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  42020-11-22T00:19:15  <fanquake> wumpus: I did mention binary size increase in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19525#issue-449279147. Maybe time to merge #18605 heh
  52020-11-22T00:19:18  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18605 | build: Link time garbage collection by fanquake · Pull Request #18605 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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  72020-11-22T00:22:21  <sipa> fanquake: good idea
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 102020-11-22T00:37:03  <achow101> I would expect a non-negligible part of binary size increase from 0.20 to 0.21 would be the inclusion of sqlite
 112020-11-22T00:37:16  <sipa> oh!
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 142020-11-22T00:40:16  <fanquake> wumpus / sipa: can probably block MONIMAKER365
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 162020-11-22T00:41:40  <sipa> fanquake: done
 172020-11-22T00:57:08  <brianddk> Anyone happen to have a copy of bitcoin-0.1.2.rar for some history research I'm working on.  Last sightings of it were in 2009 and 2010 on sourceforge.  2009: http://web.archive.org/web/20091127010808/http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files, 2010:
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 222020-11-22T01:04:52  <sipa> brianddk: due to the march 2013 bdb locks issue?
 232020-11-22T01:04:56  <sipa> you can work around that
 242020-11-22T01:05:16  <sipa> stuff before 0.2.10 is harder, as the network protocol changed
 252020-11-22T01:05:44  <sipa> you'll need a bridge node for those
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 272020-11-22T01:06:02  <brianddk> I suppose, I'm just trying to learn the codebase from a historical perspective.  Maybe not the best, but it seems interesting.
 282020-11-22T01:06:12  <brianddk> at least to me.
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 312020-11-22T01:10:39  <sipa> you can manually configure higher limits
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 472020-11-22T02:26:15  <fanquake> achow101: should have done 42 just to be completely sure
 482020-11-22T02:30:34  <achow101> fanquake: it was 44 or something like that. It was supposed to be 50 but I woke up before they were all done
 492020-11-22T02:49:47  <fanquake> CHECKS: Dict[str, List[Tuple[str, Callable[[Any], bool]]]] = {...
 502020-11-22T02:49:56  <fanquake> probably getting a bit heavy with the type annotations
 512020-11-22T02:51:02  <achow101> you might want to look into type aliases
 522020-11-22T02:52:12  <fanquake> I think I'll just leave these out for now. This is more a case of the type annotation being more confusing than just looking at the code
 532020-11-22T02:52:24  <fanquake> Will take a look at aliases though
 542020-11-22T02:52:50  <sipa> looks super readable compared to C++ types ;)
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 582020-11-22T03:28:13  <gwillen> you can also change more things to Any if you want to make it more concise (at the expense of precision), but I also find it fairly readable :-)
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 632020-11-22T03:43:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #20451: lint: run mypy over contrib/devtools (master...contrib_devtools_mypy) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20451
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 652020-11-22T04:06:04  <luke-jr> sipa: higher limits won't enforce the softforked lower lock limit, though
 662020-11-22T04:06:26  <luke-jr> so for 3 months (March-May), upgrading to 0.8.1 *was* necessary for full node security
 672020-11-22T04:06:35  <luke-jr> well, or a backport I guess
 682020-11-22T04:06:42  <luke-jr> (not sure if we had a backport)
 692020-11-22T04:07:24  <sipa> luke-jr: that's true
 702020-11-22T04:08:02  <sipa> though if you just wanted it to just sync with the full chain, only validating the rules that existed at the time, it's possible
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 722020-11-22T04:22:53  <fanquake> wumpus: re binary size. You are correct that they have grown, some quite significantly: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18605#issuecomment-731696286. I re-run some builds for 18605.
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 882020-11-22T06:31:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/816132e6eb23...e9a1c9fbdea9
 892020-11-22T06:31:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 49473ef fanquake: build: convert "echo" usage into a patch in qt package
 902020-11-22T06:31:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fdde4c7 fanquake: build: pass XCODE_VERSION through to qt macOS cross compile conf
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1152020-11-22T08:39:43  <wumpus> fanquake: you'd expect a slight size increase from separate sections, just not that extreme as it is for that specific architecture/compiler combo
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1182020-11-22T08:41:56  <wumpus> fanquake: as for the type signatures you can assign names to parts, (like, = can be used as "typedef") this can make them more readable for complex ones
1192020-11-22T08:42:31  <sipa> wumpus: did you see achow101's comment that it could be due to sqlite?
1202020-11-22T08:42:55  <wumpus> also good for re-use
1212020-11-22T08:43:12  <wumpus> sipa: there's definitely some of the increase due to sqlite, but that would be seen on all architectures and compilers
1222020-11-22T08:43:25  <sipa> ah fair
1232020-11-22T08:43:25  <wumpus> and would not have an effect on bitcoin-cli!
1242020-11-22T08:44:06  <sipa> hopefully.
1252020-11-22T08:44:09  <wumpus> the size increase I noticed stuffs the binary with zeroes, it would be easy to measure :)
1262020-11-22T08:44:20  <sipa> ok
1272020-11-22T08:45:06  <sipa> it's really bizarre to me that whole bunches of zeroes end up in the binary
1282020-11-22T08:45:25  <sipa> is this really intended behavior you think?
1292020-11-22T08:46:16  <wumpus> the "hello world" test I mentioned went from 8kB to 4MB, the rest is just zeroes
1302020-11-22T08:46:40  <wumpus> no, I don't think it's intended behvior it was fixed in gcc 9
1312020-11-22T08:47:02  <wumpus> they exagerrated the alignment
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1332020-11-22T08:49:52  <sipa> ah ok!
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1352020-11-22T08:51:39  <wumpus> another thing on the list of reasons to upgrade the compiler, but then again, newer gcc might have the memcmp issue so blindly upgrading isn't a good idea
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1382020-11-22T08:55:54  <sipa> looks like that will be fixed in the next 10.x release
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1402020-11-22T08:56:11  <sipa> so 10.3 i guess
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1422020-11-22T09:02:19  <wumpus> I noticed because I created a lxc environment with bionic, installed all the (ELF) cross compilers gitian does as well as the x86_64 one, then used a script that compiles the same source file for all architectures in parallel :-) The ppc64 binaries also stand out in size (with and without separate sections) but it's much less pronounced.
1432020-11-22T09:02:54  <wumpus> (but also due to padding)
1442020-11-22T09:04:18  <wumpus> not sure what the page size is of ppc64 it may be needed there
1452020-11-22T09:04:41  <wumpus> 64k. okay.
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1682020-11-22T12:06:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #20452: Replace use of locale dependent atoi(…) with locale-independent std::from_chars(…) (C++17) (master...remove-atoi) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20452
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1752020-11-22T12:25:59  <wumpus> wait, C++ added a truly locale independent integer parser ? this is above any expectations for me
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1782020-11-22T12:33:25  <wumpus> bracing myself for any subtleties that come up for reasons to avoid std::from_chars anyhow
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1822020-11-22T13:09:00  <wumpus> it handles embedded \x00 as any other trailing garbage that's refreshing
1832020-11-22T13:13:27  <wumpus> and out-of-range values for the provided result type return an error
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1852020-11-22T13:16:44  <wumpus> leading zeros are simply ignored, no octal or other unexpected base switching
1862020-11-22T13:17:10  <wumpus> very good
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2672020-11-22T19:56:15  <hebasto> is it possible to observe different hashes for gitian macos builds on the same machine (made some builds in a row with the same hash)?
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2982020-11-22T20:31:32  <hebasto> ^ yes, now I have different hashes.
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3002020-11-22T20:59:29  <gwillen> hebasto: hmm, obviously this is not how gitian is supposed to work
3012020-11-22T20:59:47  <gwillen> I know very little about gitian but I know things about macs (regrettably), let me know if I can help
3022020-11-22T21:01:10  <hebasto> gwillen: thanks. I was curious about testing #20436, #20440 and #20447
3032020-11-22T21:01:12  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20436 | depends: Add a nasty qt hack to work around clang non-determinism by theuni · Pull Request #20436 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3042020-11-22T21:01:13  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20440 | build: fix determinism issue when building qt with Clang 8 by fanquake · Pull Request #20440 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3052020-11-22T21:01:14  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20447 | depends: Patch qt_intersect_spans to avoid non-deterministic behavior in LLVM 8 by achow101 · Pull Request #20447 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3062020-11-22T21:08:10  <sipa> gwillen: TL;DR: LLVM 8 has inherent nondeterminism in the compiler, there are various ways around it
3072020-11-22T21:13:33  <gwillen> ahhhh :-(
3082020-11-22T21:13:42  <gwillen> that is deeply regrettable and I'm surprised they did that
3092020-11-22T21:15:13  <sipa> gwillen: it's not too long ago that compiler determinism was unheard of entirely
3102020-11-22T21:15:35  <gwillen> sure, but regressing it now that a lot of people depend on it seems rude.
3112020-11-22T21:16:35  <luke-jr> sipa: not true
3122020-11-22T21:16:42  <luke-jr> sipa: there was a lot of deterministic work in the 80s
3132020-11-22T21:16:55  <luke-jr> forgotten by the subsequent generation
3142020-11-22T21:17:43  <luke-jr> (which is probably why reviving it was relatively easy?)
3152020-11-22T21:17:57  <sipa> gwillen: it was fixed in LLVM9, so i think it was unintentional
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3272020-11-22T22:43:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #20454: build: Bump clang version to fix non-determinism (master...201122-clang) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20454
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