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102021-08-12T00:58:54 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed tag v0.21.2rc1: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/v0.21.2rc1
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122021-08-12T01:00:32 <fanquake> I've pushed up a tag for v0.21.2rc1
132021-08-12T01:00:39 <fanquake> Hopefully everyone remembers how to gitian buildd
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152021-08-12T01:01:19 <achow101> \o/
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242021-08-12T02:16:19 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #22686: wallet: Use GetSelectionAmount in ApproximateBestSubset (master...use-getselectionvalue) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22686
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312021-08-12T03:07:18 <fanquake> sipa / wumpus: can you block ljkt7334
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432021-08-12T04:03:42 <laanwj> congrats on your first tag fanquake
442021-08-12T04:08:40 <_aj_> #fanquake
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662021-08-12T08:45:39 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #22688: contrb: use `keyserver.ubuntu.com` to retrieve builder keys (master...use_ubuntu_keyserver) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22688
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682021-08-12T08:48:20 <vasild> What's the preferred way to choose (hopefully) unused ports in the functional tests, in addition to p2p and rpc?
692021-08-12T08:51:59 <vasild> Just hardcoding a seemingly random port and binding to it seems like a bad idea - will collide with something sooner or later.
702021-08-12T08:58:18 <darosior> vasild: bind to 0? The kernel will give you an available port
712021-08-12T08:58:49 <vasild> :-O
722021-08-12T08:58:59 <vasild> I wasn't aware of that
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752021-08-12T09:03:06 <vasild> darosior: it is not a generic solution because in many cases we want to tell bitcoind (from tests): "please bind on port 1234" and then we try to connect to 1234 from the tests, so bitcoind would have to bind to 0 and somehow report the port it got. But in my case where I do the bind() from the python testing framework it may work, trying...
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772021-08-12T09:11:00 <darosior> It may be a bit racy but in the first scenario you could always do a dummy bind() on the Python side (with SO_REUSEADDR to avoid waiting) to get an available port and pass that to bitcoind. There is very little chance a process on the host machine would decide to bind to this port in the meantime
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792021-08-12T09:13:19 <vasild> darosior: yeah, but that's not necessary as for now I am just looking at the simpler scenario where the listener is the python code
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812021-08-12T09:42:53 <vasild> darosior: It works! Excellent suggestion, thanks!
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832021-08-12T10:28:10 <laanwj> we need some standard way in the test framework for tests to request extra ports, i guess
842021-08-12T10:28:47 <laanwj> make sure they're all given out in a similar way to minimize clashes
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962021-08-12T11:37:06 <laanwj> i guess some of the tests (such as the socks proxy one) already need an extra port
972021-08-12T11:47:38 <vasild> laanwj: "make sure they're all given out in a similar way to minimize clashes" -- indeed!
982021-08-12T11:48:29 <vasild> we lack such a way, maybe introduce extra_port(node_number) in addition to p2p_port(node_number) and rpc_port(node_number)
992021-08-12T11:49:22 <vasild> a workaround trick would be to use p2p_port(n) with n > number of nodes used in the test and n < MAX_NODES (12)
1002021-08-12T11:49:59 <vasild> e.g. if a test uses 3 nodes, then p2p_port(4) is going to be free
1012021-08-12T12:12:15 <laanwj> that might be a good idea, can't think of any issue with that
1022021-08-12T12:12:58 <laanwj> though it will be important to comment the intent in the code when doing that, to make future maintainers not scratch their head :)
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1222021-08-12T14:12:42 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] josibake opened pull request #22689: rpc: properly deprecate mempool entry fee fields (master...josibake-deprecate-mempool-entry-fee-fields) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22689
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1452021-08-12T16:53:56 <shiza> I find <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/0.21/doc/release-notes.md> a little bit arid compared to <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/22.x/doc/release-notes.md>?
1462021-08-12T16:57:13 <laanwj> the 22.0 preliminary release notes are still on the wiki (link should be at the top), they'll be merged into the branch after the rcs
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1482021-08-12T17:03:33 <bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #360: Unregister wallet notifications before unloading wallets (master...pr/qtwd) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/360
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1512021-08-12T17:03:53 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9948f114f8e6...439e58c4d819
1522021-08-12T17:03:53 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 93cc53a Russell Yanofsky: gui: Unregister wallet notifications before unloading wallets
1532021-08-12T17:03:53 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 439e58c Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#360: Unregister wallet notifications before unloadi...
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1552021-08-12T17:10:50 <shiza> laanwj: Ah, I was trying to capture the attention on the upcoming 0.21 release notes.
1562021-08-12T17:11:53 <shiza> I think there's a new release manager for that, just trying to keep an extra eye.
1572021-08-12T17:28:29 <luke-jr> I think #21848 introduces a bug in the case the user has configured a large (>4 GB) mempool with high descendant limits, and spams his mempool with >4 GB of chained transactions
1582021-08-12T17:28:32 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21848 | refactor: Make CFeeRate constructor architecture-independent by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #21848 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1592021-08-12T17:29:28 <luke-jr> possibly something needs to trigger TrimToSize also
1602021-08-12T17:29:50 <luke-jr> (but not when/if #21422 gets merged)
1612021-08-12T17:29:53 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21422 | Add feerate histogram to getmempoolinfo by kiminuo · Pull Request #21422 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1622021-08-12T17:31:13 <luke-jr> very edge case, but might be better to fix it
1632021-08-12T17:31:26 <luke-jr> MarcoFalke: ^ thoughts?
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1682021-08-12T17:46:51 <Guest32> Is Homomorphic Encryption used in any known coin?
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1712021-08-12T18:01:07 <luke-jr> Guest32: off-topic here
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1782021-08-12T18:23:38 <Guest32> luke-jr Where would be a good place to ask this?
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1882021-08-12T18:55:35 <michaelfolkson> Guest32: https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/homomorphic-encryption
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1902021-08-12T18:57:39 <michaelfolkson> I think Grin, Beam do but yeah off topic here https://medium.com/scalar-capital/behind-mimblewimble-cd9da78a00e9
1912021-08-12T19:00:22 <laanwj> #startmeeting
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1942021-08-12T19:00:45 <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos
1952021-08-12T19:00:46 <laanwj> nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
1962021-08-12T19:00:49 <meshcollider> hi
1972021-08-12T19:00:52 <gene> hi
1982021-08-12T19:00:53 <larryruane> hi
1992021-08-12T19:00:53 <laanwj> welcome to the weekly bitcoin-core-dev meeting
2002021-08-12T19:00:57 <michaelfolkson> hi
2012021-08-12T19:00:58 <jonatack> hi
2022021-08-12T19:01:00 <jamesob> hi
2032021-08-12T19:01:04 <achow101> hi
2042021-08-12T19:01:07 <laanwj> there have been no proposed topics using #proposedmeetingtopic
2052021-08-12T19:01:13 <laanwj> any last minute ones?
2062021-08-12T19:01:43 <jamesob> can I talk about the state of assumeutxo? pretty brief, mostly a beg
2072021-08-12T19:01:45 <laanwj> PSA: 0.21.2rc1 was tagged today
2082021-08-12T19:02:05 <laanwj> jamesob: sure!
2092021-08-12T19:02:09 <laanwj> i'll announce the topic
2102021-08-12T19:02:46 <gleb7> Hi
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2122021-08-12T19:03:23 <laanwj> we'll start with "high priority for review" as usual
2132021-08-12T19:03:35 <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
2142021-08-12T19:03:35 <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
2152021-08-12T19:03:40 <hebasto> hi
2162021-08-12T19:03:42 <kanzure> hi
2172021-08-12T19:04:04 <laanwj> current status: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 5 blockers, no bugfixes or chasing concept ACK
2182021-08-12T19:04:26 <laanwj> anything to add/remove, or that is ready for merge?
2192021-08-12T19:06:00 <jonatack> i'm going through #21526 commit-by-commit right now. spent some time while my machine was blocked gitian building today to catch up on the context and progress.
2202021-08-12T19:06:05 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/21526 | validation: UpdateTip/CheckBlockIndex assumeutxo support by jamesob · Pull Request #21526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2212021-08-12T19:06:25 <laanwj> jonatack: great!
2222021-08-12T19:06:47 <jonatack> (it's been through a number of review cycles and seems close)
2232021-08-12T19:07:03 <laanwj> that's good to know
2242021-08-12T19:07:36 <laanwj> no one has new high prio PRs to propose?
2252021-08-12T19:08:02 <jonatack> i wonder if #22651 and #22648 should be considered for 22.0 but might be late for it
2262021-08-12T19:08:06 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22651 | tor: respect non-onion -onlynet= for outgoing Tor connections by vasild · Pull Request #22651 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2272021-08-12T19:08:08 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22648 | doc, test: improve i2p/tor docs and i2p reachable unit tests by jonatack · Pull Request #22648 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2282021-08-12T19:08:43 <laanwj> only if they're considered bugfixes
2292021-08-12T19:08:44 <jonatack> this seems to be a source of new confusion for people who are running I2P for the first time
2302021-08-12T19:09:14 <luke-jr> would be nice to finally get #12677 in
2312021-08-12T19:09:17 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12677 | RPC: Add ancestor{count,size,fees} to listunspent output by luke-jr · Pull Request #12677 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2322021-08-12T19:09:24 <laanwj> as for the doc PR, sure
2332021-08-12T19:10:18 <laanwj> luke-jr: added
2342021-08-12T19:11:12 <laanwj> #topic The state of assumeutxo (jamesob)
2352021-08-12T19:11:12 <core-meetingbot> topic: The state of assumeutxo (jamesob)
2362021-08-12T19:11:23 <jamesob> many of you are probably familiar with assumeutxo (#15606). I think this is a pretty high-value feature that not only solves some existing problems today (e.g. people offering GPG-signed datadirs to speed bootstrapping in various thirdparty projects, linear-time IBD which isn't scalable), but also promises some interesting optimizations down the road (e.g. parallel n chainstate validation a la utreexo).
2372021-08-12T19:11:26 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15606 | assumeutxo by jamesob · Pull Request #15606 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2382021-08-12T19:12:03 <jamesob> (worth noting that AU has also helped other interesting projects like chainstate deglobalization and so indirectly libbitcoinkernel)
2392021-08-12T19:12:08 <jamesob> the draft implementation of this has been under review for almost two and a half years now, and I'm a little concerned with the rate of progress - especially relative to the effort needed to keep the change rebased. At this rate it feels like it'll be another two years before the feature is actually available to end users.
2402021-08-12T19:12:22 <jamesob> 15606 has recently undergone thorough review by ryanofsky, and subsequently I made a number of improvements based on his feedback. I think the PR is in a pretty good state, with functional tests, scripts, release notes, doc etc. and I'd like to do anything I can to help get it reviewed and merged in a timely way.
2412021-08-12T19:12:43 <jamesob> if others could look the PR over I'd be really thankful, and I'm curious if anyone has any good ideas for how we might expedite the process so that assumeutxo isn't in progress for another few years; e.g. should I be doing larger PRs so as to consolidate review/test cycles?
2422021-08-12T19:13:12 <jonatack> jamesob: it might be helpful to clarify in the 15606 where 21526 fits in the roadmap
2432021-08-12T19:13:53 <laanwj> we should be able to merge feature PRs quicker while we're early in the 23.0 release cycle
2442021-08-12T19:14:03 <jamesob> jonatack: sure - 21526 is just the first few commits of 15606; the latter represents the complete set of commits needed to implement assumeutxo
2452021-08-12T19:14:04 <laanwj> but I guess it's all bottlenecked by review as usual
2462021-08-12T19:14:06 <jonatack> jamesob: i ended up ~figuring it out by going through the various docs
2472021-08-12T19:14:13 <luke-jr> I think smaller PRs would go faster, but maybe it's just me
2482021-08-12T19:14:24 <jonatack> yes
2492021-08-12T19:14:51 <laanwj> there's definitely a compromise there, too small PRs and people get tired of reviewing them if there's no clear forward progress
2502021-08-12T19:14:53 <jamesob> luke-jr: that's what I've been trying to do, but smaller PRs seem to take almost a fixed amount of time in overhead, and part of me wonders if it doesn't make sense to amortize review and test
2512021-08-12T19:15:21 <jamesob> e.g. the taproot PRs were fairly large and everyone was able to focus review/test on just a few PRs
2522021-08-12T19:15:25 <laanwj> but too many changes at once and everyone just puts it off
2532021-08-12T19:15:45 <laanwj> yes
2542021-08-12T19:15:50 <jonatack> jamesob: istm that there has some ongoing (and good) redesigning too that bubbles back across the changes
2552021-08-12T19:16:12 <jamesob> istm?
2562021-08-12T19:16:35 <jonatack> it seems to me. so that adds time but if the result is better...
2572021-08-12T19:16:50 <laanwj> i agree it's taking very long
2582021-08-12T19:16:53 <jamesob> there have certainly been some minor redesigns, but I would say they are essentially marginal refactors done for clarity
2592021-08-12T19:17:14 <jamesob> but of course I don't want to merge anything doesn't meet our standards
2602021-08-12T19:17:32 <jamesob> I'm just concerned that this has taken 2.5 years and I'm _maybe_ halfway through
2612021-08-12T19:17:49 <laanwj> you definitely didn't pick the easiest thing to integrate
2622021-08-12T19:17:55 <jamesob> haha, that's fair
2632021-08-12T19:18:21 <sipa> yeah, and it's something pretty invasive that many people perhaps aren't very keen on touching
2642021-08-12T19:18:33 <jonatack> yes, just been trying to catch up today on the context. progress could very well accelerate at a tipping point of "it's ready" :)
2652021-08-12T19:18:39 <luke-jr> I've avoided it because it feels huge, though looking at the current diff maybe not too bad
2662021-08-12T19:18:56 <sipa> (by which i don't mean it shouldn't be done - just that reviewers tend to focus on other more shortterm things)
2672021-08-12T19:19:17 <jamesob> well hey as long as you guys will write me attestations for sponsors that this thing is worth devoting time to lol
2682021-08-12T19:19:53 <jamesob> anyway, thanks for the consideration
2692021-08-12T19:20:04 <laanwj> thanks for the update!
2702021-08-12T19:20:15 <laanwj> i really hope it won't take another two years
2712021-08-12T19:20:46 <laanwj> any other topics for today?
2722021-08-12T19:20:52 <michaelfolkson> As laanwj says next few months seems like a good opportunity to make speedier progress as things seem to be quieter
2732021-08-12T19:20:54 <larryruane> there's something of a paradox, because when something is well-written (as I suspect this is), people are reluctant to review because they suspect they won't come up with anything to suggest
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2752021-08-12T19:21:28 <jamesob> larryruane: I've proposed a number of bugs over the years so that absolutely shouldn't be the case :P
2762021-08-12T19:21:36 <larryruane> haha
2772021-08-12T19:21:42 <michaelfolkson> Higher up the priority list now (perhaps)
2782021-08-12T19:22:18 <laanwj> right
2792021-08-12T19:23:22 <laanwj> #endmeeting
2802021-08-12T19:23:22 <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
2812021-08-12T19:23:22 <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Aug 12 19:23:21 2021 UTC.
2822021-08-12T19:23:22 <core-meetingbot> Minutes: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-08-12-19.00.moin.txt
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2852021-08-12T19:31:38 <jonatack> PR 22648 (the I2P doc one) depends in part on the -onlynet bugfix PR 22651, so it's best if that one is merged or postponed first
2862021-08-12T19:32:32 <jonatack> so the documentation in 22648 is correct
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2882021-08-12T19:46:10 <bitcoin-git> [gui] luke-jr opened pull request #404: Fix various edge case bugs in QValidatedLineEdit (master...bugfix_qvalidlineedit) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/404
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2932021-08-12T20:17:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jamesob opened pull request #22692: builder-keys: add jamesob (master...add-jamesob-builder) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22692
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