone wasn't aware https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/open-source-on-travis-ci-com
1412018-05-24T09:39:58 <wumpus> seems like a nice feature, if it can list the failed checks in the PR instead of having to dig into the travis log every time
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1432018-05-24T09:41:53 <wumpus> although having to look for 'apps' in a 'marketplace' seems kind of sily
1442018-05-24T09:42:48 <fanquake> heh
1452018-05-24T09:42:54 <wumpus> "
1462018-05-24T09:42:56 <wumpus> Organization owners and users with push access to a repository can create checks and statuses with GitHub's API. For more information, see "Checks" and "Statuses" in the GitHub Developer documentation."
1472018-05-24T09:47:27 <wumpus> so we could push *our own* statuses, funny. Though agree with promag it would be useful if this was integrated into, say, travis, to not have to run parallel checking infrastructure.
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1492018-05-24T09:59:07 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5c41b6008079...6378eef18f61
1502018-05-24T09:59:07 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 80b4910 João Barbosa: wallet: Use shared pointer to retain wallet instance
1512018-05-24T09:59:08 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6378eef Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13063: Use shared pointer to retain wallet instance...
1522018-05-24T09:59:42 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13063: Use shared pointer to retain wallet instance (master...2018-04-wallet-sharedptr) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13063
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1542018-05-24T10:04:04 <promag> wumpus: thanks, #13111 on high priority?
1552018-05-24T10:04:06 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13111 | [WIP] Add unloadwallet RPC by promag · Pull Request #13111 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1562018-05-24T10:05:22 <wumpus> I think we should try to keep high-priority discussion in the meetings
1572018-05-24T10:06:14 <wumpus> that makes sure at least everyone has an idea of what is added. I'm okay with adding one inbetween when there is really a hurry, but this even has a [WIP] tag still
1582018-05-24T10:07:41 <wumpus> also I think high priority == 0.16.1 now
1592018-05-24T10:11:08 <promag> wumpus: when is 0.17 feature freeze?
1602018-05-24T10:13:05 <wumpus> #12624
1612018-05-24T10:13:06 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12624 | Release schedule for 0.17.0 · Issue #12624 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1852018-05-24T12:13:02 <fanquake> wumpus #13284 should be able to go in. Pretty trivial fix.
1862018-05-24T12:13:04 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13284 | gui: fix visual "overflow" of amount input. by brandonrninefive · Pull Request #13284 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1922018-05-24T12:30:06 <wumpus> fanquake: will look at it, thanks
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1992018-05-24T13:08:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6378eef18f61...a9b6957383a7
2002018-05-24T13:08:06 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c865ee1 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Fix FreeBSD build by including utilstrencodings.h...
2012018-05-24T13:08:06 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a9b6957 MarcoFalke: Merge #13314: Fix FreeBSD build by including utilstrencodings.h...
2022018-05-24T13:08:55 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #13314: Fix FreeBSD build by including utilstrencodings.h (master...2018_05_freebsd_build) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13314
2032018-05-24T13:12:40 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a9b6957383a7...536120ec39be
2042018-05-24T13:12:40 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 97c112d Ben Woosley: Declare TorReply parsing functions in torcontrol_tests...
2052018-05-24T13:12:41 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 536120e MarcoFalke: Merge #13291: test: Don't include torcontrol.cpp into the test file...
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2072018-05-24T13:13:26 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #13291: test: Don't include torcontrol.cpp into the test file (master...tor-reply) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13291
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2262018-05-24T13:53:00 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/536120ec39be...f8be43413368
2272018-05-24T13:53:01 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5f3cbde Brandon Ruggles: Increased max width of amount field to prevent number overflow bug.
2282018-05-24T13:53:01 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f8be434 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13284: gui: fix visual "overflow" of amount input....
2292018-05-24T13:53:46 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13284: gui: fix visual "overflow" of amount input. (master...ui_amount_overflow_fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13284
2302018-05-24T13:56:12 <fanquake> jonasschnelli I probably should have tested on Windows, but I've almost had enough of VMs for the day
2312018-05-24T13:56:26 <fanquake> If Windows is broken somehow it'll be the odd one out
2322018-05-24T13:58:55 <jonasschnelli> fanquake: heh!
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2352018-05-24T14:05:41 <wumpus> ideally it'd use the font size, instead of a fixed width
2362018-05-24T14:06:02 <wumpus> but an improvement is an improvement...
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2382018-05-24T14:07:21 <wumpus> (but there is a qt function to compute font extents, which we use in some places, if this ever comes up as issue again we should use that)
2392018-05-24T14:11:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] FeedTheWeb opened pull request #13315: remove ZMQ message limit (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13315
2402018-05-24T14:12:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f8be43413368...610f4dd719ad
2412018-05-24T14:12:11 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa865ef MarcoFalke: qa: Fix wallet_listreceivedby race
2422018-05-24T14:12:12 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 610f4dd MarcoFalke: Merge #13304: qa: Fix wallet_listreceivedby race...
2432018-05-24T14:13:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #13304: qa: Fix wallet_listreceivedby race (master...Mf1805-qaWalletRace) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13304
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2532018-05-24T14:27:29 <jnewbery> moneyball, jimpo: thanks for continuing to chase Github!
2542018-05-24T14:27:54 <jnewbery> I also got an email from Ben at Github with another workaround in case people are still having issues: https://0bin.net/paste/4maKKIx04UweS5rA#EvAA3aPuNEb8fRr8x+csVRwfjjS5VCmbP5Mn7r3OGvz
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2562018-05-24T14:28:28 <jnewbery> append ?timeline_per_page=20 to the end of any PR URL
2572018-05-24T14:36:18 <wumpus> github has a way to restrict the number of posts per page? that's good to know
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2862018-05-24T16:40:13 <promag> jnewbery: #13111 begs for your review =)
2872018-05-24T16:40:15 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13111 | Add unloadwallet RPC by promag · Pull Request #13111 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2882018-05-24T16:48:09 <jnewbery> promag: Of course I will, in good time. I've just reviewed #13100, and I don't think there's a huge rush to review all the load/unload wallet PRs in parallel
2892018-05-24T16:48:12 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13100 | gui: Add menu entry to open wallet by promag · Pull Request #13100 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2902018-05-24T16:48:38 <promag> jnewbery: what should come first? menu entries or unload?
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2922018-05-24T16:59:35 <jnewbery> I don't think it matters. I'm more concerned about not hogging reviewer/maintainer time.
2932018-05-24T16:59:52 <jnewbery> I got another update from Ben at Github: One more quick update, the performance improvement I mentioned also made it into production moments ago, so hopefully the URL argument workaround should be less-and-less necessary as well.
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3012018-05-24T17:41:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #13317: [0.16.1] Remainig backports (0.16...Mf1805-016ForBackport) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13317
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3092018-05-24T18:47:43 <promag> jnewbery: I prefer unloading first, then UI actions can be added at the same time for both load and unload
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3112018-05-24T18:52:22 <sipa> jimpo: in the raw data about bip 158, the second but last column is the number of entries in the basic filter
3122018-05-24T18:53:00 <sipa> is that the number of unique elements, or the total number? (i.e. does it count multiple identical scriptPubKeys once or multiple times?)
3132018-05-24T18:54:02 <jimpo> unique elements
3142018-05-24T18:54:41 <jimpo> if you want the raw data for the sub-filters (as being discussed on the mailing list), I have those too
3152018-05-24T18:55:16 <sipa> it seems the byte size is almost unbelievably close to the theoretical limit
3162018-05-24T18:55:40 <jimpo> yeah, 21 is the limit
3172018-05-24T18:56:17 <jimpo> I have a graph somewhere of average bitsize per element vs # of elements in a filter
3182018-05-24T18:56:51 <jimpo> it drops off very fast. at around 200 elements or so, I think it's already at 22 or 23 (need to double check that)
3192018-05-24T18:57:37 <sipa> jimpo: the limit is actually higher
3202018-05-24T18:58:03 <jimpo> oh? how's that?
3212018-05-24T18:58:53 <MarcoFalke> I cherry-picked the remaining backports here: #13317
3222018-05-24T18:58:55 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13317 | [0.16.1] Remainig backports by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #13317 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3232018-05-24T18:59:23 <MarcoFalke> I believe the conflicts were only due to refactoring (variable names changed) and one adjacent documentation change
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3262018-05-24T18:59:41 <sipa> jimpo: let's discuss after meeting
3272018-05-24T19:00:06 <wumpus> #startmeeting
3282018-05-24T19:00:06 <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu May 24 19:00:06 2018 UTC. The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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3322018-05-24T19:00:13 <promag> hi
3332018-05-24T19:00:31 <jimpo> hi
3342018-05-24T19:00:32 <murch1> hello
3352018-05-24T19:00:41 <jcorgan> lurking
3362018-05-24T19:00:49 <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr btcdrak sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator
3372018-05-24T19:00:57 <achow101> hi
3382018-05-24T19:01:01 <jonasschnelli> hi
3392018-05-24T19:01:32 <wumpus> I guess the topic of priority today is 0.16.1
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3412018-05-24T19:01:44 <jamesob> hi
3422018-05-24T19:01:50 <jnewbery> hello
3432018-05-24T19:01:56 <wumpus> #topic 0.16.1
3442018-05-24T19:02:03 <wumpus> there's a few backports left to do
3452018-05-24T19:02:31 <wumpus> or does #13317 include all of them?
3462018-05-24T19:02:31 <cfields> hi
3472018-05-24T19:02:32 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13317 | [0.16.1] Remainig backports by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #13317 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3482018-05-24T19:02:41 <MarcoFalke> wumpus: I left out the qt one
3492018-05-24T19:02:53 <MarcoFalke> I think it changes translations. I might do it in a separate pull
3502018-05-24T19:03:04 <wumpus> I'll add that one to "high priority for review" at least
3512018-05-24T19:03:07 <wumpus> MarcoFalke: ok, thanks!
3522018-05-24T19:03:45 <wumpus> so please all review that PR ^^
3532018-05-24T19:04:25 <wumpus> especially the non-trivial backports
3542018-05-24T19:04:42 <MarcoFalke> With regard to the other high priority prs in the project: I think we can remove the one from BlueMatt for now
3552018-05-24T19:04:51 <jtimon> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12172 is a small thing, but it is a bugfix, perhaps it makes sense to backport it?
3562018-05-24T19:04:52 <MarcoFalke> And add next week when the rebase is done
3572018-05-24T19:05:09 <sipa> #12172
3582018-05-24T19:05:13 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12172 | Bugfix: RPC: savemempool: Dont save until LoadMempool() is finished by jtimon · Pull Request #12172 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3592018-05-24T19:05:34 <wumpus> I think we should focus on 0.16.1 now, we'll get around to the other high priority stuff again next week
3602018-05-24T19:05:36 <MarcoFalke> jtimon: that lead to a ton of issues in our tests
3612018-05-24T19:05:46 <MarcoFalke> I'd prefer we didn't backport that one
3622018-05-24T19:06:10 <wumpus> I don't think it's terribly urgent to backport, maybe for 0.16.2
3632018-05-24T19:06:13 <jamesob> is #12431 worth a backport?
3642018-05-24T19:06:15 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12431 | Only call NotifyBlockTip when chainActive changes by jamesob · Pull Request #12431 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3652018-05-24T19:06:26 <MarcoFalke> jamesob: What bug does it fix?
3662018-05-24T19:07:00 <jamesob> potentially incorrect behavior in waitforblockheight (and anything else relying on rpc/blockchain.cpp:latestblock)
3672018-05-24T19:07:02 <jtimon> MarcoFalke: ok, no hurry, good to know someone tried it, now I'm curious about the issues in the tests and I'll play with travis and the backport
3682018-05-24T19:07:20 <MarcoFalke> jamesob: waitforblockheight is a hidden tests-only rpc
3692018-05-24T19:07:23 <wumpus> potentially how bad?
3702018-05-24T19:07:25 <wumpus> oh
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3722018-05-24T19:08:22 <jnewbery> jtimon: #12863
3732018-05-24T19:08:23 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12863 | mempool_persist.py failing in travis · Issue #12863 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3742018-05-24T19:08:59 <jtimon> jnewbery: thanks
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3762018-05-24T19:09:42 <wumpus> other topics?
3772018-05-24T19:10:37 <sipa> i want to bring up #13298 briefly
3782018-05-24T19:10:39 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13298 | Net: Random delays *per network group* to obfuscate transaction time by naumenkogs · Pull Request #13298 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3792018-05-24T19:10:39 <wumpus> anything else important for 0.16.1 that still needs to be done?
3802018-05-24T19:10:49 <sipa> (not for 0.16.1, to be clear)
3812018-05-24T19:11:04 <wumpus> (no problem, that was an orthogonal question)
3822018-05-24T19:11:08 <wumpus> #topic Random delays *per network group* to obfuscate transaction time
3832018-05-24T19:11:45 <sipa> i want to bring it up because it's a possibly significant effect on P2P transaction relay
3842018-05-24T19:11:59 <sipa> and it needs review beyond "does the code work"
3852018-05-24T19:12:02 <wumpus> I haven't had chance to look at it yet
3862018-05-24T19:12:17 <sipa> but it's also just local policy and not something that warrants a BIP imho
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3882018-05-24T19:12:37 <wumpus> agree
3892018-05-24T19:12:55 <sipa> maybe there's not much more to say about that, just hoping to get people to think about it a bit
3902018-05-24T19:13:33 <wumpus> #action look at PR 13298
3912018-05-24T19:13:54 <wumpus> it's three days old, so people are excused not having an opinion on it yet :-)
3922018-05-24T19:14:09 <sipa> end topic :)
3932018-05-24T19:14:15 <cfields> thanks for bringing it up, I'll have a look as well...
3942018-05-24T19:14:23 <wumpus> other topics?
3952018-05-24T19:14:23 <cfields> it'd be nice to have a tool to model that kind of change, though.
3962018-05-24T19:14:47 <provoostenator> Topic suggestion: GUI prune setting
3972018-05-24T19:15:23 <wumpus> cfields: makes sense, maybe propose it in the PR
3982018-05-24T19:15:36 <wumpus> #topic GUI prune setting (provoostenator)
3992018-05-24T19:15:38 <provoostenator> AKA #13043
4002018-05-24T19:15:41 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13043 | [qt] OptionsDialog: add prune setting by Sjors · Pull Request #13043 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4012018-05-24T19:16:23 <jonasschnelli> Looks good,.. maybe orthogonal, but the prune settings should be in the intro...
4022018-05-24T19:16:26 <provoostenator> There's some confusion around whether using QT settings is appropriate for this, and I see three ways out.
4032018-05-24T19:16:29 <jonasschnelli> That's where it is probably most valuable
4042018-05-24T19:16:59 <provoostenator> 1. ignore the problem
4052018-05-24T19:17:02 <wumpus> I'm ok with most solutions, except writing to bitcoin.conf
4062018-05-24T19:17:12 <provoostenator> 2. go the writable config file route
4072018-05-24T19:17:13 <jonasschnelli> what wumpus sais
4082018-05-24T19:17:14 <kanzure> hi.
4092018-05-24T19:17:28 <provoostenator> 3. interpret a lack of prune= setting differently
4102018-05-24T19:18:15 <jonasschnelli> Can't the GUI settings not just override what is already set?
4112018-05-24T19:18:16 <instagibbs> (3) is interesting
4122018-05-24T19:18:33 <achow101> there currently are a few settings that are saved to qt settings that are shared between qt and bitcoind
4132018-05-24T19:18:40 <achow101> but bitcoind can't access
4142018-05-24T19:18:45 <provoostenator> If we go for (2) then I'd like to nominate #11082 for priority review
4152018-05-24T19:18:46 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11082 | Add new bitcoin_rw.conf file that is used for settings modified by this software itself by luke-jr · Pull Request #11082 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4162018-05-24T19:18:56 <jonasschnelli> If prune is set via confi/startip, disallow access in the GUI settings (only display it)
4172018-05-24T19:18:57 <achow101> so if we follow what has been done previously, then we ignore it
4182018-05-24T19:19:01 <wumpus> yes an additional writable config file would be fine
4192018-05-24T19:19:31 <jonasschnelli> Do we want four(!) levels of configuration?
4202018-05-24T19:19:35 <jimpo> What about augmenting the GUI to help you generate a default config file when none already exists?
4212018-05-24T19:19:37 <jonasschnelli> And eventually importing conf-files?
4222018-05-24T19:19:40 <wumpus> there have also been plans to add RPCs to change configuration settings, that'd require a similar thing, just don't write the -conf file it's just as likely to be in an read-only directory
4232018-05-24T19:20:23 <jonasschnelli> Would the rw_conf file be replacing the QSettings layer?
4242018-05-24T19:20:31 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: probably
4252018-05-24T19:20:31 <provoostenator> Right, I'd also like to get rid of QT settings completely and use a read-write (seperate) config file.
4262018-05-24T19:20:38 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: long term, at least
4272018-05-24T19:20:39 <jonasschnelli> That would be acceptable
4282018-05-24T19:20:58 <provoostenator> I wrote a migration away from QTSettings here: #12833
4292018-05-24T19:21:01 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12833 | [qt] move QSettings to bitcoin.conf where possible by Sjors · Pull Request #12833 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4302018-05-24T19:21:08 <jonasschnelli> But please not conf<->startup-cli-params<->QTSettings<->level4_rw_conf
4312018-05-24T19:21:14 <wumpus> nice
4322018-05-24T19:21:34 <jonasschnelli> Thanks provoostenator for working on that!
4332018-05-24T19:21:36 <achow101> since this is a problem that effects multiple options, can we just ignore the problem for now and deal with them all together at the same time with a better solution?
4342018-05-24T19:21:40 <wumpus> yes storing some of the settings in a different place has been problematic
4352018-05-24T19:21:54 <wumpus> (at least in the QSettings - because bitcoind can't get there)
4362018-05-24T19:22:00 <instagibbs> users could by and large be migrated over the rw unless they have a need for read-only
4372018-05-24T19:22:09 <instagibbs> for simplicity
4382018-05-24T19:22:09 <wumpus> the only thing that would idally be stored in the QSettings would be the data directory
4392018-05-24T19:22:22 <wumpus> well the bitcoin.conf is for human editing
4402018-05-24T19:22:28 <provoostenator> This migration would also work if it's done _after_ we add prune stuff to QTSettings.
4412018-05-24T19:22:35 <wumpus> the _rw is machine writable, all comments will be discarded etc
4422018-05-24T19:22:41 <instagibbs> ah hm
4432018-05-24T19:22:45 <jonasschnelli> yes
4442018-05-24T19:22:48 <provoostenator> But if we can get the proper solution over with, that might be better.
4452018-05-24T19:23:34 <jonasschnelli> For 12833 I'm also unsure about the term "Limit".
4462018-05-24T19:23:35 <wumpus> on the other hand, having things be dependent on each other is usually a bad idea, just draws out things
4472018-05-24T19:23:36 <jonasschnelli> Since this is not true
4482018-05-24T19:24:25 <provoostenator> jonasschnelli: what "Limit"?
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4502018-05-24T19:25:09 <jonasschnelli> provoostenator: 12833 currently tells user "Limit block storage to: " which is not true... though the tooptip hints towards the right handling.
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4522018-05-24T19:25:28 <wumpus> how is it not true?
4532018-05-24T19:25:47 <provoostenator> That's #13043
4542018-05-24T19:25:49 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13043 | [qt] OptionsDialog: add prune setting by Sjors · Pull Request #13043 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4552018-05-24T19:26:13 <provoostenator> Which I fixed, but screenshot is outdated.
4562018-05-24T19:26:28 <provoostenator> It's now "Prune &block storage to"
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4582018-05-24T19:26:45 <jonasschnelli> wumpus: AFAIK the 550MB assumption (if one sets 550) is still on 1MB blocks
4592018-05-24T19:26:56 <jonasschnelli> But 288min blocks & undos are enforced
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4612018-05-24T19:27:31 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: right, that's an issue for the command line help too though, I think?
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4632018-05-24T19:27:36 <jonasschnelli> but maybe we should fix that (if it turns out to be a problem) rathern then changing the word "limit" :)
4642018-05-24T19:27:42 <provoostenator> I'm not too worried about details of the text and minimum size. It's what we need to do about saving settings that seems to cause things to get stuck.
4652018-05-24T19:27:49 <jonasschnelli> Indeed
4662018-05-24T19:28:35 <wumpus> other topics?
4672018-05-24T19:28:41 <jonasschnelli> I also hoped we could educate the user withing the GUI a bit more about pruning... but can be done later via extending the intro.cpp
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4692018-05-24T19:29:27 <wumpus> right, let's focus on getting the functionality in first. I think educating the user is a good thing, but having the PR depend on all those things being worked out is going to put it way past 0.17 probably.
4702018-05-24T19:29:54 <jonasschnelli> I have a short topic: sipa raised concerns about the scantxoutset RPC command
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4732018-05-24T19:30:24 <jonasschnelli> (if that is something we want to discuss here)
4742018-05-24T19:30:45 <wumpus> so the feature freeze for 0.17 is 2018-07-16, less than two months away
4752018-05-24T19:31:02 <provoostenator> Also note that I don't think Mac shows the intro dialog.
4762018-05-24T19:31:08 <wumpus> #topic scantxoutset RPC command (jonasschnelli)
4772018-05-24T19:31:14 <jonasschnelli> provoostenator: it does at least for me
4782018-05-24T19:31:18 <wumpus> provoostenator: it should!
4792018-05-24T19:31:24 <jonasschnelli> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12196#pullrequestreview-121570579
4802018-05-24T19:31:40 <provoostenator> jonasschnelli: ok, maybe I need to delete more stuff for it to appear.
4812018-05-24T19:31:56 <jonasschnelli> Before continuing on #12196 we may want to discuss it it makes sense to have a scantxoutset command
4822018-05-24T19:31:59 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12196 | Add scantxoutset RPC method by jonasschnelli · Pull Request #12196 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4832018-05-24T19:32:03 <wumpus> you need to delete -whereever it stores the qsettings on Mac-
4842018-05-24T19:32:31 <wumpus> on UNIX you can pass the flag -resetguisettings but that's not easy on Mac I think
4852018-05-24T19:32:42 <jonasschnelli> (works on mac as well)
4862018-05-24T19:33:00 <wumpus> good :)
4872018-05-24T19:33:22 <provoostenator> Resetting gui settings didn't do it for me, but will debug some other time.
4882018-05-24T19:33:24 <achow101> jonasschnelli: what is the command supposed to do?
4892018-05-24T19:33:26 <jonasschnelli> The scan functionality allows utxo sweeping (rawsweeptransaction) with no block scanning
4902018-05-24T19:33:49 <jonasschnelli> You can pass in n pubkeys/addresses or even xpubs with a lookup window and it gives you back all unspents
4912018-05-24T19:33:56 <sipa> yeah i just mentioned that we preferably don't commit to having functionality that's hard to maintain in the future
4922018-05-24T19:33:58 <jonasschnelli> And eben a rawsweeptransaction to a single address
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5182018-05-24T19:34:17 <sipa> fun.
5192018-05-24T19:34:18 <instagibbs> err what
5202018-05-24T19:34:21 <wumpus> services massacre
5212018-05-24T19:34:23 <cfields> irc unicorns...
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5242018-05-24T19:34:55 <cfields> let's move to slack!
5252018-05-24T19:34:59 <cfields> (/s)
5262018-05-24T19:35:06 <wumpus> :-(
5272018-05-24T19:35:06 * jonasschnelli stabs cfields
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5322018-05-24T19:36:27 <sipa> back to topic?
5332018-05-24T19:36:29 <sipa> yeah i just mentioned that we preferably don't commit to having functionality that's hard to maintain in the future
5342018-05-24T19:36:30 <jonasschnelli> Yes. I think sipa's point is a valid point. Do we want to maintain something that may be incompatible with future utxo handling (or new model=
5352018-05-24T19:36:32 <provoostenator> Such functionality seems quite useful for watch-only stuff
5362018-05-24T19:36:42 <provoostenator> Without actually having to import things into a wallet.
5372018-05-24T19:36:53 <sipa> which isn't a problem if it were implemented on top of an optional index
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5392018-05-24T19:37:36 <jimpo> sipa: is the optional index a full scriptPubKey index?
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5412018-05-24T19:37:52 <provoostenator> But without caching of some sort (or an index?) I'm guessing it'd be very slow.
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5432018-05-24T19:37:57 <jimpo> or something less than that?
5442018-05-24T19:38:10 <jonasschnelli> sipa: what if we allow it for now an mention in the RN it may later require an optional index?
5452018-05-24T19:38:41 <sipa> yes, perhaps
5462018-05-24T19:38:44 <jonasschnelli> provoostenator: 30seconds for the whole index with an xpub & 1000 keys lookup window on a SSD/fastCPU machine
5472018-05-24T19:38:51 <jimpo> Or just have an explicit flag enabling the RPC now, even if it requires no additional index at present?
5482018-05-24T19:38:54 <jonasschnelli> *whole set
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5522018-05-24T19:39:15 <sipa> yeah, that seems fine
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5552018-05-24T19:39:30 <sipa> i do see the usefulness of scanning the UTXO set
5562018-05-24T19:39:38 <provoostenator> All the way back to the genesis block?
5572018-05-24T19:39:48 <jonasschnelli> jimpo: yes. But feels a bit after artificially holding back functions due to possible future work (which may never happen)
5582018-05-24T19:39:51 <sipa> provoostenator: it scans the UTXO set, not the blockchain
5592018-05-24T19:39:53 <wumpus> yes, scanning the utxo set would be incredibly useful
5602018-05-24T19:40:03 <wumpus> I've wanted this functionality since forever really
5612018-05-24T19:40:18 <provoostenator> Ah OK, it just gets unspends, not transaction history. Well that's still quite useful indeed.
5622018-05-24T19:40:27 <jonasschnelli> I wanted that in master before the fork-coins happend. :)
5632018-05-24T19:40:54 <wumpus> even if slow it's so much faster than scanning the entire chain
5642018-05-24T19:41:01 <wumpus> (without index)
5652018-05-24T19:41:07 <jonasschnelli> it would also allow importing wallets (no rescan required) if one don't care about the tx history
5662018-05-24T19:41:39 <wumpus> using importprunedfunds I guess?
5672018-05-24T19:42:06 <jonasschnelli> Yes..
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5692018-05-24T19:43:02 <jonasschnelli> conclusion? Hide behind an artificial block-setting or risk it will not maintainable over time?
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5712018-05-24T19:43:48 <jimpo> I think it's probably fine to risk it not being maintainable over time without an explicit index
5722018-05-24T19:44:19 <jonasschnelli> Yes. I would feel okay with that...
5732018-05-24T19:44:45 <jonasschnelli> Let me mention that risk in the RN and fix the PR in general /topic
5742018-05-24T19:44:50 <wumpus> so it will just become slower due to the linear scan?
5752018-05-24T19:44:53 <provoostenator> By "not being maintainable over time" do you mean if the UTXO set gets really large or is it a code maintenance things?
5762018-05-24T19:45:06 <jonasschnelli> from sipa:
5772018-05-24T19:45:07 <jonasschnelli> Overall, I'm unsure about this. This is functionality that is more easily provided by software that maintains a UTXO index by script, and is not possible in general if we'd move to a design like UHF (see mailinglist) or other UTXO avoidance techniques. Those are far away of course, and features like this can be made optional (like txindex is) if needed. I'm just generally unconvinced a full node is the best place to put
5782018-05-24T19:45:07 <jonasschnelli> this.
5792018-05-24T19:45:10 <wumpus> or is this 'unmaintainable' as in 'will give wumpus more headaches'?
5802018-05-24T19:45:22 <jonasschnelli> no.. changes of the general model
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5822018-05-24T19:45:39 <sipa> wumpus: in a UHF model, without indexes, implementing a scan of the UTXO set requires going through the blockchain
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5842018-05-24T19:46:03 <sipa> (where we store hashes of UTXOs rather than the UTXOs themselves)
5852018-05-24T19:46:08 <instagibbs> sipa, searchable index has been tried a few times, and sadly dropped, something like 3 times
5862018-05-24T19:46:12 <wumpus> sipa: so that's a far future thing right?
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5882018-05-24T19:46:15 <instagibbs> not saying it's not the right way
5892018-05-24T19:46:28 <sipa> instagibbs: yes, my preference is that's implemented in other software
5902018-05-24T19:46:51 <jcorgan> i bet there's a dozen private implementations of tx/addr external indexing for xpub related things
5912018-05-24T19:47:10 <wumpus> I'd really like a way to scan UTXOs, my own appraoch was to stream the UTXO set over HTTP and do it client-side, but that ran into problems with the libevent http server :(
5922018-05-24T19:47:26 <jonasschnelli> Yes. But there is no fast access to the UTXO set from outside of our code-base IMO
5932018-05-24T19:47:36 <jcorgan> i do it with zmq notifications and the REST interface
5942018-05-24T19:47:46 * jonasschnelli curses zmq
5952018-05-24T19:47:56 <jcorgan> you're welcome :-)
5962018-05-24T19:47:57 * wumpus still wants to resurrect #7759 some day
5972018-05-24T19:48:00 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/7759 | [WIP] rest: Stream entire utxo set by laanwj · Pull Request #7759 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5982018-05-24T19:48:18 <achow101> I've taken to modifying gettxoutsetinfo whenever I need to scan the utxo set. takes like 20 minutes though to scan the whole thing
5992018-05-24T19:48:21 <jonasschnelli> interesting... almost forgotten
6002018-05-24T19:48:28 <provoostenator> In this future where "we store hashes of UTXOs rather than the UTXOs themselves", wouldn't there simply be an optional "index" with the UTXO, which this RPC method could then move to?
6012018-05-24T19:48:43 <jonasschnelli> achow101: only if you are in debug mode? right... takes 30secs here
6022018-05-24T19:48:45 <wumpus> provoostenator: yes... exactly... I say it's a problem/option for then
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6042018-05-24T19:49:12 <provoostenator> We'd have to make it clear that in the future the method would / might require an index.
6052018-05-24T19:49:26 <achow101> jonasschnelli: I think it was the operations I was doing, or my slow hdd
6062018-05-24T19:49:28 <wumpus> achow101: on ARM it's pretty slow (but still faster than scanning the whole chain!)
6072018-05-24T19:49:28 <sipa> it's the same issue as we had with txindex
6082018-05-24T19:49:41 <sipa> people build solution that assume txindex is always there... then we moved to a UTXO model
6092018-05-24T19:50:08 <sipa> and txindex became an inefficient optional thing
6102018-05-24T19:50:08 <wumpus> we can even deprecate the RPC then
6112018-05-24T19:50:14 <achow101> sipa: then it will be the same situation as getrawtransaction
6122018-05-24T19:50:49 <jimpo> with #13243, it should become less costly to build future indexes in the background...
6132018-05-24T19:50:50 <wumpus> I don't think we should reject useful, optional, functionality just because of some future data structure change
6142018-05-24T19:50:51 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13243 | Make reusable base class for auxiliary indices by jimpo · Pull Request #13243 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
6152018-05-24T19:50:52 <sipa> achow101: my concern is not the incompatibility
6162018-05-24T19:51:07 <sipa> achow101: my concern is people building an ecosystem that assumes it's always possible and cheap to do
6172018-05-24T19:51:43 <sipa> but okay, i agree with the points here
6182018-05-24T19:52:07 <wumpus> sipa: I agree with that in general, but I'm not sure here
6192018-05-24T19:52:12 <jonasschnelli> jimpo: great work!
6202018-05-24T19:52:17 <provoostenator> The fact that it takes 30 seconds is helpful in that case. :-)
6212018-05-24T19:52:17 <jcorgan> if we want to encourage people to treat bitcoind as the "ground truth", instead of baking up their own stuff, giving them easier access to the "database" would help
6222018-05-24T19:52:49 <sipa> jcorgan: yes... except that the ground truth in the future may not be the UTXO set
6232018-05-24T19:53:06 <provoostenator> jcorgan: that too, would be nice to be able to get easy to export dumps of useful things, though not should what format.
6242018-05-24T19:53:08 <jcorgan> sure, but anything can happen in the future
6252018-05-24T19:53:17 <wumpus> sure, but anything can happen in the future <- that
6262018-05-24T19:53:21 <jonasschnelli> jimpo: the question is, if we not want to build a base for an external indexing daemon (outside of the Core project)
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6282018-05-24T19:53:45 <wumpus> in any case this is hard to do out-of-process right now!
6292018-05-24T19:53:48 <wumpus> even harder than indexing
6302018-05-24T19:53:52 <jcorgan> i'd be happy with that, too, instead of making everyone else recreate it
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6322018-05-24T19:54:05 <jonasschnelli> wumpus: Indeed
6332018-05-24T19:54:10 <sipa> it's also less a concern to add optional indexes now with jimpo's background index work
6342018-05-24T19:54:24 <sipa> before, new indexes always required ugly hacks all over the validation code
6352018-05-24T19:54:30 <wumpus> nice!
6362018-05-24T19:54:32 <jimpo> My guess is there will be ongoing tension between adding RPC functionality and keeping the node requirements small unless there are more options for users
6372018-05-24T19:54:33 <jcorgan> yes
6382018-05-24T19:54:46 <echeveria> it's a really bad idea to add an address index.
6392018-05-24T19:54:47 <provoostenator> Not too mention that you couldn't turn on/off txindex without reindexing everything.
6402018-05-24T19:54:52 <instagibbs> jimpo, an rpc call in every garage!
6412018-05-24T19:54:56 <jcorgan> i used to maintain the addrindex patch set and it got uglier and uglier over time
6422018-05-24T19:54:58 <echeveria> it means people will willyfully build insane systems.
6432018-05-24T19:55:02 <jimpo> haha
6442018-05-24T19:55:05 <sipa> echeveria: yes :(
6452018-05-24T19:55:06 <jonasschnelli> echeveria: agree
6462018-05-24T19:55:12 <sipa> but i fear they'll do so anyway
6472018-05-24T19:55:15 <echeveria> rather than sane, scalable things that don't require an ever growing index.
6482018-05-24T19:55:41 <jimpo> I tend to agree a better solution is to have a separate indexing service that doesn't do consensus but maintains the full chain state
6492018-05-24T19:55:42 <jonasschnelli> The question is, is it faster to index everything or to have Core running with 10k wallets
6502018-05-24T19:55:54 <jcorgan> +1 jimpo
6512018-05-24T19:55:54 <jimpo> and gets blocks via zmq
6522018-05-24T19:55:59 <sipa> decent wallet software shouldn't ever need to scan
6532018-05-24T19:56:04 <sipa> except for recovery
6542018-05-24T19:56:09 <jcorgan> i want to let bitcoind do the hard stuff (validation)
6552018-05-24T19:56:27 <jcorgan> but then i want to easily get at all the validated data
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6572018-05-24T19:56:38 <wumpus> maybe it never *needs* to, but there are legit situations in which it's useful as a tool
6582018-05-24T19:56:43 <sipa> sure!
6592018-05-24T19:58:10 <jonasschnelli> jimpo: fork Core, ripout the validation stuff and you have an indexing daemon you can connect to your core node over p2p
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6612018-05-24T19:58:31 <sipa> having a way to disable validation would also help with that :)
6622018-05-24T19:58:40 <sipa> anyway, this is turning into a philosophical discussion
6632018-05-24T19:58:40 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: why not use your indexing daemon?
6642018-05-24T19:58:57 <wumpus> yes, I think we're through the meeting
6652018-05-24T19:59:06 <jonasschnelli> wumpus: maybe. Not sure if we want another p2p library introduced
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6672018-05-24T19:59:21 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: not into bitcoin core, I mean as external thing
6682018-05-24T19:59:27 <wumpus> #endmeeting
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6742018-05-24T19:59:39 <jonasschnelli> wumpus: yes. But even there we may want to reuse the primitives...
6752018-05-24T20:00:06 <jonasschnelli> or maybe its good to use another library to find things we would not find using the same core code
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6782018-05-24T20:02:00 <jimpo> yeah, I think diversity at the P2P layer is healthy, using the same validation engine
6792018-05-24T20:02:11 <jimpo> and some can have features requiring additional indexes
6802018-05-24T20:02:46 <jimpo> speaking of which, what were you saying about the BIP 158 compression ratios, sipa?
6812018-05-24T20:03:08 <sipa> jimpo: sec
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6832018-05-24T20:04:30 <wumpus> jimpo: rust P2P layer? *ducks*
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6852018-05-24T20:04:39 <jimpo> of course
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6872018-05-24T20:04:44 <jimpo> :-)
6882018-05-24T20:06:07 <sipa> jimpo: so say you have a set of N elements
6892018-05-24T20:06:18 <sipa> (after deduplication)
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6912018-05-24T20:06:47 <sipa> this means you have a list of N entries, each in range 0..2^20*N-1, whose order does not matter
6922018-05-24T20:07:06 <sipa> the number of combinations for that is (2^20*N)^N / N!
6932018-05-24T20:07:39 <sipa> (approximately; this formula ignores that there may be duplicates among those N, but that chance is low)
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6962018-05-24T20:08:36 <sipa> this means that information theoretically, you need at least log2((2^20*N)^N / N!) bits in total
6972018-05-24T20:08:47 <sipa> otherwise you couldn't express every combination
6982018-05-24T20:09:53 <sipa> for N=10000, that number is 214419 bits, or 21.4419 bits per element
6992018-05-24T20:10:35 <provoostenator> When I do "bitcoin-cli -config=/the/usual/place -datadir=/some/other/place getblockheight" it creates a folder /some/other/place/wallets
7002018-05-24T20:10:54 <sipa> jimpo: a GCS implementation will use 21.5819 bits on average
7012018-05-24T20:11:05 <jimpo> oh, interesting
7022018-05-24T20:11:06 <provoostenator> Even if the RPC connection fails.
7032018-05-24T20:11:33 <jimpo> (damn it small graphs on Wolfram Alpha)
7042018-05-24T20:12:19 <sipa> jimpo: what i don't know is if there's isn't another probabilistic data structure that has a 1/2^P false postive rate which needs less information
7052018-05-24T20:12:42 <sipa> but at least any construction that follows from compressing a list of N elements in range 0...2^20*N will at least need 21.4419
7062018-05-24T20:13:29 <jimpo> thanks for the explanation
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7082018-05-24T20:14:16 <sipa> but this is *really* good
7092018-05-24T20:14:26 <jimpo> yeah, seems GCS is doing very well
7102018-05-24T20:14:37 <sipa> less than 1% overhead above the theoretical minimum
7112018-05-24T20:15:33 <jimpo> I've been thinking a bit about tuning the P value. Kind of unfortunate that it's static.
7122018-05-24T20:15:44 <sipa> even at just 100 elements, GCS has less than 1% overhead
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7152018-05-24T20:18:21 <sipa> at a false positive rate of 1/2^10 it's close to 1.5% overhead
7162018-05-24T20:20:06 <sipa> gmaxwell and i were looking at whether a better custom entropy coder could do better than GCS, but then he pointed out to me that the limit isn't 20 bits per element, and that your numbers looked suspiciously close to the limit already
7172018-05-24T20:20:43 <jimpo> what is a custom entropy coder?
7182018-05-24T20:21:02 <sipa> not using golomb-rice coding but something custom that could get us closer to the theoretical limit
7192018-05-24T20:21:27 <sipa> it's certainly possible with a range coder
7202018-05-24T20:21:42 <sipa> though that would be complex and computationally expensive
7212018-05-24T20:22:28 <sipa> and now that it looks like golomb coding is so close to optimal already, it doesn't look worth looking into
7222018-05-24T20:22:37 <jimpo> out of curiosity, have you looked at PFOR/FastPFOR for integer sequence compression?
7232018-05-24T20:22:49 <sipa> i have never heard about those
7242018-05-24T20:22:50 <jimpo> I was experimenting with it yesterday for compression header values
7252018-05-24T20:23:01 <jimpo> and it gets pretty amazing results
7262018-05-24T20:25:34 <jimpo> if you take all off the versions in a 3,000 header range in a sequence, and do the same for timestamps, bits, and nonces, it compresses all of them together by ~90%
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7282018-05-24T20:25:48 <jimpo> can even compress sequences of nonces 75% on average
7292018-05-24T20:27:50 <echeveria> that seems kind of unlikely.
7302018-05-24T20:29:10 <jimpo> yeah, that's what I thought. but I tried decompressing some of the ranges and it seems to work?
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7332018-05-24T20:35:07 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TronBlack opened pull request #13318: Remove legacy verification (master...Remove-legacy-verification) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13318
7342018-05-24T20:35:29 <echeveria> lol
7352018-05-24T20:35:58 <echeveria> what on earth happened there. 30 second old pull request with 2 month old comments.
7362018-05-24T20:36:17 <harding> echeveria: the comments are on the specific commits, not the PR itself.
7372018-05-24T20:36:37 <echeveria> ah, github presents that confusingly.
7382018-05-24T20:39:55 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TronBlack closed pull request #13318: Remove legacy verification (master...Remove-legacy-verification) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13318
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7412018-05-24T20:48:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #13319: gui: Backport bech32 checkbox (0.16...Mf1805-016ForBackportGui) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13319
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7522018-05-24T21:25:39 <phantomcircuit> i've got a reeeeally old wallet
7532018-05-24T21:25:55 <phantomcircuit> the result of getbalance doesn't match the sum of all amounts in listtransactions "*" 1000000
7542018-05-24T21:26:03 <phantomcircuit> seems like a bug
7552018-05-24T21:27:04 <sipa> any unconfirmed transactions/
7562018-05-24T21:28:28 <phantomcircuit> sipa, nope
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7582018-05-24T21:28:58 <phantomcircuit> possibly it's cause it's all the dust that someone was flooding a while ago?
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7602018-05-24T21:30:24 <sipa> you're calling getbalance, not getbalance "", right/
7612018-05-24T21:31:48 <sipa> jimpo: it seems PFOR assumes integers are sorted?
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7632018-05-24T21:32:42 <sipa> oh, or just the benchmark
7642018-05-24T21:35:13 <phantomcircuit> sipa, im running git master so the accounts stuff has been removed
7652018-05-24T21:35:19 <phantomcircuit> and im using the multi wallet support
7662018-05-24T21:35:26 <phantomcircuit> i guess i need to test this on stable
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7692018-05-24T21:41:14 <phantomcircuit> sipa, hmm listunspent matches getbalance of course
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7722018-05-24T21:51:00 <phantomcircuit> sipa, that wasn't it
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7752018-05-24T21:52:41 <phantomcircuit> the sum of the amounts field in listtransactions nominally should match getbalance i believe
7762018-05-24T21:53:42 <gmaxwell> coinjoins fuxor that no?
7772018-05-24T21:55:26 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, shouldn't i dont think
7782018-05-24T21:56:19 <gmaxwell> when you 'sum amounts' how are you handling fees?
7792018-05-24T21:56:54 <phantomcircuit> hmm maybe it's that let me check
7802018-05-24T21:58:43 <phantomcircuit> derp yeah that was it
7812018-05-24T21:58:52 <gmaxwell> Next customer!
7822018-05-24T21:59:11 <sipa> queue = rotl(queue, 1)
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