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132019-10-07T01:19:55 <BlueMatt> meeting topic (and review request, how does one summon the moneyball again?): #16834
142019-10-07T01:19:56 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16834 | Fetch Headers over DNS by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #16834 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
152019-10-07T01:20:09 <BlueMatt> I think its reasonable to move forward with the rustening for 0.20...
162019-10-07T01:20:54 <BlueMatt> interested parties likely include fanquake elichai2 cfields and others
172019-10-07T01:25:05 <elichai2> BlueMatt: what's up with #16762?
182019-10-07T01:25:07 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16762 | Rust-based Backup over-REST block downloader by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #16762 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
192019-10-07T01:25:30 <elichai2> I'll review 16834 in the next few days(flying 10 hours now :/)
202019-10-07T01:26:59 <BlueMatt> I rebased 16762 on top of 16834 cause 16834 is a good chunk simpler and is an easier first-rust
212019-10-07T01:27:13 <BlueMatt> ooo, 10 hours of flying sounds like great code review time! :p
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382019-10-07T03:40:02 <kallewoof> BlueMatt: You don't fly economy, I suspect :P
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492019-10-07T04:39:18 <BlueMatt> kallewoof: no, I do, I just also happen to be economy in size :p
502019-10-07T04:39:50 <kallewoof> BlueMatt: That's all good until the guy in front of you 90-degree drops his seat
512019-10-07T04:40:29 <BlueMatt> ehh, my experience tends to be more along the "why do these seats only go back like 5 degrees" line
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532019-10-07T04:41:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] D4nte opened pull request #17068: Always generate `bitcoinstrings.cpp` on `make translate` (master...16891-gettext-mac) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17068
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812019-10-07T06:56:21 <warren> luke-jr: midnightmagic: Do you think people would accept posts to new dev lists REQUIRE valid DMARC signatures? (to not be rejected at the MTA, still might need 100% moderation unless we can figure out how the previous attacker bypassed the whitelisting)
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972019-10-07T08:53:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #17069: tests: Pass fuzzing inputs as constant references (master...readonly-fuzzer-inputs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17069
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1212019-10-07T11:00:25 <luke-jr> warren: no, that would block me
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1742019-10-07T13:57:40 <harding> Would also block me.
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1882019-10-07T14:20:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #17070: wallet: Avoid showing GUI popups on RPC errors (master...1909-walletGuiPopupRpc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17070
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1922019-10-07T14:26:39 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7b701fef58f6...febc31c641b6
1932019-10-07T14:26:40 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ffa2221 practicalswift: tests: Pass fuzzing inputs as constant references
1942019-10-07T14:26:40 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master febc31c MarcoFalke: Merge #17069: tests: Pass fuzzing inputs as constant references
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1972019-10-07T14:27:04 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17069: tests: Pass fuzzing inputs as constant references (master...readonly-fuzzer-inputs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17069
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2042019-10-07T14:43:19 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #17071: tests: Add fuzzing harness for CheckBlock(...) and other CBlock related functions (master...fuzzers-block) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17071
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2872019-10-07T18:29:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #17073: move-only: PASTE macros to util/macros.h (master...1909-jamesPastemoveonly) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17073
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3082019-10-07T19:51:20 <emilengler> Where is the version deifned?
3092019-10-07T19:51:39 <emilengler> src/config is a gitignored file so it cannot be there
3102019-10-07T19:51:44 <emilengler> folder*
3112019-10-07T19:52:14 <sipa> src/version.h
3122019-10-07T19:52:35 <sipa> and src/clientversion.h
3132019-10-07T19:53:20 <sipa> the actual numbers come from the configuration
3142019-10-07T19:53:43 <emilengler> Ok, thats what I meant
3152019-10-07T19:53:57 <sipa> see configure.ac
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3352019-10-07T21:04:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mztriz opened pull request #17074: Added double quotes (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17074
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3642019-10-07T23:06:23 <sipa> achow101: regarding sortedmulti... the only thing i'm not sure about is whether we shouldn't make the syntax more generic, as it may be useful in miniscript as well
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3662019-10-07T23:06:48 <sipa> e.g. multi(2,sort(key1,key2,key3)) or so
3672019-10-07T23:06:50 <achow101> like just make some sort of "sort()"
3682019-10-07T23:07:16 <sipa> or as a modifier on the function
3692019-10-07T23:07:24 <sipa> multi.sorted(2,key1,key2,key3)
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3712019-10-07T23:09:35 <achow101> well multi.sorted would basically be the same thing as the sortedmulti, I don't think the implementation would change much or let it be more generic
3722019-10-07T23:09:50 <achow101> I think it would actually be better to have sort(...)
3732019-10-07T23:10:27 <achow101> in miniscript, the only places where multiple keys would be handled like that is with thresh(), right?
3742019-10-07T23:10:36 <sipa> thresh_m, specifically
3752019-10-07T23:11:05 <achow101> is that the same thing as multi()?
3762019-10-07T23:11:21 <sipa> it's CHECKMULTISIG or CHECKMULTISIGVERIFY, based on context
3772019-10-07T23:11:57 <sipa> though i'm skeptical about the concept of sorting keys in general, and it doesn't really generalize well to miniscript in any case
3782019-10-07T23:12:14 <sipa> as it's indeed limited to CMS based things anyway, and not anything more generic
3792019-10-07T23:12:50 <achow101> well what about a big multisig of just keys?
3802019-10-07T23:12:56 <achow101> more than what CMS can do
3812019-10-07T23:13:13 <sipa> sure
3822019-10-07T23:13:43 <sipa> i'm not saying sorting makes no sense in miniscript; but even there it is restricted to CMS-based things
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3842019-10-07T23:14:08 <sipa> for example you can't "sort" keys in a or(key1,and(key2,time)) policy
3852019-10-07T23:14:35 <sipa> as it will be obvious at spending time anyway which of the branches was used
3862019-10-07T23:14:57 <achow101> couldn't you sort by the serialization of each policy?
3872019-10-07T23:15:14 <achow101> or does that change depending on the order
3882019-10-07T23:15:28 <sipa> well you can change the sorting order of the argument in the or
3892019-10-07T23:15:35 <sipa> and inside the and
3902019-10-07T23:16:05 <sipa> but that doesn't accomplish what bip67 tries to do anyway; it's obvious at spending time which way of satisfying was used
3912019-10-07T23:16:46 <achow101> tbh, sorting doesn't make sense in descriptor land. AFAICT, the whole sorting thing is introduced because people wanted to just share pubkeys and arrive at the same redeemScript. Sharing descriptors achieves the same thing, albeit with a bit more data
3922019-10-07T23:17:05 <sipa> ah, i thought it was for privacy
3932019-10-07T23:17:27 <sipa> so you can't tell from the onchain data which participants signed based on the position of the keys
3942019-10-07T23:18:01 <achow101> well the stated motivation is for deterministic multisig addresses
3952019-10-07T23:18:02 <sipa> (which seems kinda pointless to me anyway; you already need a lot of information about the policy involved)
3962019-10-07T23:18:12 <achow101> "Title: Deterministic Pay-to-script-hash multi-signature addresses through public key sorting"
3972019-10-07T23:18:13 <sipa> ok
3982019-10-07T23:18:21 <achow101> You're thinking of bip69 which sorts outputs
3992019-10-07T23:18:29 <sipa> hmm, no
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4012019-10-07T23:21:18 <achow101> anyways, bip67 is supposed to aid with multisig setup as users can just enter a threshold and then xpubs, and all get the same set of addresses. if instead a descriptor were given to enter, the same problem is solved
4022019-10-07T23:21:33 <sipa> agreed
4032019-10-07T23:22:00 <achow101> so I don't think that miniscript should need to care about general sorting since that kind of UX issue won't be a problem, the miniscript itself results in the same script always
4042019-10-07T23:23:16 <sipa> that seems reasonable
4052019-10-07T23:23:29 <sipa> that means we can restrict the sorted stuff to just multi() outside of descriptors
4062019-10-07T23:23:37 <sipa> and i don't care very much about the syntax :)
4072019-10-07T23:24:02 <achow101> ok. so I'll just leave it as sortedmulti(..)
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4142019-10-07T23:50:26 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider closed pull request #17028: [rpc] Include immature coinbase in listunspent (master...listunspent-immature) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17028
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