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32021-10-21T00:35:55 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b65a25a Martin Zumsande: log: improve addrman logging
42021-10-21T00:35:55 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 69986de fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#22839: log: improve addrman logging
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72021-10-21T00:36:12 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #22839: log: improve addrman logging (master...202108_log_addrman) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22839
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182021-10-21T01:31:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/69986de383ff...4229f71bf8c2
192021-10-21T01:31:56 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 17ae260 Cory Fields: build: remove build stubs for external leveldb
202021-10-21T01:31:56 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4229f71 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23282: build: remove build stubs for external leveld...
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232021-10-21T01:32:13 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #23282: build: remove build stubs for external leveldb (master...no_external_leveldb) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23282
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262021-10-21T02:18:14 <cfields> kanzure: thanks for hosting :)
272021-10-21T02:20:51 <jamesob> does anyone understand this test failure? I don't see why my PR would be causing it, but I also don't see the same failure on other PRs: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23289/checks?check_run_id=3955413522
282021-10-21T02:22:57 <fanquake> jamesob: see #22936. I'd assume the descriptors failure is intermittent, which results in the other error, neither of which are related to your change
292021-10-21T02:22:58 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22936 | test: dont try and use os.killpg() on Windows by fanquake · Pull Request #22936 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
302021-10-21T02:23:11 <jamesob> awesome, will review now
312021-10-21T02:23:22 <jamesob> thanks fanquake
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342021-10-21T02:30:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4229f71bf8c2...c53e95f22cc2
352021-10-21T02:30:27 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fac303c MarcoFalke: refactor: Remove unused MakeUCharSpan
362021-10-21T02:30:27 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa1e5de MarcoFalke: scripted-diff: Move bloom to src/common
372021-10-21T02:30:27 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa2d611 MarcoFalke: style: Sort
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402021-10-21T02:30:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #23137: Move-only: bloom to src/common (master...2109-srcCommon) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23137
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932021-10-21T07:22:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to 22.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/12b315484d1a...56156a1f08b0
942021-10-21T07:22:21 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/22.x e959b46 fanquake: build: explicitly disable libsecp256k1 openssl based tests
952021-10-21T07:22:21 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/22.x 56156a1 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23315: [22.x] build: explicitly disable libsecp256k1...
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982021-10-21T07:22:38 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23315: [22.x] build: explicitly disable libsecp256k1 openssl based tests (22.x...22_x_disable_libsecp256k1_openssl_tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23315
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1052021-10-21T08:00:33 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c53e95f22cc2...3e3f53c77e73
1062021-10-21T08:00:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa44406 MarcoFalke: ci: Disable syscall sandbox in valgrind functional tests
1072021-10-21T08:00:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3e3f53c MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23328: ci: Disable syscall sandbox in valgrind funct...
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1102021-10-21T08:00:49 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23328: ci: Disable syscall sandbox in valgrind functional tests (master...2110-ciValSan) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23328
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1142021-10-21T08:08:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 130ee48 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: get and decode tx with a single `gettransaction` RPC call
1152021-10-21T08:08:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9aa4ddb MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23287: test: get and decode tx with a single `gettra...
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1182021-10-21T08:08:33 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23287: test: get and decode tx with a single `gettransaction` RPC call (master...202110-test-fetch_and_decode_tx_with_single_RPC_call) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23287
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1242021-10-21T08:15:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4ac8c89 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: check that bumpfee RPC fails for txs with descendants in mempool
1252021-10-21T08:15:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 548ad5e MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23281: test: check that bumpfee RPC fails for txs wi...
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1282021-10-21T08:16:09 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23281: test: check that bumpfee RPC fails for txs with descendants in mempool (master...202110-test-bumpfee_test_descendant_in_mempool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23281
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1342021-10-21T08:22:54 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b7884dd brunoerg: test: bip125-replaceable in listsinceblock
1352021-10-21T08:22:54 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 88fc795 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23267: test: bip125-replaceable in listsinceblock
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1522021-10-21T09:16:02 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23331: test: Replace log with assert_equal in wallet_abandonconflict (master...2110-testAssert) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23331
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1782021-10-21T13:37:22 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23332: doc: Fix CWalletTx::Confirmation doc (master...2110-docWalletConfirm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23332
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1832021-10-21T14:31:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #23333: wallet: fix segfault by avoiding invalid default-ctored `external_spk_managers` entry (master...202110-wallet-fix_getwalletinfo_segfault_after_importing_descriptor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23333
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1912021-10-21T15:43:04 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/88fc7950f8db...ee1294f155a4
1922021-10-21T15:43:04 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 96f469f Jon Atack: netinfo: print peer counts for all reachable networks
1932021-10-21T15:43:04 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ee1294f W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23324: Print peer counts for all reachable networks ...
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1962021-10-21T15:45:39 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #23324: Print peer counts for all reachable networks in -netinfo (master...netinfo-print-peer-counts-for-all-reachable-networks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23324
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2072021-10-21T17:30:46 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ee1294f155a4...f41aa81c996f
2082021-10-21T17:30:46 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master be7f413 =: Fix K1/K2 use in the comments in ChaCha20-Poly1305 AEAD
2092021-10-21T17:30:46 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f41aa81 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23271: crypto: Fix K1/K2 use in the comments in ChaC...
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2122021-10-21T17:31:03 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #23271: crypto: Fix K1/K2 use in the comments in ChaCha20-Poly1305 AEAD (master...fix-k1-k2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23271
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2232021-10-21T17:45:14 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f41aa81c996f...8a083bc5b57f
2242021-10-21T17:45:14 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fadf118 MarcoFalke: p2p: Use mocktime for ping timeout
2252021-10-21T17:45:14 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8a083bc W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23218: p2p: Use mocktime for ping timeout
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2292021-10-21T17:45:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #23218: p2p: Use mocktime for ping timeout (master...2110-mockPingTime) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23218
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2322021-10-21T17:59:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8a083bc5b57f...179ce098333b
2332021-10-21T17:59:24 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1946af2 Kennan Mell: Add comment to COIN constant.
2342021-10-21T17:59:24 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 179ce09 W. J. van der Laan: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23293: doc: Add comment to COIN constant.
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2372021-10-21T17:59:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #23293: doc: Add comment to COIN constant (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23293
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2442021-10-21T19:01:22 <hebasto> meeting?
2452021-10-21T19:02:16 <josibake> +1
2462021-10-21T19:02:21 <michaelfolkson> Don't think my proposed meeting topics have been picked up on https://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt
2472021-10-21T19:02:33 <michaelfolkson> Ah I think gnusha was down, that may be it
2482021-10-21T19:03:32 <michaelfolkson> You here laanwj?
2492021-10-21T19:04:14 <meshcollider> <michaelfolkson> #proposedmeetingtopic Encouraging people to propose meeting topics for the weekly IRC Core dev meetings
2502021-10-21T19:04:14 <meshcollider> <michaelfolkson> #proposedmeetingtopic Attempting to transition to full RBF over multiple major versions
2512021-10-21T19:04:24 <laanwj> #startmetting
2522021-10-21T19:04:27 <jonasschnelli> hi
2532021-10-21T19:04:29 <laanwj> #startmeeting
2542021-10-21T19:04:31 <meshcollider> hi
2552021-10-21T19:04:33 <sipa> hi
2562021-10-21T19:04:35 <cfields> hi
2572021-10-21T19:04:35 <hebasto> hi
2582021-10-21T19:04:36 <michaelfolkson> hi
2592021-10-21T19:04:38 <kvaciral[m]> hi
2602021-10-21T19:04:48 <ariard> hi
2612021-10-21T19:04:49 <jonatack> hi
2622021-10-21T19:04:54 <lightlike> hi
2632021-10-21T19:04:58 <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos
2642021-10-21T19:05:00 <laanwj> nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
2652021-10-21T19:05:10 <achow101> hi
2662021-10-21T19:05:11 <jamesob> hi
2672021-10-21T19:05:12 <jonasschnelli> #proposedmeetingtopic some personal information from myside
2682021-10-21T19:05:24 <josibake> hi
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2702021-10-21T19:05:44 <sipa> #proposedmeetingtopic: 23306 proposes (and is a first step towards) getting rid of the prefer-port-8333 policy on the network
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2732021-10-21T19:06:45 <laanwj> other proposed meeting topics: tag 0.20.3-final (fanquake) Encouraging people to propose meeting topics for the weekly IRC Core dev meetings (michaelfolkson) Attempting to transition to full RBF over multiple major versions (michaelfolkson)
2742021-10-21T19:07:25 <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
2752021-10-21T19:07:33 <fjahr> hi
2762021-10-21T19:07:41 <michaelfolkson> Mine aren't urgent and can be pushed to another week
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2802021-10-21T19:08:05 <laanwj> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 has 10 blockers, 1 chasing concept ACK
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2832021-10-21T19:08:39 <laanwj> anything to add/remove, that is ready for review, or that you'd like to give an update on?
2842021-10-21T19:09:27 <meshcollider> I'd quite like to have #16807 on there
2852021-10-21T19:09:29 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16807 | Let validateaddress locate error in Bech32 address by meshcollider · Pull Request #16807 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2862021-10-21T19:10:18 <ariard> maybe either #22674 or #23121, i think the former is more ready
2872021-10-21T19:10:20 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22674 | validation: mempool validation and submission for packages of 1 child + parents by glozow · Pull Request #22674 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2882021-10-21T19:10:21 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23121 | [policy] check ancestor feerate in RBF, remove BIP125 Rule2 by glozow · Pull Request #23121 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2892021-10-21T19:10:27 <laanwj> meshcollider: added
2902021-10-21T19:10:33 <meshcollider> Thanks!
2912021-10-21T19:11:09 <laanwj> ariard: i don't have an opinion which one, maybe someone else has
2922021-10-21T19:11:25 <ariard> yeah if glozow is around :)
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2942021-10-21T19:12:03 <cfields> just a quick note: #23114 (minisketch integration, already listed as hi prio) is ~ready, but also requires review of minisketch itself. So... review beg for minisketch itself as well :)
2952021-10-21T19:12:05 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23114 | Add minisketch subtree and integrate into build/test by fanquake · Pull Request #23114 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2962021-10-21T19:12:17 <sipa> ACK minisketch!
2972021-10-21T19:12:19 * sipa hdies
2982021-10-21T19:12:27 <sipa> *hides
2992021-10-21T19:12:43 <josibake> reading that as sip dies was much more dramatic
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3012021-10-21T19:13:18 <michaelfolkson> Definite ACK for Minisketch. You mean on the Core PR cfields?
3022021-10-21T19:13:52 <sipa> i meant mine as: i'm obviously ack on the minisketch code itself, but i doubt it counts for much
3032021-10-21T19:14:01 <michaelfolkson> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23114
3042021-10-21T19:14:06 <cfields> michaelfolkson: I mean the minisketch impl itself also needs review, not just the concept of merging it into core.
3052021-10-21T19:14:23 <laanwj> ariard: ok, added #22674 as it is more clearly a blocker for further work
3062021-10-21T19:14:24 <michaelfolkson> So that is reviewing the Minisketch repo rather than a particular PR?
3072021-10-21T19:14:25 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22674 | validation: mempool validation and submission for packages of 1 child + parents by glozow · Pull Request #22674 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3082021-10-21T19:14:53 <michaelfolkson> That's great that the Minisketch build stuff is ~ready
3092021-10-21T19:15:07 <laanwj> i'll have a look at the minisketch impl
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3112021-10-21T19:15:31 <michaelfolkson> Repo: https://github.com/sipa/minisketch
3122021-10-21T19:16:11 <sipa> FWIW, there have been two review clubs on the minisketch algorithm and code; https://bitcoincore.reviews/minisketch-26-2 and https://bitcoincore.reviews/minisketch
3132021-10-21T19:16:51 <laanwj> neat
3142021-10-21T19:17:03 <cfields> sipa: ah, thanks, good to know. I missed those.
3152021-10-21T19:17:22 <cfields> anyway, didn't mean to turn it into a topic, just a quick note.
3162021-10-21T19:17:28 <michaelfolkson> And post those reviews of the repo generally on #23114
3172021-10-21T19:17:30 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23114 | Add minisketch subtree and integrate into build/test by fanquake · Pull Request #23114 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3182021-10-21T19:18:07 <sipa> oh, there were three; https://bitcoincore.reviews/minisketch-26 too
3192021-10-21T19:18:31 <laanwj> haah
3202021-10-21T19:18:38 <jonatack> those were really interesting review clubs. i recall testing and reviewing minisketch, will return to it
3212021-10-21T19:19:06 <laanwj> so it's not exactly that it had a lack of review
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3232021-10-21T19:19:11 <ariard> yeah i read the paper a while back https://eprint.iacr.org/2003/235.pdf, it was fun
3242021-10-21T19:20:00 <sipa> regarding testing, there are exhaustive tests for various small fields (smaller than the one we'd use, but most code is shared across)
3252021-10-21T19:20:11 <cfields> heh, ok, review beg retracted. I was just responding to a few "reviewed the integration but not the impl" on that PR, but apparently review has been happening too :)
3262021-10-21T19:20:28 <michaelfolkson> cfields: A few months ago :)
3272021-10-21T19:21:00 <laanwj> cfields: it wasn't entirely clear to me either so it's good to have brought it up imo
3282021-10-21T19:21:10 <michaelfolkson> +1
3292021-10-21T19:21:50 <laanwj> #topic Some personal information from myside (jonasschnelli)
3302021-10-21T19:22:01 <jonasschnelli> As most of you have probably recognized, I was pretty inactive during the last months
3312021-10-21T19:22:12 <jonasschnelli> Today, I'd like to inform you that I will step down as maintainer and contributor
3322021-10-21T19:22:20 <sipa> jonasschnelli: sad to see you go
3332021-10-21T19:22:20 <cfields> :(
3342021-10-21T19:22:21 <jonasschnelli> I will remove my committer rights immediately
3352021-10-21T19:22:35 <laanwj> hope you'll be back some day!
3362021-10-21T19:22:40 <jonasschnelli> The reasons are mostly a shift in interest as well as rising legal risks (it wasn't you :)
3372021-10-21T19:22:40 <laanwj> but i get it
3382021-10-21T19:23:08 <jonasschnelli> and who know,... i might come back later down the road.
3392021-10-21T19:23:09 <cfields> jonasschnelli: hope everything's ok. there will always room for you here :)
3402021-10-21T19:23:12 <jamesob> Sad to see you go jonasschnelli but enjoy what other things life has to offer
3412021-10-21T19:23:17 <jamesob> Come back anytime :)
3422021-10-21T19:23:27 <sipa> and of course, good luck on wherever your path may lead
3432021-10-21T19:23:34 <jonasschnelli> thanks all.
3442021-10-21T19:23:35 <jonasschnelli> As for the macOS signing keys, I think either achow or fanquake would be a good fit
3452021-10-21T19:23:36 <hebasto> come back soon :)
3462021-10-21T19:23:54 <luke-jr> aren't the signing keys held by a corporate entity?
3472021-10-21T19:24:03 <laanwj> yes,good luck in whatever else you're going to do
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3492021-10-21T19:24:21 <jonasschnelli> luke-jr: legaly yes,.. but technically someone needs to sign it
3502021-10-21T19:24:24 <jonasschnelli> Iâll remain the legal âpresidentâ of the âBitcoin Core Code Signing Associationâ in Switzerland (the construct for getting code sign certificates, currently active for macOS but only a backup for the Delaware LLC that holds the win certificate)
3512021-10-21T19:24:44 <jonasschnelli> Off course, Iâll stick around here and can help where requested.
3522021-10-21T19:24:59 <jonatack> sad to hear that but understandable...i hope you'll be catching some waves and enjoying life
3532021-10-21T19:25:19 <cfields> jonasschnelli: also, thanks for being responsible and being willing to revoke your own access. much appreciated.
3542021-10-21T19:25:30 <laanwj> jonatack: that's good to hear
3552021-10-21T19:25:31 <jonasschnelli> sure things!
3562021-10-21T19:25:33 <laanwj> cfields: +1
3572021-10-21T19:26:03 <sipa> indeed
3582021-10-21T19:26:26 <jonasschnelli> If someone likes to continue bitcoinbuilds.org, please DM me (server costs are covered)
3592021-10-21T19:26:34 <meshcollider> Thanks for all your work over the years jonasschnelli! Best of luck for whatever comes next for you :)
3602021-10-21T19:26:40 <jonasschnelli> thanks meshcollider!
3612021-10-21T19:26:52 <achow101> sad to see you go, and good luck with whatever else you decide to do
3622021-10-21T19:27:00 <michaelfolkson> +1
3632021-10-21T19:27:03 <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: does it need much babysitting?
3642021-10-21T19:27:22 <jonasschnelli> luke-jr: yes... it need some tweaking (and some love)
3652021-10-21T19:27:37 <ariard> Yeah thanks for the numerous years of hard work, hope you'll be back
3662021-10-21T19:27:42 <achow101> in terms of the macOS code signing key, I can take that over if everyone feels that isn't too centralizing
3672021-10-21T19:27:49 <laanwj> jonasschnelli: re if no one else does it i'm ok with doing it
3682021-10-21T19:27:56 <achow101> I can also get one issued to the Delaware LLC
3692021-10-21T19:27:56 <laanwj> +bitcoinbuilds
3702021-10-21T19:28:07 <luke-jr> achow101: we shouldn't be putting trust in these keys either way *shrug*
3712021-10-21T19:28:08 <josibake> echoing everyone else, thank your for your contributions and best of luck in whatever you do next
3722021-10-21T19:28:12 <luke-jr> laanwj: thanks
3732021-10-21T19:28:22 <josibake> thank you*
3742021-10-21T19:28:32 <jonasschnelli> laanwj: great to hear. It's quite a mess and someone really loving shell scipts and virtualization should tackle it
3752021-10-21T19:28:44 <fjahr> jonasschnelli: thank you also from me for all the things already mentioned!
3762021-10-21T19:30:13 <laanwj> #topic Getting rid of the prefer-port-8333 policy (sipa)
3772021-10-21T19:30:51 <sipa> just a very short topic
3782021-10-21T19:30:53 <laanwj> [#23306 proposes (and is a first step towards) getting rid of the prefer-port-8333 policy on the network]
3792021-10-21T19:30:54 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23306 | Make AddrMan support multiple ports per IP by sipa · Pull Request #23306 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3802021-10-21T19:31:13 <sipa> it's all in the PR, i just wanted to make sure people saw
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3822021-10-21T19:31:28 <laanwj> will check it out!
3832021-10-21T19:31:34 <sipa> as it's a potentially far-reaching policy change (the PR doesn't actually change the policy, but it's a preparation for it)
3842021-10-21T19:31:34 <jonatack> +1
3852021-10-21T19:32:20 <sipa> unless someone has questions/comments, that's it for my topic
3862021-10-21T19:32:23 <laanwj> concept ack anyhow
3872021-10-21T19:33:11 <michaelfolkson> I would guess there are some lazy habits where 8333 is etched into people's minds.
3882021-10-21T19:33:30 <michaelfolkson> But not a strong rationale for not changing that
3892021-10-21T19:33:47 <laanwj> i'll skip fanquake's topic as i think he meant 0.20.2, and that already happened Oct 18
3902021-10-21T19:34:13 <fanquake> yes Iâve made that tag already
3912021-10-21T19:34:32 <fanquake> weâve had a few signed builders for 0.20.2 as well
3922021-10-21T19:34:51 <laanwj> i also built it but not uploaded sigs yet, will do
3932021-10-21T19:35:40 <laanwj> #topic Encouraging people to propose meeting topics for the weekly IRC Core dev meetings (michaelfolkson)
3942021-10-21T19:35:53 <fanquake> jonasschnelli: ! Hope you are doing ok, and maybe back to Core dev some day.
3952021-10-21T19:36:36 <josibake> are there any existing guidelines for what a "good" topic is?
3962021-10-21T19:36:38 <michaelfolkson> Ok very short one. Just to encourage people to propose meeting topics for this meeting. The number of topics have been pretty sparse in recent weeks/months and it is much better to have too many than next to none
3972021-10-21T19:36:56 <michaelfolkson> We can always push non-urgent to future weeks
3982021-10-21T19:37:15 <michaelfolkson> josibake: No but that sounds like a good idea
3992021-10-21T19:37:40 <michaelfolkson> It can be a PR though or a mini Core project though (imo)
4002021-10-21T19:37:55 <michaelfolkson> There is the Core PR review club too of course
4012021-10-21T19:38:00 <laanwj> josibake: dunno, you know you can always just ask in the channel
4022021-10-21T19:38:23 <michaelfolkson> And we are doing an online livestreamed session on AssumeUTXO
4032021-10-21T19:38:42 <laanwj> if it's relevant to current development in the repository and there's people willing to talk about it it's a good topic, that's pretty wide
4042021-10-21T19:38:52 <sipa> i like having short meetings tbh
4052021-10-21T19:39:06 <michaelfolkson> You can leave early though sipa :)
4062021-10-21T19:39:18 <sipa> i mean: we don't need to fill meetings because meetings should be filled
4072021-10-21T19:39:18 *** Kaizen_Kintsugi <Kaizen_Kintsugi!~Kaizen_Ki@node-1w7jr9yi65te55mxt1kkm1n0k.ipv6.telus.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
4082021-10-21T19:39:27 <michaelfolkson> The P2P ones have effectively been cancelled
4092021-10-21T19:39:28 <sipa> sure, if there is a topic, let's discuss it
4102021-10-21T19:39:30 <josibake> laanwj: thanks
4112021-10-21T19:39:41 <ariard> michaelfolkson: some people are attending multiple meetings, lightning, etc, short meetings are good :)
4122021-10-21T19:39:56 <michaelfolkson> I guess but people can leave if they aren't interested in the topic
4132021-10-21T19:40:09 <laanwj> i like short meetings but also, it's good if the time available is used in a productive way
4142021-10-21T19:40:42 <laanwj> if it ends with "high priority for review" every time it's also a bit demotivating
4152021-10-21T19:40:49 <jamesob> yeah, agree
4162021-10-21T19:40:54 <michaelfolkson> Just a thought that there are avenues for getting more review on your PR if you are frustrated (which imo includes this meeting)
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4182021-10-21T19:41:06 <jamesob> I'm going to go on a tirade about nits at some point, so I'll queue that up for a future meeting :)
4192021-10-21T19:41:15 <laanwj> hehh
4202021-10-21T19:41:18 <michaelfolkson> PR review nits?
4212021-10-21T19:41:21 <jamesob> yes
4222021-10-21T19:41:29 <michaelfolkson> The TL;DR?
4232021-10-21T19:41:41 <laanwj> i mean some things you acn also bring up outside meeting, not everything needs to be in the meeting
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4262021-10-21T19:41:50 <laanwj> just depends
4272021-10-21T19:41:59 <jamesob> ugh I don't know. They can just be really demotivating and distracting, but I need to collect my thoughts and figure out if I have any actually-actionable things to say
4282021-10-21T19:42:07 <michaelfolkson> Ok
4292021-10-21T19:42:07 <laanwj> any cast this gets veeeery meta
4302021-10-21T19:42:09 <jamesob> it was 40% a joke
4312021-10-21T19:42:27 <michaelfolkson> Haha ok next topic (as we've got ariard here and he doesn't like meetings)
4322021-10-21T19:42:44 <michaelfolkson> Let's cover the full RBF topic
4332021-10-21T19:42:56 <laanwj> #topic Attempting to transition to full RBF over multiple major versions (michaelfolkson)
4342021-10-21T19:43:17 <laanwj> jamesob: 40% joke is the best approach to things
4352021-10-21T19:43:21 <jamesob> lol
4362021-10-21T19:43:24 <ariard> ahah
4372021-10-21T19:43:48 <michaelfolkson> Ok I'm happy to pass this over to ariard but he previously posted this to the mailing list https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-June/019074.html
4382021-10-21T19:44:07 <luke-jr> how about just stop trying to dictate to users what policies they can or can't use? <.<
4392021-10-21T19:44:16 <jonatack> jamesob: (i see nits ideally as suggested lightly, and up to the author and that's, that really)
4402021-10-21T19:44:41 <michaelfolkson> luke-jr: Core has to pick a default
4412021-10-21T19:44:50 <laanwj> luke-jr: i understood that's the idea with full RBF, it drops a fair amount of policy restrictions
4422021-10-21T19:44:50 <ariard> luke-jr: if you mean simplifying our policy, this proposal is going in that sense ? but ultimately we *do* have to pickup defaults and they're free of implications
4432021-10-21T19:44:53 <luke-jr> michaelfolkson: not really; and right now, Core is forcing its "default" on users
4442021-10-21T19:44:59 <sipa> my view is generally: come up with an actual workable and worked-out policy, and propose it - beyond that it seems like a ML discussion primarily
4452021-10-21T19:45:48 <laanwj> you can't really get rid of policy entirely because we need it for anti-DoS etc
4462021-10-21T19:46:00 <sipa> at a very high level, i'm concept ack - i think it's inevitable long term that the network will tend to more rational policies, and full RBF is a step towards that
4472021-10-21T19:46:04 <luke-jr> Knots has configurable RBF, and I'm happy to re-open the Core PR if people are willing to accept/review it
4482021-10-21T19:46:05 <michaelfolkson> sipa: It has been proposed by ariard. And I think he's right to attempt a roadmap for changing it
4492021-10-21T19:46:07 <sipa> but it all depends on the details
4502021-10-21T19:46:11 <ariard> michaelfolkson: do you have a link towards achow101 BerkeleyDB deprecation plan you were mentioning offline last week ?
4512021-10-21T19:46:16 <sipa> michaelfolkson: i don't see a concrete policy, but i may have missed it
4522021-10-21T19:46:28 <sipa> "full RBF" isn't a policy, it's an aspiration :)
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4542021-10-21T19:46:46 <achow101> ariard: #20160
4552021-10-21T19:46:47 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20160 | Proposed Timeline for Legacy Wallet and BDB removal · Issue #20160 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4562021-10-21T19:46:57 <michaelfolkson> Right ^
4572021-10-21T19:47:39 <michaelfolkson> I think a similar roadmap could be attempted for full RBF by default (though I hadn't considered configurable option)
4582021-10-21T19:47:39 <ariard> achow101: thanks, i'll look at it and see how to adapt for full-rbf, i'll open a PR soon with config knob full-rbf=false
4592021-10-21T19:47:48 <luke-jr> https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/tree/fullrbf
4602021-10-21T19:47:51 <laanwj> ariard: +1
4612021-10-21T19:47:55 <michaelfolkson> There still has to be a default even with configurable option
4622021-10-21T19:47:58 <luke-jr> ariard: ^
4632021-10-21T19:48:15 <luke-jr> ariard: the code already exists, just a matter of people accepting/reviewing it for Core
4642021-10-21T19:48:22 <sipa> i have some thoughts, but i'll respond on the ML
4652021-10-21T19:48:30 <ariard> luke-jr: for now, i'll only to propose a config knob with full-rbf=false, i don't think you can configure that for now ?
4662021-10-21T19:48:48 <michaelfolkson> There will be some business opposition but if we think long term this is the right thing to do we should attempt to change it over multiple versions giving people plenty of advance warning
4672021-10-21T19:48:50 <luke-jr> ariard: yes, that's one of the 3 configurations in that branch/Knots
4682021-10-21T19:49:02 <laanwj> having a config know for it in core at all is a start
4692021-10-21T19:49:13 <laanwj> changing the default is much further away
4702021-10-21T19:49:25 <laanwj> and probably much more controversial
4712021-10-21T19:49:38 <luke-jr> mempoolreplacement=none / fee,optin / fee,-optin
4722021-10-21T19:49:46 <josibake> laanwj:+1 just adding it as a config option shouldn't be controversial, right?
4732021-10-21T19:49:54 <ariard> yes i'm still worried about the Dos against multi-party funding transactions but we have years ahead before i think it starts to be a real issue
4742021-10-21T19:49:54 <luke-jr> josibake: it was last time I tried
4752021-10-21T19:49:59 <laanwj> josibake: not to me at least, given how many people want this
4762021-10-21T19:50:12 <michaelfolkson> Right, there will be some opposition. I have tried speaking to some Lightning businesses to understand their use of Lightning zero conf channels
4772021-10-21T19:50:20 <laanwj> luke-jr: when was that? 2015?
4782021-10-21T19:50:28 <luke-jr> laanwj: probably
4792021-10-21T19:50:34 <ariard> luke-jr: ah okay for the branch, gonna look
4802021-10-21T19:50:50 <michaelfolkson> Maybe last words but I think that was wrapped up in the block size drama. I am hoping a long(ish) term plan this time around will be less controversial
4812021-10-21T19:51:32 <michaelfolkson> But we'll see. I think we should attempt this long term (over multiple major versions) transition to full RBF
4822021-10-21T19:51:40 <laanwj> luke-jr: it does seem attitudes changed a bit since then
4832021-10-21T19:51:41 <michaelfolkson> It may fail
4842021-10-21T19:51:41 <luke-jr> ariard: just pushed the latest rebase (Oct 8th)
4852021-10-21T19:51:47 <luke-jr> laanwj: great
4862021-10-21T19:51:49 <ariard> michaelfolkson: though i've been reached out privately by a exchange operator disagreeing with full-rbf after posting on the ML
4872021-10-21T19:52:11 <cfields> ariard: suggest they respond publicly :)
4882021-10-21T19:52:24 <sipa> +1
4892021-10-21T19:52:29 <michaelfolkson> Right, I think the discussion should be out in the open
4902021-10-21T19:52:47 <michaelfolkson> If people really don't want it then the attempt may fail
4912021-10-21T19:53:00 <ariard> cfields: yeah will ping them back once PR is open!
4922021-10-21T19:53:02 <michaelfolkson> Or at least summarize their arguments ariard
4932021-10-21T19:53:14 <cfields> ariard: great, thanks!
4942021-10-21T19:53:14 <michaelfolkson> We don't need to know who it is if they want to stay anonymous
4952021-10-21T19:53:23 <luke-jr> michaelfolkson: eh? it's not a consensus change
4962021-10-21T19:53:46 <luke-jr> anyone can run full RBF today if they want to. or block RBF entirely if they prefer that.
4972021-10-21T19:54:10 <michaelfolkson> luke-jr: Right but we should still consult? If people really don't want it?
4982021-10-21T19:54:19 <michaelfolkson> At least collect those arguments
4992021-10-21T19:54:22 <luke-jr> michaelfolkson: if people don't want it, they can just not enable it..
5002021-10-21T19:54:30 <laanwj> right, but it's good to give people time to adapt to it at least before changing the default
5012021-10-21T19:54:32 <sipa> luke-jr: i don't think that's a useful response
5022021-10-21T19:54:45 <sipa> luke-jr: in their mind - for good or bad reasons - the problem is others enabling it
5032021-10-21T19:54:48 <sipa> (presumably)
5042021-10-21T19:54:56 <luke-jr> sipa: but they have no say over what other people do
5052021-10-21T19:55:04 <michaelfolkson> I think generally if we expect opposition/controversy it is good to reach out
5062021-10-21T19:55:16 <michaelfolkson> Even if it isn't consensus change
5072021-10-21T19:55:20 <laanwj> no, they don't, but a default change would not be something done lightly
5082021-10-21T19:55:23 <sipa> luke-jr: which is much easier to address publicly :)
5092021-10-21T19:55:59 <luke-jr> laanwj: perhaps, but that's down the road past just an option ;)
5102021-10-21T19:56:07 <laanwj> clearly for your own nodes you can run with whatever policy you want
5112021-10-21T19:56:16 <michaelfolkson> Also whether we like it or not we are going to have to consider policy more seriously because of Lightning and higher levels
5122021-10-21T19:56:21 <laanwj> and i definitely expect miners to start acting rationally in this regard
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5142021-10-21T19:56:22 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23334: fuzz: Descriptor wallet (master...2110-fuzzWall) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23334
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5162021-10-21T19:56:41 <luke-jr> michaelfolkson: anything that depends on policy for security, is broken by design
5172021-10-21T19:56:43 <sipa> laanwj: yeah, it may take a few halvings, though
5182021-10-21T19:57:08 <laanwj> i mean, it's not something you can just post a rant against on the mailing list then ignore
5192021-10-21T19:57:19 <michaelfolkson> luke-jr: It isn't optimal sure. But I still think having Lightning ecosystem is better than ignoring it
5202021-10-21T19:57:30 <luke-jr> michaelfolkson: Lightning shouldn't depend on policy
5212021-10-21T19:57:34 <michaelfolkson> But anyway, let's move it to GitHub issue an mailing list
5222021-10-21T19:57:41 <michaelfolkson> luke-jr: But it does!
5232021-10-21T19:57:49 <luke-jr> last I heard, quite a few nodes and miners already use full RBF for years
5242021-10-21T19:58:03 <luke-jr> michaelfolkson: they should fix it then, regardless of this discussion
5252021-10-21T19:58:04 <michaelfolkson> It is suboptimal but the best we can do currently for Lightning design
5262021-10-21T19:58:05 <sipa> i feel like this is a bit like the Linux mantra "don't break userspace"; userspace may be depending on un-guaranteed behavior for dumb/bad reasons, but that doesn't mean you can just go and break it
5272021-10-21T19:58:06 <ariard> luke-jr: can you make the expectation that the most economically-rational policy is going to be run in majority over the p2p network ?
5282021-10-21T19:58:37 <luke-jr> ariard: no
5292021-10-21T19:58:40 <laanwj> i'd prefer to leave it at adding an option for now as well
5302021-10-21T19:58:45 <laanwj> 1 minute to go
5312021-10-21T19:58:49 <michaelfolkson> Ok we should wrap up. Want to respect people's time
5322021-10-21T19:58:58 <michaelfolkson> Thanks
5332021-10-21T19:58:59 <laanwj> michaelfolkson: please leave time management to me
5342021-10-21T19:59:06 <michaelfolkson> Sorry :)
5352021-10-21T19:59:34 <laanwj> but you're right anyhow
5362021-10-21T19:59:49 <laanwj> #endmeeting
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5382021-10-21T20:00:54 <jonasschnelli> (and yes, happy to shared the tweaked code of the meeting irc bot)
5392021-10-21T20:01:14 <luke-jr> ariard: anyone can start mining (in theory), so to expect *some* miners to have such a policy may be reasonable
5402021-10-21T20:01:21 <laanwj> jonasschnelli: you run the meetings irc bot?
5412021-10-21T20:01:24 <jonasschnelli> fanquake: Thanks. All good here. No drama or so. Just time to move on.
5422021-10-21T20:01:31 <jonasschnelli> laanwj: yes. But looks like its down
5432021-10-21T20:01:45 <ariard> (btw if you have coredev travel reimbursements applications to submit, please send then on my mail antoine.riard@gmail.com)
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5452021-10-21T20:02:07 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/179ce098333b...12ff8993bcc7
5462021-10-21T20:02:07 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa6c62f MarcoFalke: test: Replace log with assert_equal in wallet_abandonconflict
5472021-10-21T20:02:07 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 12ff899 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23331: test: Replace log with assert_equal in wallet...
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5512021-10-21T20:02:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #23331: test: Replace log with assert_equal in wallet_abandonconflict (master...2110-testAssert) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23331
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5532021-10-21T20:02:58 <cfields> sipa: sorry if I implied that minisketch was desperate for review btw. clearly just a case of me being out of the loop for a while.
5542021-10-21T20:03:02 <jonasschnelli> laanwj: it's a modified version of supybot.plugins.MeetBot from debian I think
5552021-10-21T20:04:44 <ariard> luke-jr: i got a point that users might be willingly to adopt a more privacy-preserving policy, and it might at odd with an economically-rational one (though hopefully not!)
5562021-10-21T20:05:25 <ariard> it has been discussed multiple times on the Lightning side to have LN nodes connecting directly to few miners, but i'm still meeeeh on the censorship-resistance of that
5572021-10-21T20:06:36 <laanwj> cfields: it can always use more review :)
5582021-10-21T20:07:45 <luke-jr> ariard: btw, should I open the fullrbf branch as a PR?
5592021-10-21T20:08:47 <laanwj> jonasschnelli: thanks; i know very little about existing IRC bot projects tbh, but it was kind of useful, and we should probably keep it going
5602021-10-21T20:09:01 <fanquake> Also, in regard to the macOS signing keys, fwiw I also currently have access to the Apple developer account that is associated with those keys
5612021-10-21T20:09:14 <luke-jr> (bleh, looks like it needs another rebase)
5622021-10-21T20:09:56 <jonasschnelli> fanquake: great. I think you should keep that. You can't download the private key from there (but create a new one AFAIK).
5632021-10-21T20:10:33 <jonasschnelli> happy to hand over the key to either you or achow101 (depending on how you all think how we should do it)
5642021-10-21T20:11:11 <achow101> it's a shared developer account?
5652021-10-21T20:11:22 <jonasschnelli> it can have multiple accounts/roles
5662021-10-21T20:14:37 <glozow> oh no i missed the meeting ð
thanks ariard laanwj, #22674 is my top priority as well
5672021-10-21T20:14:39 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22674 | validation: mempool validation and submission for packages of 1 child + parents by glozow · Pull Request #22674 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5682021-10-21T20:16:10 <sipa> cfields: no worries
5692021-10-21T20:16:57 <achow101> it'd definitely be easier if we had just one code signer
5702021-10-21T20:19:45 <ariard> luke-jr: i have time for doing it in the coming weeks, wanna observed first the deprecation plan from #20160 and explain at best the impact of opt-in RBF on upper layers
5712021-10-21T20:19:45 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20160 | Proposed Timeline for Legacy Wallet and BDB removal · Issue #20160 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5722021-10-21T20:19:47 <laanwj> glozow: thanks, glad we picked the right one :)
5732021-10-21T20:20:03 <glozow> :)
5742021-10-21T20:20:55 <sipa> i don't really see why deprecation of BDB has to do with a network policy change
5752021-10-21T20:21:09 * luke-jr either âº
5762021-10-21T20:21:24 <achow101> I think it's just for the roadmap format
5772021-10-21T20:21:46 <cfields> heh, I was also wondering what I was missing.
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5792021-10-21T20:26:23 <laanwj> just the idea of a very long term roadmap i guess
5802021-10-21T20:27:49 <ariard> sipa: afaik we don't have that much guidelines to propose potentially-impactful network policy change, though see that conv https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-September/019400.html on sequence lock upgrades defect where it was raised what it could looks like
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5942021-10-21T21:51:29 <Guest39> hello friends
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5972021-10-21T21:57:29 <Guest39> is satoshi nakamoto alive
5982021-10-21T21:57:46 <Guest39> i want to know this
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6062021-10-21T22:39:12 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] joankaradimov opened pull request #23335: Include a missing header (master...include-missing-header) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23335
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