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2232021-10-11T06:08:02  <fanquake> #proposedmeetingtopic tag 0.20.3-final
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2322021-10-11T06:28:31  <luke-jr> for better or worse, not sure there's a point as it's only weeks away from not enforcing the consensus rules (Taproot activation)
2332021-10-11T06:30:03  <luke-jr> meh, I guess maybe a month or so. perhaps a warning in the release notes?
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3072021-10-11T08:29:43  <gleb7> jnewbery: #22910 can be undrafted now? It's unclear whether the pr is good for review :)
3082021-10-11T08:29:46  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22910 | [RFC] Encapsulate asmap in NetGroupManager by jnewbery · Pull Request #22910 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3292021-10-11T09:28:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5b7210c8745d...1790a8ddacae
3302021-10-11T09:28:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b142f79 lsilva01: skip test_getaddressinfo() if wallet is disabled
3312021-10-11T09:28:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c2fbdca lsilva01: Add BECH32_INVALID_VERSION test
3322021-10-11T09:28:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1790a8d MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22794: test: Verify if wallet is compiled in rpc_inv...
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3352021-10-11T09:29:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #22794: test: Verify if wallet is compiled in rpc_invalid_address_message.py test (master...split_invalid_address_message_test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22794
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3592021-10-11T10:26:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dougEfresh opened pull request #23249: util: ParseByteUnits - Parse a string with a suffix unit (master...util-parsebyteunit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23249
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3642021-10-11T10:39:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] SatoshiBitcoin opened pull request #23250: test pull request (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23250
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3672021-10-11T10:40:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #23250: test pull request (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23250
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3742021-10-11T11:01:29  <jnewbery> gleb7: It's ready for review, but I'm not 100% sure that https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22910/commits/16cef1ba368302531672ffe81d19bf70e61bd127 doesn't change behaviour in some subtle way. I'd need to do a very careful review of it and possibly add more tests to make sure.
3752021-10-11T11:02:05  <jnewbery> Until I've reviewed my own code and I'm satisfied it's right, I don't want it to be mergeable
3762021-10-11T11:02:41  <jnewbery> I'll try to get to it in the next couple of weeks
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4032021-10-11T12:03:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23253:  bitcoin-tx: Reject non-integral and out of range sequence ids  (master...2110-utilTxSeqId) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23253
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4062021-10-11T12:04:06  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #20544: build: Do not repeat warning names in -Werror=... options (master...201202-werror) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20544
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4142021-10-11T12:26:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hieblmi opened pull request #23254: Fix typo and grammar (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23254
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4222021-10-11T12:42:57  <meshcollider> I accidentally offended drahtbot https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16807#issuecomment-939993269
4232021-10-11T12:43:39  <fanquake> 🤖
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4252021-10-11T12:47:44  <meshcollider> Review beg for that PR #16807 btw ^ I just added a tonne of comments to assist review of the bech32 error detection code itself
4262021-10-11T12:47:45  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16807 | Let validateaddress locate error in Bech32 address by meshcollider · Pull Request #16807 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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4622021-10-11T14:09:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23255: util: Add mincore and clone3 to syscall sandbox (master...2110-syscall) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23255
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5362021-10-11T16:59:08  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> I'm studying crypto right now. What I've noticed is a lot of these algorithms have lookup tables in them.
5372021-10-11T16:59:42  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> I'm wondering how those lookup tables are generated and if they are constructed in a certain way for a reason
5382021-10-11T17:00:46  <sipa> Kaizen_Kintsugi: read the original publications about the cryptographic systems you're looking into
5392021-10-11T17:01:06  <sipa> sometimes the tables are just part of the specification, with a certain rationale
5402021-10-11T17:01:16  <sipa> sometimes they're an optimization
5412021-10-11T17:01:49  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> sipa: thanks for the pointers Ill do that
5422021-10-11T17:02:07  <sipa> i can give you better pointers if you say what specifically you're looking at
5432021-10-11T17:02:19  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> I'm starting at the beginning so DES
5442021-10-11T17:03:06  <sipa> heh, that would be offtopic here; DES isn't used in Bitcoin (and considered way too weak nowadays)
5452021-10-11T17:03:30  <stick> Kaizen_Kintsugi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-box
5462021-10-11T17:03:34  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> ah okay, i guess I could look at something more relevant, sha256 I think has the same thing
5472021-10-11T17:03:58  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> I'm trying to up my understanding to contrib to core
5482021-10-11T17:05:16  <sipa> for almost all things relates to Bitcoin Core developmemt, you can think of cryptographic algorithms as black boxes
5492021-10-11T17:05:29  <sipa> they provide certain guarantees, under certain conditions
5502021-10-11T17:06:04  <sipa> how and why they have these properties is somewhere between lots of deep theory, and just having lots of smart people having tried to break it
5512021-10-11T17:06:24  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> stick: thx, that scratched my curiosity perfectly, learned about bent functions
5522021-10-11T17:06:27  <sipa> i don't want to discourage you from learning cryptography, or implementations used; it's super fun
5532021-10-11T17:06:42  <sipa> but it's also almost irrelevant
5542021-10-11T17:07:24  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> sipa: yea I want to shore up my understanding, but this is the guidance I'm looking for, I dont really need to know how sha256, but btc uses in places x,y and z ect
5552021-10-11T17:07:37  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> is what I'm hearing
5562021-10-11T17:07:52  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> oof, that was a bad sentence.
5572021-10-11T17:08:17  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> What I'm hearing is, I dont need to know cryptographic details, I should learn where and when it is used in btc
5582021-10-11T17:09:35  <sipa> right; of course, if you'd want to propose the introduction of new cryptographic constructs or protocols, more understanding will be useful... but that's a rare thing
5592021-10-11T17:10:01  <sipa> beyond that... SHA256 is just a good cryptographic hash function
5602021-10-11T17:10:01  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> yea, I don't see myself doing that anytime soon haha.
5612021-10-11T17:10:12  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> right
5622021-10-11T17:10:43  <sipa> and of course, everyone who ever contributed to the cryptography had to start somewhere
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5852021-10-11T18:11:00  <yanmaani> Kaizen_Kintsugi: SHA256 has lookup tables of cube roots of first 256 primes
5862021-10-11T18:11:14  <sipa> s/lookup tables/IV/
5872021-10-11T18:11:15  <yanmaani> these are just chosen as "random" data
5882021-10-11T18:11:29  <yanmaani> yeah fair enough
5892021-10-11T18:12:18  <sipa> but yeah, such numbers are called NUMS (nothing up my sleeve)... they don't want them to have some very obvious structure (like all zeroes), but also don't want to actually put random numbers in the spec
5902021-10-11T18:12:40  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> yanmaani: I don't quite grasp that, I'm going to look it up
5912021-10-11T18:12:44  <sipa> so they use some simple formula that's unlikely to produce a specific structure that would weaken the system
5922021-10-11T18:13:24  <yanmaani> that, the first digits of pi, or "100,000 random numbers and their deviates" is the classic ;)
5932021-10-11T18:13:38  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> okay i see now
5942021-10-11T18:13:40  <sipa> in the case of SHA2, the IVs are indeed chosen as square roots and cube roots of primes
5952021-10-11T18:13:49  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> 2**(1/3)
5962021-10-11T18:13:50  <sipa> SHA3 actually doesn't have NUMS numbers
5972021-10-11T18:13:58  <sipa> which is pretty neat
5982021-10-11T18:14:06  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> its a way of generating irrational numbers
5992021-10-11T18:14:18  <Kaizen_Kintsugi> and is deterministic
6002021-10-11T18:15:22  <yanmaani> What is on-topic for the bitcoin-dev list, exactly?
6012021-10-11T18:15:29  <sipa> bitcoin development
6022021-10-11T18:15:34  <yanmaani> But it's not just patches for Bitcoin Core, right
6032021-10-11T18:15:52  <sipa> no, it's specifically not about bitcoin core (which is just an implementation)
6042021-10-11T18:16:17  <yanmaani> Is it about general technical ideas for cryptocurrency?
6052021-10-11T18:16:24  <yanmaani> Because I see some discussion about such topics
6062021-10-11T18:16:39  <sipa> anything you want to propose/discuss in the context of bitcoin
6072021-10-11T18:16:50  <sipa> not generic cryptocurrency discussion
6082021-10-11T18:19:08  <yanmaani> But something like p2pool would be on-topic, because it can be used with bitcoin?
6092021-10-11T18:19:44  <sipa> sure
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