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 452018-10-11T02:31:46  <gmaxwell> Anoter "can't create addresses" https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9n5o2b/cannot_create_new_receving_addresses_in_bitcoin/
 462018-10-11T02:35:06  <gwillen> it's definitely confusing to have to click 'request payment' to make a receiving address (I assume that's now the intended flow)
 472018-10-11T02:35:27  <gwillen> like, 9 times out of 10 I am not doing anything that resembles requesting a payment
 482018-10-11T02:35:30  <gwillen> because I'm just paying myself
 492018-10-11T02:35:33  <gwillen> from some other wallet
 502018-10-11T02:36:20  <gmaxwell> right, that was actually the intended flow before too. I'd personally forgotten there was another button for that.
 512018-10-11T02:36:30  <gmaxwell> but clearly other people saw it differently.
 522018-10-11T02:40:00  <gwillen> I definitely always used the other button
 532018-10-11T02:40:23  <gwillen> when it went away I was briefly confused, but it only took a couple minutes to deduce that I was probably meant to do the other thing
 542018-10-11T02:40:29  <gwillen> but I know a lot more than the average bitcoin user
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 572018-10-11T02:46:56  <grubles> i don't think i have ever used a payment request to receive a payment
 582018-10-11T02:47:28  <grubles> just: generate receive address -> copy/paste to person paying me
 592018-10-11T02:48:42  <gwillen> yeah, same
 602018-10-11T02:49:16  <gwillen> it's sort of weird because even though you _can_ use the payment request button to just make an address, it clearly really wants you to use the extra payment request workflow stuff, which I have literally never had a use for
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 642018-10-11T02:54:07  <Randolf> I always generate addresses separately.  I never use the in-wallet functions.
 652018-10-11T02:54:21  <Randolf> I think it's a great feature for non-technical end-users though.
 662018-10-11T02:56:50  <sipa> Randolf: all of this is about wallet functions
 672018-10-11T02:57:11  <echeveria> other than a labeling problem this doesn't seem like much of one.
 682018-10-11T02:57:28  <echeveria> the request payment window is literally just asking for an address label, right?
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 782018-10-11T03:35:42  <gmaxwell> gwillen: there is no extra "payment request workflow stuff"
 792018-10-11T03:35:51  <gmaxwell> at least if I understand what you're saying.
 802018-10-11T03:36:05  <gmaxwell> it doesn't support generating BIP70 invoices.
 812018-10-11T03:36:25  <gmaxwell> the payment request stuff is just a prompt to get an address and label it.
 822018-10-11T03:37:04  <echeveria> gwillen: grubles: have ever of you actually looked at the interface you're commenting on?
 832018-10-11T03:38:45  <TD-Linux> gmaxwell, it generates bip70 bitcoin: urls
 842018-10-11T03:39:00  <sipa> TD-Linux: you mean bip20?
 852018-10-11T03:39:06  <TD-Linux> oh bip20
 862018-10-11T03:39:09  <echeveria> TD-Linux: lol no it doesn't
 872018-10-11T03:39:25  <TD-Linux> yeah I looked in bip70 and saw bitcoin:
 882018-10-11T03:39:36  <gmaxwell> TD-Linux: thats the misunderstanding I was guessing gwillen had that I was attempting to correct. :)
 892018-10-11T03:40:26  <echeveria> TD-Linux: it honestly doesn't even show you a BIP20 URI as anything but an options.
 902018-10-11T03:40:45  <TD-Linux> echeveria, it pops up a text box with a bip20 uri and an address in the same box
 912018-10-11T03:41:23  <echeveria> TD-Linux: with two buttons at the bottom, "copy address" and "copy URI"
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 932018-10-11T03:42:57  <TD-Linux> would be nice to have two text boxes with the copy button next to each, as is conventional on web forms (but that's nitpicking)
 942018-10-11T03:43:49  <provoostenator> TD-Linux: BIP70 uses BIP21 style URI's. An app that can handle bitcoin:... may or may not support BIP70, usually not.
 952018-10-11T03:44:15  <TD-Linux> the "history" is also a bit awkward though. it doesn't show addresses which doesn't help obviousness
 962018-10-11T03:44:26  <TD-Linux> actually my biggest beef with the history is it doesn't show associated transactions
 972018-10-11T03:44:45  <provoostenator> You're welcome to improve it, but tweaking things in QT can be a painful process.
 982018-10-11T03:45:03  <TD-Linux> it shows me how much I requested but not how much I got
 992018-10-11T03:46:28  <echeveria> TD-Linux: a good rule of thumb is that literally nothing uses, or supports BIP70 other than Bitpay. it'd be nice to show addresses in that form I suppose, generally well labeled they're usable in the transaction list but only if it was a simple transaction paying it.
1002018-10-11T03:47:05  <TD-Linux> no I don't care about bip70, I meant plain addresses
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1112018-10-11T04:21:39  <tradermyx> blocknotify = "php "c:\long path here\handle.php" %s" <-- How does Bitcoin Core want me to escape the inner path?
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1132018-10-11T04:21:53  <tradermyx> blocknotify = "php \"c:\long path here\handle.php\" %s" <-- Like that?
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1162018-10-11T04:22:11  <tradermyx> Or ""? Or something else?
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1182018-10-11T04:27:01  <sipa> tradermyx: i don't think you need any escaping at all
1192018-10-11T04:27:09  <sipa> " is not treated specially
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1282018-10-11T05:06:01  <tradermyx> sipa: ?
1292018-10-11T05:06:25  <tradermyx> " is both on Unix and Windows what you need around any paths that contain spaces and other special chars.
1302018-10-11T05:06:58  <tradermyx> So how does Bitcoin Core want it to be escaped?
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1342018-10-11T05:09:28  <gmaxwell> tradermyx: You need to escape on command lines. not "any paths". e.g. you don't need to type quotes into filename dialog boxes.
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1382018-10-11T05:24:01  <tradermyx> gmaxwell: How would it know where to stop if I go like this? blocknotify = "php c:\long path here\handle.php %s"
1392018-10-11T05:24:10  <tradermyx> gmaxwell: It would think the path is "c:\long".
1402018-10-11T05:24:43  <tradermyx> At least in all other contexts ever... unless Bitcoin Core's config is different?
1412018-10-11T05:26:55  <echeveria> tradermyx: escape the spaces, as always. this is not really development related. #bitcoin
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1442018-10-11T05:31:35  <tradermyx> echeveria: I've literally never "escaped the spaces", nor did I know it was possible.
1452018-10-11T05:32:43  <tradermyx> And escape them how?
1462018-10-11T05:34:26  <tradermyx> Once I have Bitcoin Core running and the console window open, can I make it output whatever value it chose for blocknotify?
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1672018-10-11T06:44:16  <PinkHoodie> Hi everyone.
1682018-10-11T06:45:03  <PinkHoodie> I'm looking for information of why the method `signrawtransaction` is getting deprecated in a later version of bitcoin core
1692018-10-11T06:45:14  <PinkHoodie> https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-reference#signrawtransaction
1702018-10-11T06:46:33  <PinkHoodie> I want to manage my addresses outside the node for security reasons, but without that method it becomes painful
1712018-10-11T06:46:49  <PinkHoodie> SInce I don't see why to reinvent the wheel when the node has the function built in
1722018-10-11T06:48:02  <sipa> PinkHoodie: it has simply been replaced with two methods
1732018-10-11T06:48:21  <sipa> signrawtransactionwithwallet and signrawtransactionwithkey
1742018-10-11T06:48:56  <sipa> since 0.17 also new methods have been added that operate on a different format called psbt
1752018-10-11T06:49:04  <sipa> which should be easier for most workflows
1762018-10-11T06:49:25  <sipa> there's certainly no functionality being removed, just renamed
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1782018-10-11T06:51:40  <PinkHoodie> Great!
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1802018-10-11T06:52:18  <PinkHoodie> Thank you very much @sipa
1812018-10-11T06:53:18  <PinkHoodie> I got confused since it is not on bitcoin.org dev reference
1822018-10-11T06:53:25  <PinkHoodie> You just made my day
1832018-10-11T06:53:30  <PinkHoodie> I hope you have a great one too
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2042018-10-11T08:35:12  <Sentineo> hm is there a way for walletnotify to tell me which wallet did the notification in a multiwallet setup? If not, is there something like that planed?
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2092018-10-11T08:39:43  <promag> Sentineo: yes, see #13339
2102018-10-11T08:39:46  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13339 | wallet: Replace %w by wallet name in -walletnotify script by promag · Pull Request #13339 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2112018-10-11T08:40:19  <promag> wumpus: should be 0.18? ^
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2132018-10-11T09:01:05  <Sentineo> promag: ty!
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2282018-10-11T09:31:44  <ken2812221> tradermyx: Can you try blocknotify = php "c:\long path here\handle.php" %s
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2352018-10-11T10:29:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #14463: Remove a platform dependant type (master...20181011-rbf-nseq) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14463
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2712018-10-11T13:37:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 opened pull request #14464: rafactor: Remove use of boost::condition_variable and boost::mutex in checkqueue (master...drop-boost-cond) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14464
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2742018-10-11T13:48:28  <wumpus> provoostenator: sure, tagged
2752018-10-11T13:48:32  <wumpus> promag^
2762018-10-11T13:48:54  <promag> ty
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3122018-10-11T15:38:20  <tradermyx> Once I have Bitcoin Core running and the console window open, can I make it output whatever value it chose for blocknotify?
3132018-10-11T15:38:25  <tradermyx> (So I know I escaped it properly)
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3212018-10-11T16:01:25  <tradermyx> I keep getting terminal windows pop up for a split second before they disappear at semi-regular intervals (every time blocknotify is run)... so things cannot be working correctly.
3222018-10-11T16:01:44  <tradermyx> And yeah, I should probably ask this in ##bitcoin...
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3282018-10-11T16:07:49  <Arvidt> Could someone please review PR #14425 ?
3292018-10-11T16:07:51  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14425 | Net: Do not re-enable Onion network when it was disabled via onlynet by wodry · Pull Request #14425 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3502018-10-11T16:49:46  <promag> are we meeting up today?
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3522018-10-11T16:52:20  <sipa> in 2 hours, right?
3532018-10-11T16:53:57  <promag> yes that's the time
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3782018-10-11T18:17:57  <wumpus> yes
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3832018-10-11T18:50:32  <Arvidt> Is the meeting canceled, or is it not public anymore?
3842018-10-11T18:51:09  <jcorgan> 9 minutes
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3892018-10-11T18:58:36  <wumpus> dunno, I suspect many people are in Tokyo and might not join, but we'll see
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3912018-10-11T19:00:19  <wumpus> #startmeeting
3922018-10-11T19:00:19  <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 11 19:00:19 2018 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
3932018-10-11T19:00:19  <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
3942018-10-11T19:00:23  <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr btcdrak sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator
3952018-10-11T19:00:26  <jonasschnelli> hi
3962018-10-11T19:00:28  <promag> hi
3972018-10-11T19:00:33  <sdaftuar> hello!
3982018-10-11T19:01:24  <wumpus> proposed topics?
3992018-10-11T19:01:30  <gmaxwell> Hi.
4002018-10-11T19:02:11  <promag> hp?
4012018-10-11T19:02:31  <jonasschnelli> topic: OSX dmg issue
4022018-10-11T19:02:37  <jonasschnelli> +proposal
4032018-10-11T19:02:49  * jonasschnelli is in train, connection may randomly drop
4042018-10-11T19:03:15  <wumpus> IRCing from a train is pretty hard-core
4052018-10-11T19:03:49  <wumpus> #topic High priority for review
4062018-10-11T19:03:50  <jonasschnelli> well...
4072018-10-11T19:04:08  <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8
4082018-10-11T19:05:08  <wumpus> jonasschnelli: it's better than it used to be, I suppose :D
4092018-10-11T19:05:42  <jonasschnelli> (they have 4g repeater in almost all trains now, probably expect the one im sitting in)
4102018-10-11T19:07:12  <wumpus> I used to travel by train a lot ~10 years ago, with a crappy GPRS modem, tunneling over ssh, losing connection every few minutes, it was really a nightmare at the time; was before trains had WiFi here in NL
4112018-10-11T19:07:33  <wumpus> any suggestions to add to high priority for review?
4122018-10-11T19:07:35  <promag> #14291 could some review by wallet "owners"
4132018-10-11T19:07:37  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14291 | wallet: Add ListWalletDir utility function by promag · Pull Request #14291 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4142018-10-11T19:08:01  <wumpus> you already have 14291 on the list
4152018-10-11T19:08:22  <promag> I know
4162018-10-11T19:08:26  <phantomcircuit> `hi
4172018-10-11T19:09:14  <gleb> hi
4182018-10-11T19:09:46  <wumpus> #topic OSX dmg issue (jonasschnelli)
4192018-10-11T19:09:48  <ken2812221> hi
4202018-10-11T19:10:00  <jonasschnelli> Issue is #14414
4212018-10-11T19:10:01  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14414 | Problem upgrading to 0.17.0 on macOS High Sierra 10.13.6 · Issue #14414 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4222018-10-11T19:10:13  <jonasschnelli> TLDR: our 0.17.0 DMG image is corrupt...
4232018-10-11T19:10:30  <jonasschnelli> Probably due to a upstream "bug" in the ds_store python module
4242018-10-11T19:11:07  <jonasschnelli> IMO the best way to fix this is by "rolling back" to manual generated .DS_Store files
4252018-10-11T19:11:09  <wumpus> it *crashes* the finder?
4262018-10-11T19:11:27  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: in one case, I had a finder crash. Yes.
4272018-10-11T19:11:35  <jonasschnelli> But most cases, it just didn't open the image
4282018-10-11T19:11:36  <promag> me too
4292018-10-11T19:11:44  <jonasschnelli> The crash worries me a bit...
4302018-10-11T19:11:45  <wumpus> that's pretty interestin if it's exploitable
4312018-10-11T19:11:49  <promag> only one crash though
4322018-10-11T19:12:09  <wumpus> anyhow, how did we get here, why didn't it happen before?
4332018-10-11T19:12:26  <jonasschnelli> The DS_Store fileformat is not open..
4342018-10-11T19:12:35  <jonasschnelli> it has been reverse engeneered AFAIK
4352018-10-11T19:12:42  <wumpus> can we go back to an older ds_store python module
4362018-10-11T19:12:48  <jonasschnelli> and the module we use (ds_store module in python) probably messes up
4372018-10-11T19:12:58  <wumpus> yes
4382018-10-11T19:13:00  <jonasschnelli> and the mess up only appears on OSX 10.12 upwards
4392018-10-11T19:13:11  <jonasschnelli> I don't think older versions would work..
4402018-10-11T19:13:26  <jonasschnelli> I don't think we have upgraded from an older version
4412018-10-11T19:13:30  <rex4539> For me it crashes the Finder always. Like 100% reproducibility.
4422018-10-11T19:13:32  <wumpus> but it used to work right?
4432018-10-11T19:13:42  <jonasschnelli> only on older OSX versions
4442018-10-11T19:13:53  <wumpus> so 0.16.x also crashes on newer OSX?
4452018-10-11T19:13:56  <jonasschnelli> I think its an "incompatibility" that only affects OSX 10.12+
4462018-10-11T19:14:17  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: good question.
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4482018-10-11T19:14:28  <wumpus> I mean the issue talks about upgrading to 0.17
4492018-10-11T19:14:32  <jonasschnelli> I think they don't... which would lead to something we changed.
4502018-10-11T19:15:12  <wumpus> I don't think much changed with regard to macosx tooling since then but I guess it's worth checking
4512018-10-11T19:15:35  <jonasschnelli> Maybe the move to Bionic?
4522018-10-11T19:15:49  <wumpus> do we use it from the distribution?
4532018-10-11T19:16:03  <jonasschnelli> no... we load the python package
4542018-10-11T19:16:13  <jonasschnelli> but maybe its not the ds_store. packaghe
4552018-10-11T19:16:14  <promag> can we know the module version used in a previous working version?
4562018-10-11T19:16:27  <jonasschnelli> AFAIK we have not touched it,...
4572018-10-11T19:16:31  <wumpus> it's possible that something else in the dependency forest causes a subtle change, of course
4582018-10-11T19:16:46  <rex4539> Just tried with 0.16.3 and it doesn't crash here. So it's a regression for sure.
4592018-10-11T19:16:48  <wumpus> maybe a newer python
4602018-10-11T19:16:51  <jonasschnelli> 0.16.3 is not affected (tested just now)
4612018-10-11T19:17:22  <jonasschnelli> Removing the DS_Store file will cure the issue though...
4622018-10-11T19:17:29  <jonasschnelli> could be the DMG creation
4632018-10-11T19:17:37  <wumpus> can just *remove* it?
4642018-10-11T19:17:56  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: I propose to just replace it with a manually created DS_Store...
4652018-10-11T19:17:58  <promag> huh, both 0.17 and 0.16.3 use the same stuff right?
4662018-10-11T19:18:10  <wumpus> I... don't understand enough about OSX to say anything sensible about this
4672018-10-11T19:18:29  <kanzure> hi.
4682018-10-11T19:18:54  <wumpus> promag: 0.16.3 builds using trusty, 0.17 started building using bionic
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4702018-10-11T19:19:15  <jonasschnelli> However, .. I'll investigate further (didn't hat too much time last days)
4712018-10-11T19:19:20  <wumpus> might want to compare the ds_store files between both
4722018-10-11T19:19:21  <ken2812221> python3?
4732018-10-11T19:19:31  <wumpus> it might be some unicode encoding issue or whatnot
4742018-10-11T19:19:44  <jonasschnelli> The DS_Store file is just a file that contains info about the disk image background and icon position, etc.
4752018-10-11T19:19:45  <wumpus> 0.16 was already python 3 wasn't it?
4762018-10-11T19:20:02  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: good point.. i'll do that
4772018-10-11T19:20:20  <ken2812221> But #11881 is not in 0.16
4782018-10-11T19:20:23  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11881 | Remove Python2 support by jnewbery · Pull Request #11881 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4792018-10-11T19:20:39  <wumpus> jonasschnelli: if we can just remove it, that might be the best way forward, instead of relying on someone's reverse engineering which is apparently failing for new versions
4802018-10-11T19:20:55  <promag> anyway shame on finder..
4812018-10-11T19:20:56  <ken2812221> It changes custom_dsstore.py and macdeployqtplus
4822018-10-11T19:21:02  <jonasschnelli> Yes. But the nice background is cool
4832018-10-11T19:21:07  <jonasschnelli> (Its somehow expected on OSX)
4842018-10-11T19:21:36  <jonasschnelli> ken2812221: is 11881 not 0.16 but 0.17?
4852018-10-11T19:21:41  <wumpus> I agree nice things are nice, but working at all is more important :)
4862018-10-11T19:21:53  <jonasschnelli> sure. :)
4872018-10-11T19:22:22  <jonasschnelli> Removing it is an option,.. lets wait a couple of more days to track the issue and if we can't fix it, remote it
4882018-10-11T19:22:42  <jonasschnelli> (and wait until someome brings it back in a stable way)
4892018-10-11T19:22:57  <promag> we could generate it with trusty thru docker
4902018-10-11T19:22:58  <wumpus> 11881 is indeed in 0.17 but not 0.16
4912018-10-11T19:23:47  <promag> (if that's the problem)
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4932018-10-11T19:24:09  <jonasschnelli> then it's probably 11881
4942018-10-11T19:25:10  <wumpus> we can try reverting it, at least for 0.17.x branch
4952018-10-11T19:25:31  <wumpus> but in any case we need to knwo what is the difference in the generated file
4962018-10-11T19:25:53  <wumpus> might be a straightforward difference or a nightmare
4972018-10-11T19:25:57  <jonasschnelli> I'll test a revert in my WIP PR via gitian
4982018-10-11T19:28:17  <wumpus> thanks! hope a revert is doable by now, but I guess, there's not much change in those files
4992018-10-11T19:28:21  <wumpus> any other topics?
5002018-10-11T19:30:39  <wumpus> apparently not !
5012018-10-11T19:30:54  <wumpus> thanks everyone, wrapping up the meeting then
5022018-10-11T19:31:03  <wumpus> #endmeeting
5032018-10-11T19:31:03  <lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Oct 11 19:31:03 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
5042018-10-11T19:31:03  <lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-10-11-19.00.html
5052018-10-11T19:31:03  <lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-10-11-19.00.txt
5062018-10-11T19:31:03  <lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-10-11-19.00.log.html
5072018-10-11T19:31:07  <promag> later ppl
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5102018-10-11T19:43:23  <jonasschnelli> the revert of the relevant parts in 11881 didn't fixed it: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/build/831
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5122018-10-11T19:49:28  <tradermyx> queip: ??
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5212018-10-11T20:24:28  <sipa> seems i was asleep for the meeting
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5252018-10-11T20:34:24  <promag> no problem sipa, you can still ack 14291 :P
5262018-10-11T20:39:26  <sipa> jonasschnelli: i used to irc from trains etc through iodine (an ip over dns proxy), which often worked without registering for the internet access :)
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5302018-10-11T20:55:21  <tradermyx> I give up. I've now wasted countless hours of my life trying to figure out the basic information about how Bitcoin Core's .conf file wants strings escaped.
5312018-10-11T20:55:37  <tradermyx> What is the solution? I've guessed my way through countless variations that don't work.
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5332018-10-11T20:57:19  <sipa> tradermyx: there is no escaping whatsoever
5342018-10-11T20:57:24  <tradermyx> sipa: ?
5352018-10-11T20:57:26  <sipa> the lines are of the form
5362018-10-11T20:57:29  <sipa> key=value
5372018-10-11T20:57:40  <sipa> where key is the key, and value is the value
5382018-10-11T20:57:45  <tradermyx> sipa:
5392018-10-11T20:57:55  <sipa> quotation marks are not treated specially
5402018-10-11T20:57:55  <tradermyx> blocknotify =	"C:\PHP\php.exe "C:\Users\John Doe\Documents\...\handle_bitcoin_stuff.php" blocknotify %s"
5412018-10-11T20:58:09  <tradermyx> Are you saying that the outer "s are to go entirely?
5422018-10-11T20:58:13  <tradermyx> Because I'm 99% sure I tried that.
5432018-10-11T20:58:17  <sipa> yes
5442018-10-11T20:58:55  <promag> yes, drop outer "
5452018-10-11T20:59:04  <tradermyx> Alright. Gonna try that right now.
5462018-10-11T20:59:25  <esotericnonsense> lol.
5472018-10-11T21:00:05  <esotericnonsense> you've wasted "countless hours" when you could have just made a script without spaces in the path?
5482018-10-11T21:00:16  <tradermyx> "could have just made a script without spaces in the path?"?
5492018-10-11T21:00:20  <tradermyx> Huh?
5502018-10-11T21:00:25  <tradermyx> The path contains spaces.
5512018-10-11T21:00:28  <esotericnonsense> yeah, i'm not biting, sorry.
5522018-10-11T21:00:37  <tradermyx> Biting what?
5532018-10-11T21:00:49  <esotericnonsense> i don't know who pays you to troll these channels, but you really should find something better to do. I'm sure there's something out there for you.
5542018-10-11T21:00:52  <tradermyx> It's a simple fact that the path contains spaces. WTF are you saying?
5552018-10-11T21:01:07  <promag> tradermyx: did it work?
5562018-10-11T21:01:17  <tradermyx> promag: Not sure yet. It hasn't executed one of them so far.
5572018-10-11T21:01:19  <tradermyx> (After restarting)
5582018-10-11T21:01:50  <tradermyx> And even if this particular path hadn't contained spaces, I would still need to have quotes around it for when other people have different paths.
5592018-10-11T21:02:27  <promag> tradermyx: you should test in regtest first, there you can generate blocks
5602018-10-11T21:02:32  <tradermyx> Also, these paranoid delusions about "trolls" has got to end. You literally can't ask questions anymore on IRC or anywhere without these nonsensical accusations.
5612018-10-11T21:02:45  <tradermyx> promag: I've tried to, but that's a whole chapter of itself to understand.
5622018-10-11T21:03:01  <tradermyx> (As I've probably mentioned in here multiple times.)
5632018-10-11T21:03:06  <esotericnonsense> tradermyx: you've been here for well over a year and every time I see you you're asking a deliberately obtuse question.
5642018-10-11T21:03:10  <esotericnonsense> _every time_.
5652018-10-11T21:03:19  <tradermyx> esotericnonsense: "OK".
5662018-10-11T21:03:22  <esotericnonsense> I've never seen you have an interaction that isn't some variant of this bullshit.
5672018-10-11T21:03:34  <tradermyx> esotericnonsense: I think you need to talk to a professional.
5682018-10-11T21:03:37  <tradermyx> Seriously.
5692018-10-11T21:03:38  <esotericnonsense> I don't know why you're even here and haven't been banned from the channels, I guess other people have more patience.
5702018-10-11T21:03:45  <esotericnonsense> yeah, sure.
5712018-10-11T21:03:49  <promag> tradermyx: you must understand that you are not having developer problems, and this channel is not for support, which is what you want
5722018-10-11T21:04:07  <tradermyx> Well, I "develop", but not Bitcoin Core... rather trying to use it.
5732018-10-11T21:04:35  <sipa> for questions about usage go to #bitcoin or https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com
5742018-10-11T21:04:37  <promag> tradermyx: there you go, this is not a generic developers channel
5752018-10-11T21:04:50  <tradermyx> That's another thing... Everything is always "off-topic".
5762018-10-11T21:05:24  <sipa> this channel is about develop*ing* bitcoin core
5772018-10-11T21:05:39  <sipa> so yes, your questions about usage or development with bitcoin core are off topic
5782018-10-11T21:05:53  <tradermyx> So I ask in ##bitcoin and nobody responds for hours. Ghost town. What do you want me to do? Sit and twiddle my thumbs or ask where there are experts on this particular software?
5792018-10-11T21:05:59  <sipa> i don't mind answering details of the implementation here if they're helpful to you
5802018-10-11T21:06:31  <tradermyx> It works now, at least. Thanks.
5812018-10-11T21:06:35  <tradermyx> (It just ran one)
5822018-10-11T21:06:48  <jcorgan> tradermyx: nobody is entitled to answers on irc. every channel has a topic, and ops willing to enforce it. please be considerate of that.
5832018-10-11T21:07:07  <sipa> try bitcoin.stackexchange.com too, and have some patience
5842018-10-11T21:07:57  <tradermyx> A scary thing is that esotericnonsense isn't unusual. I see this all the time where if you ask any question, you are immediately called a "troll". Maybe you have a completely different mentality where people just sit around all day and ask "fake" questions (???) but that's... not... what I do?
5852018-10-11T21:08:23  <tradermyx> My questions are about very real problems that occur all the time.
5862018-10-11T21:08:35  <gmaxwell> Bored now.
5872018-10-11T21:08:44  <tradermyx> Ooookay.
5882018-10-11T21:08:57  <sipa> tradermyx: ok, still not on topic here
5892018-10-11T21:09:02  <tradermyx> Is this where you ban me and go on thinking I'm a "troll" who asks "fake questions"?
5902018-10-11T21:09:07  <tradermyx> You are fucking sick.
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5922018-10-11T21:09:51  <promag> tradermyx: glad we could help
5932018-10-11T21:10:19  <gmaxwell> Next customer!
5942018-10-11T21:11:46  <promag> gmaxwell: there you go # 14291
5952018-10-11T21:13:06  <esotericnonsense> i don't know how this guy isn't banned from the channels here, seriously. this is probably why i'm not an op or whatever.
5962018-10-11T21:14:00  <esotericnonsense> i guess others just use their ignore list more liberally, heh.
5972018-10-11T21:14:06  <jcorgan> be careful what you ask for, opping can ruin your outlook on humanity
5982018-10-11T21:14:10  <gmaxwell> esotericnonsense: this channel has a clear enough topic that it's harder for people to be disruptive here, so generally we can be more tolerant.
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6062018-10-11T22:06:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 opened pull request #14465: tests: Stop node before removing the notification file (master...test-notification-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14465
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6192018-10-11T23:24:04  <gwillen> jonasschnelli: so I heard at CoreDev that you're basically the only person who reviews gui changes and I should probably talk to you about my proposed gui changes? :-)
6202018-10-11T23:24:28  <gwillen> (adding an offline signing wizard, somewhat in the mold of what Armory has)
6212018-10-11T23:24:44  <gwillen> (using PSBT for passing the transactions around)
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