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82020-10-31T00:23:49 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mjdietzx opened pull request #20276: test: run mempool_expiry.py even with wallet disabled (master...mempool-expiry-miniwallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20276
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162020-10-31T01:18:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ariard opened pull request #20277: p2p: Do not resolve orphans during IBD and extend p2p_ibd_txrelay.py coverage (master...2020-10-ibd-txrelay) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20277
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482020-10-31T03:58:15 <wumpus> luke-jr: still the same as on github: add a platform specific override that changes the expectation for .plt to 'RW ' on power*
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502020-10-31T03:59:11 <wumpus> it's expected so it's fine to change the script but not for all architectures
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572020-10-31T04:05:38 <luke-jr> wumpus: ok
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612020-10-31T04:09:59 <wumpus> I can take a look at fixing the script but not in the coming days
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642020-10-31T04:13:45 <wumpus> maybe something like: - call `readelf -h <executable>`, parse out the 'Machine:' part - match that on what is returned for power64 (I don't know) -if so change the .plt* sections in the expected array to 'RW ' from 'R E'
652020-10-31T04:18:06 <wumpus> "Machine: PowerPC64"
662020-10-31T04:19:51 <luke-jr> right
672020-10-31T04:19:59 <luke-jr> probably no rush since it slipped 0.21 anyway
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692020-10-31T04:24:00 <wumpus> well getting this in early for the 0.22 cycle would be good, at least it's finaly in then and not something that needs to be considered last minute every time :)
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722020-10-31T04:27:51 <luke-jr> looks like fanquake insists on an answer to a question I don't have answers to, so no clue how to even proceed anyway
732020-10-31T04:28:07 <fanquake> luke-jr: which question
742020-10-31T04:28:41 <luke-jr> fanquake: why 970
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762020-10-31T04:29:32 <luke-jr> the usual way to compare two archs in GCC doesn't work for PPC for some reason, so I have no idea
772020-10-31T04:30:09 <fanquake> right here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14066/files#r515443745
782020-10-31T04:30:35 <luke-jr> right, that question
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812020-10-31T04:31:12 <fanquake> Carls questions seemed reasonable, and it was unclear given you hadn't responded. I'm not sure no-response is the way forward. If you don't know why you're making that change, you could still respond to him.
822020-10-31T04:31:43 <luke-jr> it's not a change.. it's the first time we support ppc64 at all O.o
832020-10-31T04:32:02 <fanquake> Right. Well in any case, leaving him answer-less is just confusing. It's unclear if you missed it, forgot to respond, ignored it etc.
842020-10-31T04:35:35 <luke-jr> ok, so ⦠I basically said the same thing (I don't know)
852020-10-31T04:35:50 <fanquake> Cool, thanks
862020-10-31T04:36:45 <wumpus> from what I've heard he's not the only one with tha question, more prople have concerns about that
872020-10-31T04:37:49 <luke-jr> I mean, the 970 was released in 2002..
882020-10-31T04:38:22 <wumpus> (I don't know the details, I'm not sure if the problem is whether the setting is too new or too old)
892020-10-31T04:39:15 <wumpus> targeting Talos seems most important
902020-10-31T04:39:29 <luke-jr> I think I originally had -mcpu=power9 for both
912020-10-31T04:39:35 <luke-jr> but someone complained that was too new
922020-10-31T04:41:12 <luke-jr> it's not like we can't change it later
932020-10-31T04:41:12 <wumpus> what do common linux distros target?
942020-10-31T04:41:32 <luke-jr> not sure; I think a few have recently dropped BE entirely
952020-10-31T04:44:33 <luke-jr> dunno why we can't just do 970 and if someone complains try changing it to whatever they need it to be :x
962020-10-31T04:45:00 <luke-jr> don't let perfect be enemy of good or whatever :P
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982020-10-31T04:47:55 <wumpus> I haven't really followed it in detail (I will as soon as someone sends me a POWER9 machine :-) ), but it depends on what dongcarl's concerns really are
992020-10-31T04:49:00 <wumpus> in any case fanquake's remark is valid: you really need to respond to review comments even if you disagree with them, otherwise it's at the least unclear if you missed them
1002020-10-31T04:50:04 <wumpus> I don't have any particular opinion on what chips to support here, I just like build system changes to be uncontroversial :)
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1032020-10-31T04:51:37 <wumpus> ofc, it's clear there's not that much gain to supporting 2002 chips, practally, even high end 2008 chips have a hard time running a validating bitcoin node
1042020-10-31T04:53:33 <wumpus> I do also agree it's a decision that can be easily changed later
1052020-10-31T04:55:11 <wumpus> would have to do some more research: what is the magnitude of the performance differences on a Talos between compiling for the different targets? is there more than a performance difference between compiling for power9 or 970? say, security extensions
1062020-10-31T04:55:21 <sipa> luke-jr: do you have thr means to say benchmark a reindex-chainstate on a build with -mcpu=970 vs -mcpu=power9?
1072020-10-31T04:55:31 <sipa> !jinx
1082020-10-31T04:55:31 <gribble> Error: "jinx" is not a valid command.
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1742020-10-31T09:56:34 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #20274: util: Drop redundant NDEBUG check (master...201030-ndebug) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20274
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2322020-10-31T13:49:14 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild closed pull request #20272: Add missing thread safety annotations (master...add_missing_tsa) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20272
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2412020-10-31T14:53:25 <luke-jr> sipa: no, I don't run BE
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2432020-10-31T14:54:37 <luke-jr> [04:49:40] <narispo> luke-jr: Fedora uses conservative power8
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2572020-10-31T15:51:22 <sipa> luke-jr: how about the LE variant?
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2732020-10-31T16:45:06 <luke-jr> sipa: -mcpu=970 does not work on LE at all
2742020-10-31T16:45:43 <luke-jr> note while technically PPC64 has always been bi-endian, the 970 CPU was firmware-tied to BE
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2762020-10-31T16:51:27 <sipa> luke-jr: i see
2772020-10-31T16:51:39 <sipa> and the LE ones are built as power8
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2822020-10-31T16:58:31 <sipa> luke-jr: i guess the most popular 970 hardware would be imac g5's?
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2882020-10-31T17:07:12 <yanmaani> why does bitcoin only support certain arches?
2892020-10-31T17:07:27 <yanmaani> if you'd compile it for all arches and run the tests, wouldn't that catch undesirable unportable code?
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2972020-10-31T17:32:56 <luke-jr> sipa: yes
2982020-10-31T17:33:21 <luke-jr> yanmaani: what?
2992020-10-31T17:34:23 <sipa> luke-jr: that sounds rather ancient :)
3002020-10-31T17:34:33 <luke-jr> sipa: indeed
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3022020-10-31T17:36:29 <yanmaani> luke-jr: If Bitcoin Core is written in conforming C++, it should work on all arches, right?
3032020-10-31T17:36:42 <yanmaani> so isn't it good for code quality to run the tests on all arches, even the totally obscure ones?
3042020-10-31T17:36:53 <luke-jr> yanmaani: if possible
3052020-10-31T17:37:23 <yanmaani> Why would it be impossible?
3062020-10-31T17:37:33 <luke-jr> nobody willing to do it?
3072020-10-31T17:38:04 <yanmaani> if you're using qemu anyway, can't you just add all the arches to travis?
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3092020-10-31T17:40:41 <luke-jr> shrug
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