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 182019-09-24T01:18:32  <dognosewhiskers> Serious problem: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/23999/blocknotify-walletnotify-but-without-the-console-window <-- This bug reported at least 5.5 years ago (!) has still not been fixed in Bitcoin Core v0.18.1. Verified by me yesterday. It makes it impossible to run Bitcoin Core on Windows for the purpose of accepting and handling Bitcoin payments because the "walletnotify"/"blocknotify" events keep causing that terminal to
 192019-09-24T01:18:32  <dognosewhiskers> flash by briefly at irregular intervals, turning the user of the computer insane. So if your goal is to never have Bitcoin go anywhere, well, mission accomplished. And no, I can't run Bitcoin Core with a full blockchain on another machine. I don't even know how I'm gonna be able to keep this *one* copy of the massive blockchain... :/ And yes, I know about pruning, but it has all kinds of caveats and limitations and crap. Plus it has
 202019-09-24T01:18:35  <dognosewhiskers> to run on *this* computer because that's where all the other software is.
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 222019-09-24T01:20:15  <luke-jr> dognosewhiskers: why are you using Windows?
 232019-09-24T01:20:35  <jb55> dognosewhiskers: patches welcome
 242019-09-24T01:20:38  <tryphe> dognosewhiskers, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15909
 252019-09-24T01:20:51  <tryphe> it only takes like 10 seconds to search for it...
 262019-09-24T01:21:08  <luke-jr> it's stalled tho
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 282019-09-24T01:24:36  <jb55> looks good imo
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 302019-09-24T01:26:06  <dognosewhiskers> luke-jr: I really have to answer that question? "Because of the way the PC historically developed since its inception."
 312019-09-24T01:26:20  <dognosewhiskers> jb55: What looks good?
 322019-09-24T01:26:37  <dognosewhiskers> jb55: If I were able to fix it, I would send such a patch.
 332019-09-24T01:27:47  <luke-jr> dognosewhiskers: nobody working on Bitcoin uses Windows.
 342019-09-24T01:27:55  <luke-jr> oh, I guess NicolasDorier does
 352019-09-24T01:28:10  <luke-jr> jb55: looks buggy
 362019-09-24T01:28:59  <dognosewhiskers> Given that I've tried a million different flavours of Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Haiku, etc. in the last ~20 years, and they have always been completely broken and caused even more problems than the weeks of fighting it takes for a Windows machine to get into a semi-usable state, it's not strange that I "run Windows" now, because there's simply no choice.
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 382019-09-24T01:29:15  <dognosewhiskers> luke-jr: Well, maybe they should, if they care at all...
 392019-09-24T01:29:53  <tryphe> dognosewhiskers, let me guess, you want to run a payment processor running on top of php and windows?
 402019-09-24T01:29:54  <luke-jr> dognosewhiskers: Windows is a dead platform.
 412019-09-24T01:30:01  <luke-jr> dognosewhiskers: nobody should use it
 422019-09-24T01:30:17  <sipa> please, no OS flamewar here, it is both off topic and irrelevant
 432019-09-24T01:30:20  <fanquake> obviously this discussion is off-topic here. Take your windows vs linux discussion elsewhere
 442019-09-24T01:30:24  <sipa> dognosewhiskers: you're welcome to file an issue, help test the existing patch, weigh in on the discussion about it, or pay someone to fix it
 452019-09-24T01:30:49  <luke-jr> the PR suffices as an existing issue IMO
 462019-09-24T01:31:04  <dognosewhiskers> luke-jr: Yeah, the by far most used OS in the world is a dead platform...
 472019-09-24T01:31:09  <sipa> but complaining about how important your issue is and acting entitled to a solution os not going to encourage anyone to help
 482019-09-24T01:31:36  <sipa> that's the nature of open source software
 492019-09-24T01:31:47  <dognosewhiskers> The entire desktop computer feels dead, actually.
 502019-09-24T01:31:54  <dognosewhiskers> Which is insanity in itself.
 512019-09-24T01:32:06  <luke-jr> dognosewhiskers: move to #bitcoin for that tangent
 522019-09-24T01:32:25  <dognosewhiskers> Yeah, you can insult Windows as much as you want and claim these ridiciulous things, but when *I* open my mouth...
 532019-09-24T01:32:29  <dognosewhiskers> You want Bitcoin to fail.
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 552019-09-24T01:34:05  <sipa> luke-jr: your comments about windows where not helpful in this discussion, i think
 562019-09-24T01:34:30  <sipa> i conpletely agree it's a bad idea to run a payment process on windows these days
 572019-09-24T01:34:35  <luke-jr> maybe, but if he used Linux, he wouldn't have the problem
 582019-09-24T01:34:39  <luke-jr> or even Mac
 592019-09-24T01:34:58  <sipa> but it is a platform we support, and as a result things should work
 602019-09-24T01:35:36  <luke-jr> it works, even if not as nicely as he wanted
 612019-09-24T01:36:10  <luke-jr> Windows has chosen to open a console for his particular use case; we can perhaps workaround it, but blaming us for his OS's behaviour is just.. ugh
 622019-09-24T01:36:45  <sipa> he's right to want a solution
 632019-09-24T01:36:46  <luke-jr> actually, I wonder if there'd be a console if you specify a non-console app for -*notify
 642019-09-24T01:36:52  <sipa> he's not right to blame us
 652019-09-24T01:37:03  <luke-jr> if not, maybe a simple dummy wrapper is the answer
 662019-09-24T01:37:06  <luke-jr> noconsole.exe or something
 672019-09-24T01:37:42  <warren> Several years ago there was a frequent corruption issue on MacOS X. Devs couldn't figure it out for months. I offered a public bounty for information leading to diagnosis and fix of an issue on a platform that I don't use at all. The bug was fixed quickly. I tell this story as an example of an alternative to complaining about the priority of a problem.
 682019-09-24T01:39:36  <warren> i'm failing at englishing
 692019-09-24T01:39:43  <luke-jr> made sense to me
 702019-09-24T01:52:25  <sipa> englishing is hard
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1352019-09-24T08:37:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #16951: doc: add "trusted" string to gettransaction help (master...gettransaction_missing_trusted) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16951
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1372019-09-24T08:39:09  <wumpus> I think there's even a PR somewhere that resolves the issue, it uses a different way of calling the executable for notification; I remember there were some issues with it though, it's not straightforward to change the pop-up console behavior while retaining the rest of the current behavior
1382019-09-24T08:40:30  <wumpus> then again, if all it does is help entitled and abrasive people like them, I'm somehow even less motivated to look at it now *shrug*
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1792019-09-24T09:11:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3ce829888861...c838f2707ab7
1802019-09-24T09:11:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faa079d MarcoFalke: travis: Disable feature_block in tsan run
1812019-09-24T09:11:29  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c838f27 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16941: travis: Disable feature_block in tsan run due to OOM
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1842019-09-24T09:11:53  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16941: travis: Disable feature_block in tsan run due to OOM (master...1909-travisTsanOOM) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16941
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1882019-09-24T09:19:38  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli opened pull request #16952: make sure to update the UI when deleting a transaction (master...2019/09/fix_zap_ui) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16952
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1942019-09-24T10:16:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #16951: doc: add "trusted" string to gettransaction help (master...gettransaction_missing_trusted) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16951
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2132019-09-24T12:04:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] darosior closed pull request #15909: Use 'ShellExecute' instead of 'wsystem' in 'runCommand' for Windows. (master...windows_blocknotify_blink) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15909
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2202019-09-24T13:08:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fjahr opened pull request #16953: doc: Improve test READMEs (master...debugreadme) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16953
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2362019-09-24T14:48:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] icota opened pull request #16955: gui: only call getOrCreateWallet if wallet interface pointer not null (master...qt-loadwallet-crash) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16955
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2482019-09-24T15:20:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16956: validation: Make GetWitnessCommitmentIndex public (master...1909-valGetWitnessCommitmentIndexPublic) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16956
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2552019-09-24T15:33:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c838f2707ab7...36604b4ef568
2562019-09-24T15:33:38  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c15ac2c Jon Layton: doc: Move doxygen intro to file for USE_MDFILE_AS_MANPAGE
2572019-09-24T15:33:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dbdc758 Jon Layton: doc: Improve doxygen readme navigation section
2582019-09-24T15:33:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 36604b4 MarcoFalke: Merge #16912: doc: Remove Doxygen intro from src/bitcoind.cpp
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2612019-09-24T15:33:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16912: doc: Remove Doxygen intro from src/bitcoind.cpp (master...doc/doxygen-intro) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16912
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2812019-09-24T17:01:51  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: do you intend to update the PPA with 0.18.1?
2822019-09-24T17:02:30  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: likely not? people *should* be using the snap
2832019-09-24T17:02:34  <BlueMatt> but I can if there's need
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2852019-09-24T17:03:22  <luke-jr> snap isn't comparable
2862019-09-24T17:04:46  <BlueMatt> oh?
2872019-09-24T17:06:03  <luke-jr> PPAs are native builds, snaps are gitian "portable" static binaries
2882019-09-24T17:09:48  <BlueMatt> right, implying the snaps are gonna actually work, whereas the ppa breaks all the time
2892019-09-24T17:13:00  <BlueMatt> hmm, I guess I should update it given people still use it, but only for xenial/bionic
2902019-09-24T17:14:18  <BlueMatt> I'll do that.....sometime
2912019-09-24T17:14:27  <BlueMatt> when I'm back in ny, I guess, which is, like, a month from now
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3232019-09-24T18:38:54  <luke-jr> gitian builders please: * [new tag]               v0.18.1.knots20190920 -> v0.18.1.knots20190920
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3392019-09-24T19:05:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] martinus opened pull request #16957: 9% less memory: make SaltedOutpointHasher noexcept (master...2019-09-SaltedOutpointHasher-noexcept) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16957
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3842019-09-24T20:45:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16959: ci: Set $HOST before setting fallback values (master...1909-ciSetHost) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16959
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4002019-09-24T21:43:51  <achow101> what are the current PRs for a writable bitcoin.conf for things like that?
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