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2942021-10-10T09:44:24 <jonatack> spam https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23245
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2972021-10-10T09:54:02 <stick> What do you think about yggdrasil?
2982021-10-10T09:54:15 <stick> I see there is CJDNS being added to bitcoin-core
2992021-10-10T09:54:36 <stick> but I read some articles that yggdrasil is better in some regards
3002021-10-10T09:54:37 <stick> https://sudonull.com/post/31578-CJDNS-is-dead-long-live-Yggdrasil
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5272021-10-10T18:42:30 <luke-jr> any ideas why 0.21.2 would be failing to run the rpc_rawsign test on armhf? :/ https://launchpadlibrarian.net/562993496/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-armhf.bitcoin_0.21.2-xenial1.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
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5582021-10-10T19:43:19 <prayank> stick: yggdrasil can't be used for mainnet
5592021-10-10T19:44:16 <prayank> Yggdrasil is still an alpha project
5602021-10-10T19:46:53 <prayank> Also few reasons mentioned here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23077#issuecomment-926626650
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5972021-10-10T21:14:41 <jamesob> MarcoFalke: you had been working on something like #20664 initially, right? Am I remembering wrong or didn't you find some issue that made it infeasible, or at least made you stop working on it?
5982021-10-10T21:14:43 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20664 | Add scanblocks RPC call by jonasschnelli · Pull Request #20664 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5992021-10-10T21:16:27 <jamesob> Ah nevermind, found it: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15845#issuecomment-625768563
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6042021-10-10T21:29:05 <luke-jr> jamesob: I think they're subtly different. It's less of a problem if 20664 misses something since it's a new RPC, whereas 15845 missing something is a rather annoying bug
6052021-10-10T21:29:12 <luke-jr> (since it means the wallet scan failed to find wallet txs)
6062021-10-10T21:29:23 <luke-jr> of course, best if 20664 finds everything :P
6072021-10-10T21:29:38 <luke-jr> IIRC being descriptor-based avoided the issue tho?
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6292021-10-10T22:17:18 <davidbak> I'm looking around after reading the "how to get involved" information - which points to "good first issue" issues. And one of the first ones there is #18222 - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18822
6302021-10-10T22:17:19 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18222 | Add `blockfilterindex = p2wpkh` · Issue #18222 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
6312021-10-10T22:18:23 <davidbak> darn, I meant 18822
6322021-10-10T22:19:28 <davidbak> anyway, that was created 2020-04-29, and apparently two people worked on PRs - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19117 and https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18827 - rather quickly after that (also April/May 2020) - both of which went nowhere.
6332021-10-10T22:19:57 <davidbak> 19117 was closed with the comment "Seems like a generic feature discovery method is a better approach, so closing this".
6342021-10-10T22:20:50 <davidbak> (18827 sort of petered out and was closed by the author for some reason.)
6352021-10-10T22:21:34 <davidbak> Anyhow, my question is: is there interest in adding this RPC call? Is the comment "Seems like a generic feature discovery method is a better approach, so closing this" dispositive? Should issue 18822 be closed? What's the status?
6362021-10-10T22:21:53 <davidbak> And my meta-comment is: Is this the appropriate way to investigate: just asking here?
6372021-10-10T22:22:02 <davidbak> meta-comment -> meta-question
6382021-10-10T22:23:27 <sipa> probably the best way is commenting on the issue with your thoughts
6392021-10-10T22:24:30 <sipa> but you'll have to live with the fact that generally not everyone agrees what the right approach is
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6412021-10-10T22:29:07 <davidbak> I get that not everyone will agree on the right approach. And I understand discussing the issue. But in this case BOTH PRs, attempting to resolve this "good first issue" were closed _by the authors_ after doing all the work. Seems a shame in and of itself, but more to the point here: Leaves me uncertain as to whether this is an issue at all, much less a "good first issue"?
6422021-10-10T22:30:57 <davidbak> And that, of course, leaves me uncertain as to the value of the "good first issue" concept for getting involved in the first place ...
6432021-10-10T22:31:36 <davidbak> But my question really is: should the "good first issue" tag be taken off of 18822?
6442021-10-10T22:32:03 <sipa> Perhaps, yes.
6452021-10-10T22:32:23 <sipa> Sorry I don't really have good advice here, I haven't really followed up on this particular issue.
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6472021-10-10T22:36:14 <davidbak> Well, I just now added a comment to 18822 about this and I guess I'll see what happens.
6482021-10-10T22:38:26 <luke-jr> davidbak: I agree "good first issue" probably is wrong considering this
6492021-10-10T22:39:55 <luke-jr> davidbak: note that the first PR author ragequit, and closed ALL his PRs
6502021-10-10T22:40:00 <davidbak> ok. luke-jr - is "good first issues" still considered a good way to onboard to bitcoin-core development? And with or without the "PR Club" for getting tips?
6512021-10-10T22:40:06 <luke-jr> and I closed mine because I was convinced it was the wrong approach
6522021-10-10T22:40:55 <luke-jr> davidbak: generally, I recommend starting into dev by reviewing existing PRs
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6552021-10-10T22:41:34 <davidbak> Do you mean standard code review stuff, I assume "concept (n)ack" comments aren't really appropriate until you get some decent traction?
6562021-10-10T22:42:12 <sipa> davidbak: you're probably better off asking people who more recently started participating; both luke-jr and i have been around for a while, like jonatack's guide (https://jonatack.github.io/articles/how-to-contribute-pull-requests-to-bitcoin-core) and amiti's (https://medium.com/@amitiu/onboarding-to-bitcoin-core-7c1a83b20365)
6572021-10-10T22:42:29 <sipa> i think the review club is very helpful, yes
6582021-10-10T22:42:54 <davidbak> ok, i'm reading fairly widely right now about how to usefully/effectively join - I'll add those two immediately
6592021-10-10T22:42:55 <sipa> and yes, an unnuanced "concept ack" or "concept nack" from a new contributor isn't going to mean much
6602021-10-10T22:43:14 <luke-jr> yes, code review
6612021-10-10T22:43:28 <hebasto> davidbak: #bitcoin-core-pr-reviews
6622021-10-10T22:43:34 <luke-jr> 1) code review tends to be our bottleneck; 2) code review is a good way to learn the codebase
6632021-10-10T22:44:33 <davidbak> well, i certainly agree to both those points, so I'll get started there - and of course, my creating a dev environment that can build/run unit/functional tests and so on. thanks.
6642021-10-10T22:45:00 <davidbak> btw - speaking of unit tests - are prs out of the blue that _do_ add unit tests (only) considered valuable?
6652021-10-10T22:45:11 <davidbak> (because I do know how to write those)
6662021-10-10T22:45:12 <sipa> in some cases, definitely
6672021-10-10T22:45:13 <luke-jr> if they're good tests
6682021-10-10T22:45:27 <luke-jr> in the past, I've seen some newbies make tests that basically check 1+2=3
6692021-10-10T22:45:29 <davidbak> yes, well I know good vs bad there too, it's kind of a specialty
6702021-10-10T22:45:58 <davidbak> no, i'm new to bitcoin-core but not to development, but for you: that claim will remain to be seen until I produce
6712021-10-10T22:46:45 <luke-jr> we've come a long way in the past years, but I think there's still a lot of potential good tests missing
6722021-10-10T22:46:46 <sipa> the difficulty for those is knowing (a) what's undertested by asking around/getting an idea of existing tests and (b) writing tests that test for the desirable behavior, and not "accidentally" true properties that may change with a code improvement
6732021-10-10T22:47:12 <sipa> davidbak: in any case, questions about setting up a dev env tend to also be welcome in #bitcoin-core-pr-reviews i've noticed
6742021-10-10T22:47:33 <davidbak> good tips, thanks!
6752021-10-10T22:47:39 <luke-jr> ideally tests would find bugs before we get to RCs :P
6762021-10-10T22:47:53 <sipa> they often do
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6782021-10-10T22:48:02 <sipa> in fact, they often find bugs before a PR is even opened ;)
6792021-10-10T22:48:10 <davidbak> yes indeed, so i guess a good place to start looking for needed coverage would be PRs accepted to the next (i.e., pending) release
6802021-10-10T22:48:17 <luke-jr> sipa: right, I mean all âº
6812021-10-10T22:48:44 <luke-jr> davidbak: actually, newer code is probably more likely to have tests
6822021-10-10T22:48:45 <sipa> davidbak: most development is on the master branch, which will become the 23.0 release in a few months
6832021-10-10T22:49:35 <davidbak> hmmm, so ... perhaps you're suggesting look for problematic areas that have _fixes_ for hte next release, that may have a history of being problem spots?
6842021-10-10T22:50:01 <luke-jr> fixes tend to include tests to avoid regressions, too
6852021-10-10T22:50:48 <davidbak> yes, regrressions, but do they include a review of current test coverage for that feature that points to inadequacies? I guess no such area comes to your mind or you would have mentioned it.
6862021-10-10T22:52:09 <davidbak> i won't take your time anymore today - I'll continue my general "how to onboard" reading, and start looking at the code + tests myself. thanks!
6872021-10-10T22:52:25 <sipa> yw!
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7132021-10-10T23:51:41 <luke-jr> quite puzzled by the xenial 0.21.2 armhf build failure. I don't see any changes that are suspect :/
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