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382018-08-15T03:45:41 <Jmabsd> there's a weird claim at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script#Constants that null outputs must have amount == 0 to be relayed. is it so?
392018-08-15T03:48:02 <luke-jr> Jmabsd: I don't see what you're referring to
402018-08-15T03:53:45 <Jmabsd> luke-jr: wrong url sorry, here! https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-guide#standard-transactions
412018-08-15T03:53:50 <Jmabsd> "Bitcoin Core 0.12.0 defaults to relaying and mining null data outputs with up to 83 bytes with any number of data pushes, provided the total byte limit is not exceeded. There must still only be a single null data output and it must still pay exactly 0 satoshis."
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432018-08-15T03:54:07 <sipa> that's correct
442018-08-15T03:54:18 <Jmabsd> luke-jr: see there, this doc says a NULL data output (scriptpubkey = "OP_RETURN and a constant") must have amount == 0
452018-08-15T03:54:30 <Jmabsd> where did the amount == 0 requirement come from, what if I like to *BURN*?
462018-08-15T03:54:39 <Jmabsd> where in the core code is this?
472018-08-15T03:54:45 <sipa> there are plenty of other ways to burn
482018-08-15T03:54:54 <Jmabsd> i don't want to TXFEE it
492018-08-15T03:55:22 <Jmabsd> so i have a transaction with one null output. what's the easiest way to add a solid burn logic here?
502018-08-15T03:55:23 <sipa> this has nothing to do with fees
512018-08-15T03:55:36 <sipa> you still pay fees for null data outputs
522018-08-15T03:55:59 <Jmabsd> sipa: an alternative way to burn would be to just mismatch the input txo's amount and the sum of the null data output and the change output:s amounts right
532018-08-15T03:56:03 <Jmabsd> right i know
542018-08-15T03:56:09 <sipa> Jmabsd: that would be creating fee
552018-08-15T03:56:16 <Jmabsd> however this burn scheme is not a miner funding scheme.
562018-08-15T03:56:26 <sipa> you can burn in other ways
572018-08-15T03:56:30 <sipa> just send to an invalid pubkey
582018-08-15T03:56:33 <Jmabsd> would you make a P2SH output that either can't be redeemed, or that contained OP_RETURN?
592018-08-15T03:56:44 <Jmabsd> what's a mathemathically proven ever-invalid pubkey :)
602018-08-15T03:56:49 <sipa> this discussion is more appropriate for #bitcoin or https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com
612018-08-15T03:56:56 <luke-jr> sipa: that spams up the UTXO set forever though :<
622018-08-15T03:57:00 <Jmabsd> arr, i'll sign up later.
632018-08-15T03:57:12 <Jmabsd> what has the rationale been for enforcing amount == 0 on null data outputs?
642018-08-15T03:57:21 <Jmabsd> may it be lifted in the future?
652018-08-15T03:57:32 <luke-jr> Jmabsd: make a PR and see if it gets merged?
662018-08-15T03:57:33 <sipa> you can change the code and run it yourself
672018-08-15T03:57:43 <sipa> and convince others to run it
682018-08-15T03:57:45 <sipa> or that
692018-08-15T03:57:45 <Jmabsd> luke-jr: yes good point.
702018-08-15T03:58:07 <Jmabsd> where is the amount == 0 check in the code?
712018-08-15T03:59:40 <Jmabsd> sipa: thank you for emphasising that i should post this kind of Q online, that indeed is way better for knowledge conservation, i'll intend to do it in a while.
722018-08-15T03:59:51 <Jmabsd> do you have an example of a provably-unspendable pubkey? :-}
732018-08-15T04:00:50 <sipa> Jmabsd: if you ask on stackexchange, i promise i'll personally answer it
742018-08-15T04:01:27 <sipa> i can't actually find the 0-value requirement in the code
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762018-08-15T04:02:07 <Jmabsd> sipa: exactly, i'm rading the relay code and can't find it too. so i was thinking maybe that bitcoin.org article is bss*ahem*incorrect*ahem*obsolete.
772018-08-15T04:03:14 <sipa> i would expect it to be here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/policy/policy.cpp
782018-08-15T04:03:17 <sipa> but it isn't
792018-08-15T04:03:38 <Jmabsd> "grep -r "amount == 0" *" gives nothing.
802018-08-15T04:04:04 <sipa> the amount of a CTxOut object is called nValue, so you'd at least need to look for that
812018-08-15T04:04:54 <Jmabsd> nothing.
822018-08-15T04:05:14 <Jmabsd> i would think that Bitcoin accomodated burn already, that's why i was so surprised to see that comment in that bitcoin.org article.
832018-08-15T04:05:46 <Jmabsd> very well. thanks for confirming. i'll presume the article was all incorrect.
842018-08-15T04:05:50 <Jmabsd> in this particular question.
852018-08-15T04:08:01 <sipa> i believe that's the case
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912018-08-15T06:09:23 <fanquake> wumpus How'd you go with lxc 3 and getting your new gitian build setup sorted? I've been meaning to switch for the 0.17 builds.
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942018-08-15T06:48:59 <jonasschnelli> fanquake: I compiled LXC 2.1 (or similar) on debian stretch and it worked flawless
952018-08-15T06:49:25 <jonasschnelli> haven't tried 3 (since the 2.something version should also work)
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1202018-08-15T09:25:58 <fanquake> jonasschnelli thanks, I'll play around with it later tonight.
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1392018-08-15T10:33:51 <jonasschnelli> Is GetTime() to expansive to call on every message decryption?
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1552018-08-15T13:00:22 <wumpus> fanquake: it worked great, I have succesfully built for linux, mac and windows, and tested the linux build on ARM32
1562018-08-15T13:01:11 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: on linux time-related functions are fast because they bypass syscalls (using a DSO), on some other operating systems that will be hellishly slow though; so you'd probably want to avoid caling time functions too often
1572018-08-15T13:01:32 <fanquake> wumpus nice
1582018-08-15T13:03:58 <fanquake> Unsure how a readme got added with a bunch of references to open PRs? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13981#issuecomment-413190203 Not sure if they should be removed or not
1592018-08-15T13:04:41 <wumpus> I've used debian 9, https://gist.github.com/laanwj/c62e101bfd68718f0686926dfd10666b
1602018-08-15T13:04:48 <jonasschnelli> thanks wumpus
1612018-08-15T13:05:43 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: I remember we had one of the tests that called a time function in an inner loop, no problem on linux, on wine though this was terrible
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1632018-08-15T13:20:37 <fanquake> wumpus any particular reason for debootstrap 1.0.95 vs 1.0.106 ?
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1652018-08-15T13:22:27 <fanquake> sorry disregard that, I think I see why.
1662018-08-15T13:26:42 <wumpus> it's the ubuntu version, likely the newer one will work too if it includes bionic
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1692018-08-15T13:40:31 <wumpus> if you get it to work with a newer version I'll update the gist
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1782018-08-15T14:20:20 <wumpus> huh my freebsd build on master broke
1792018-08-15T14:20:53 <wumpus> not sure this is a local issue (it appears that autoconf/automake was updated) or something with the tree
1802018-08-15T14:23:31 <wumpus> I'll try building the revision that worked before
1812018-08-15T14:24:33 <wumpus> --fails too, so no need to be concerned with this for rc1
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1842018-08-15T14:41:40 <wumpus> for some reason, --disable-dependency-tracking works around the issue
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1882018-08-15T15:12:47 <wumpus> I guess we're close to being able to tag rc1?
1892018-08-15T15:20:01 <jamesob> pretty big spike in memory usage since Jul 31 https://bitcoinperf.com/timeline/#/?exe=3,4,2,1&base=1+23&ben=ibd.local.522000.dbcache=2048.mem-usage&env=1&revs=50&equid=off&quarts=on&extr=on
1902018-08-15T15:20:41 <jamesob> if anyone has any inklings as to why, I'm investigating
1912018-08-15T15:21:29 <wumpus> interesting -- is that correlated to a certain commit?
1922018-08-15T15:21:48 <jamesob> wumpus: trying to bisect atm
1932018-08-15T15:23:42 <jamesob> (the benchmarks were down for most of aug)
1942018-08-15T15:24:09 <gmaxwell> jamesob: awesome.
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1972018-08-15T15:28:25 <wumpus> jamesob: thanks! I guess logs / reflog might be able to give that information as well
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1992018-08-15T15:29:57 <gmaxwell> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13657 I don't understand this change. Coinbase transactions can be conflicted, by being orphaned block. I guess GetDepthInMainChain doesn't return negative in the case, but I think it probably should.
2002018-08-15T15:30:11 <gmaxwell> Am I missing something?
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2022018-08-15T15:43:25 <gmaxwell> I don't see any PR merged in that time span whos description makes me go "duh, obviously that would increase memory usage"
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2052018-08-15T15:47:47 <jamesob> largest change seems to be https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f030410e88f11c5ff1ce6c80b463a1c7f6d39830
2062018-08-15T15:48:36 <jamesob> wonder if it's something hiding in there
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2082018-08-15T15:50:03 <jamesob> unexpected symptom of the src/span.h changes?
2092018-08-15T15:56:47 <gmaxwell> I don't think there is a replacement for bisecting here.
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2112018-08-15T16:11:12 <wumpus> gmaxwell: don't know about *should*, but it returns 0 when the block is not in the main chain, e.g. in CMerkleTx::GetDepthInMainChain:
2122018-08-15T16:11:15 <wumpus> if (!pindex || !chainActive.Contains(pindex))
2132018-08-15T16:11:18 <wumpus> return 0;
2142018-08-15T16:17:56 <wumpus> so at least the assert is valid and won't result in random crashes !
2152018-08-15T16:18:19 <wumpus> I'm also not sure whether it really is very useful
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