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62018-10-09T00:48:23 <meshcollider> promag: it seems like that is the only one he has commented on
72018-10-09T00:48:32 <meshcollider> other than one review and one utACK on other PRs
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152018-10-09T01:13:08 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, i believe leveldb is designed to survive sudden power loss
162018-10-09T01:13:34 <phantomcircuit> however in general the rpi series of hardware randomly corrupts sdcards
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182018-10-09T01:17:56 <gmaxwell> echoing what phantomcircuit said, I left a system going on a perpetual reindex loop for months with a remote power switch killing the system every one in a while, and never corrupted anything.
192018-10-09T01:18:27 <gmaxwell> but if your SD card or whatever goes spamming nonsense in unrelated places when its power cut during a write than nothing reasonable is going to save it.
202018-10-09T01:19:39 <esotericnonsense> so unless i'm just being really daft one issue with RPi is that it's not obvious that it's even off.
212018-10-09T01:20:13 <esotericnonsense> on my RPi2 if you issue a shutdown then the LEDs etc. externally look the same whether it's fully booted but not doing anything, or shutdown but with power connected.
222018-10-09T01:20:50 <esotericnonsense> if you have say, a screen connected to i2c it'll keep power and persist whatever was displayed on it
232018-10-09T01:21:52 <esotericnonsense> i wouldn't be surprised if people (including me) without even knowing pull the plug whilst it's mid-write because there is no 'simple' way of knowing you can unplug power now
242018-10-09T01:22:22 <phantomcircuit> esotericnonsense, the issue with the rpi's isn't so much about sudden power off without shutdown events, but rather that during power off they seem to write gibberish to the sdcard randomyl
252018-10-09T01:22:41 <esotericnonsense> nice. don't think i've ever had that but then, i wouldn't know. :P
262018-10-09T01:22:56 <phantomcircuit> i've seen systems where everything was set readonly come back up with corrupt sdcards
272018-10-09T01:23:19 <phantomcircuit> and yeah most of the time you wouldn't notice because it's corrupted something irrelevant
282018-10-09T01:23:49 <esotericnonsense> i have zfs on an sdcard here. haven't tried scrubbing it. that might be fun. not on the rpi though. can't be arsed.
292018-10-09T01:25:17 <phantomcircuit> the rpi's specifically seem to trash sdcards
302018-10-09T01:25:22 <phantomcircuit> i honestly have no idea why
312018-10-09T01:30:58 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: I dunno if that's rpi's fault as much as just SDcards being ... consumer hardware.
322018-10-09T01:33:38 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i've had it happen with cards that were fine in other applications
332018-10-09T01:33:56 <phantomcircuit> like in an apu2 as the main filesystem where i forgot to reduce the volume of log messages
342018-10-09T01:34:05 <phantomcircuit> but then that card instantly failed in an rpi3
352018-10-09T01:34:23 <TD-Linux> rpi runs its cards at 3.3v
362018-10-09T01:34:48 <TD-Linux> so they tend to run hotter than systems that crank it down to 1.8v
372018-10-09T01:34:57 <TD-Linux> that said, 3.3v is totally in spec.
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402018-10-09T01:41:00 <jb55> my rpi has killed like 3 sdcards so far
412018-10-09T01:43:37 <TD-Linux> it also does help to get more expensive ones in my experience.
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442018-10-09T01:47:54 <tradermyx> If the "wallet/blabla.dat" part is used for a non-wallet-specific call, it will still work, right? The "documentation" is very vague on this, but I don't wanna have to keep track of what kind of call it is for no good reason.
452018-10-09T01:48:09 <tradermyx> And I assume only the basename() is to be used for the "wallet name", since it can now be a path since v0.17?
462018-10-09T01:48:57 <sipa> tradermyx: what do you mean with "usin" part of a wallet name on a non-wallet-sprcific call?
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482018-10-09T01:50:32 <phantomcircuit> sipa, iirc bitcoin-cli accepts a -- style parameter
492018-10-09T01:53:39 <tradermyx> No... Talking about the API.
502018-10-09T01:53:49 <tradermyx> With the RPC URL having that added to it.
512018-10-09T01:54:36 <sipa> tradermyx: all non-wallet RPCs are included in the wallet-specific URLs
522018-10-09T01:55:03 <tradermyx> Good...
532018-10-09T01:55:37 <phantomcircuit> ooh
542018-10-09T01:55:45 <phantomcircuit> hmm maybe that's what bitcoin-cli is doing
552018-10-09T01:56:26 <sipa> phantomcircuit: yes, if you specify -rpcwallet it changes the URL
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592018-10-09T02:09:17 <phantomcircuit> sipa, are people still in tokyo?
602018-10-09T02:11:12 <sipa> yes
612018-10-09T02:11:30 <kanzure> discussing wallet stuff at the moment
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642018-10-09T02:26:48 <echeveria> TD-Linux: better advice is just not to try to run bitcoind on a RPI in general, itâs a miserable experience and doesnât really serve any purpose. coin selection alone takes tens of seconds.
652018-10-09T02:27:59 <echeveria> itâs something close to a denial of service attack on the network to have people encouraged to run garbage-tier listening peers. god forbid you end up with them as your compact blocks peer.
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742018-10-09T02:39:20 <TD-Linux> echeveria, dunno, I'll take it over an aws node
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1002018-10-09T04:14:28 <MarcoFalke> wumpus: I put up a draft for the next release schedule #14438
1012018-10-09T04:14:31 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14438 | Release schedule for 0.18.0 · Issue #14438 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1022018-10-09T04:14:57 <MarcoFalke> Hope that works and let me know if I typoed the dates
1032018-10-09T04:15:53 <luke-jr> I prefer 0.18, but I thought the plan was to do an 18.0?
1042018-10-09T04:19:48 <MarcoFalke> luke-jr: See #9653 ;)
1052018-10-09T04:19:50 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9653 | Versioning convention for Bitcoin Core · Issue #9653 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1102018-10-09T05:01:49 <tradermyx> When is the 0.17 documentation coming?
1112018-10-09T05:03:35 <luke-jr> when you add it
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1142018-10-09T05:07:38 <provoostenator> tradermyx: you mean https://bitcoincore.org/en/doc/ ? There's a PR in progress for that, which probably needs review: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/618
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1172018-10-09T05:34:24 <tradermyx> provoostenator: Somebody told me that it's automatically generated from the in-application help data.
1182018-10-09T05:34:39 <tradermyx> provoostenator: Which makes me wonder why it's not up instantly and automatically after 0.17 was released.
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1202018-10-09T05:36:42 <sipa> tradermyx: there is a tool to generate the website from the rpc output
1212018-10-09T05:36:51 <sipa> that tool is not run automatically
1222018-10-09T05:37:04 <sipa> it'sjsut some guy (karelb) doing it
1232018-10-09T05:38:43 <karelb> indeed
1242018-10-09T05:39:13 <karelb> there is a PR on bitcoincore.org now
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1262018-10-09T05:52:03 <tradermyx> That is very strange.
1272018-10-09T05:52:17 <tradermyx> Should be part of the "release script" or "build process" or whatever.
1282018-10-09T05:52:45 <tradermyx> It's little things like this that makes me worried/concerned about the future of Bitcoin.
1292018-10-09T05:52:50 <tradermyx> (Not "whining"...)
1302018-10-09T05:53:06 <tradermyx> The actual program seems to have tons of improvements and stuff.
1312018-10-09T05:53:22 <tradermyx> As if there are really people working to improve it.
1322018-10-09T05:53:46 <midnightmagic> ... I wish you'd just pick a nickname and stick with it, dude.
1332018-10-09T05:53:50 <tradermyx> It's been enormously tricky to figure out how to "integrate" with the Bitcoin Core API, though.
1342018-10-09T05:54:06 <gwillen> tradermyx: that kind of thing is practical in a commercial envrionment where the same people have universal permissions across everything involved in making a release
1352018-10-09T05:54:15 <gwillen> that kind of automation is not very practical in an open source release process
1362018-10-09T05:54:17 <tradermyx> I guess.
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1382018-10-09T05:56:17 <gmaxwell> "perform more release work in secret and without public participation, please, so that no one can see that all steps aren't executed perfectly at the same time... as the centerally adminstered reveal would make it all look atomic and instant..."
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1422018-10-09T06:06:35 <aj> gmaxwell: ?
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1442018-10-09T06:09:22 <karelb> tradermyx: yeah I have added the rpc docs into the release process recently.
1452018-10-09T06:11:46 <karelb> it could maybe be automated by travis or Jenkins or something like that, maybe?
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1472018-10-09T06:31:37 <phantomcircuit> karelb, i dont so much reason since the help is in the very tool people are trying to use
1482018-10-09T06:32:32 <karelb> true but... sometimes people just google stuff
1492018-10-09T06:32:36 <karelb> like me :)
1502018-10-09T06:33:05 <karelb> I often Google stuff even if it would be simpler to just type "help" (or "man")
1512018-10-09T06:34:11 <tradermyx> Nobody with a brain would do that.
1522018-10-09T06:34:25 <tradermyx> Stop promoting that evil fucking company and their shitty spam generator.
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1542018-10-09T06:34:48 <karelb> ....ok
1552018-10-09T06:35:53 <karelb> anyway, you can also think "hmm the new bitcoind has some new PSBT API, I want to know how it looks like before I install it"
1562018-10-09T06:36:16 <karelb> "I wonder what the new scanutxoset is about"
1572018-10-09T06:36:17 <karelb> etc
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1672018-10-09T07:38:10 <jamesob> is `make clean` inexplicably deleting src/test/scriptnum10.h for anyone else?
1682018-10-09T07:40:12 <luke-jr> jamesob: already diagnosed; I think MarcoFalke and fanquake_ are fixing
1692018-10-09T07:40:47 <fanquake_> luke-jr jamesob yea, pr shortly
1702018-10-09T07:41:48 <jamesob> ack thanks guys
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1792018-10-09T07:47:43 <MarcoFalke> #14440
1802018-10-09T07:47:45 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14440 | test: Inline scriptnum10 header by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #14440 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1832018-10-09T07:58:31 <wumpus> MarcoFalke: thanks, will take a look
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1942018-10-09T08:50:06 <luke-jr> can't get to the PR, but hopefully the TLS revert thing is an #if, not a real revert...?
1952018-10-09T08:55:05 <wumpus> it's a real revert, which isalso what I commented on
1962018-10-09T08:55:30 <wumpus> they should make the versions a range, taking into account *at which version* upstream fixed it
1972018-10-09T08:56:15 * wumpus wonders why you can't get to the PR
1982018-10-09T09:03:05 <luke-jr> wifi issue
1992018-10-09T09:03:27 <luke-jr> I think resolved now
2002018-10-09T09:05:59 <luke-jr> wumpus: btw you're not here I assume?
2012018-10-09T09:18:48 <sipa> luke-jr: depends whether you mean 'here' in the goegraphical sense or the irc channel sense
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2042018-10-09T09:25:29 <luke-jr> sipa: geographic ;)
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2092018-10-09T09:42:40 <CryptoSiD> I'm unable to compile the master branch of https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin since yersterday. I'm getting the following error: http://dpaste.com/18RA6DW test/scriptnum10.h: No such file or directory
2102018-10-09T09:42:44 <CryptoSiD> However... the file is there.
2112018-10-09T09:44:06 <hebasto> CryptoSiD: #14440
2122018-10-09T09:44:07 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14440 | test: Inline scriptnum10 header by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #14440 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2132018-10-09T09:45:43 <wumpus> I'm 'here' in neither sense, to be honest
2142018-10-09T09:48:51 <luke-jr> >_<
2152018-10-09T09:53:15 <wumpus> but no, couldn't come to Tokyo, unfortunately
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2282018-10-09T11:12:05 <hebasto> why travis is still using trusty while bionic is used for gitian builds?
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2312018-10-09T11:33:19 <wumpus> travis is using dockerizing bionic these days isn't it?
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2332018-10-09T11:34:32 <wumpus> I think that is (but I'm not 100% sure) because travis does not offer bionic VMs directly
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2462018-10-09T14:45:16 <promag> regarding #14445
2472018-10-09T14:45:17 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14445 | Correct balance ? · Issue #14445 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2482018-10-09T14:45:44 <promag> should ask in stackoverflow instead? or ask for more details?
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2742018-10-09T17:44:03 <tradermyx> Question: why is the wallet name specified in the actual URL in the calls to the RPC API? Why isn't it just another parameter?
2752018-10-09T17:44:14 <tradermyx> Not that it makes a huge difference, but it's an odd design choice to me.
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3022018-10-09T20:42:54 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, is your brain working again? :P
3032018-10-09T20:47:06 <tradermyx> Anyone?
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3112018-10-09T21:06:02 <phantomcircuit> tradermyx, it's not a parameter you want to explicitly specify everytime you use it
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3142018-10-09T21:30:20 <tradermyx> phantomcircuit: But it's a dedicated function anyway?
3152018-10-09T21:30:41 <tradermyx> phantomcircuit: AKA you never specify all the stuff each time, but only the uniqueness about the call (AKA the command and its parameters).
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3182018-10-09T22:07:54 <phantomcircuit> tradermyx, it's so you can have an rpc connection object which knows which wallet it's using in the caller
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3252018-10-09T22:18:27 <tradermyx> phantomcircuit: But it already knows that if I use it part of the POST parameters?
3262018-10-09T22:18:41 <tradermyx> But alright... there is "some good reason" which I simply don't understand right now.
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3282018-10-09T22:35:34 <sipa> tradermyx: it's so that existing applications don't need code changes; they only need to be configured to use a different url
3292018-10-09T22:37:24 <tradermyx> I see. In my case, it would be an identical amount of work, though.
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