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52020-08-20T00:41:17 <midnight> luke-jr: My little baby-PR is sitting waiting for author. This implies you're waiting for me to correct the bits suggested in the PR and push to my PR branch..?
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82020-08-20T00:46:11 <luke-jr> midnight: which PR is that?
92020-08-20T00:52:51 <midnight> luke-jr: #19430 I think
102020-08-20T00:52:54 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19430 | build: configure.ac and netbsd-build.md for NetBSD by midnightmagic · Pull Request #19430 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
112020-08-20T00:54:07 <midnight> So I *think* all that's left is to address wumpus' request that I re-arrange the ./configure invocation..
122020-08-20T00:54:20 <luke-jr> and rebase
132020-08-20T00:54:22 <midnight> (In the netbsd build doc)
142020-08-20T00:54:24 <midnight> k.
152020-08-20T00:54:31 <luke-jr> note #19614 is merged and probably affects it
162020-08-20T00:54:33 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19614 | util: use HAVE_FDATASYNC to determine fdatasync() use by fanquake · Pull Request #19614 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
172020-08-20T00:54:34 <luke-jr> mayeb silently
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192020-08-20T00:56:42 <midnight> likely not, as 19430 disables it on NetBSD. Likely it can be re-enabled in the future if leveldb upstream ever corrects the invocation on a directory but right now it basically just has to be disabled on NetBSD..
202020-08-20T00:57:20 <midnight> So.. actually I think that corrects it more thoroughly.
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222020-08-20T00:57:22 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e9b30126545d...44f66d2f10cb
232020-08-20T00:57:23 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 333329d MarcoFalke: doc: Fix getmempoolancestor RPC result doc
242020-08-20T00:57:23 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 44f66d2 fanquake: Merge #19765: doc: Fix getmempoolancestors RPC result doc
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272020-08-20T00:57:42 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #19765: doc: Fix getmempoolancestors RPC result doc (master...2008-rpcDoc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19765
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292020-08-20T00:58:26 <midnight> Hrm.. no wait that's on a file. Apologies, you're correct.
302020-08-20T01:00:45 <sipa> midnight: do you have power9 hardware?
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452020-08-20T02:17:58 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/44f66d2f10cb...70d7ddbcbbea
462020-08-20T02:17:58 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 45cf55c Dhruv Mehta: test: remove `CNodeNoVersionMisbehavior` from p2p_leak.py
472020-08-20T02:17:59 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f6f082b Dhruv Mehta: test: remove `CNodeNoVersionIdle` from p2p_leak.py
482020-08-20T02:18:00 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ed5cd12 Dhruv Mehta: test: Distinguish between nodes(bitcoind) and peers(mininodes) in p2p_leak...
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512020-08-20T02:18:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #19727: test: Remove unused classes from p2p_leak.py (master...test-p2p-leak) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19727
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752020-08-20T03:25:38 <kallewoof> sipa: don't wanna derail the thread, but in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19628#discussion_r473522167 you are saying it's UB, but if I read your code, the only difference is that you cast `a` to a uint8_t* in the `memcpy` call; or are you referring to my second option without `memcpy`?
762020-08-20T03:26:02 <sipa> kallewoof: casting any pointer to uint8_t* is allowed
772020-08-20T03:26:06 <sipa> the other direction isn't
782020-08-20T03:26:30 <kallewoof> freaky. i never realized casting something would have beyond-compile-time consequences
792020-08-20T03:27:00 <sipa> kallewoof: you should think of memory as a bunch of objects, and those objects have a strict type
802020-08-20T03:27:05 <sipa> memory is NOT a byte array
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822020-08-20T03:27:16 <sipa> you can access those objects through compatible pointers
832020-08-20T03:27:57 <sipa> which are either the right type for the object they're pointing to (possibly with const added, or supertypes if inheritance is involved, or a few more things), OR char* OR unsigned char*
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852020-08-20T03:28:21 <midnight> sipa: I sure do, yes. Two of them. The second one I'm just in the process of carefully rebuilding from PNOR/BMC up to self-built OS (FreeBSD in this case.)
862020-08-20T03:29:48 <midnight> Hundreds of GB RAM, and hundreds of TB of drive storage in the arrays attached to them (to greater or lesser degree.) One of them has a 4x NVMe array for speed tests, and they both have some nice SSD sprinkled around..
872020-08-20T03:30:33 <sipa> midnight: luke-jr was asking about PRs for power9 support, maybe you can test things
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922020-08-20T03:37:25 <midnight> I can try. :)
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942020-08-20T03:39:26 <kallewoof> sipa: i understand what you're saying, but i'm still not entirely clear on how casting a uint32_t to a uint8_t[] would change how memcpy behaves. googling around i come up with stuff about strict aliasing which seems unrelated.
952020-08-20T03:41:01 <sipa> kallewoof: what?
962020-08-20T03:41:05 <sipa> memcpy has nothing to do with i
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982020-08-20T03:41:28 <sipa> you can't have an object of type uint8_t[], and then tell the compiler to pretend it's a uint32_t*
992020-08-20T03:41:43 <kallewoof> i thought you said memcpy((uint8_t*)&a, ...) was fine but memcpy(&a, ...) was UB
1002020-08-20T03:41:53 <sipa> no
1012020-08-20T03:42:43 <sipa> `uint32_t a = *(uint32_t*)m_addr.data();` is UB
1022020-08-20T03:42:57 <kallewoof> that explains my confusion. okay, cool
1032020-08-20T03:43:00 <sipa> sorry if that wasn't clear!
1042020-08-20T03:43:44 <kallewoof> all good!
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1262020-08-20T04:45:48 <kallewoof> I think https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18267 is close to merge ready
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1292020-08-20T04:51:48 <shesek> it seems like `getblockstats`'s `txs` field does count the coinbase, despite the documentation saying otherwise? `bitcoin-cli getblockstats 644498 '["txs"]'` returns 1
1302020-08-20T04:51:58 <shesek> the docs describe the field as "The number of transactions (excluding coinbase)"
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1332020-08-20T04:52:29 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #14066: gitian-linux: Build binaries for 64-bit POWER (master...gitian_power64) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14066
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1352020-08-20T04:52:48 <sipa> #18267
1362020-08-20T04:52:51 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18267 | BIP-325: Signet [consensus] by kallewoof · Pull Request #18267 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1372020-08-20T04:53:39 <kallewoof> shesek: yeah it does include the coinbase: ret_all.pushKV("txs", (int64_t)block.vtx.size());
1382020-08-20T04:54:29 <kallewoof> sipa: BIP-325: Signet [consensus] #18267
1392020-08-20T04:54:31 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18267 | BIP-325: Signet [consensus] by kallewoof · Pull Request #18267 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1402020-08-20T04:55:34 <sipa> indeed, i wonder why it claims "(excludes coinbase)"
1412020-08-20T04:55:54 <shesek> filed an issue at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19766
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1432020-08-20T04:56:12 <shesek> #19766
1442020-08-20T04:56:13 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19766 | getblockstatss txs field is incorrectly documented as excluding the coinbase transaction · Issue #19766 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1452020-08-20T04:58:06 <shesek> sipa, total_size does exclude it, maybe this got confused somehow?
1462020-08-20T04:58:59 <shesek> which itself seems somewhat unexpected, and inconsistent with the `getblock` size field
1472020-08-20T04:59:22 <sipa> yeah, that's weird
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1502020-08-20T05:00:38 <luke-jr> ret_all.pushKV("avgtxsize", (block.vtx.size() > 1) ? total_size / (block.vtx.size() - 1) : 0);
1512020-08-20T05:00:42 <luke-jr> _that_ is weird
1522020-08-20T05:01:32 <luke-jr> oh, it's actually measuring size manually (and does actually exclude the generation)
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3062020-08-20T09:36:33 <jonatack> shesek: rebased PR 19405 per our irc discussion yesterday http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/log-2020-08-19.html#l-375
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3862020-08-20T12:14:46 <shesek> jonatack, very nice, thank you!
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4562020-08-20T14:00:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/70d7ddbcbbea...27eeb0337b08
4572020-08-20T14:00:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 667bc7a Fabian Jahr: rpc: Add getindexinfo RPC
4582020-08-20T14:00:53 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c447b09 Fabian Jahr: test: Add tests for getindexinfo RPC
4592020-08-20T14:00:53 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 124e1ee Fabian Jahr: doc: Add release notes for getindexinfo RPC
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4622020-08-20T14:01:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #19550: rpc: Add getindexinfo RPC (master...index_rpc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19550
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4842020-08-20T14:49:51 <fjahr> Review beg for #19601, would be good to get it in both for #17977 and #19055. It has two ACKs but went a bit stale the last 2 weeks.
4852020-08-20T14:49:53 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19601 | Refactoring CHashWriter & Get{Prevouts,Sequence,Outputs}Hash to SHA256 (Alternative to #18071) by JeremyRubin · Pull Request #19601 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4862020-08-20T14:49:57 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17977 | Implement BIP 340-342 validation (Schnorr/taproot/tapscript) by sipa · Pull Request #17977 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4872020-08-20T14:50:00 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19055 | Add MuHash3072 implementation by fjahr · Pull Request #19055 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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5342020-08-20T16:47:14 <theStack> is anyone here familiar with BIP 152? i try to understand the impact of receiving a sendcmpct(0) message ("low bandwidth relaying") from a peer
5352020-08-20T16:47:43 <theStack> looking at the code, it seems that a node happily serves cmpctblocks as response to getdata(CMPCT), even without having received sendcmpct(0) before
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5372020-08-20T16:48:59 <theStack> so the only purpose of sendcmpct(0) is deactivating a previous sendcmpct(1) -- what did i miss?
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5402020-08-20T16:55:11 <instagibbs> theStack, IIRC "low bandwidth" means you are telling peer to only send headers, then you can respond with a getdata for the cmpctblk
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5422020-08-20T16:55:25 <instagibbs> high bandwidth means just send the compact version
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5442020-08-20T16:56:21 <satoshin> Hello
5452020-08-20T16:57:03 <satoshin> the bitcoincore.org website is legit? I mean it is owned by core developers or it is just a stunt?
5462020-08-20T16:57:42 <satoshin> I own the https://bitcoin.foundation website and wish to create a list of core developers
5472020-08-20T16:59:10 <theStack> instagibbs: okay, i was just wondering if nodes that never received sendcmpct(0) should reply to getdata for cmpctblks or not
5482020-08-20T16:59:31 <theStack> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0152/protocol-flow.png <- it seems like the right case (C) works without the "sendcmpct(0)" as well
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5512020-08-20T17:04:26 <satoshin> I actually trying to figure out the way to not to have Bitcoin node on public IP addresses at all. The real problem with Bitcoin is that nodes are stored on a IP address and not on devices of the participants. I did created a fork of ZeroNet (https://zeronet.io) but I did failed to share the blockchain between two nodes on this network.
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5542020-08-20T17:05:38 <luke-jr> satoshin: soliciting donations on behalf of people without their knowledge or permission looks pretty scammy
5552020-08-20T17:06:02 <satoshin> luke-jr what are you talking about?
5562020-08-20T17:06:44 <luke-jr> satoshin: "Donate Bitcoin to the Bitcoin Foundation by sending Bitcoin donations to the Human Rights Foundation."
5572020-08-20T17:07:01 <satoshin> That is correct
5582020-08-20T17:07:05 <luke-jr> no, it isn't
5592020-08-20T17:07:26 <satoshin> and why you think that?
5602020-08-20T17:07:34 <luke-jr> well, first of all, you're not the Bitcoin Foundation
5612020-08-20T17:07:45 <luke-jr> the Bitcoin Foundation's website is https://bitcoinfoundation.org/
5622020-08-20T17:07:51 <satoshin> lol
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5642020-08-20T17:08:03 <satoshin> You talk about the real scammers bother
5652020-08-20T17:08:06 <luke-jr> secondly, IIRC this "Human Rights Foundation" is itself a scam?
5662020-08-20T17:08:18 <satoshin> We are a Swiss human rights organization
5672020-08-20T17:08:19 <luke-jr> the legitimacy or not of the Bitcoin Foundation is debatable, but they are the entity
5682020-08-20T17:08:26 <satoshin> and we do accept Bitcoin for years pulicly
5692020-08-20T17:08:54 <satoshin> the New York based ultra right-wing hrf in the other hand started they website for Bitcoin to attack our finances
5702020-08-20T17:09:31 <satoshin> https://web.archive.org/*/hrf.org/donate-bitcoin is started in March of 2019 after that they failed to bully us with trademarks in EU and USA
5712020-08-20T17:09:56 <sipa> please, take this elsewhere
5722020-08-20T17:10:08 <sipa> this channel is for technical discussion on bitcoin core development
5732020-08-20T17:10:11 <satoshin> Better just not talk about
5742020-08-20T17:10:15 <satoshin> I know sipa
5752020-08-20T17:10:28 <satoshin> so I come here for a full list of code developers
5762020-08-20T17:10:37 <satoshin> can you give me that list?
5772020-08-20T17:10:43 <satoshin> core*
5782020-08-20T17:10:44 <achow101> satoshin: look at github
5792020-08-20T17:10:48 <sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors
5802020-08-20T17:11:31 <satoshin> Thank you
5812020-08-20T17:11:51 <sipa> for questions on how to use bitcoin core like your question above, i suggest https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com (some people here including me are pretty active there)
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5832020-08-20T17:12:33 <satoshin> I also would like to ask why a peer-to-peer software is developed on a centralized (censorable) network like GitHub.com we can't have something else which is not subject of abuse?
5842020-08-20T17:13:43 <achow101> because decentralized code repos don't work
5852020-08-20T17:13:56 <luke-jr> sorry, thought this was #bitcoin
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5872020-08-20T17:15:20 <satoshin> is not true https://github.com/imachug/gitcenter this is hosted on ZeroNet achow101 do is definitelly possible to develop software on a truly peer-to-peer network
5882020-08-20T17:16:00 <luke-jr> ⦠that's a GitHub link
5892020-08-20T17:16:10 <achow101> and now you have restricted development to the 5 people willing to set it up
5902020-08-20T17:16:32 <sipa> satoshin: it's a good question, and something we have discussed before - but ultimately, we don't strongly rely on github - git repositories can easily be moved
5912020-08-20T17:16:33 <satoshin> http://127.0.0.1:43110/1GitLiXB6t5r8vuU2zC6a8GYj9ME6HMQ4t/ <--- ZeroNet link
5922020-08-20T17:16:40 <elichai2> Is there any reason *not* to use std::array?
5932020-08-20T17:16:46 <luke-jr> satoshin: connection refused
5942020-08-20T17:17:00 <sipa> and github's ecosystem is very valuable for gathering participation
5952020-08-20T17:17:13 <satoshin> because it is pointed to localhost port 43110 which is requires you to install ZeroNet
5962020-08-20T17:17:23 <luke-jr> ZeroNet doesn't appear to even be available for Gentoo
5972020-08-20T17:17:37 <satoshin> it is written in python
5982020-08-20T17:17:44 <satoshin> you can run even on Android
5992020-08-20T17:18:02 <sipa> we're not going to make contributors participate through zeronet
6002020-08-20T17:18:03 <sipa> sorry
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6022020-08-20T17:18:32 <satoshin> this sounded very authoritarian sipa
6032020-08-20T17:19:07 <sipa> there are legitimate concerns about github's centralization, and we have to be watchful for those
6042020-08-20T17:19:14 <sipa> but this discussion isn't helpful
6052020-08-20T17:19:17 <luke-jr> ZeroNet doesn't even look decentralised
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6072020-08-20T17:19:36 <achow101> the more steps it takes to get new people to contribute means that there will be fewer contributors. we need more people to contribute and making it more difficult to contribute in the name of decentralization is not helpful
6082020-08-20T17:19:52 <satoshin> you basically saying we not going to develop a peer-to-peer electronic cash system on a peer-to-peer network which is absurd in my opinion. you make a decision about where Bitcoin will be developed like you own the copyright to Bitcoin or something
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6102020-08-20T17:20:15 <elichai2> (trying to figure out why will people use fresh hell code like `void f(uint8_t (&arr)[N])`)
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6122020-08-20T17:20:30 <satoshin> Copyright (c) 2009 Satoshi NakamotoPermission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copyof this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to dealin the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rightsto use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sellcopies of the
6132020-08-20T17:20:30 <satoshin> Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software isfurnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included inall copies or substantial portions of the Software.THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS ORIMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO
6142020-08-20T17:20:31 <satoshin> THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THEAUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHERLIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS INTHE SOFTWARE.
6152020-08-20T17:20:35 <achow101> sipa is stating a fact, not making a decision
6162020-08-20T17:20:45 <satoshin> This is from bitcoin version 0.1.0
6172020-08-20T17:20:58 <sipa> satoshin: we have discussed alternatives for github many times among contributors and maintainers
6182020-08-20T17:20:59 * luke-jr goes to figure out why #19614 seems to be completely broken and merged
6192020-08-20T17:21:01 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19614 | util: use HAVE_FDATASYNC to determine fdatasync() use by fanquake · Pull Request #19614 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
6202020-08-20T17:21:21 <sipa> satoshin: copyright has nothing to do with it, you are free to create your own branch that you maintain anywhere
6212020-08-20T17:21:45 <sipa> elichai2: that's a good question...
6222020-08-20T17:21:54 <satoshin> That is correct but feels very restricted to contribute to the core
6232020-08-20T17:22:22 <luke-jr> satoshin: I am happy to open pull requests for any contributors who don't want to sign up for GitHub
6242020-08-20T17:22:33 <phantomcircuit> satoshin, please don't copy paste things like that
6252020-08-20T17:23:19 <satoshin> okay
6262020-08-20T17:23:43 <sipa> elichai2: i could imagine that there is a use for accepting string literals of compile-time known length
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6282020-08-20T17:23:55 <sipa> and interaction with legacy code, i guess
6292020-08-20T17:25:49 <sipa> satoshin: as luke said, if somehow github isn't an option for whatever reason for someone who wants to contribute, you're always welcome to use email or other mechanisms to send a patch to other contributors, or maintainers
6302020-08-20T17:26:18 <satoshin> I also uploaded the Bitcoin white paper dating from October 3 2008 to here: https://archive.org/details/bitcoin-a-peer-to-peer-electronic-cash-system I was astonished that this is not shared on bitcoin.org! What I uploaded to archive is what Satoshi Nakamoto announced on https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html and
6312020-08-20T17:26:19 <satoshin> not what shared on bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
6322020-08-20T17:26:21 <sipa> if that were needed on a regular basis, that would be a good reason to reconsider the use of github to host things
6332020-08-20T17:26:48 <sipa> satoshin: open an issue: https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org
6342020-08-20T17:27:13 <achow101> satoshin: it's right here: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
6352020-08-20T17:27:30 <achow101> literally the same url as in the email
6362020-08-20T17:27:33 <satoshin> that is not the original white paper archow101
6372020-08-20T17:27:51 <sipa> (bitcoin.org is owned and operated indepedently from the bitcoin core project)
6382020-08-20T17:27:52 <harding> achow101: I think he means that the papers differ. Nakamoto edited the version served from Bitcoin.org at some point.
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6402020-08-20T17:28:28 <elichai2> sipa: yeah compile time length string literals is nice
6412020-08-20T17:28:33 <satoshin> Exactly. The white paper which is quoted in https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html is here: https://archive.org/details/bitcoin-a-peer-to-peer-electronic-cash-system
6422020-08-20T17:28:51 <sipa> satoshin: getting very off topic
6432020-08-20T17:29:13 <satoshin> Fine, I go open that issue on https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org
6442020-08-20T17:30:02 <satoshin> They don't have IRC channel?
6452020-08-20T17:30:18 <theStack> just out of curiosity, what is the difference in the whitepaper versions? e-mail seems different
6462020-08-20T17:30:21 <sipa> i don't know
6472020-08-20T17:31:50 <satoshin> theStack there are some differences if you read it, even page number differs not to mention the creation date which is October 3 2008 weeks before he announced it
6482020-08-20T17:34:05 <satoshin> Actually at one point https://archive.org/details/bitcoin-a-peer-to-peer-electronic-cash-system was uploaded to Bitcoin.org according to his announcement. I actaully do have Bitcoin v 0.1.0 also which is compressed by Satoshi for release on 7 January 2009, 4 days after the genesis block.
6492020-08-20T17:34:56 <harding> For Bitcoin nostalgia, #bitcoin is a better room.
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6522020-08-20T17:41:41 <satoshin> Just to be clear actually Satoshi made a mistake in January of 2009 and I was able to track him down. I know who is him. He is over 50 now, lives in the UK and has children. He also loves Sushi. Beleive me I do know who is Satoshi Nakamoto and I can tell you that much that the Bitcoin white paper was not his first white paper. I did tested all his
6532020-08-20T17:41:41 <satoshin> publications with JGAAP (Java Graphical Authorship Attribution Program) and it is confirmed that he wrote the Bitcoin white paper. Satoshi made a huge mistake when started promoting Bitcoin with Hal Finney and this allowed me Zoltan Konder to track him down. I will announce his identity on https://bitcoin.foundation in the coming days!
6542020-08-20T17:44:21 <satoshin> If you want to know before who is Satoshi Nakamoto or you think is the best to not to share his identity I would like to read your arguments by email: contact@bitcoin.foundation (Satoshi Nakamoto is one person and he still lives until this day in the UK) I swear to God. Again the real reason why he used a Japanese name is because he loves Sushi! :)
6552020-08-20T17:44:22 <satoshin> Which is kind of funny.
6562020-08-20T17:44:46 <sipa> please leave, now
6572020-08-20T17:45:50 <satoshin> LOL you afraid that Satoshi Nakamot returns sipa and your fame ends? Well that exactly going to happen my friend. I do know who is him and you my friend will go to the trash.. you become useless right after the entire world will know his name
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6602020-08-20T17:48:40 <luke-jr> so fyi, fdatasync is broken in master until #14501 is merged
6612020-08-20T17:48:41 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14501 | Fix possible data race when committing block files by luke-jr · Pull Request #14501 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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6672020-08-20T17:53:16 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #15421: torcontrol: Launch a private Tor instance when not already running (master...tor_subprocess) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15421
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6782020-08-20T18:15:34 <jeremyrubin> Anyone have any opinions on standardizing (I know, I know... build first then standardize) some different ways to refer to TXID?
6792020-08-20T18:16:06 <jeremyrubin> It might be kinda nice for human I/O to have something that is encoded in fewer chars with error correcting
6802020-08-20T18:16:20 <jeremyrubin> and can refer to either a TXID or an outpoint in the same length
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6832020-08-20T18:17:42 <jeremyrubin> you could imagine using a bech format to encode these.
6842020-08-20T18:18:15 <jeremyrubin> Supporting software would have to keep a larger index around for full support
6852020-08-20T18:20:28 <sipa> what do you mean by fewer chars?
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6872020-08-20T18:22:49 <jeremyrubin> E.g., a TXID hex encoded is 64 characters
6882020-08-20T18:23:19 <jeremyrubin> a COutpoint hex encoded is 72 characters
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6902020-08-20T18:30:14 <jeremyrubin> using a bech32 encoding would be shorter than hex and you'd get error correction
6912020-08-20T18:30:46 <sipa> it'd be 60 characters with bech32 at least
6922020-08-20T18:31:00 <sipa> and it's not really designed for error correction
6932020-08-20T18:31:09 <jeremyrubin> err detection
6942020-08-20T18:31:32 <sipa> i feel it's one of those things that's just a decade too late to change
6952020-08-20T18:31:53 <sipa> it would have made sense, but adding a new format now is just going to confuse everyone
6962020-08-20T18:33:51 <luke-jr> woohoo #17356 is now hack-free
6972020-08-20T18:33:53 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17356 | RPC: Internal named params by luke-jr · Pull Request #17356 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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6992020-08-20T18:37:07 <jeremyrubin> sipa: do we even have any standard format for TXIDs/COutpoints?
7002020-08-20T18:37:21 <sipa> for txids, definitely
7012020-08-20T18:37:44 <sipa> outpoints less so i think; some places use txid-idx, some places used txid:idx
7022020-08-20T18:38:48 <jeremyrubin> And are idxs hex encoded or integer?
7032020-08-20T18:39:04 <sipa> decimal, iirc
7042020-08-20T18:39:13 <jeremyrubin> lol
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7072020-08-20T18:40:12 <jeremyrubin> so might not be too late to do a std format for outpoints if it's a split ecosystem (motivation -- I was looking for how to properly handle user input and didn't have anything to go on)
7082020-08-20T18:40:16 <wumpus> is there a way we can make "good first issue" only available for frequent contributors?
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7102020-08-20T18:40:34 <wumpus> people are using it for everything it's kind of getting out of hand https://twitter.com/GoodFirstIssues
7112020-08-20T18:40:53 <jeremyrubin> available? visisble? taggable?
7122020-08-20T18:41:14 <wumpus> yes
7132020-08-20T18:41:24 <jeremyrubin> not sure what you're asking
7142020-08-20T18:41:30 <jeremyrubin> Only frequent comitters can solve them?
7152020-08-20T18:41:34 <wumpus> to be able to make issues like that
7162020-08-20T18:41:57 <sipa> wumpus: or make the bot only report them if they come from frequent contributors?
7172020-08-20T18:42:12 <wumpus> yes, that would be another possibility
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7192020-08-20T18:42:21 <jeremyrubin> sounds like a good first issue to fix the bot
7202020-08-20T18:42:41 <wumpus> but it would be better to just hide the option I think, non-contributors don't know what it's for
7212020-08-20T18:43:53 <sipa> where are the available labels even configured?
7222020-08-20T18:44:18 <sipa> ah https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/labels
7232020-08-20T18:44:19 <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE/good_first_issue.md
7242020-08-20T18:45:09 <wumpus> but I guess there's no way to set permissions
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7262020-08-20T18:45:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #19770: RPC: getpeerinfo: Deprecate "whitelisted" field (replaced by "permissions") (master...deprecate_whitelisted) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19770
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7282020-08-20T18:45:33 <sipa> can we perhaps remove the "good first issue" label from that template?
7292020-08-20T18:45:44 <sipa> and have it be assigned by maintainers instead of it's not bogus
7302020-08-20T18:45:48 <sipa> ... more manual work though :s
7312020-08-20T18:46:05 <wumpus> hmm maybe that might be the best compromise
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7332020-08-20T18:50:23 <sipa> what are permissions on labels, actually?
7342020-08-20T18:50:32 <sipa> can someone who opens an issue set them arbitrarily?
7352020-08-20T18:52:21 <luke-jr> I don't think I can change labels :/
7362020-08-20T18:52:24 <luke-jr> quite annoying tbh
7372020-08-20T18:52:42 <luke-jr> at least I don't see any way to do it
7382020-08-20T18:52:46 <sipa> oh, ok, so the issue is just that the template comes with a preset label
7392020-08-20T18:53:46 <luke-jr> is there a reason to have a template for good first issue?
7402020-08-20T18:54:00 <luke-jr> doesn't seem like soemthing an issue opener would typically be qualified to evaluate
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7432020-08-20T18:57:33 <wumpus> it's just for convenience, to have form items necessary to be filled in for a good first issue
7442020-08-20T18:58:38 <wumpus> and yes for normal label setting (that doesn't come with a template) it's restricted to people with 'triage' permission IIRC
7452020-08-20T18:59:18 <luke-jr> oh, it's separate from commit?
7462020-08-20T18:59:42 <luke-jr> any reason not to just give access to everyone usual then?
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7482020-08-20T19:00:29 <wumpus> yes there is a permission between 'read' and 'write' which is enough to change labels but not enough to commit to the repository (unfortunately, "write" is still required to put issues in projects)
7492020-08-20T19:00:47 <wumpus> #startmeeting
7502020-08-20T19:00:47 <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 20 19:00:47 2020 UTC. The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
7512020-08-20T19:00:47 <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
7522020-08-20T19:00:50 <jnewbery> hi
7532020-08-20T19:00:51 <jonasschnelli> hi
7542020-08-20T19:00:51 <kanzure> hi
7552020-08-20T19:00:52 <sipa> hi
7562020-08-20T19:00:52 <ariard> hi
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7582020-08-20T19:00:53 <troygiorshev> hi
7592020-08-20T19:00:53 <hebasto> hi
7602020-08-20T19:00:54 <sipsorcery> hi
7612020-08-20T19:00:56 <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball kvaciral ariard digi_james
7622020-08-20T19:00:58 <wumpus> amiti fjahr jeremyrubin lightlike emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55 elichai2
7632020-08-20T19:01:02 <achow101> hi
7642020-08-20T19:01:06 <luke-jr> wow, those 'hi's seem coordinated
7652020-08-20T19:01:07 <instagibbs> hi
7662020-08-20T19:01:14 <fjahr> hi
7672020-08-20T19:01:18 <luke-jr> did someone make a cronjob to 'hi'?
7682020-08-20T19:01:20 <sipa> we were all waiting wumpus to ring the bell
7692020-08-20T19:01:25 <luke-jr> heh
7702020-08-20T19:01:31 <amiti> hi
7712020-08-20T19:01:32 <wumpus> there have been no proposed topics this week, any last minute ones?
7722020-08-20T19:01:34 <wumpus> hehe
7732020-08-20T19:01:38 <jamesob> hi
7742020-08-20T19:01:50 <luke-jr> wumpus: maybe giving everyone triage is worth a discussion? shrug
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7762020-08-20T19:02:06 <wumpus> nah
7772020-08-20T19:03:02 <elichai2> hi
7782020-08-20T19:03:08 <ajonas> hi
7792020-08-20T19:03:41 <wumpus> I think it will only be confusing if everyone adds "needs backport" labels and such, I don't think we have any problkem with labeling, usually fanquake is fast enough that by the time I click the link here an issue is already labeled
7802020-08-20T19:03:59 <wumpus> xD
7812020-08-20T19:04:25 <sipa> i have the same impression, and i'm in a completely different timezone...
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7832020-08-20T19:05:03 <wumpus> #topic High priority for review
7842020-08-20T19:05:06 <jeremyrubin> hi
7852020-08-20T19:05:26 <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 there's 10 blockers, a bugfix and 3 chasing concept ACK
7862020-08-20T19:05:42 <wumpus> is there anything you want to add or remove or replace?
7872020-08-20T19:05:44 <hebasto> please replace #18710 with #19710 as the former is based on the latter now
7882020-08-20T19:05:47 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18710 | Add local thread pool to CCheckQueue by hebasto · Pull Request #18710 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
7892020-08-20T19:05:48 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19710 | bench: Prevent thread oversubscription and decreases the variance of result values by hebasto · Pull Request #19710 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
7902020-08-20T19:06:41 <achow101> Since #19077 is waiting on #19619, replace it with that?
7912020-08-20T19:06:47 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19619 | Remove wallet.dat path handling from wallet.cpp, rpcwallet.cpp by ryanofsky · Pull Request #19619 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
7922020-08-20T19:06:49 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19077 | wallet: Add sqlite as an alternative wallet database and use it for new descriptor wallets by achow101 · Pull Request #19077 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
7932020-08-20T19:06:55 <wumpus> hebasto: done
7942020-08-20T19:07:00 <hebasto> thanks
7952020-08-20T19:07:42 <luke-jr> #14501 might be a candidate
7962020-08-20T19:07:44 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14501 | Fix possible data race when committing block files by luke-jr · Pull Request #14501 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
7972020-08-20T19:07:45 <jnewbery> wumpus: I believe people with the inbetween permission can move PRs and issues in and out of projects
7982020-08-20T19:07:49 <wumpus> achow101: done
7992020-08-20T19:07:56 <luke-jr> especially since we have a regression in master that is now fixes
8002020-08-20T19:08:19 <wumpus> jnewbery: not with triage last time we checked! might have changed ofc
8012020-08-20T19:09:25 <wumpus> luke-jr: ok added
8022020-08-20T19:10:37 <wumpus> any other topics?
8032020-08-20T19:11:32 <wumpus> #endmeeting
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8082020-08-20T19:14:28 <michaelfolkson> What is the thinking around any other topics? Is it literally throw anything out there and people can leave if they want or should topics be of interest to most attendees so that we value everyone's time?
8092020-08-20T19:14:51 <luke-jr> depends on how many topics we have I think
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8112020-08-20T19:15:17 <michaelfolkson> Ok that's fair
8122020-08-20T19:16:37 <achow101> IMO an "any other topics" that's at the start of a meeting is an invitation to talk about almost anything
8132020-08-20T19:17:00 <achow101> at the end of the meeting, it's more of "something important that we should discuss"
8142020-08-20T19:18:04 <michaelfolkson> To throw some things out there then we were discussing switching from Qt widget to Qt QML on the GUI. This would bloat the binary so interested in whether this is most likely an overall Concept NACK (that was our guess)
8152020-08-20T19:18:14 <wumpus> as long as it has to doe with bitcoin core development, preferably something you're working on, it's okay
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8172020-08-20T19:19:54 <wumpus> I don't have any principled issues about it, if you can demonstrate a better UI using QML, I think it's okay
8182020-08-20T19:20:10 <wumpus> please don't do it if you just want an animated bitcoin logo or something
8192020-08-20T19:20:48 <wumpus> like the increase of binary size of dependencies needs to be worth the improvement in UX
8202020-08-20T19:21:05 <michaelfolkson> Yeah understood. May not pursue it but it is useful sometimes to put feelers out and see whether something is a clear Concept NACK or not
8212020-08-20T19:21:15 <achow101> michaelfolkson: is there a relevant issue that has some existing discussion?
8222020-08-20T19:21:16 <wumpus> and not just 'fancyness'
8232020-08-20T19:21:29 <achow101> what are the benefits of QML?
8242020-08-20T19:21:43 <michaelfolkson> The GUI discussion is just getting started so no not yet achow101
8252020-08-20T19:21:48 <wumpus> see #16883 I think
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8272020-08-20T19:21:52 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16883 | WIP: Qt: add QML based mobile GUI by icota · Pull Request #16883 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
8282020-08-20T19:22:01 <wumpus> it's better suited for mobile atleast
8292020-08-20T19:22:37 <michaelfolkson> On the call with some potential new contributors (designers) just trying to work out exactly what the constraints were likely to be
8302020-08-20T19:23:22 <michaelfolkson> I won't name people at this stage but one designer had a lot of experience with QML
8312020-08-20T19:23:23 <wumpus> qt widgets are very oldschool desktop, it's almost impossible to use them on android conveniently for example
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8332020-08-20T19:23:42 <achow101> ah, so it makes it look like we're an electron app :p
8342020-08-20T19:24:02 <wumpus> it's definitely much more efficient than electron
8352020-08-20T19:24:09 <luke-jr> wumpus: is there an actual reason for that, or just Qt not implementing mobile for widgets, preferring to rewrite GUI logic for QML? <.<
8362020-08-20T19:24:20 <luke-jr> does QML require a JS engine?
8372020-08-20T19:24:37 <michaelfolkson> Yeah as I understand
8382020-08-20T19:24:39 <wumpus> QML is used in a lot of embedded systems like kiosks and in-flight entertainment systems etc
8392020-08-20T19:24:45 <wumpus> yes, I think so
8402020-08-20T19:24:59 <luke-jr> ugh
8412020-08-20T19:25:55 <sipa> is it really a JS engine?
8422020-08-20T19:26:02 <sipa> or is it compiled to C++?
8432020-08-20T19:26:12 <wumpus> it's really a scripting engine
8442020-08-20T19:26:26 <wumpus> which also means you can iterate the GUI without recompiling, which can be great
8452020-08-20T19:26:39 <sipa> The JavaScript environment provided by QML is stricter than that in a web browser. For example, in QML you cannot add to, or modify, members of the JavaScript global object. In regular JavaScript, it is possible to do this accidentally by using a variable without declaring it. In QML this will throw an exception, so all local variables must be explicitly declared. See JavaScript Environment
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8472020-08-20T19:26:45 <sipa> Restrictions for a complete description of the...
8482020-08-20T19:26:47 <sipa> restrictions on JavaScript code executed from QML.
8492020-08-20T19:27:04 <wumpus> it's also 'local only'
8502020-08-20T19:27:31 <wumpus> you can only open images from the local resourcees IIRC not accidentaly from the network/internet
8512020-08-20T19:27:33 <luke-jr> seems like a good way to lag the UI :x
8522020-08-20T19:27:42 <wumpus> no, it's faster
8532020-08-20T19:27:50 <wumpus> uses opengl ES2 for rendering
8542020-08-20T19:27:58 <jonasschnelli> How about the memory footprint?
8552020-08-20T19:27:58 <luke-jr> how can JS be faster than C++?
8562020-08-20T19:28:10 <luke-jr> wumpus: Qt Widgets uses OpenGL too. But that's not a good thing :P
8572020-08-20T19:28:18 <luke-jr> there's no reason 2D should use OpenGL..
8582020-08-20T19:28:18 <jonasschnelli> And how indifferent will it look on win/Linux/Mac?
8592020-08-20T19:28:31 <wumpus> well it can do all kinds of fancy animations, alsao on low end hardware
8602020-08-20T19:28:43 <wumpus> maybe the per-frame processing happens in C++ still
8612020-08-20T19:28:44 <luke-jr> low end hardware without OpenGL?
8622020-08-20T19:28:51 <wumpus> the scipting just defines the animation
8632020-08-20T19:29:17 <wumpus> even the most low-end embedded crap has OpenGL ES 2 these days
8642020-08-20T19:29:23 <jonasschnelli> Sounds interesting... I guess it would look different then the typical system UI?
8652020-08-20T19:30:08 <luke-jr> wumpus: with non-free drivers maybe
8662020-08-20T19:30:22 <wumpus> anyhow, I didn't actually mean to defend QML, but if we reject it we should do it for proper reasons not just 'because it's a different way of doing things'
8672020-08-20T19:30:38 <sipa> ^
8682020-08-20T19:30:41 <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: kinda would defeat the purpose of Qt if so
8692020-08-20T19:31:20 <michaelfolkson> "IMHO it's still too early to consider QML since that there are some issues regarding long operations blocking the Qt event loop." This was promag in Sep 2019
8702020-08-20T19:31:27 <michaelfolkson> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16883#issuecomment-532705580
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8742020-08-20T19:45:50 <wumpus> I agree that'[s a long-running issue, and this is just as much a problem for qt widgets though :)
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8762020-08-20T19:46:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #19771: net: Replace enum CConnMan::NumConnections with enum class ConnectionDirection (master...enum_conndir) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19771
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8832020-08-20T20:09:07 <sipa> did anyone stop receiving github mail notifications ~an hour ago?
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9022020-08-20T22:18:22 <fanquake> sipa: I donât think so. Seem to have plenty from drahtbot
9032020-08-20T22:22:21 <sipa> apparently my mail app changed semantics, and now right swiping is mark spam by default... so i had some github thread marked as spam, and subsequently all other github mails were marked as spam too
9042020-08-20T22:22:25 <sipa> resolved now!
9052020-08-20T22:25:44 <fanquake> #innovative UI
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9262020-08-20T23:42:13 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #19117: RPC: Add getrpcwhitelist method (master...rpc_getrpcwhitelist) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19117
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