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1322021-10-08T04:14:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 6 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/99e53967c85c...97e2435ac43f
1332021-10-08T04:14:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 56303e3 John Newbery: [fuzz] Create a FastRandomContext in addrman fuzz tests
1342021-10-08T04:14:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 491975c John Newbery: [fuzz] Pass FuzzedDataProvider& into Fill() in addrman fuzz tests
1352021-10-08T04:14:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 90ad8ad John Newbery: [fuzz] Make RandAddr() a free function in fuzz/addrman.cpp
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1382021-10-08T04:14:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #23053: [fuzz] Use public methods in addrman fuzz tests (master...2021-09-addrman-fuzzer-public-methods2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23053
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1542021-10-08T04:45:38  <fanquake> Seems to be a lot of misinformation/confusing about the difference between someone being blocked from the repository and issues being locked. The two have nothing todo with each other. Obviously there is a distinction between "lock vs block".
1552021-10-08T04:45:47  <fanquake> The only users who get blocked from bitcoin/bitcoin are the ones posting outright nonsense / spam.
1562021-10-08T04:45:57  <fanquake> As mentioned, Marco recently went through and did a bulk lock of a number of old, already closed issues. This is something I've also done in the past to proactively prevent spam, although never in bulk.
1572021-10-08T04:46:15  <fanquake> There are many cases where an issue can be locked immediately, as there is not going to be any further useful discussion, for example, #23056, so just leaving it open for spam comments seems pointless.
1582021-10-08T04:46:16  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23056 | configure script failure · Issue #23056 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1592021-10-08T04:46:33  <fanquake> In any case, any user is always free to open a new issue, or if they'd like to comment on something that has been locked, they can post in IRC, email a maintainer, or just open a new issue anyway, and say they wanted to comment on the older one. However, I'm not aware of this actually having been an issue yet.
1602021-10-08T04:46:59  <fanquake> Similar to comments about instances of issue locking, PR closing etc, they never seem to be bought up at the time they may happen, it's only during a discussion like in the meeting, and then no-one seems to have examples. If you've got a problem with an action taken on the repository, please just make someone aware, even if by posting into this channel.
1612021-10-08T04:47:19  <fanquake> In regard to certain users, who aren't spammers (and won't be blocked), but have a long history of opening low quality / spammy PRs (i.e see the ratio of opened PRs to merged), and a tendency to perform code review on PRs that may be 5+ years old, after being asked many times not to do so, yes, sometimes those threads get locked, in order to prevent what might as well be spam comments.
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2172021-10-08T07:02:03  <Guest8477> привет , мне нужна помощь.
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2332021-10-08T07:32:36  <vasild> MarcoFalke: fanquake: any idea how those spammers operate - is it a human manually posting stuff or robots? I wonder if their logic is "find any open issue and post there"? If yes and we have 90 closed and 10 opened issues, then the opened issues would get 10% of the spam where it is more harmful compared to on closed issue because on open issues some discussions are going on.
2342021-10-08T07:33:07  <vasild> and, so, if the 90 closed issues are locked, then the open issues would get 100% of the spam?
2352021-10-08T07:33:51  <vasild> but having more locked ones would not reduce the amount of spam, just redirect it to the open ones?
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2782021-10-08T09:20:29  <Guest8477> hello i need help
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3072021-10-08T10:41:06  <meshcollider> Guest8477: for most help, #bitcoin would be a better channel to ask in
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3242021-10-08T11:36:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dougEfresh closed pull request #23224: [RFC] util: Add suffix byte unit parser for ArgsManager (master...add-args-byte-units) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23224
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3332021-10-08T11:55:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/97e2435ac43f...927586990eb9
3342021-10-08T11:55:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa1477e MarcoFalke: test: Add ParseMoney and ParseScript tests
3352021-10-08T11:55:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9275869 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23185: test: Add ParseMoney and ParseScript tests
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3382021-10-08T11:55:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23185: test: Add ParseMoney and ParseScript tests (master...2110-ToIntegral) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23185
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3422021-10-08T12:04:41  <MarcoFalke> vasild: I think the spammers are bored people on a phone (GitHub is an app on the play store). They probably think it is some kind of game.
3432021-10-08T12:05:09  <vasild> :)
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4022021-10-08T13:40:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #23216: clang-format: Set BraceWrapping:AfterControlStatement:MultiLine (master...2110-srcFormat) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23216
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4132021-10-08T13:56:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23227: bitcoin-tx: Avoid treating overflow as OP_0 (master...2110-ToIntegral) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23227
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4212021-10-08T14:16:01  <laanwj> oh no, github as phone app for bored people, that's the worst idea
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4492021-10-08T15:24:30  <prayank> luke-jr: Agree he isn't spam. Not sure if rebroad is in the channel, if you are reading this your pull requests arent low quality or spams. Just that few people in this repository don't agree with you. Also sometimes I have found interesting and helpful things in few closed PRs. So your contribution is appreciated.
4502021-10-08T15:25:05  <prayank> There are few very low quality and spammy merged PRs btw but will leave that discussion for some other day
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4532021-10-08T15:38:42  <yanmaani> With #23201, would it be welcomed to send in a PR that would, if you provided a signed transaction, use that as the weights?
4542021-10-08T15:38:44  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23201 | wallet: Allow users to specify input weights when funding a transaction by achow101 · Pull Request #23201 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4552021-10-08T15:39:10  <yanmaani> e.g. I send a transaction with signatue from input A. FRT would automatically detect the signature, and set its size as the size of the signature from A.
4562021-10-08T15:39:23  <yanmaani> it would still discard it
4572021-10-08T15:40:15  <yanmaani> also, I guess this is sort of a stupid idea, but would it make sense to have a notion of "soft" and "hard" sizes? Where soft means "go with this if you have no other estimate", and hard means "go with this always"
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4602021-10-08T15:47:44  <jamesob> cjdns testers: are running cjdnsroute with sudo? anyone figure out a clever way of avoiding that, or just yolo?
4612021-10-08T15:49:05  <achow101> yanmaani: it would probably be better to implement that on top of #23202. I realized that your idea can work as long as we figure out where the signatures are and use their max weights instead of actual weights given 23202 does that with txs to be rbf'd, and I think that can be extended to fundrawtransaction fairly easily
4622021-10-08T15:49:06  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23202 | wallet: allow psbtbumpfee to work with txs with external inputs by achow101 · Pull Request #23202 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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4652021-10-08T15:54:21  <jonatack> jamesob: good point, i confess to launching it with sudo ./cjdroute < cjdroute.conf > cjdroute.log but plan to look into avoiding that, or in the worst case reach out to caleb james delisle on mastodon where we're in touch
4662021-10-08T15:54:36  <yanmaani> achow101: implement what?
4672021-10-08T15:55:06  <achow101> yanmaani: getting weight information out of existing scriptSigs/witnesses in fundrawtransaction
4682021-10-08T15:55:36  <vasild> jamesob: it only starts as root but then drops to nobody and chroot()s (if configured)
4692021-10-08T15:55:39  <yanmaani> why would you not want to use their actual weights?
4702021-10-08T15:55:53  <sipa> jonatack, jamesob: given that it needs to create a network device, i don't see how you could avoid elevated privileges entirely
4712021-10-08T15:56:22  <yanmaani> isn't there some way to give an account special privs to make network devices?
4722021-10-08T15:56:31  <achow101> yanmaani: because the signature size can change depending on the signature
4732021-10-08T15:56:53  <yanmaani> achow101: but if it's already signed?
4742021-10-08T15:57:10  <achow101> it will be thrown away after funding, and the signature will change after funding
4752021-10-08T15:57:16  <achow101> because the tx is different
4762021-10-08T15:57:35  <vasild> https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/blob/master/doc/non-root-user.md
4772021-10-08T15:58:51  <sipa> ah, right, if you make the network device as root
4782021-10-08T16:01:22  <jonatack> cool, thanks vasild
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4812021-10-08T16:05:03  <vasild> yw :)
4822021-10-08T16:06:03  <vasild> aha, I found it!
4832021-10-08T16:06:35  <vasild> the text that says it is safer to run it as root: inside the generated cjdroute.conf
4842021-10-08T16:07:11  <vasild> https://bpa.st/YCJA
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4892021-10-08T16:16:00  <jamesob> Yeah but of course the guy who wrote the program will say it's safer to run as root :)
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5122021-10-08T16:55:11  <jonatack> https://mastodon.social/@cjd/107066838736303779
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5272021-10-08T17:43:12  <Sp79> Hello. Can someone help me with some info? I want to know how was bitcoin.pdf whitepaper was embedded in the bitcoin blockchain
5282021-10-08T17:45:17  <hebasto> Sp79: (1) it is off-topic here; (2) https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/35959/how-is-the-whitepaper-decoded-from-the-blockchain-tx-with-1000x-m-of-n-multisi
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5532021-10-08T19:01:09  <achow101> #startmeeting
5542021-10-08T19:01:33  <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd
5552021-10-08T19:01:34  <achow101> phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
5562021-10-08T19:02:14  <achow101> There is 1 pre-proposed topic. any last minute topics to add?
5572021-10-08T19:02:20  <S3RK> hi
5582021-10-08T19:02:46  <S3RK> I'd like to ask a question about descriptors that produce same scriptpubkeys
5592021-10-08T19:03:42  <sipa> hi
5602021-10-08T19:03:58  <achow101> #topic expand fundrawtx external input support to allow arbitrary scripts (achow101)
5612021-10-08T19:04:14  <kanzure> hi
5622021-10-08T19:04:41  <achow101> Originally I wanted to ask whether we should do this, but I think it's a bit moot now since people have been reviewing #23201
5632021-10-08T19:04:43  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23201 | wallet: Allow users to specify input weights when funding a transaction by achow101 · Pull Request #23201 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5642021-10-08T19:06:24  <achow101> the current proposal is to just let users specify the weights. yanmaani has suggested allowing users to provide signed inputs (in the tx for fundrawtx) and use that for weight estimation
5652021-10-08T19:07:01  <achow101> the only issue I saw with the latter idea is that signature sizes can change, but that can be solved by figuring out how many signatures there are and using their max sizes rather than real sizes
5662021-10-08T19:07:03  <achow101> thoughts?
5672021-10-08T19:07:49  <sipa> no opinion, really
5682021-10-08T19:08:16  * S3RK shrugs
5692021-10-08T19:08:42  <achow101> I suspected that would be the case
5702021-10-08T19:08:54  <achow101> #topic descriptors that produce same scriptpubkeys (S3RK)
5712021-10-08T19:09:39  <S3RK> I believe it's technically possible right now to import multiples descriptors that would produce same scripts
5722021-10-08T19:09:55  <S3RK> can you think of any valid use cases for this?
5732021-10-08T19:10:20  <achow101> upgrading a raw(addr) to full descriptor?
5742021-10-08T19:10:39  <sipa> or upgrading in general; e.g. adding origin info?
5752021-10-08T19:10:52  <achow101> but perhaps upgrading should be an actual upgrade and not duplicating
5762021-10-08T19:10:59  <sipa> right
5772021-10-08T19:11:11  <S3RK> yes, for upgrading we can replace the existing descriptor
5782021-10-08T19:11:59  <S3RK> if this is the only case, should we try to prevent users from importing such descriptors?
5792021-10-08T19:12:15  <achow101> yes, but that may be difficult
5802021-10-08T19:12:16  <S3RK> I think it could be hard to detect in some casees
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5822021-10-08T19:12:33  <achow101> e.g. something with derived keys at a high index
5832021-10-08T19:12:44  <S3RK> yes, exactly what I thought
5842021-10-08T19:12:50  <sipa> remind me, is it possible to import non-ranged descriptors?
5852021-10-08T19:12:54  <achow101> yes
5862021-10-08T19:12:55  <S3RK> yes
5872021-10-08T19:13:09  <achow101> I'm not sure that duplicating is necessarily detrimental though
5882021-10-08T19:13:16  <achow101> other than wasting space
5892021-10-08T19:13:43  <S3RK> It makes it a bit harder to reason about code
5902021-10-08T19:13:50  <S3RK> I made this mistake in my last PR
5912021-10-08T19:14:35  <S3RK> should we try to prevent at least in cases when we can detect it?
5922021-10-08T19:14:45  <achow101> iirc signing and fillpsbt go through all of the spkmans so it doesn't matter if one has less info than another, although conflicting info may be a problem
5932021-10-08T19:15:16  <S3RK> another one is `getaddressinfo`
5942021-10-08T19:16:23  <achow101> hmm yes
5952021-10-08T19:16:44  <achow101> I think it's reasonable to prevent it in obvious cases
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5972021-10-08T19:17:46  <achow101> I would say that having multiple descriptors for the same scripts is not a supported use case, so we shouldn't worry too much about it
5982021-10-08T19:18:00  <achow101> *about writing code that can deal with it
5992021-10-08T19:18:37  <S3RK> khm... I agree with the sentiment, but than we should make it clear that it's not supported
6002021-10-08T19:18:45  <S3RK> s/than/then/
6012021-10-08T19:19:14  <achow101> yes
6022021-10-08T19:20:16  <S3RK> we can prevent at import time most cases
6032021-10-08T19:20:28  <S3RK> and if we detect later we can deactivate maybe?
6042021-10-08T19:20:50  <S3RK> I don't know how far we should go to avoid it
6052021-10-08T19:21:08  <achow101> if we were to detect it later, there isn't much that can be done to resolve it
6062021-10-08T19:21:33  <achow101> it would mean that the user would need to be able to delete the descriptor, but I'm really hesitant to add anything that would let people delete data from their wallet
6072021-10-08T19:21:36  <achow101> especially private keys
6082021-10-08T19:22:15  <S3RK> and there are probably already wallets like this :)
6092021-10-08T19:22:52  <S3RK> ok. good to know your thoughts, thanks
6102021-10-08T19:23:19  <achow101> any other topics?
6112021-10-08T19:24:24  <achow101> #endmeeting
6122021-10-08T19:24:48  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> Are these meetings scheduled somewhere? I just happened to be here and stumble across this.
6132021-10-08T19:25:33  <S3RK> https://bitcoincore.org/en/meetings/
6142021-10-08T19:28:47  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> S3RK: ty
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6222021-10-08T19:46:32  <laanwj> looks like the precompiled freebsd package for cjdns doesn't work on my server, it crashes with "illegal instruction" because it uses vxorps %xmm0,%xmm0,%xmm0 which is... avx
6232021-10-08T19:47:38  <sipa> ha
6242021-10-08T19:51:25  <sipa> what cpu do you have?
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6272021-10-08T19:56:05  <laanwj> Intel Atom C2350
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6292021-10-08T19:57:07  <laanwj> i'm sure it can be resolved with compiling from source, but it surprised me as i haven't seen their precompiled packages make assumptions about instruction set support before
6302021-10-08T20:00:44  <jonatack> fwiw i have the impression of seeing more peer connection churn than usual on master ~this past week, haven't pinned it down yet, but if anyone else is seeing it LMK
6312021-10-08T20:02:58  <jonatack> on a node running ip/onion/i2p/cjdns
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6602021-10-08T20:55:41  <luke-jr> any idea why time(0) would refuse to progress? :/
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