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122021-02-05T00:53:26 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] brunoerg opened pull request #21084: test: fix timeout decrease in feature_assumevalid (master...fix-timeout-assumevalid) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21084
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282021-02-05T03:39:23 <sipa> sdaftuar: yw
292021-02-05T04:03:35 <dr_orlovsky> sipa: are there any plans of creating BIP-43 new purpose for XCoordOnly pubkey derivation? I assume this is desirable since it is not recommended to use keys for Schnorr signatures in ECDSA
302021-02-05T04:08:00 <sipa> dr_orlovsky: i have no interest in that
312021-02-05T04:11:18 <dr_orlovsky> ok, but how do you think, is it required at all (as a support for "good practices"?)
322021-02-05T04:13:17 <sipa> yeah, you'll probably want a separate bip32 path for P2TR outputs; but that has nothing to do with ECDSA/Schnorr; you just don't want to reuse the same keys
332021-02-05T04:13:53 <sipa> i don't know if that needs a standard like BIP43 - perhaps it helps
342021-02-05T04:14:27 <sipa> in general i prefer being explicit about usage using descriptors and similar things rather than making them implicitly dependent on the key path
352021-02-05T04:14:32 <sipa> but i haven't thought very hard about this
362021-02-05T04:15:21 <dr_orlovsky> clear, thank you
372021-02-05T04:17:29 <sipa> you're right of course that using the same key in schnorr and ecdsa should be discouraged (i personally expect it is not less secure than just ecdsa with that key, but i also don't think anyone has formally analyzed this)... but in the context of bitcoin script signing, this advice is sort of preempted by the fact that you shouldn't be reusing keys _at all_ for whatever purpose
382021-02-05T04:19:28 <dr_orlovsky> wouldn't tagging key with its own hash for P2TR prevent key reuse with ECDSA anyway?
392021-02-05T04:19:38 <dr_orlovsky> *tagging -> tweaking
402021-02-05T04:20:00 <sipa> yes, but not in a meaningful way
412021-02-05T04:20:08 <sipa> they'd still be related keys
422021-02-05T04:20:15 <dr_orlovsky> true
432021-02-05T04:20:47 <dr_orlovsky> you will have a ECDSA->tweaked taproot simple derivation so you can index blockchain
442021-02-05T04:21:00 <sipa> i guess that means this whole point is moot, and we should probably have a deep look at proving security of ECDSA and Schnorr signatures of linearly related keys (as those created by P2C-tweaking or BIP32 derivation result)
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462021-02-05T04:21:32 <sipa> i can't imagine that this poses problems, but it'd be good to formally prove it
472021-02-05T04:22:16 <sipa> because say hardware wallets may use one root key for both ecdsa and schnorr signing, even if that happens through separate subtrees
482021-02-05T04:23:34 <dr_orlovsky> wouldn't hardened derivation cancel any potential correlation?
492021-02-05T04:24:11 <dr_orlovsky> so BIP43-type new purpose value for P2TR will be a good solution in this respect as well?
502021-02-05T04:24:40 <sipa> ah, does it use hardened derivation at that step? i'm not familiar with these standards
512021-02-05T04:24:45 <sipa> in that case, yes, indeed
522021-02-05T04:24:52 <dr_orlovsky> it does
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722021-02-05T07:33:20 <wumpus> sipa: that's a very good description, i've often wondered if we could increase the default maximum number of connections if we could somehow limit the resources every single one can take, this is a good general improvement
732021-02-05T07:35:59 <wumpus> (the other approach would be the micro-management side, e.g. scoring, but a negotiation phase in which some kinds of more expensive messages are already explicitly disallowed makes a lot of sense)
742021-02-05T07:49:44 <wumpus> jamesob | jonatack: *adds myspace to list of alternatives* <- kidding aside i have wondered at times whether github is close enough to a social network that layering something like it on top of say, fediverse or matrix protocol would make sense
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772021-02-05T07:52:28 <wumpus> it would have some advantages compared to e-mail e.g. moderation features, not as much baggage regarding existing clients, easy federation, structured messages
782021-02-05T07:55:26 <wumpus> i'm sure someone thought of this before
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942021-02-05T08:56:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ea5a50f92a6f...4013e44c7444
952021-02-05T08:56:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf3b4b MarcoFalke: refactor: Treat ArgsManager::Flags as uint32_t explicitly
962021-02-05T08:56:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4013e44 MarcoFalke: Merge #21082: refactor: Treat ArgsManager::Flags as uint32_t explicitly
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992021-02-05T08:56:57 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21082: refactor: Treat ArgsManager::Flags as uint32_t explicitly (master...2102-unsigned) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21082
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1022021-02-05T09:06:07 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4013e44c7444...01d2cf2674fd
1032021-02-05T09:06:08 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fac4be3 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Configure check for main function (take 2)
1042021-02-05T09:06:08 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 01d2cf2 MarcoFalke: Merge #21080: fuzz: Configure check for main function (take 2)
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1072021-02-05T09:06:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21080: fuzz: Configure check for main function (take 2) (master...2101-fuzzTake2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21080
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1112021-02-05T09:22:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/01d2cf2674fd...53730a78bc3b
1122021-02-05T09:22:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master eecb7ab gzhao408: [doc] clarify -peertimeout and -timeout descriptions
1132021-02-05T09:22:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 53730a7 MarcoFalke: Merge #21077: doc: clarify -timeout and -peertimeout config options
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1162021-02-05T09:22:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #21077: doc: clarify -timeout and -peertimeout config options (master...2021-02-peertimeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21077
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1262021-02-05T10:09:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack closed pull request #20646: doc: refer to BIPs 339/155 in feature negotiation (master...signet-keep-post-verack-sendaddrv2-peers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20646
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1282021-02-05T10:11:09 <wumpus> jonatack: it would be more helpful to ping people here if something isn't being merged instead of to just close it
1292021-02-05T10:12:16 <wumpus> it's not intentional it's just gotten lost in the noise
1302021-02-05T10:12:21 <jonatack> wumpus: oh, i thought it was needlessly encumbering the review stack for a very minor change. i'm not clear on what to do in that case.
1312021-02-05T10:12:48 <wumpus> it has so many ACKs
1322021-02-05T10:13:29 <wumpus> please reopen it then i'll merge it
1332021-02-05T10:14:13 <jonatack> ok. tbh i felt bad that it had taken time from important things.
1342021-02-05T10:14:47 <wumpus> documentation is an important thing
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1362021-02-05T10:14:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack reopened pull request #20646: doc: refer to BIPs 339/155 in feature negotiation (master...signet-keep-post-verack-sendaddrv2-peers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20646
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1392021-02-05T10:16:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/53730a78bc3b...3931732191fb
1402021-02-05T10:16:17 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e1e6714 Jon Atack: doc: refer to BIPs 339/155 in feature negotiation
1412021-02-05T10:16:18 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3931732 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20646: doc: refer to BIPs 339/155 in feature negotiation
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1442021-02-05T10:16:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20646: doc: refer to BIPs 339/155 in feature negotiation (master...signet-keep-post-verack-sendaddrv2-peers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20646
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1472021-02-05T10:17:34 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Saibato opened pull request #21085: test: enable self.chain = 'main' to work in python bitcoin test framework (master...mainettests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21085
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1492021-02-05T10:18:05 <wumpus> thanks
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1552021-02-05T10:51:00 <jonatack> dank
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1922021-02-05T13:26:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 15 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3931732191fb...a6b1bf64399f
1932021-02-05T13:26:44 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6f36242 Andrew Chow: tests: Set descriptors default based on compilation
1942021-02-05T13:26:45 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b9b88f5 Andrew Chow: Skip legacy wallet reliant tests if BDB is not compiled
1952021-02-05T13:26:46 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3641597 Andrew Chow: tests: Don't make any wallets unless wallet is required
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1982021-02-05T13:27:03 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20267: Disable and fix tests for when BDB is not compiled (master...tests-opt-sqlite-bdb) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20267
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2092021-02-05T13:43:35 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a6b1bf64399f...b829894f8483
2102021-02-05T13:43:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 62bf5b7 Jon Atack: netinfo: add ConnectionTypeForNetinfo member helper function
2112021-02-05T13:43:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d3cca3b Jon Atack: netinfo: update to use peer connection types
2122021-02-05T13:43:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5de7a6c Jon Atack: netinfo: display manual peers count
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2152021-02-05T13:43:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20764: cli -netinfo peer connections dashboard updates ð ⨠(master...netinfo-updates-dec-2020) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20764
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2232021-02-05T13:57:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b829894f8483...173cf31299eb
2242021-02-05T13:57:38 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faf7d74 MarcoFalke: fuzz: Avoid extraneous copy of input data, using Span<>
2252021-02-05T13:57:38 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 173cf31 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20839: fuzz: Avoid extraneous copy of input data, using Span<>
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2282021-02-05T13:57:57 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20839: fuzz: Avoid extraneous copy of input data, using Span<> (master...2101-fuzzSpan) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20839
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2572021-02-05T16:41:41 <bitcoin-git> [gui] jonatack closed pull request #201: gui: ensure inbound block relay peers have relevant services (master...inbound-block-relay) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/201
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2592021-02-05T16:42:09 <jonatack> (closed in favor of GUI 203)
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2692021-02-05T17:43:14 <wumpus> fanquake: oops, looks like i need to upgrade my ancient debootstrap version to make a base image for #21036
2702021-02-05T17:43:16 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21036 | gitian: Bump descriptors to Focal for 22.0 by fanquake · Pull Request #21036 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2712021-02-05T17:44:41 <wumpus> E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/focal
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2732021-02-05T17:49:10 <bitcoin-git> [gui] jonasschnelli merged pull request #203: Display plain "Inbound" in peer details (master...display-plain-inbound-and-add-release-notes) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/203
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2762021-02-05T17:49:35 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/173cf31299eb...6c6140846f37
2772021-02-05T17:49:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 506e658 Jon Atack: gui: display plain "Inbound" in peer details
2782021-02-05T17:49:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6c61408 Jonas Schnelli: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#203: Display plain "Inbound" in peer details
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2822021-02-05T18:08:08 <wumpus> upgrading debootstrap to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.123ubuntu2.tar.gz solved the above issue, happy to just have wildly increased the VM size so it fits another build image
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2862021-02-05T18:17:23 * achow101 waits impatiently for guix
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2922021-02-05T18:53:37 <copumpkin> is there a writeup somewhere on guix vs. nix from a bitcoin dev perspective?
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2952021-02-05T18:58:39 <sipa> copumpkin: there was a discussion about that a few days ago here
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2972021-02-05T19:01:56 <sipa> copumpkin: my understanding is mostly (a) it's a different language (which we likely don't really care about; neither nix's DSL or scheme are familiar for most developers) and (b) guix aims (or succeeds?) much more for binary reproducibility
2982021-02-05T19:07:27 <copumpkin> ah fair enough, thanks! I'll check scrollback/logs for more detail
2992021-02-05T19:08:43 <sipa> and you primarily find (a) as a reason for why Guix was created "no custom DSL", but the reason why we care about isn't so much its origins, but the fact that it simplifies our deterministic building setup
3002021-02-05T19:10:17 <copumpkin> makes sense, definitely wasn't a pointed question, was just curious :)
3012021-02-05T19:11:20 <copumpkin> even as an (ex) Nix developer I'm excited to see this family of build system get more widely adopted
3022021-02-05T19:11:54 <sipa> ping dongcarl, roconnor: ^
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3042021-02-05T19:17:57 <dongcarl> Hi copumpkin, the main (by a large margin) reason is because of Guix's commitment towards bootstrappability at the time I was investigating it as a possible build system for Bitcoin. At that time I had used Nix for a couple of years, and would have preferred to use Nix due to familiarity, but unfortunately there was less of an effort to make it
3052021-02-05T19:17:58 <dongcarl> bootstrappable.
3062021-02-05T19:19:06 <copumpkin> referring to the fact that the little bootstrap bundle underpinning the linux/darwin stdenvs doesn't actually get much love most of the time?
3072021-02-05T19:19:34 <copumpkin> (it's a normal derivation and last I checked Hydra was building it, but it breaks from time to time and I don't think many people notice, etc.)
3082021-02-05T19:20:03 <copumpkin> or you mean the actual provenance chain of that bundle through the ages?
3092021-02-05T19:20:18 <dongcarl> copumpkin: I'm mostly referring to the Reduced Binary Seed bootstrap with GNU Mes + stage0
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3112021-02-05T19:21:10 <copumpkin> ohh, I see, hmm
3122021-02-05T19:21:25 <copumpkin> mind if I PM? probably more detail than most people care about
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3142021-02-05T19:22:12 <dongcarl> copumpkin: Sure, happy to chat, we can also go to #bitcoin-builds, where bitcoin build systems people hang out :-)
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3162021-02-05T19:28:25 <luke-jr> (and ironically Guix has bootstrapping problems)
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3202021-02-05T19:44:13 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #21087: guix: Passthrough BASE_CACHE into container (master...2020-12-guix-base-cache) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21087
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3242021-02-05T19:48:35 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #21088: guix: Jump forwards in time-machine and adapt (master...2021-02-bump-time-machine) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21088
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3272021-02-05T19:51:32 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #21089: guix: Add support for powerpc64{,le} (master...2021-02-guix-ppc64-support) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21089
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3292021-02-05T19:56:30 <achow101> anyone want to review PRs with me on my stream on monday?
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3372021-02-05T20:30:47 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dhruv opened pull request #21090: Default to NODE_WITNESS in nLocalServices (master...default-to-node-witness-2021) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21090
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