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1542021-11-04T14:52:43 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23438: Use spans of std::byte in serialize (master...2105-uin8t) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23438
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1972021-11-04T17:31:34 <yanmaani> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1223 what's going on with this PR
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1992021-11-04T17:31:54 <yanmaani> why are there comments older than the PR
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2012021-11-04T17:33:12 <yanmaani> did he just select 2 random branches, hit the PR button, and then write some stuff in the box?
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2032021-11-04T17:41:14 <michaelfolkson> yanmaani: I don't know what he did specifically but it has happened before too during the Taproot activation param discussion (I think that was due to comments on a private PR that was made public). You can't rely on the GitHub timestamping
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2052021-11-04T17:43:50 <michaelfolkson> If timestamps are important we should probably be using OpenTimestamps
2062021-11-04T17:44:06 <luke-jr> maybe comments made on the commits before the PR was opened?
2072021-11-04T17:44:31 <michaelfolkson> Yeah maybe
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2102021-11-04T17:57:03 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] martinus opened pull request #23439: Open streams_test_tmp file in temporary folder (master...2021-11-allow-concurrent-streams_buffered_file_rand) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23439
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2192021-11-04T19:00:19 <laanwj> #startmeeting
2202021-11-04T19:00:19 <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 4 19:00:18 2021 UTC. The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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2222021-11-04T19:00:32 <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball
2232021-11-04T19:00:34 <laanwj> morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
2242021-11-04T19:00:43 <jonatack> hi
2252021-11-04T19:00:52 <ariard> hi
2262021-11-04T19:00:56 <jarolrod> Hi
2272021-11-04T19:01:02 <kvaciral[m]> hi
2282021-11-04T19:01:13 <michaelfolkson> hi
2292021-11-04T19:01:22 <laanwj> no pre-proposed meeting topics for this week, anyone who would like to discuss anything?
2302021-11-04T19:02:14 <laanwj> for example what they're working on
2312021-11-04T19:02:26 <glozow> hi
2322021-11-04T19:02:27 <achow101> Hi
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2342021-11-04T19:02:41 <sipa> hi
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2362021-11-04T19:02:56 <b10c> hi
2372021-11-04T19:03:06 <sipa> #proposedmeetingtopic andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer
2382021-11-04T19:03:17 <andytoshi> hi
2392021-11-04T19:03:47 <laanwj> let's start with high priority for review as usual
2402021-11-04T19:03:52 <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
2412021-11-04T19:03:52 <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
2422021-11-04T19:04:16 <laanwj> currently https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 11 blockers, 1 chasing concept ACK
2432021-11-04T19:04:32 <laanwj> anything to add, remove, or that is almost ready for merge?
2442021-11-04T19:04:32 <luke-jr> #proposedmeetingtopic reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296
2452021-11-04T19:06:34 <laanwj> none at all?
2462021-11-04T19:06:59 <sipa> lots of people at tabconf right now
2472021-11-04T19:07:17 <laanwj> #topic andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer (sipa)
2482021-11-04T19:07:17 <core-meetingbot> topic: andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer (sipa)
2492021-11-04T19:07:27 <laanwj> sipa: ohh
2502021-11-04T19:07:36 <sipa> i defer to andytoshi :p
2512021-11-04T19:07:47 <andytoshi> hiya -- i opened issue https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/issues/1003 on libsecp with a GPG-signed note
2522021-11-04T19:07:57 <andytoshi> basically saying, i have not been active as a maintainer so i'm rescinding my merge access
2532021-11-04T19:08:00 <andytoshi> i will still be a contributor
2542021-11-04T19:08:18 <andytoshi> basically, no practical change in my involvement in the bitcoin community -- just dropping merge access from this specific repo
2552021-11-04T19:08:46 <andytoshi> as of nov 8, which was an arbitrary "after i've had time to inform everyone, and to avoid the appearence of me being under duress or whatever, but otherwise immediately"
2562021-11-04T19:09:03 <andytoshi> </end>
2572021-11-04T19:09:23 <laanwj> yes, good to drop merge access if you're effectively not using it, good luck in your other projects!
2582021-11-04T19:09:27 <andytoshi> thanks!
2592021-11-04T19:10:26 <laanwj> thanks for letting us know
2602021-11-04T19:10:38 <laanwj> #topic reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296 (luke-jr)
2612021-11-04T19:10:38 <core-meetingbot> topic: reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296 (luke-jr)
2622021-11-04T19:11:01 <luke-jr> looking through actual translations, several of them did in fact make use of the %n feature, so it seems like this was a bad idea resulting in worse translations
2632021-11-04T19:11:22 <laanwj> not sure this makes sense discussing without hebasato present
2642021-11-04T19:11:25 <luke-jr> right
2652021-11-04T19:11:25 <michaelfolkson> Who are the other maintainers of secp256k1 btw?
2662021-11-04T19:11:26 <laanwj> hebasto*
2672021-11-04T19:11:35 <luke-jr> but it would be nice to reach out to the actual translators affected
2682021-11-04T19:11:37 <jarolrod> I canât attest to the quality in the change of the translations
2692021-11-04T19:11:40 <sipa> real_or_random, nickler, me
2702021-11-04T19:11:42 <luke-jr> unfortunately I didn't see a good way to do so
2712021-11-04T19:11:45 <michaelfolkson> sipa: Thanks
2722021-11-04T19:12:00 <jarolrod> But if they were negatively impacted, it would not be controversial to revert
2732021-11-04T19:12:03 <laanwj> i really cannot judge this, i don't know any languages in which this particular change makes a difference
2742021-11-04T19:12:06 <laanwj> right
2752021-11-04T19:12:07 <jarolrod> As it is evidence that it was being used
2762021-11-04T19:12:18 <laanwj> it was being used but was it being used correctly
2772021-11-04T19:12:25 <laanwj> we need someone that knows the language in question
2782021-11-04T19:12:26 <luke-jr> does anyone know a good way to reach the translators of these languages? :/
2792021-11-04T19:12:39 <sipa> which languages are affected?
2802021-11-04T19:12:49 <achow101> transifex has a message function
2812021-11-04T19:12:55 <laanwj> you could send a message on transifex
2822021-11-04T19:12:57 <luke-jr> bg, ca, eo, es_CL, fr, he, hr, pl, ro, sk, sl, sv, szl
2832021-11-04T19:13:00 <luke-jr> achow101: but there's so many
2842021-11-04T19:13:15 <luke-jr> I'd have to message each one individually, and no idea which are active
2852021-11-04T19:13:22 <laanwj> or even a more general wide message to get people to give their opinion on this
2862021-11-04T19:13:37 <luke-jr> hmm, I suppose an announcement could work?
2872021-11-04T19:13:39 <laanwj> yes
2882021-11-04T19:13:49 <lightlike> did native speakers of any of the affected languages confirm that it's needed, and translations are worse now? they are not particularly exotic (e.g. fr, sv)
2892021-11-04T19:14:03 <luke-jr> lightlike: no, that's why I want to reach out âº
2902021-11-04T19:15:00 <luke-jr> should I link this PR in the announcement? or some better way?
2912021-11-04T19:15:15 <luke-jr> I guess translators might not have GitHub
2922021-11-04T19:15:18 <laanwj> you can't assume people on transifex have a github account
2932021-11-04T19:15:29 <luke-jr> hebasto said "Translators can open issues on transifex.com that are associated to the translatable strings."
2942021-11-04T19:15:39 <luke-jr> maybe I can make a tutorial for doing so
2952021-11-04T19:15:49 <laanwj> yes, there is some mechanism for that, not sure how well it works
2962021-11-04T19:16:07 <jarolrod> ^^^^^^ only if it helps with your explanation of what the change was
2972021-11-04T19:16:11 <luke-jr> and this only gets negative feedback - no way to tell if people read the msg
2982021-11-04T19:16:51 <luke-jr> maybe a new issue to track it?
2992021-11-04T19:16:58 <luke-jr> err, that's github again >_<
3002021-11-04T19:17:41 <laanwj> you could make a) an announcement about the change b) then put your mail adres or such for people to contact you in case it causes problems
3012021-11-04T19:17:51 <laanwj> if no one contacts you, it's clear
3022021-11-04T19:18:05 <luke-jr> well, if noone contacts me it might just be nobody sees the announcements :P
3032021-11-04T19:18:16 <laanwj> well if no one cares what can you do
3042021-11-04T19:18:24 <laanwj> better to drop it maybe :)
3052021-11-04T19:18:55 <luke-jr> I'll run a draft ann by people here later
3062021-11-04T19:19:00 <laanwj> thanks!
3072021-11-04T19:19:40 <laanwj> any other topics?
3082021-11-04T19:20:33 <laanwj> (this is yet again an example of lack of communication with translators, if we had a moderator/reviewer as point of contact for every language it'd be much easier)
3092021-11-04T19:21:06 <michaelfolkson> I think jarolrod and hebasto are revamping the process?
3102021-11-04T19:21:11 <michaelfolkson> Or intending to?
3112021-11-04T19:21:14 <laanwj> yes
3122021-11-04T19:21:23 <jarolrod> While here, at cordev I had presented on issues with translations
3132021-11-04T19:21:42 <jarolrod> Iâm writing up an issue to present to the community some proposals on the revamp
3142021-11-04T19:21:51 <jarolrod> Will share soon :)
3152021-11-04T19:21:56 <michaelfolkson> Cool :)
3162021-11-04T19:22:09 <laanwj> great!
3172021-11-04T19:22:54 <laanwj> #endmeeting
3182021-11-04T19:22:54 <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
3192021-11-04T19:22:54 <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Thu Nov 4 19:22:54 2021 UTC.
3202021-11-04T19:22:54 <core-meetingbot> Minutes: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2021/bitcoin-core-dev.2021-11-04-19.00.moin.txt
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3262021-11-04T19:37:33 <luke-jr> draft announcement for transifex: https://gist.github.com/luke-jr/7802b7601812a17f883adabe12823f1f
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3302021-11-04T19:44:23 <luke-jr> laanwj: jarolrod: hebasto: ^
3312021-11-04T19:45:07 <luke-jr> (I did not see any way for translators to report issues on Transifex)
3322021-11-04T19:45:12 <laanwj> luke-jr: looks good to me
3332021-11-04T19:45:49 <jarolrod> Looks good to me as well
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3422021-11-04T20:16:45 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dhruv opened pull request #23440: Bip324 ellsq buildwoes (master...bip324-ellsq-buildwoes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23440
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3452021-11-04T20:17:00 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dhruv closed pull request #23440: Bip324 ellsq buildwoes (master...bip324-ellsq-buildwoes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23440
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3482021-11-04T20:18:15 <dhruv> Is there a way to configure github to by default make PRs against master on my fork, instead of defaulting to the fork's upstream repo?
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3522021-11-04T20:28:58 <objdefined[m]> Hello guys
3532021-11-04T20:29:30 <objdefined[m]> I'm curious about your thoughts on trusting cryptocurrency exchanges.
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3662021-11-04T21:09:07 <hebasto> luke-jr: ack on announcement
3672021-11-04T21:11:28 <hebasto> luke-jr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QO4iHaYz/DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20211104231105.png
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3762021-11-04T21:47:13 <common> when are bitcoin core dev meetings?
3772021-11-04T21:50:53 <luke-jr> hebasto: I can't find that screenshotted thing anywhere
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3792021-11-04T21:53:20 <luke-jr> posted https://www.transifex.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/announcements/12955/
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3952021-11-04T22:26:04 <michaelfolkson> dhruv: Doesn't look like it https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31573448/how-to-set-default-fork-for-pull-requests
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3972021-11-04T22:27:25 <michaelfolkson> objdefined[m]: Wrong channel, this is focused on Core development. Try #bitcoin
3982021-11-04T22:28:42 <michaelfolkson> common: 19:00 UTC on Thursdays for Core. 19:00 UTC on Friday every 2 weeks for Core wallet
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4002021-11-04T22:31:20 <common> ty michaelfolkson
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4062021-11-04T22:49:46 <Guest58> Hi
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