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762020-08-22T05:43:17 <tryphe> do you guys think this would be useful as a feature? create a wallet backup. if the backup does not match the current copy, warn the user. this way we could warn people incase they have leftover keys in the current wallet file, or something strange like that. although i'm not sure the ordering will always be deterministic (should it be?)
772020-08-22T05:47:04 <luke-jr> that doesn't make sense to me
782020-08-22T05:47:15 <luke-jr> we already have wallet backups. what are you warning about?
792020-08-22T05:47:35 <tryphe> luke-jr, in light of the possibility of leftover unencrypted keys in bdb
802020-08-22T05:48:04 <luke-jr> I don't get it
812020-08-22T05:48:15 <luke-jr> we already flag those and don't use them
822020-08-22T05:48:24 <tryphe> ahh
832020-08-22T05:48:33 <tryphe> but are they deleted from the file?
842020-08-22T05:48:40 <luke-jr> no, nor should they be
852020-08-22T05:48:53 <luke-jr> for HD wallets, there's a completely new root seed generated when you encrypt
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872020-08-22T05:53:30 <tryphe> luke-jr, i was thinking of more like, unencrypted legacy wallet generates some keys, then encrypts, then unencrypted keys get accidentally leftover for years? or is that not possible?
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962020-08-22T06:22:36 <sipa> tryphe: the pre-encryption keys remain in the wallet, but are removed from the keypool
972020-08-22T06:22:50 <sipa> so they won't be given out as new addresses
982020-08-22T06:23:21 <sipa> yet if for whatever reason those addresses receive a payment, it will be treated as balance
992020-08-22T06:31:59 <tryphe> ah okay
1002020-08-22T06:33:01 <aj> sipa: was there clever code at some point to make nodes preferential establish outbound connections to NODE_WITNESS nodes, rather than exclusively? cf https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8149/commits/b8a97498df1e83f8dcc49bc3fa4344f9e9799242#r79103769
1012020-08-22T06:35:37 <sipa> i vaguely remember that
1022020-08-22T06:43:19 <aj> commit 44407100ff9b478d6131a1c38ee993b50b1830df claims it's replacing some "sometimes-connect-to-!WITNESS-nodes logic" but i don't see any such logic...
1032020-08-22T06:43:43 <aj> oh, except maybe i do: if (nTries >= 40 && nOutbound < maxOut/2) nRequires = REQUIRED_SERVICES
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1052020-08-22T06:46:01 <aj> sipa: \o/ thanks for your help :)
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1072020-08-22T06:47:58 <tryphe> sipa, if that's the case, would it be preferable to warn users about having a balance in unencrypted keys? assuming the user thought "encrypt" == "encrypt everything including previous keys"
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1152020-08-22T07:09:49 <achow101> tryphe: encrypting encrypts the previous keys too
1162020-08-22T07:11:06 <tryphe> got it
1172020-08-22T07:12:07 <sipa> yeah, everything is encrypted
1182020-08-22T07:12:25 <sipa> but because a pre-encrypted version of the old keys may remain in a backup or so, the keypool is refreshed
1192020-08-22T07:13:28 <tryphe> i was also thinking about how notoriously bad databases are in general at leaving stuff behind in their file structures, but then it's just speculation at that point, i never looked manually at bdb's files
1202020-08-22T07:14:04 <sipa> it definitely can leave pre-encrypted stuff behind
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1222020-08-22T07:16:34 <tryphe> yeah, i don't have any poc or anything. i was just thinking how easy codewise it would be to create a new backup, compare hashes, and give a warning if they are different. but not sure what the real use would be other than paranoia
1232020-08-22T07:17:32 <tryphe> not sure what it would even say anyways. "uh oh, it's different!"
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1252020-08-22T07:19:01 <tryphe> but maybe if it's there as an option, people would have the idea to run it to find out, rather than not having the idea at all
1262020-08-22T07:20:47 <tryphe> of course it would only apply to a small number of wallets, so i'm not sure it would be worth it
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1282020-08-22T07:31:29 <tryphe> if i were using standable legacy keys, it makes sense to me to store the backup which most likely has the least extra junk lying around.
1292020-08-22T07:31:37 <tryphe> standable/standalone* whoops
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1362020-08-22T07:39:37 <tryphe> in that case, my idea isn't useful at all. instead somehow people could prefer to use the builtin backup instead of copying wallet.dat manual (which hopefully they do anyways) :)
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1392020-08-22T07:48:16 <tryphe> on that note, what threat model does bitcoin core assume, anyhow? a) assume the user won't be compromised, and in that case, the original wallet.dat remains, which could be desirable in some aspects. b) assume that the user might be compromised, therefore we could try to warn the user in case of possible db lefovers.
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1522020-08-22T08:41:58 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #19779: Remove gArgs global from init (master...2008-gArgs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19779
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1922020-08-22T12:29:59 <instagibbs> getting "Bitcoin-QT is not responding" message during reindexing on master. Anyone reproduce?
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1952020-08-22T12:35:37 <hebasto> instagibbs: what OS?
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2442020-08-22T16:24:07 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #19780: build, qt: Add SVG support, and replace bitcoin PNG image with SVG one (master...200822-svg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19780
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2542020-08-22T17:26:23 <instagibbs> hebasto, sorry was out for the morning, seems to have resolved itself. Ubuntu
2552020-08-22T17:26:53 <hebasto> ok
2562020-08-22T17:27:50 <instagibbs> might be worth checking though, seems to intermittently happen for me
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2662020-08-22T18:21:04 * luke-jr wonders how GitLab is these days https://twitter.com/andir0815/status/1297102665504165888?s=20
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2712020-08-22T18:52:14 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d254e6e7951f...197450f80868
2722020-08-22T18:52:14 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4148f55 Nadav Ivgi: docs: Correct description for getblockstats's txs field
2732020-08-22T18:52:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 197450f MarcoFalke: Merge #19777: docs: Correct description for getblockstats's txs field
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2762020-08-22T18:52:33 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #19777: docs: Correct description for getblockstats's txs field (master...202008-getblockstats-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19777
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