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22019-09-17T00:12:54 <midnightmagic> sipa: I'm trying to figure out whether we did in fact break 100eH or not, and because everyone else is basically useless I only ever refer to your graphs.
32019-09-17T00:16:49 <midnightmagic> also, like 8 of the bitcoin hashrate graphs in the top google results are broken too to varying degrees, so ..
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52019-09-17T00:20:49 <sipa> midnightmagic: re-ran an update manually
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72019-09-17T00:21:00 <midnightmagic> \o thanks
82019-09-17T00:21:01 <sipa> i don't understand why it's not happening automatically
92019-09-17T00:21:09 <sipa> anyway, 94 EH
102019-09-17T00:22:24 <midnightmagic> sipa: It *appears* as though on your graphs we never bumped above 100eH. But news as of short time ago asserts we did.
112019-09-17T00:22:40 <midnightmagic> sipa: I'm about to go tell all those people they're stupid and point them at your graphs.
122019-09-17T00:23:42 <sipa> the 1-day estimate did go above 100 eH, but it has really high variance
132019-09-17T00:23:49 <midnightmagic> (I understand you're doing averages. I don't think semi-random spikes count.)
142019-09-17T00:24:19 <sipa> they're actually all extrapolations
152019-09-17T00:24:21 <sipa> not averages
162019-09-17T00:25:44 <midnightmagic> Hrmm..
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182019-09-17T00:26:33 <midnightmagic> sipa: How are you doing the extrapolation? Can I see the equations?
192019-09-17T00:26:44 <sipa> midnightmagic: i uh... forgot them
202019-09-17T00:26:52 <midnightmagic> lol
212019-09-17T00:27:35 <midnightmagic> Do you vaguely recall doing averages and then projecting on a line, or are you using a curve or something?
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232019-09-17T00:28:05 <sipa> you measure the average hashrate using an exponentially decaying window
242019-09-17T00:28:35 <sipa> and then measure the average *time* when blocks were mined, using the same exponentially decaying window
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262019-09-17T00:30:04 <midnightmagic> hrmm..
272019-09-17T00:31:25 <sipa> and then some simple formula involving those two gives you the estimated hashrate at the end of the window, assuming an exponential growth before that
282019-09-17T00:31:58 <sipa> the code used on the site does some smoothing over those results and they're very jittery
292019-09-17T00:32:07 <sipa> and it's not particularly easy to read :)
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10452019-09-17T04:09:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/796b71363396...92f35acb3ba0
10462019-09-17T04:09:32 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa27ede MarcoFalke: qt: Run "make translate" in ./src
10472019-09-17T04:09:32 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 92f35ac fanquake: Merge #16882: qt: Re-generate translations before 0.19.0
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10522019-09-17T04:09:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16882: qt: Re-generate translations before 0.19.0 (master...1909-qtMakeTranslate) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16882
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10572019-09-17T04:27:09 <warren> wumpus et al. One of Transifex's engineers will be attending Thursday's weekly meeting. Please think of questions you may have by late Wednesday.
10582019-09-17T04:28:34 <warren> He has a few recommendations for the project to make better use of Transifex
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10722019-09-17T05:50:40 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #16892: validation: find witness commitment header using memcmp() instead of byte-by-byte comparison (master...20190917-validation-find_witness_commitment_with_memcmp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16892
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11252019-09-17T08:45:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/92f35acb3ba0...f18a9065e911
11262019-09-17T08:45:11 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6aab764 Jon Layton: doc: Fix whitespace errs in .md files, bitcoin.conf, Info.plist.in, and fi...
11272019-09-17T08:45:12 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f18a906 fanquake: Merge #16812: doc: Fix whitespace errs in .md files, bitcoin.conf, and Inf...
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11302019-09-17T08:45:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16812: doc: Fix whitespace errs in .md files, bitcoin.conf, and Info.plist.in (master...docs/lint-markdown) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16812
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11322019-09-17T08:46:28 <fanquake> I'll never merge a whitespace related PR ever again.
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11402019-09-17T09:06:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ch4ot1c opened pull request #16893: doc: Fix datadir path in 0.18.0 release notes (master...doc/release-notes-0.18.0-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16893
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11512019-09-17T09:57:30 <wumpus> warren: oh, awesome!
11522019-09-17T09:57:55 <wumpus> #proposedtopic making better use of Transifex
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11672019-09-17T10:33:11 <Chris_Stewart_5> is there a guide to building statically linked binaries anywhere for mac osx ? Or at least a specific place i should be looking ?
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11702019-09-17T10:43:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #16895: External signer multisig support (master...2019/09/hww-multisig) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16895
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11722019-09-17T10:44:12 <provoostenator> ^ WIP but it "works"
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11832019-09-17T11:33:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #16892: validation: find witness commitment header using memcmp() instead of byte-by-byte comparison (master...20190917-validation-find_witness_commitment_with_memcmp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16892
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11862019-09-17T11:34:00 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] renepickhardt opened pull request #16896: replaced hard coded folders with os.path.join & replaced os.path.sep (master...patch-seperator) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16896
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11912019-09-17T11:43:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #16893: doc: Fix datadir path in 0.18.0 release notes (master...doc/release-notes-0.18.0-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16893
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12162019-09-17T13:40:16 <wumpus> fanquake | I'll never merge a whitespace related PR ever again. <- same
12172019-09-17T13:42:19 <wumpus> provoostenator: nice!
12182019-09-17T13:43:32 <provoostenator> I did it mostly to see if I was missing anything in the single-key setup, but I think that works fine as is.
12192019-09-17T13:44:37 <provoostenator> I still haven't read up on miniscript / policy language. I wonder how that fits into things.
12202019-09-17T13:46:11 <provoostenator> sipa: would each hardware wallet provide its own "policy" that when combined results in a multisig (or something equivalent but more efficient)?
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12242019-09-17T13:56:31 <instagibbs> it would be helpful for the hww to report what it type of policies it can sign
12252019-09-17T13:56:47 <instagibbs> right now that kind of list is assembled by hand
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12272019-09-17T13:59:26 <instagibbs> e.g., does the Trezor allow 2of3 or csv and 1of1 type policies to be signed
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12332019-09-17T14:07:28 <instagibbs> of just twist people's arms until it'll sign generic scriptcodes like ledger...
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12372019-09-17T14:17:36 <provoostenator> So something similar to the getdescriptors call, which currently returns the list of single-signature descriptors it likes (although we hardcoded that in HWI)
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12592019-09-17T16:10:53 <sipa> provoostenator: i haven't really thought about hos to assess compatibility of hardware wallets
12602019-09-17T16:11:17 <sipa> hopefully if miniscript becomes a bit more common, hw wallets will just support all of it
12612019-09-17T16:11:38 <provoostenator> We can manually tell HWI what each hardware wallet is capable of.
12622019-09-17T16:12:05 <provoostenator> But to communicate that, maybe we need some sort of wildcard in miniscript / policy language level.
12632019-09-17T16:13:46 <sipa> miniscript; not policy
12642019-09-17T16:14:02 <sipa> policy is compiled to miniscript, which is a many-to-many relation
12652019-09-17T16:14:12 <provoostenator> Plus one flag to indicate that the hardware wallet understands miniscript, which then implies the other wallets in a "multisig" can do whatever they want.
12662019-09-17T16:14:20 <sipa> miniscript is just a different way of representing script
12672019-09-17T16:14:35 <provoostenator> If one of the wallets doesn't support miniscript, then that constrains the others, depending on the sequence.
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12692019-09-17T16:19:03 <provoostenator> The policiy language seems a more useful level of abstraction, e.g. and(pk(hww1_key),pk(hww2_key))
12702019-09-17T16:20:00 <provoostenator> Though that compiles to something no current hardware wallet will understand: <key_1> OP_CHECKSIGVERIFY <key_2> OP_CHECKSIG
12712019-09-17T16:20:31 <provoostenator> But in miniscript it does make sense: and_v(vc:pk(key_1),c:pk(key_2))
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12732019-09-17T16:21:33 <provoostenator> So I guess the hardware wallet itself needs to understand miniscript, whereas the tools we use to setup should understand the policy language?
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12752019-09-17T16:22:43 <sipa> only the compiler needs to support the policy language
12762019-09-17T16:23:04 <sipa> provoostenator: different compilers can map the same policy to distinct miniscripts
12772019-09-17T16:23:15 <sipa> as there are various optional optimization steps involved
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12792019-09-17T16:26:07 <provoostenator> So what is a hardware wallet that sees the above miniscript supposed to do? It knows it has key_1, so it infers that it can sign the first part of the AND condition.
12802019-09-17T16:26:46 <provoostenator> As for the second part, I guess it's happy as long as the change output has the same policy?
12812019-09-17T16:27:09 <sipa> change detection is a hard problem
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12832019-09-17T16:27:32 <provoostenator> Indeed, it's pretty poorly supported by hardware wallets at the moment.
12842019-09-17T16:27:56 <sipa> and detecting that something is the same policy is not enough; there may be dozens of ways to implement a particular policy in script
12852019-09-17T16:28:07 <sipa> using an unusual one may be indiscoverae
12862019-09-17T16:28:12 <sipa> *indiscoverable
12872019-09-17T16:28:21 <sipa> non-discoverable?
12882019-09-17T16:28:25 <sipa> undiscoverable?
12892019-09-17T16:28:41 <provoostenator> I think this conservative rule is fine though: it's OK if the policy for the change address doesn't change and derives from the same set of xpubs.
12902019-09-17T16:28:57 <sipa> it should just be the same miniscript
12912019-09-17T16:29:06 <sipa> with different pubkeys from the same xpubs
12922019-09-17T16:29:09 <provoostenator> * not policy but script
12932019-09-17T16:30:13 <provoostenator> Oh and the derivation index should be identical for all signers and not a crazy high value.
12942019-09-17T16:30:53 <sipa> in short: same descriptor, different index
12952019-09-17T16:31:01 <provoostenator> yes
12962019-09-17T16:32:17 <provoostenator> So what is it that each hardware wallet should communicate during the setup? "pk(key_1)"
12972019-09-17T16:32:31 <sipa> what is setup?
12982019-09-17T16:32:50 <provoostenator> E.g. in the draft PR I made, Bitcoin Core could call HWI on all wallets
12992019-09-17T16:33:27 <sipa> nothing except compilers should deal with policies
13002019-09-17T16:33:30 <provoostenator> Asking each to return a piece of miniscript, then combine those with AND.
13012019-09-17T16:33:57 <sipa> generally it's the user or the software tha5 chooses the desired policy/script
13022019-09-17T16:34:05 <sipa> and the HW wallet supports it or not
13032019-09-17T16:35:11 <instagibbs> yes I'd expect Core/user to determine what type of policies it supports, then a "whitelist" of hww that support such a configuration
13042019-09-17T16:35:30 <sipa> the hardware wallet is a signer device, it supports signing
13052019-09-17T16:35:45 <sipa> it's not "exposing" a policy or a script; that's up to its user
13062019-09-17T16:35:51 <provoostenator> I'm thinking of two use cases: 1) I have a bunch of hardware wallets, plug them all in at once to setup some multisig
13072019-09-17T16:36:07 <sipa> then you should just use multisig
13082019-09-17T16:36:12 <provoostenator> 2) I and my "friends" each run Bitcoin Core with one or more wallets and want to setup a joint thing
13092019-09-17T16:36:12 <sipa> no need for miniscript in that case
13102019-09-17T16:36:19 <sipa> yes
13112019-09-17T16:36:44 <sipa> in which case you'd gather the xpubs, every user constructs a policy they like
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13142019-09-17T16:36:51 <sipa> share the policy with others
13152019-09-17T16:36:57 <sipa> run the compiler once
13162019-09-17T16:37:15 <sipa> everyone can see that the policy of the output matches their part
13172019-09-17T16:37:29 <sipa> and then import a descriptor for it in their wallets
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13192019-09-17T16:38:52 <sipa> i don't expect stuff like that to be usable or user friendly anytime soon
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13222019-09-17T16:52:17 <achow101> Is #16512 RTM?
13232019-09-17T16:52:21 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16512 | Shuffle inputs and outputs after joining psbts by achow101 · Pull Request #16512 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
13242019-09-17T16:57:15 <sipa> rtm?
13252019-09-17T16:57:22 <sipa> ah, ready to merge
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13272019-09-17T17:02:12 <instagibbs> did that PR read the manual
13282019-09-17T17:02:43 <instagibbs> achow101, I don't see any fresh ACKs, I can re-review
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13312019-09-17T17:04:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16898: test: Remove connect_nodes_bi (master...1908-testConnectNodes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16898
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13332019-09-17T17:05:29 <instagibbs> achow101, I'd just make some nitty changes since no fresh acks anyways
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13362019-09-17T17:12:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jamesob opened pull request #16899: UTXO snapshot creation (dumptxoutset) (master...2019-09-au-dumptxoutset) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16899
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13382019-09-17T17:13:24 <achow101> current nits are too nitty for me
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13402019-09-17T17:16:53 <cubancorona> AtomicLedger!63
13412019-09-17T17:17:09 <cubancorona> lol sorry
13422019-09-17T17:18:09 <sipa> hunter2
13432019-09-17T17:18:19 <cubancorona> exactly
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13492019-09-17T17:38:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f18a9065e911...318890b1ee3c
13502019-09-17T17:38:45 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa502cb MarcoFalke: test: Bump timeouts in slow running tests
13512019-09-17T17:38:45 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 318890b MarcoFalke: Merge #16888: test: Bump timeouts in slow running tests
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13542019-09-17T17:39:04 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16888: test: Bump timeouts in slow running tests (master...1909-testBumpTimeouts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16888
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13592019-09-17T17:49:41 <achow101> provoostenator: half of the comments that you made on #16341 are on comments that I can't figure out whree they are, so I'm not going to respond to them unless we can figure out an easier way to make these conversations easier to find and respond to
13602019-09-17T17:49:44 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16341 | Introduce ScriptPubKeyMan interface and use it for key and script management (aka wallet boxes) by achow101 · Pull Request #16341 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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13682019-09-17T18:25:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/318890b1ee3c...99beda47f56a
13692019-09-17T18:25:31 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ae0add8 Gregory Sanders: Add python bech32 impl round-trip test
13702019-09-17T18:25:31 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 99beda4 MarcoFalke: Merge #16864: test: Add python bech32 impl round-trip test
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13732019-09-17T18:25:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16864: test: Add python bech32 impl round-trip test (master...bech32_encode_test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16864
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13792019-09-17T18:30:04 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/99beda47f56a...b3067f4338d9
13802019-09-17T18:30:04 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8573429 soroosh-sdi: test: add some unit tests for merkle.cpp
13812019-09-17T18:30:05 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b3067f4 MarcoFalke: Merge #16865: test: add some unit tests for merkle.cpp
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13842019-09-17T18:30:23 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16865: test: add some unit tests for merkle.cpp (master...13-09-19-merkle-unit-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16865
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13972019-09-17T18:56:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16900: doc: Fix doxygen comment for SignTransaction in rpc/rawtransaction_util (master...1909-docRpcUtil) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16900
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13992019-09-17T18:56:33 <cubancorona> sipa: May I message you privately about a possible vulnerability in the bitcoin light client neutrino?
14002019-09-17T18:57:35 <sipa> i'm not the right person to talk to
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14392019-09-17T21:19:58 <achow101> any idea why changing mapWallet from std::map to std::unordered_map would cause the qt wallet tests to fail? afaict, we don't rely on the order of txs in mapWallet ever
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14422019-09-17T21:26:23 <phantomcircuit> achow101, possibly the tests do
14432019-09-17T21:27:31 <achow101> the tests don't access mapwallet directly
14442019-09-17T21:28:04 <achow101> and the order would be based on txid, which changes with each run, so depending on that order doesn't make any sense
14452019-09-17T21:33:32 <phantomcircuit> achow101, neat, you found a bug then
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14512019-09-17T22:06:53 <achow101> ffs the gui relies on the list of txs to be sorted
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14552019-09-17T22:19:36 <meshcollider> lol
14562019-09-17T22:31:53 <promag> achow101: where?
14572019-09-17T22:32:11 <achow101> transactiontablemodel. See cachedWallet
14582019-09-17T22:32:26 <achow101> I'm making it not sorted
14592019-09-17T22:35:19 <promag> achow101: sort them in WalletImpl::getWalletTxs
14602019-09-17T22:36:21 <promag> anyway this might be something worth improving
14612019-09-17T22:36:50 <promag> it shouldn't be necessary a copy of the wallet in the model
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14632019-09-17T22:37:30 <promag> just those that are displayed
14642019-09-17T22:38:24 <achow101> i've added a sort
14652019-09-17T22:39:20 <achow101> I put it in TransactionTablePriv::refreshWallet rather than getWalletTxs since that's where the sorting matters. nothing else uses getWalletTxs, and if we add something that does, I would prefer that it not rely on sorting
14662019-09-17T22:40:44 <promag> ok
14672019-09-17T22:41:01 <promag> why the change to mapWallets btw?
14682019-09-17T22:41:22 <promag> performance improvement?
14692019-09-17T22:41:28 <achow101> yeah
14702019-09-17T22:41:54 <achow101> I made a large wallet for testing my memory reduction stuff, and I decided to take a look at the loading times too
14712019-09-17T22:42:03 <achow101> noticed it spent quite a while inserting things into various maps
14722019-09-17T22:42:31 <promag> for daemon only then :P because I guess that change only has impact with big wallets, and that new sorting probably makes it worse
14732019-09-17T22:42:52 <achow101> right, which is why I was thinking about making it non-sorted
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14892019-09-17T23:45:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ch4ot1c opened pull request #16901: test: Add markdownlint rules (master...doc/markdown-linter) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16901
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