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952020-07-20T08:01:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #19558: build: split pthread flags out of ldflags and dont use when building libconsensus (master...split_out_pthread_flags) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19558
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2332020-07-20T13:41:07 <elichai2> fanquake: about bitcoin#19559 and secp #768, will I be able to reproduce this in a OpenBSD 6.7 VM with clang 8.0.1 installed and that's it?
2342020-07-20T13:41:08 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19559 | build: cannot compile on OpenBSD since libsecp256k1 subtree update · Issue #19559 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2352020-07-20T13:41:09 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/768 | Update seednodes, pick long-uptime nodes with version >= 0.4.0 by nanotube · Pull Request #768 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2362020-07-20T13:41:55 <fanquake> elichai2 yes
2372020-07-20T13:42:12 <elichai2> kk, will try probing it later
2382020-07-20T13:43:26 <fanquake> Not really expecting anything to change in libsecp, as the underlying problem is the macro and the fact that OpenBSD still bundles an ancient GCC
2392020-07-20T13:43:43 <fanquake> Likely we'll just end up updating out OpenBSD build doc
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3042020-07-20T16:53:37 <jeremyrubin> jonatack: is your preference for me to fix these style changes and you'll re-ack?
3052020-07-20T16:54:43 <jeremyrubin> Or prefer an add-on commit fixing whitespace?
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3222020-07-20T17:21:45 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #19542: Revert "refactor: replace CConnman pointers by references in net_processing.cpp" (master...2020_07_revert_19174) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19542
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3282020-07-20T17:41:38 <jeremyrubin> Ok I just added some refactor only commits to fix the spacing and make some variables 'modernized'
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3352020-07-20T18:12:52 <jonatack> jeremyrubin: fix and re-ack :)
3362020-07-20T18:13:36 <jonatack> jeremyrubin: i do try to re-ack quickly when authors take feedback
3372020-07-20T18:14:13 <jonatack> (nice work on that pr btw)
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3532020-07-20T19:20:16 <CubicEarth> Is the Bicoin Core fee estimator more or less broken? There isn't any change in estimated fee regardless of the timeframe selected, with the exception of 'within 2 blocks', which is currently showing about 70x the fee as everything else
3542020-07-20T19:20:34 <CubicEarth> at least on my machine
3552020-07-20T19:20:58 <sipa> how long has your node been running?
3562020-07-20T19:21:11 <CubicEarth> Oh, and I'm running 19.0.1 ... so perhaps it's fixed on 20!
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3582020-07-20T19:22:57 <jeremyrubin> CubicEarth: You should try upgrading to the latest minor release instead of major
3592020-07-20T19:23:19 <jeremyrubin> Can double check if any fee estimation fixes are in that one
3602020-07-20T19:23:26 <CubicEarth> sipa: I was synced as of yesterday, and then off overnight. Then I fired it up just 15 minutes ago to make a transaction. Does it actually need to be live for some period of time (like many hours?) before the estimator works well?
3612020-07-20T19:24:11 <jeremyrubin> (that's 19.1)
3622020-07-20T19:24:54 <sipa> iirc there haven't been any changes to fee estimation for a long time
3632020-07-20T19:25:12 <jeremyrubin> yeah I don't see any in either release notes
3642020-07-20T19:25:27 <sipa> CubicEarth: rulw of thumb is that to get reliable N-block estimates, your node needs to be up for at least the past 2N blocms
3652020-07-20T19:26:46 <CubicEarth> sipa: I see. Is that because it's comparing its own mempool observations with what ends up on chain?
3662020-07-20T19:26:57 <sipa> yes
3672020-07-20T19:27:06 <jeremyrubin> sipa: is that derived from nyquist???
3682020-07-20T19:28:08 <sipa> jeremyrubin: no
3692020-07-20T19:29:06 <jeremyrubin> ;)
3702020-07-20T19:33:36 <CubicEarth> It's a tempting for there to be a way to instruct your node to request fee data from somewhere else, to bootstrap the estimator. Understood that introduces an element of trust... but perhaps there could be safeguards?
3712020-07-20T19:34:37 <sipa> CubicEarth: no need for a node in that case, just use a website
3722020-07-20T19:34:51 <sipa> if you're happy to trust someone else to gether the information, just ask them directly
3732020-07-20T19:36:16 <CubicEarth> sipa: I was just thinking of a way to not be typing in more numbers or manually copying and pasting, which I worry about the fat finger
3742020-07-20T19:41:46 <sipa> well bitcoin core isn't going to contact a trusted third party
3752020-07-20T19:41:54 <sipa> at least not by default
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3802020-07-20T19:51:58 <CubicEarth> sipa: definitely not by default!
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3842020-07-20T20:07:51 <gwillen> CubicEarth: I'm curious, does it seem like the fees it's showing were reasonable as of the block you were synced to, or were they crazier than that?
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3882020-07-20T20:14:39 <CubicEarth> A few minutes (5?) after turning on my node, it was suggesting a fee of 0.01252 mBTC/kB for all time frames, which at the moment is much too low. It seems like as it gets more data, it progressively recalibrates for the longer / less urgent time frames. But for sure it jumped from recommending 0.0125 up to 0.719 for the 4 block window once it got more current data
3892020-07-20T20:15:07 <CubicEarth> * much too low for anything to happen in the next few hours
3902020-07-20T20:16:38 <gwillen> mostly what I'm wondering is, does Core always seem to present estimates that are reasonable based on what it knows, or does it sometimes present estimates that are disastrously bad for which it clearly should know better
3912020-07-20T20:17:02 <sipa> it probably should give an error for time frames too long for it to have data on
3922020-07-20T20:17:04 <gwillen> (e.g. it seems like probably any estimate should come with a warning if you can see a header chain that is way past where you can see the blocks)
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3942020-07-20T20:17:07 <gwillen> yeah
3952020-07-20T20:17:15 <CubicEarth> exactly
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3972020-07-20T20:20:57 <CubicEarth> The longer times seem like they could function somewhat reliably even if the node was only on intermittently during a similar period extending into the past. And reliable estimates for getting a tx into the next few blocks should be able to be build quickly :)
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3992020-07-20T20:21:51 <CubicEarth> I know I would rather have no estimate than a very bad estimate... and then I can look elsewhere or wait
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4012020-07-20T20:27:36 <sipa> CubicEarth: of course
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4062020-07-20T20:35:09 <CubicEarth> on a related note... I tried to used the RBF mechanism ;) And I was surprised that there was only one option presented as to how much of an increased fee to pay. again, NVM is this has been changed in 0.20.
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