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72019-11-26T00:04:15 <dviola> I'm confused
82019-11-26T00:06:08 <achow101> dviola: the tarballs you download from bitcoincore.org are signed. I think luke-jr is talking about the tarballs that github generates for tags
92019-11-26T00:06:31 <dviola> oh
102019-11-26T00:06:39 <dviola> I see
112019-11-26T00:06:54 <dviola> if I compile from git then I don't need to verify anything, right?
122019-11-26T00:07:29 <dviola> i.e. if I clone from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
132019-11-26T00:08:14 <achow101> you should at least check the tag signature
142019-11-26T00:08:41 <achow101> you can also do a gitian build and check that your result matches the published binaries
152019-11-26T00:08:45 <luke-jr> dviola: if you blindly trust GitHub, their security, and each and every maintainer
162019-11-26T00:09:03 <luke-jr> or only check out a tag like achow101 suggests
172019-11-26T00:09:15 <dviola> I don't trust github
182019-11-26T00:10:03 <dviola> I'll just use the tarballs for now :P
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292019-11-26T00:41:01 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #17606: qt, refactor: Use proper classes for Ui::* (master...20191125-fix-ui-baseclass) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17606
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322019-11-26T00:49:30 <dviola> git verify-tag v0.19.0.1 tells me: gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
332019-11-26T00:49:42 <dviola> which key do I have to import?
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352019-11-26T01:00:51 <achow101> dviola: it's one of the keys in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/contrib/verify-commits/trusted-keys
362019-11-26T01:01:12 <achow101> those are the maintainers' PGP fingerprints
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462019-11-26T01:10:43 <dviola> hrm
472019-11-26T01:14:23 <dviola> I'm not very familiar with gpg :/
482019-11-26T01:16:29 <dviola> 71A3B16735405025D447E8F274810B012346C9A6
492019-11-26T01:16:35 <dviola> how do I use it to verify the tag?
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542019-11-26T01:30:11 <dviola> --recv-keys did the trick
552019-11-26T01:46:27 <dviola> so verify-tag tells me "good signature", is that all I have to do to verify the tag?
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952019-11-26T04:23:59 <luke-jr> dviola: you also need to be sure that's the correct key you trust
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972019-11-26T04:24:30 <luke-jr> dviola: for now, I suggest finding a video where one of them gave a presentation with their key visible in the slides
982019-11-26T04:24:37 <luke-jr> ideally, verify in the flesh
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1682019-11-26T08:27:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2c1c43754b7a...0ee914ba9e59
1692019-11-26T08:27:21 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1a3a256 Harris: wallet: replace raw pointer with const reference in AddrToPubKey
1702019-11-26T08:27:22 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0ee914b Samuel Dobson: Merge #17584: wallet: replace raw pointer with const reference in AddrToPu...
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1732019-11-26T08:27:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider merged pull request #17584: wallet: replace raw pointer with const reference in AddrToPubKey (master...rpcwallet-redundant-pointer-conversion) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17584
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2342019-11-26T10:39:14 <wumpus> dviola: FWIW rcs have tarballs and binaries too https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.19.0/test.rc3/
2352019-11-26T10:40:25 <wumpus> the tarball is a subset of the repository contents, for obscure GNU legacy reasons, we're working on making it a full archive (see #17104), the contents of the tarball should be enough to build your own binaries though
2362019-11-26T10:40:27 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17104 | build: `make dist` uses `git archive` by ch4ot1c · Pull Request #17104 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3022019-11-26T13:23:38 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag opened pull request #17611: gui: Make send and receive widgets extend QWidget (master...2019-11-send-receive-widgets) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17611
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3122019-11-26T13:57:19 <dviola> luke-jr: alright, thanks
3132019-11-26T13:57:55 <dviola> wumpus: thanks
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3192019-11-26T14:49:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0ee914ba9e59...f2ab1309619b
3202019-11-26T14:49:24 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8781904 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Fix class name of Ui::ModalOverlay
3212019-11-26T14:49:25 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 93352d2 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Use proper class for Ui::ReceiveCoinsDialog
3222019-11-26T14:49:25 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f2ab130 fanquake: Merge #17606: qt, refactor: Use proper classes for Ui::*
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3252019-11-26T14:49:43 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #17606: qt, refactor: Use proper classes for Ui::* (master...20191125-fix-ui-baseclass) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17606
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3332019-11-26T15:15:17 <jnewbery> MarcoFalke, wumpus: #17283 seems ready for merge (5 ACKs total, 2 on the current head commit). It's also just a documentation and test change
3342019-11-26T15:15:20 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17283 | rpc: improve getaddressinfo test coverage, help, code docs by jonatack · Pull Request #17283 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3392019-11-26T15:19:36 <fanquake> I enjoy how that PR has managed to introduce yet another way to describe epoch time in the RPC output
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3412019-11-26T15:23:52 <jonatack> fanquake: can revert/change that, if desired, in #17578
3422019-11-26T15:23:55 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17578 | rpc: simplify getaddressinfo labels, deprecate previous behavior by jonatack · Pull Request #17578 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3432019-11-26T15:26:24 <jonatack> fanquake: unsure which version of Epoch Time is the standard, though :)
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3452019-11-26T15:30:56 <fanquake> I don't really care
3462019-11-26T15:31:05 <fanquake> There's currently "since epoch", "epoch (Jan 1 1970 GMT)", "Unix seconds-since-epoch", "since epoch (midnight Jan 1 1970 GMT)", "(seconds since Unix epoch)", and we'll be adding "since Epoch Time (Jan 1 1970 GMT)"
3472019-11-26T15:31:19 <fanquake> I'm probably missing some too
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3492019-11-26T15:31:45 <jonatack> hehe, will pick one
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3592019-11-26T15:54:07 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f2ab1309619b...4fb82e916b3b
3602019-11-26T15:54:07 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 27d82b6 fanquake: gui: remove macOS start on login code
3612019-11-26T15:54:08 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4fb82e9 fanquake: Merge #17567: gui: remove macOS start on login code
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3642019-11-26T15:54:26 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #17567: gui: remove macOS start on login code (master...remove_macos_startup_item) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17567
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3672019-11-26T15:57:16 <wumpus> jnewbery: agree
3682019-11-26T16:00:30 <MarcoFalke> Yeah, we should probably clarify that all times in Bitcoin are not clocks (e.g. the c++11 clock), but durations measured from epoch
3692019-11-26T16:01:09 <wumpus> fanquake: FWIW I think "UNIX epoch time" in itself should be enough, it's not really the domain of RPC documentation to explain things like that
3702019-11-26T16:01:31 <MarcoFalke> Maybe pull it out into a string, so that it is at least consistent
3712019-11-26T16:01:33 <wumpus> a simple google/wikipedia query can give all the details on that
3722019-11-26T16:01:42 <wumpus> yeah
3732019-11-26T16:01:50 <MarcoFalke> Agree that "UNIX epoch time" or something short should be sufficient
3742019-11-26T16:01:50 <fanquake> ð
3752019-11-26T16:02:36 <MarcoFalke> s/c++11 clocks/ c++11 time points/
3762019-11-26T16:03:37 <jonatack> +1
3772019-11-26T16:08:41 <fanquake> good-first-issued it in #17613. Maybe someone will see the tweet and fix it for us.
3782019-11-26T16:08:43 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17613 | doc: unify epoch time description in RPC output · Issue #17613 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3802019-11-26T16:09:08 <jonatack> In RPCExamples, is there a norm between providing real addresses, versus invalid ones?
3812019-11-26T16:09:53 <aj> MarcoFalke: i could see having two different chrono::time_points/clocks to distinguish mockable and non-mockable time fwiw
3822019-11-26T16:10:51 <jonatack> I wondered when updating the getaddressinfo example to bech32.
3832019-11-26T16:11:06 <sipa> MarcoFalke: how is it possible that s390x is faster than most other platforms?
3842019-11-26T16:11:18 <sipa> is it running on an actual IBM supercomputer? :s
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3862019-11-26T16:12:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 8 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4fb82e916b3b...d8a66626d631
3872019-11-26T16:12:09 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 70cda34 Jon Atack: rpc: improve getaddressinfo RPCHelpman formatting
3882019-11-26T16:12:09 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5a0ed85 Jon Atack: rpc: improve getaddressinfo RPCHelpman content
3892019-11-26T16:12:10 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8d1ed0c Jon Atack: rpc: clarify label vs labels in getaddressinfo RPCHelpman
3902019-11-26T16:12:10 <aj> MarcoFalke: (i tried it out a bit. one downside is that due to c++ lameness, you can't have atomic<time_point>. otherwise it's kind of invasive, in the same way switching to durations is, but seems to work ok)
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3932019-11-26T16:12:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #17283: rpc: improve getaddressinfo test coverage, help, code docs (master...rpc-getaddressinfo-labels) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17283
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4062019-11-26T17:04:54 <wumpus> 0.17.2 binaries up https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.17.2/
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4232019-11-26T17:53:33 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] petterhs opened pull request #17614: rpc: fix failure calling dumptxoutset with invalid filename (master...fix-rpc-dumptxoutset) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17614
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4272019-11-26T17:57:46 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] brakmic opened pull request #17615: rpc: check for irregular files in dumptxoutset (master...dumptxoutset-invalid-file-error) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17615
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4302019-11-26T17:58:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] petterhs closed pull request #17614: rpc: fix failure calling dumptxoutset with invalid filename (master...fix-rpc-dumptxoutset) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17614
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4542019-11-26T19:16:32 <dviola> can I run a node from git master, or not recommended?
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4562019-11-26T19:17:37 <jarthur> A fine node for testnet. For mainnet⦠*shrug*
4572019-11-26T19:17:58 <dviola> hrm
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4602019-11-26T19:21:11 <jonatack> dviola: this may be a poor example to follow, but i test nodes on master and PR branches all the time (with very small/symbolic amounts in them) on mainnet
4612019-11-26T19:21:24 <vasild> Why not on mainnet too? Else how will new code be tested on mainnet? Putting (many) BTC in it is another question.
4622019-11-26T19:21:43 <jonatack> ^
4632019-11-26T19:23:15 <jonatack> for dev purposes though. most people should probably only test release candidates, i suppose.
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4652019-11-26T19:24:02 <jonatack> which would already be very helpful
4662019-11-26T19:27:32 <jarthur> In theory, what's in master has been accepted in both concept and code by other developers and has been tested. It hasn't baked as long in a features-frozen state, so might have slightly higher risk of A) participating in an accidental soft or hard fork. or B) loss of funds. The risk of an accidental fork damaging the network is made higher the higher number of nodes running from master there are.
4672019-11-26T19:29:32 <jarthur> https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/?q=Satoshi:0.19.99 are some folks that might be running master or an preliminary release of some sort.
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4722019-11-26T19:47:38 <ysangkok> jarthur: "more master implies more forking" implies that master actually hard forks and those forks are fixed before the rc process. how often did that happen in the past?
4732019-11-26T19:48:27 <sipa> as far as i know, once
4742019-11-26T19:48:34 <sipa> before 0.8
4752019-11-26T19:48:47 <sipa> eh, 0.10
4762019-11-26T19:49:16 <sipa> though found by improved p2p tests, not rc procesz
4772019-11-26T19:50:49 <ysangkok> i guess it is very subjective and dependent on how afraid of hard forks you are, and how much you desire more testers. i always hear people complaining about the lack of testing in code review. it is never explicitly explained how this reconciles with an advice against running off master
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4802019-11-26T19:56:12 <jarthur> ysangkok: I'm definitely not advising against running off master. Depending on what the goals of your node are (e.g. testing some code in real-world scenarios), it might the exact correct thing to do.
4812019-11-26T19:57:23 <ysangkok> all right, happy to hear that, mostly because i think of master of pretty stable and i want that view confirmed :P
4822019-11-26T19:57:47 <ysangkok> (speaking as someone not financially invested)
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5022019-11-26T20:52:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #17617: rpc: replace varying UNIX time strings with a constant (master...unix-epoch-time-consistency) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17617
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5432019-11-26T23:09:31 <dviola> jonatack: I see, interesting
5442019-11-26T23:09:43 <dviola> I might do something similar in the future
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