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72020-11-06T00:38:28 <fanquake> Received a response from GitHub in regards to our "load more" issues: https://0bin.net/paste/ox1MH8xR#Kn-kr5erlHeeOnBXYiloYLuikSrO03S+46FEGxLO+Ki.
82020-11-06T00:39:12 <fanquake> The email they are responding to I sent on the 12 October. Still haven't received any response to issues opened in the maintainer group in regards to our "load more" or "show/hide" issues.
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132020-11-06T00:57:45 <fanquake> Actually, we have got a response in regards to the show/hide issue. It's that they cannot reproduce. I assume that's because they waited 5 days to look, and it's since been merged / something has changed.
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492020-11-06T03:47:50 <wumpus> fanquake: thanks for the update
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542020-11-06T04:35:51 <luke-jr> #19502 rebased
552020-11-06T04:35:53 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19502 | Bugfix: Wallet: Soft-fail exceptions within ListWalletDir file checks by luke-jr · Pull Request #19502 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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622020-11-06T05:32:08 <wumpus> luke-jr: thanks
632020-11-06T05:33:07 <wumpus> fanquake: ideally we could disable hiding of items completely for the entire repository, but i guess that would bring back the unicorns
642020-11-06T05:34:16 <wumpus> surprising how fast computers and internet connections are nowadays but showing a moderate number of items of text is still problematic
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672020-11-06T06:00:36 <fanquake> wumpus: Iâll ask, but yea probably. My understanding is that the hiding was introduced to fix the fact that they canât load enough page content at once.
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742020-11-06T06:48:20 <wumpus> yes, exactly
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772020-11-06T07:04:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f5cdc290d5a4...65460c207c0b
782020-11-06T07:04:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf5fa7 MarcoFalke: wallet: Set DatabaseStatus::SUCCESS in MakeSQLiteDatabase
792020-11-06T07:04:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 65460c2 MarcoFalke: Merge #20324: wallet: Set DatabaseStatus::SUCCESS in MakeSQLiteDatabase
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822020-11-06T07:05:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20324: wallet: Set DatabaseStatus::SUCCESS in MakeSQLiteDatabase (master...2011-walletSqliteSuccess) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20324
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852020-11-06T07:11:16 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/65460c207c0b...c51c2753a4ff
862020-11-06T07:11:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 568a1d7 Stepan Snigirev: fix ecdsa verify in test framework
872020-11-06T07:11:17 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c51c275 MarcoFalke: Merge #20326: tests: Fix ecdsa_verify in test framework
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902020-11-06T07:11:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20326: tests: Fix ecdsa_verify in test framework (master...fix-test-ecdsa-verification) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20326
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942020-11-06T07:35:32 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c51c2753a4ff...a0c00ff7c045
952020-11-06T07:35:32 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 04a69c2 Jonas Schnelli: macOS deploy: use the new plistlib API
962020-11-06T07:35:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a0c00ff fanquake: Merge #20298: macOS deploy: use the new plistlib API
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992020-11-06T07:35:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #20298: macOS deploy: use the new plistlib API (master...2020/11/macdeployfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20298
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1032020-11-06T07:54:43 <meshcollider> wumpus: it would be nice and fast if there was a plaintext mode without their fancy formatting
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1052020-11-06T08:00:59 <fanquake> meshcollider: Could you chuck out an opinion in regards to #20305 & #20250. Not sure if they are necessarily in conflict?
1062020-11-06T08:01:01 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20305 | wallet: introduce fee_rate_sat_vb param/option by jonatack · Pull Request #20305 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1072020-11-06T08:01:03 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20250 | Bugfix: RPC/Wallet: Make BTC/kB and sat/B fee modes work sanely by luke-jr · Pull Request #20250 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1082020-11-06T08:01:44 <meshcollider> fanquake: will do soon, thanks
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1392020-11-06T09:20:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dgpv opened pull request #20329: docs/descriptors.md: Remove hardened marker in the path after xpub (master...fix-descriptors-md-hardened-after-xpub) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20329
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2612020-11-06T17:08:23 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a0c00ff7c045...4727c1ca2493
2622020-11-06T17:08:24 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 66667ac MarcoFalke: cirrus: Skip tasks on the gui repo main branch
2632020-11-06T17:08:24 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4727c1c MarcoFalke: Merge #20328: cirrus: Skip tasks on the gui repo main branch
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2662020-11-06T17:08:43 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20328: cirrus: Skip tasks on the gui repo main branch (master...2011-cirrusSkip) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20328
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2692020-11-06T17:10:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4727c1ca2493...7e373294a5ae
2702020-11-06T17:10:10 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fac0517 MarcoFalke: travis: Remove s390x build
2712020-11-06T17:10:11 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa2c3c0 MarcoFalke: ci: Set LC_ALL=C to allow running the s390x tests in qemu
2722020-11-06T17:10:12 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7e37329 MarcoFalke: Merge #20315: travis: Remove s390x build
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2752020-11-06T17:10:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20315: travis: Remove s390x build (master...2010-ciS390x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20315
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2982020-11-06T19:00:10 <achow101> wallet meeting?
2992020-11-06T19:00:11 <meshcollider> #startmeeting
3002020-11-06T19:00:18 <meshcollider> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball ariard digi_james amiti fjahr
3012020-11-06T19:00:18 <meshcollider> jeremyrubin emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55 kvaciral ariard digi_james amiti fjahr jeremyrubin lightlike emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55 elichai2
3022020-11-06T19:00:28 <meshcollider> Topics?
3032020-11-06T19:01:23 <meshcollider> I guess we should discuss the PRs left on the milestone
3042020-11-06T19:01:43 <achow101> are we going to talk about wallet ids for the 5th meeting in a row?
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3072020-11-06T19:02:11 <meshcollider> I don't think talking about wallet IDs is going to go anywhere...
3082020-11-06T19:02:20 <jonatack> hi
3092020-11-06T19:02:38 <meshcollider> I'm more interested in #20250 and #20305
3102020-11-06T19:02:40 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20250 | Bugfix: RPC/Wallet: Make BTC/kB and sat/B fee modes work sanely by luke-jr · Pull Request #20250 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3112020-11-06T19:02:41 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20305 | wallet: introduce fee_rate_sat_vb param/option by jonatack · Pull Request #20305 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3122020-11-06T19:03:15 <jonatack> just pushed an update after re-reviewing and re-testing each commit
3132020-11-06T19:03:26 <jonatack> (to 20305)
3142020-11-06T19:04:36 <achow101> I will review those eventually
3152020-11-06T19:05:23 <meshcollider> I guess the key topic is 1) which of the two (fairly similar) directions do we want to take, and 2) which of the side changes in each PR do we also want in 0.21
3162020-11-06T19:06:13 <achow101> are they mutually exclusive?
3172020-11-06T19:06:24 <jonatack> i think the directions are fundamentally different, apart from the feeRate -> fee_rate alias in 20250 that is orthogonal
3182020-11-06T19:06:42 <jonatack> achow101:: if merged before the release, yes
3192020-11-06T19:07:17 <jonatack> achow101:: if merged after, then 20305 doesn't work and would need to be overhauled
3202020-11-06T19:07:45 <jonatack> as it replaces the overloading with the new fixed-unit fee rate param
3212020-11-06T19:07:47 <achow101> hmm ok. i'll try to get to them today
3222020-11-06T19:07:55 <achow101> I haven't looked at them yet, so no opinion
3232020-11-06T19:08:19 <jonatack> and if the overloading is released in 0.21, then we'll have to support it and then deprecate it
3242020-11-06T19:08:44 <achow101> ngl it feels like we should make an rpc api v2 and just overhaul everything
3252020-11-06T19:09:15 <jonatack> i think it's workable to improve the current one
3262020-11-06T19:09:17 <luke-jr> I'm in the middle of rebasing 20250
3272020-11-06T19:09:17 <achow101> but maybe i'm just in the "blow up everything" mindset
3282020-11-06T19:09:34 <jonatack> i sort of detail the steps in the PR description
3292020-11-06T19:09:37 <meshcollider> achow101: I think both are true ;)
3302020-11-06T19:10:24 <jonatack> luke-jr: ping me when you're ready and i'll review. even if 20305 is merged, i think the commit that does feeRate -> fee_rate is good
3312020-11-06T19:10:38 <jonatack> i didn't do that since i saw that you proposed it
3322020-11-06T19:11:02 <meshcollider> I am slightly more in favour of the fixed-unit param, but don't have a big preference
3332020-11-06T19:11:27 <meshcollider> And yes it's definitely good to have fee_rate consistent
3342020-11-06T19:11:36 <jonatack> same, per discussion on in #19543
3352020-11-06T19:11:38 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19543 | Normalize fee units for RPC ("BTC/kB" and "sat/B) · Issue #19543 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3362020-11-06T19:12:33 <luke-jr> I disliked EXPLICIT ever got split into BTC/kB and sat/B
3372020-11-06T19:12:36 <jonatack> 20305 implements the conclusion by wumpus at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20220#discussion_r513789526
3382020-11-06T19:13:24 <jonatack> luke-jr: did you see the twitter poll; people prefer sat/vB over btc/kvB by 10 to 1
3392020-11-06T19:13:53 <meshcollider> Yeah I think sat/vB is definitely the way to go IMO
3402020-11-06T19:13:57 <meshcollider> it doesn't seem like there are many others here to discuss so let's just leave it as an #action to review and weigh in on the two alternatives
3412020-11-06T19:14:08 <luke-jr> jonatack: I didn't
3422020-11-06T19:14:42 <jonatack> https://twitter.com/jonatack/status/1318890833131823104?s=20
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3442020-11-06T19:14:55 <meshcollider> There's a couple of easy wallet PRs left, but the main one on the milestone is #18836
3452020-11-06T19:14:57 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18836 | wallet: upgradewallet fixes and additional tests by achow101 · Pull Request #18836 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3462020-11-06T19:14:59 <meshcollider> So please review that
3472020-11-06T19:15:01 <luke-jr> can we just drop BTC/kB entirely? :x
3482020-11-06T19:15:09 <jonatack> oh, not 10:1, the ratio is much higher
3492020-11-06T19:15:20 <meshcollider> luke-jr: fee_rate_sat_vb does that :p
3502020-11-06T19:15:26 <jonatack> luke-jr: agreed!
3512020-11-06T19:15:54 <achow101> I might go through 18836 on stream on Monday. The hard part is figuring out the BDB format
3522020-11-06T19:16:09 <luke-jr> meshcollider: but with an ugly name
3532020-11-06T19:16:24 <luke-jr> looks like bumpfee is the only thing in 0.20 with "fee_rate"
3542020-11-06T19:16:27 <luke-jr> hrm
3552020-11-06T19:16:54 <jonatack> achow101: is 18836 ready for review? if yes, on it tomorrow
3562020-11-06T19:17:08 <meshcollider> jonatack: yes it's been ready for weeks :p
3572020-11-06T19:17:10 <achow101> jonatack: yes. it has been for a while
3582020-11-06T19:17:20 <jonatack> ok ty
3592020-11-06T19:17:21 <meshcollider> I have been slack personally
3602020-11-06T19:18:14 <jonatack> luke-jr: yep; i'm thinking we add the ugly named one (at least you won't call it by mistake), then deprecate the btc/kB ones, then alias the ugly one to fee_rate
3612020-11-06T19:18:28 <jonatack> over a couple releases
3622020-11-06T19:18:50 <jonatack> maybe with a config option to opt in to the new fee_rate param in sat/vB
3632020-11-06T19:19:27 <luke-jr> jonatack: that still has a risk
3642020-11-06T19:19:44 <luke-jr> the only clean solution I see is to use BTC/kB everywhere
3652020-11-06T19:19:51 <luke-jr> :/
3662020-11-06T19:20:08 <jonatack> it seems users really want sat/vb
3672020-11-06T19:20:21 <luke-jr> well, we've really wanted satoshis for amounts since like 0.3 too
3682020-11-06T19:20:38 <jonatack> and the risk is a too-low feerate, not a too-high one, and if we put it behind an opt-in config option...
3692020-11-06T19:20:59 <jonatack> idk seems manageable
3702020-11-06T19:21:01 <luke-jr> true, and it only affects bumpfee
3712020-11-06T19:21:16 <luke-jr> so too-low is presumably rejected, and if not you can always replace it with the right one
3722020-11-06T19:21:18 <jonatack> and fundraw and
3732020-11-06T19:21:26 <luke-jr> no, fundraw uses feeRate
3742020-11-06T19:21:29 <jonatack> funded psbt
3752020-11-06T19:21:42 <jonatack> anyway, it's a limited risk
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3772020-11-06T19:21:56 <luke-jr> only bumpfee uses fee_rate in 0.20 afaict
3782020-11-06T19:22:18 <luke-jr> I'm going to abandon my rebase and close 20250 then, ok?
3792020-11-06T19:22:39 <luke-jr> IMO fee_rate_sat_vb should just get renamed to fee_rate
3802020-11-06T19:23:26 <jonatack> luke-jr: no deprecation process? config option opt-in?
3812020-11-06T19:23:36 <luke-jr> jonatack: no, not needed considering
3822020-11-06T19:23:54 <luke-jr> maybe support -deprecatedrpc=fee_rate or something, but meh
3832020-11-06T19:24:12 <jonatack> i'm ok with remaning if reviewers are
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3852020-11-06T19:24:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #20250: Bugfix: RPC/Wallet: Make BTC/kB and sat/B fee modes work sanely (master...rpcwallet_explicit_fixups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20250
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3872020-11-06T19:25:00 <meshcollider> we should take a bit from 20250 as previously discussed, like the feeRate -> fee_rate though
3882020-11-06T19:25:15 <jonatack> luke-jr: if 20305 doesn't get in for 0.21 then I think we need 20250, so keep it around
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3902020-11-06T19:25:26 <jonatack> meshcollider: if we don't rename to fee_rate, agreed
3912020-11-06T19:26:30 <meshcollider> I think with the right "too low" errors in place, just using fee_rate is fine, but I am not going to speak on behalf of all reviewers :p
3922020-11-06T19:26:37 <luke-jr> meshcollider: that's part of 20305 with my suggestion
3932020-11-06T19:26:58 <luke-jr> feeRate would continue to be BTC/kB (deprecated) until we remove it entirely
3942020-11-06T19:27:14 <luke-jr> (though I don't really care if we just remove it right now too)
3952020-11-06T19:27:42 <jonatack> ok let me know, i'll be active on updating as time is short
3962020-11-06T19:28:13 <meshcollider> achow101 can weigh in when he reviews
3972020-11-06T19:28:24 <meshcollider> Alright anything else to discuss today?
3982020-11-06T19:28:24 <jonatack> feeRate in walletcreatefundedpsbt and bumpfee iirc
3992020-11-06T19:30:22 <meshcollider> #endmeeting
4002020-11-06T19:30:35 <achow101> lightningbot still dead :(
4012020-11-06T19:30:35 <lightningbot> achow101: Error: "still" is not a valid command.
4022020-11-06T19:31:28 <jonatack> meshcollider: congrats on the john pfeffer support! (just seeing it now) ð
4032020-11-06T19:31:48 *** belcher_ is now known as belcher
4042020-11-06T19:31:51 <luke-jr> aj
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4062020-11-06T19:35:08 <meshcollider> jonatack: yeah it's super nice of him!
4072020-11-06T19:35:25 <meshcollider> achow101: lol the bot doesn't like being called dead
4082020-11-06T19:36:22 <meshcollider> Unlike usual, when I started the meeting today, I got an automatic list of commands send to me by core-meetingbot
4092020-11-06T19:36:29 <meshcollider> Maybe that's a WIP
4102020-11-06T19:36:39 <achow101> ooh
4112020-11-06T19:37:00 <achow101> maybe we can delegate the pinging to the bot too
4122020-11-06T19:40:11 <meshcollider> That would be super handy
4132020-11-06T19:40:14 <jonatack> meshcollider: with you and luke-jr voting for fee_rate_sat_vb -> fee_rate, LMK if I should start updating. Meanwhile, queuing up and building 18836
4142020-11-06T19:40:38 <meshcollider> achow101: what do you think ^
4152020-11-06T19:40:51 <meshcollider> kallewoof might also like to weigh in?
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4282020-11-06T20:59:29 <jonasschnelli> the wallet meeting was logged by my just created meetingbot (core-meetingbot) https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2020/bitcoin-core-dev.2020-11-06-19.00.moin.txt
4292020-11-06T20:59:47 <jonasschnelli> probably lightningbot are also recoding the meetings...
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4312020-11-06T21:01:57 <jonasschnelli> I guess those bots just have no right to post in this channel
4322020-11-06T21:04:04 <jonasschnelli> Indeed. Lightning bot also recorded the last meeting: http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2020/bitcoin-core-dev.2020-11-05-19.00.log.txt (the one from yesterday).
4332020-11-06T21:04:37 <luke-jr> weird
4342020-11-06T21:05:03 <jonasschnelli> I tested the meetingbot (core-meetingbot) in ##bitcoin-core-gui and it works there...
4352020-11-06T21:05:18 <jonasschnelli> so maybe its the channel mode or so or some sort of bot protection.
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4392020-11-06T21:32:29 <achow101> jonasschnelli: but lightning bot responded to pings
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4412020-11-06T21:32:44 <achow101> lightningbot: ping
4422020-11-06T21:32:44 <lightningbot> pong
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