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322022-02-11T02:10:02 <prayank> kanzure: if you or your algo bans people because you do not like their thoughts, either leave responsibility to decide for others when you are already making so called "privacy coins" to get rich. Or allow different opinions so that we can see how people react to something.
332022-02-11T02:10:40 <prayank> 1. One person had emailed me about bad ports it was not updated
342022-02-11T02:10:55 <prayank> 2. My email about mempool was not updated
352022-02-11T02:11:44 <prayank> If this continues we will find better solutions and this will become irrelevant
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452022-02-11T02:31:23 <kanzure> what?
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472022-02-11T02:37:46 <prayank> kanzure: Asking for reasons why 1 and 2 was not updated
482022-02-11T02:38:55 <prayank> might be offtopic and I have emails
492022-02-11T02:39:09 <prayank> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." please follow this
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562022-02-11T03:08:55 <prayank> I did not receive any answer in last few huours. pleaase do one thing: stay away from me and associated devs. I won't care.
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592022-02-11T03:15:47 <kanzure> emails don't/can't get updated once sent
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612022-02-11T03:23:41 <prayank> kanzure: why is this not visible in bitcoin dev mailing list? https://i.imgur.com/BOoxVfA.png
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912022-02-11T05:57:07 <achow101> prayank: the bitcoin-dev list has greylisting active. messages from new emails will be in a moderation queue and need to be manually approved before being sent to the list. messages that are not approved will appear here: https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev-moderation/ I don't see the email in question there, so it's probably just still in the queue waiting for someone to get to it
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1152022-02-11T08:40:45 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a7e80449c081...5f7f2f7ffad1
1162022-02-11T08:40:45 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ddcac22 jarolrod: doc: cleanup doc on need of Developer Account to obtain macOS SDK
1172022-02-11T08:40:45 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5f7f2f7 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24241: doc: cleanup doc on need of Developer Account...
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1202022-02-11T08:41:02 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24241: doc: cleanup doc on need of Developer Account to obtain macOS SDK (master...macdeploy-readme-cleanups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24241
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1412022-02-11T11:28:33 <michaelfolkson> prayank: Firstly please be less accusatory in tone until you fully understand what has occurred. kanzure and others have kept the mailing list going for years voluntarily and shouldn't have to jump to IRC to defend themselves against premature conclusions
1422022-02-11T11:29:29 <michaelfolkson> Secondly, this is the wrong IRC channel for these discussions. We've set up #bitcoin-dev for discussion on BIPs, mailing list posts. This is not a Core development issue
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1442022-02-11T11:40:26 <hebasto> just wrote to support+ci@cirruslabs.org about `arm_container` failure in CI
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1482022-02-11T11:54:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #24316: ci: Follow Cirrus CI docs (master...220211-ci-macos) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24316
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1522022-02-11T12:23:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5f7f2f7ffad1...bcecde64b4ad
1532022-02-11T12:23:21 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c49e7db Hennadii Stepanov: ci: Follow Cirrus CI docs
1542022-02-11T12:23:21 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bcecde6 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24316: ci: Rename Cirrus CI osx_instance to macos_in...
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1572022-02-11T12:23:38 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24316: ci: Rename Cirrus CI osx_instance to macos_instance (master...220211-ci-macos) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24316
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1972022-02-11T15:09:45 <laanwj> sorry for not catching https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24257#issuecomment-1036272515 sooner btw, seems i've been a bit lax with testing the std::filesystem pr
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2092022-02-11T15:44:01 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bcecde64b4ad...b79c40b057ec
2102022-02-11T15:44:01 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ee822d8 Vasil Dimov: util: use stronger-guarantee rename method
2112022-02-11T15:44:01 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b79c40b MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24308: util: use stronger-guarantee rename method
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2142022-02-11T15:44:18 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24308: util: use stronger-guarantee rename method (master...20435_rebased) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24308
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2172022-02-11T15:52:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dev7ba opened pull request #24318: doc: ZMQ documentation fix regarding topics (master...zmqDocFix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24318
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2252022-02-11T16:23:40 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #24319: refactor: Avoid unsigned integer overflow in core_write (master...2202-intW) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24319
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2412022-02-11T17:20:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b79c40b057ec...2d7ea201fc17
2422022-02-11T17:20:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b75f4c8 Kristaps Kaupe: RPC: Return external_signer in getwalletinfo
2432022-02-11T17:20:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2d7ea20 Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24307: RPC: Return external_signer in getwalletinfo
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2462022-02-11T17:21:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #24307: RPC: Return external_signer in getwalletinfo (master...getwalletinfo-external_signer) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24307
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2702022-02-11T19:00:18 <achow101> #startmeeting
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2732022-02-11T19:00:29 <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos Murch nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik
2742022-02-11T19:00:29 <achow101> petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK sipa vasild
2752022-02-11T19:00:43 <Murch> Hi
2762022-02-11T19:01:12 <achow101> there are no pre-proposed topics, anyone have anything to discuss?
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2792022-02-11T19:02:15 <S3RK> hi
2802022-02-11T19:02:42 <S3RK> I'm working on the test cases for bnb without limit
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2822022-02-11T19:03:51 <S3RK> was able to reproduce a case when it dropped >250k sats
2832022-02-11T19:04:19 <Murch> Ouch!
2842022-02-11T19:04:19 <achow101> are you able to run simulations?
2852022-02-11T19:04:47 <S3RK> my laptop is too slow for the simulations that you run
2862022-02-11T19:04:49 <Murch> #proposedwalletmeetingtopic Better name for `sweepwallet` RPC
2872022-02-11T19:05:48 <achow101> S3RK: that's unfortunate
2882022-02-11T19:06:01 <Murch> S3RK: How would you propose to curb such high amounts?
2892022-02-11T19:06:21 <Murch> Random Selection doesn't necessarily get a better result, although with that sort of amount it should be extremely likely
2902022-02-11T19:06:38 <Murch> I guess Knapsack should also get something with a lower waste
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2922022-02-11T19:07:04 <S3RK> the worst case is when knapsack latches onto an exact match with many inputs
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2942022-02-11T19:07:39 <S3RK> and due to sheer amount of inputs in the wallet SRD can't find predictably a good solution either
2952022-02-11T19:08:00 <S3RK> i have two ideas 1) keep the limit but move it higher
2962022-02-11T19:08:30 <S3RK> 2) introduce another selection algo in the mix that will find solution in such cases
2972022-02-11T19:08:52 <S3RK> #1 is pretty easy, I'll do a bit more research on what is a good value for the limit
2982022-02-11T19:08:54 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1 | JSON-RPC support for mobile devices ("ultra-lightweight" clients) · Issue #1 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2992022-02-11T19:09:00 <S3RK> lol
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3012022-02-11T19:10:03 <achow101> I think another algo is going to be more difficult than finding a better limit
3022022-02-11T19:10:23 <Murch> Well, in what way?
3032022-02-11T19:10:24 <S3RK> the thing is even with higher limit the selection in such scenario is pretty bad
3042022-02-11T19:10:37 <S3RK> the waste is huuuge
3052022-02-11T19:10:48 <Murch> Yeah
3062022-02-11T19:10:59 <S3RK> and it's kind of obvious what is the optimal solution
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3082022-02-11T19:11:26 <Murch> S3RK: Obvious in a way that can be formalized? ;)
3092022-02-11T19:11:28 <S3RK> I'll polish the test and make PR, would be easier to discuss on examples
3102022-02-11T19:11:30 <michaelfolkson> hi
3112022-02-11T19:11:34 <glozow> hi
3122022-02-11T19:11:44 <Murch> oh, you mean for the higher limit?
3132022-02-11T19:12:12 <S3RK> murch: not sure about formalization
3142022-02-11T19:13:09 <jonatack> hi (wallet meeting started ten minutes ago or is it at the top of the next hour?)
3152022-02-11T19:13:11 <S3RK> I think an algo minimizing the fees would find it
3162022-02-11T19:13:32 <Murch> jonatack: it's on-going
3172022-02-11T19:13:41 <jonatack> Murch: ty
3182022-02-11T19:13:54 <achow101> S3RK: yes, examples would be useful
3192022-02-11T19:14:05 <Murch> or just LF
3202022-02-11T19:14:05 <Murch> S3RK: Oh, sure. But that would essentially boil down to smallest input larger than the target
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3222022-02-11T19:14:13 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #24322: [kernel 1/n] Introduce initial `libbitcoinkernel` (master...2022-02-libbitcoinkernel-p1-minimal) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24322
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3242022-02-11T19:14:21 <Murch> For a single selection that's of course optimal
3252022-02-11T19:14:31 <Murch> It's probably not optimal for the long-term, though
3262022-02-11T19:14:51 <S3RK> not always, because consolidation could be better if fees are low
3272022-02-11T19:14:59 <S3RK> but I understand the challenge
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3292022-02-11T19:15:09 <S3RK> maybe we can punish such solutions by some fixed waster
3302022-02-11T19:15:10 <S3RK> idk
3312022-02-11T19:15:13 <Murch> Right, but that wouldn't be minimizing fees
3322022-02-11T19:15:26 <Murch> But rather minimizing waste :)
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3342022-02-11T19:15:41 <Murch> mh.
3352022-02-11T19:15:58 <S3RK> well... I mean the algo searches for the minimum fee solution
3362022-02-11T19:16:05 <S3RK> but the final result is selected by waste
3372022-02-11T19:16:11 <Murch> ah yes
3382022-02-11T19:16:18 <S3RK> which means that the algo won't always win
3392022-02-11T19:16:47 <Murch> Right, but it would also mean that we would usually get a single input solution for anything above 10 sat/vB
3402022-02-11T19:17:06 <S3RK> I agree it might skew the selection too much. just an idea
3412022-02-11T19:17:10 <Murch> Occasionally, maybe a BnB solution with two inputs that has better waste
3422022-02-11T19:17:42 <Murch> Yeha, sorry, I'm not trying to dissuade brain storming
3432022-02-11T19:18:09 <Murch> I was just considering it as well, but I think it would basically get rid of almost all other solutions
3442022-02-11T19:18:24 <Murch> (for the high feerate case, that is)
3452022-02-11T19:18:28 <S3RK> oh! what if we do run knapsack with a few change targets?
3462022-02-11T19:18:57 <S3RK> the problem now is that if there is an exact match knapsack quits
3472022-02-11T19:19:00 <achow101> I thought we were plannin on ditching knapsack
3482022-02-11T19:19:45 <S3RK> I'm not sure SRD + bnb only cover all cases, like the one we are dicussing no
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3502022-02-11T19:19:58 <Murch> achow101: Yeah, but isn't it currently providing something like 60% of all selection solutions? We should probably find something that beats Knapsack before getting rid of it
3512022-02-11T19:21:03 <Murch> I don't like how computationally inefficient it is, but it currently seems to be the best solution per waste metric most of the time
3522022-02-11T19:22:08 <Murch> mh. If there is an exact match, we should also find it with BnB.
3532022-02-11T19:22:32 <Murch> Perhaps we could just kick that out of Knapsack's terminal conditions?
3542022-02-11T19:22:33 <S3RK> we do, but the waste sucks. and BnB preffers to drop 250k sats to fees
3552022-02-11T19:23:14 <Murch> Oh, you mean in the case that we get an input set with tons of inputs
3562022-02-11T19:23:20 <S3RK> yes
3572022-02-11T19:23:29 <Murch> Well, that would be more of a bug than intended behavior, wouldn't it?
3582022-02-11T19:23:44 <achow101> if I understand correctly, both bnb without limit and knapsack find solutions that suck, when there is a better one?
3592022-02-11T19:23:54 <S3RK> indeed
3602022-02-11T19:24:00 <S3RK> the scenario is like this
3612022-02-11T19:24:01 <achow101> for some definition of better that doesn't quite include waste?
3622022-02-11T19:24:22 <S3RK> we have one big coin and tons of small ones
3632022-02-11T19:24:51 <S3RK> we send an amount that is exact match of 100 small coins AND just under big coin
3642022-02-11T19:24:54 <Murch> Isn't it more like "BnB without limit finds always a solution, but they suck sometimes"?
3652022-02-11T19:25:16 <S3RK> bnb without limit finds a solution when we use one big coin and drop the rest for fees
3662022-02-11T19:25:25 <S3RK> knapsack finds exact match which is bad
3672022-02-11T19:25:44 <S3RK> the optimal is to take one big coin + maybe a few small and create change
3682022-02-11T19:25:50 <achow101> hmm, maybe we need a knapsack replacement that doesn't do exact match
3692022-02-11T19:26:07 <S3RK> SRD could find it, but if there are tons of coins that the chances are not in our favor
3702022-02-11T19:26:28 <Murch> Right
3712022-02-11T19:26:32 <Murch> Makes sense
3722022-02-11T19:27:03 <achow101> knapsack also does a couple different things, perhaps we should split it up. e.g. the "lowest larger" part of it sounds like it would solve this problem
3732022-02-11T19:27:06 <Murch> Has any of you ever looked into the "blackjack" algo?
3742022-02-11T19:27:39 <S3RK> Murch saying just having lowet larger would skew selection too much
3752022-02-11T19:27:54 <S3RK> didn't look into "blakjack" algo
3762022-02-11T19:28:19 <Murch> achow101: lowest larger would probably almost always win the waste metric for high feerate cases
3772022-02-11T19:28:32 <S3RK> but what about running knapsack (or any other algo which optimizes for amount match) two times
3782022-02-11T19:28:44 <S3RK> one time with the target amount and another with that + some change target
3792022-02-11T19:28:53 <Murch> So it would highly favor short term optimal solutions but encourage fragmentation of the wallet in the long run
3802022-02-11T19:29:02 <S3RK> (stupid me, this doesn't help)
3812022-02-11T19:29:12 <achow101> Murch: what about lowest larger without a change target?
3822022-02-11T19:29:23 <achow101> (i.e. burn the excess)
3832022-02-11T19:29:32 <S3RK> that's bnb-without-limit
3842022-02-11T19:29:56 <Murch> Blackjack in a couple sentences: continuously pick the largest coin smaller than the missing amount. When no such coin exists, add smallest larger
3852022-02-11T19:30:29 <Murch> So, it'll always pick a few inputs, but in the end will always find a solution
3862022-02-11T19:30:50 <S3RK> will it find solution in the scenario I described above?
3872022-02-11T19:30:54 <S3RK> sounds like no
3882022-02-11T19:30:56 <Murch> It should also be somewhat consolidatory at low feerates
3892022-02-11T19:31:06 <Murch> mhh.
3902022-02-11T19:31:17 <Murch> S3RK: Ugh, you're right
3912022-02-11T19:31:46 <Murch> Maybe if you limit the first part to ~5 or ten inputs
3922022-02-11T19:31:46 <achow101> I'm slightly confused. I think I need to look at an actual input set
3932022-02-11T19:32:04 <S3RK> yes, it's difficult to keep in the head
3942022-02-11T19:32:13 <achow101> need a whiteboard :)
3952022-02-11T19:32:19 <S3RK> I'll do a PR once I clean up the code
3962022-02-11T19:32:27 <S3RK> helped me a lot to reason about it
3972022-02-11T19:33:00 <S3RK> that's all from me
3982022-02-11T19:33:09 <achow101> ok, I'll wait for that
3992022-02-11T19:33:29 <Murch> achow101: You have 100Ã 1Â mâ¿ and 1Ã 102.5Â mâ¿. Select for 100Â mâ¿
4002022-02-11T19:34:11 <achow101> #topic Better name for `sweepwallet` RPC (Murch)
4012022-02-11T19:34:11 <core-meetingbot`> topic: Better name for `sweepwallet` RPC (Murch)
4022022-02-11T19:34:24 <Murch> Okay
4032022-02-11T19:35:17 <Murch> Well, the proposed RPC was first named `sweep`, and multiple people said that their first instinct was that its function was to take the funds from an external privKey and send the funds into the wallet
4042022-02-11T19:35:50 <Murch> So we renamed it to `sweepwallet` thinking that this would distinguish it, but the comment has come up again :)
4052022-02-11T19:36:36 <Murch> So, I'm open for people proposing a better name for an RPC that has the function of:
4062022-02-11T19:36:36 <Murch> ⢠Take a set of UTXOs and send all of it to a recipient deducting fees
4072022-02-11T19:36:53 <S3RK> sendcoind/sendutxos?
4082022-02-11T19:37:05 <achow101> I think sweepwallet is fine
4092022-02-11T19:37:16 <S3RK> sweepwallet is also fine with me fwiw
4102022-02-11T19:38:12 <Murch> Mh. `sendcoins` does kinda work for me
4112022-02-11T19:38:35 <Murch> Anyway, I don't want to dwell on it too much. If people have ideas, please dm me, or post on the PR.
4122022-02-11T19:39:01 <Murch> If we don't come up with something much better, I'd just stick with it, though
4132022-02-11T19:40:03 <Murch> That's #24118 I'm talking about, btw
4142022-02-11T19:40:03 <achow101> anything else to discuss?
4152022-02-11T19:40:05 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24118 | Add sweepwallet RPC by Xekyo · Pull Request #24118 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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4172022-02-11T19:40:16 <Murch> That's it from me
4182022-02-11T19:41:08 <achow101> #endmeeting
4192022-02-11T19:41:08 <core-meetingbot`> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
4202022-02-11T19:41:08 <core-meetingbot`> Meeting ended Fri Feb 11 19:41:07 2022 UTC.
4212022-02-11T19:41:08 <core-meetingbot`> Minutes: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2022/bitcoin-core-dev.2022-02-11-19.00.moin.txt
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4232022-02-11T19:41:20 <S3RK> have a nice weekend, everybody!
4242022-02-11T19:41:29 <Murch> Thanks, you too
4252022-02-11T19:43:28 <warren> Murch: "emptywallet" seems abundantly clear in intent?
4262022-02-11T19:43:40 <jonatack> Murch: if you're not targeting v23 (it seems to be too late), at least we'll have some time to correct the RPC name, and the options vs positional args thing, if people prefer to
4272022-02-11T19:46:51 <Murch> Yeah, I think it'll not make the feature freeze
4282022-02-11T19:48:25 <warren> To clarify the existing SFFA used with manual Coin Control selection is not going away right? I use that a lot.
4292022-02-11T19:49:39 <achow101> warren: you can specify specific inputs in sweep and it will spend only those inputs
4302022-02-11T19:50:18 <warren> Will I no longer be able to click the inputs I want in the Coin Control window?
4312022-02-11T19:50:37 <achow101> the gui is currently not changing
4322022-02-11T19:51:06 <warren> OK, Coin Control + SFFA will continue to work?
4332022-02-11T19:51:13 <achow101> yes
4342022-02-11T19:51:14 <warren> Coin Control GUI + SFFA
4352022-02-11T19:51:18 <warren> k thanks
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4372022-02-11T19:57:29 <jonatack> warren: +1, i use SFFA a lot
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4502022-02-11T21:19:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2d7ea201fc17...3bb93940703e
4512022-02-11T21:19:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 75ae39e fanquake: build: add a default build tar in depends
4522022-02-11T21:19:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 471d155 fanquake: build: add support for OpenBSD to depends
4532022-02-11T21:19:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3bb9394 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23998: build: support OpenBSD in depends
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4622022-02-11T21:34:43 <Skyz> Hello
4632022-02-11T21:35:10 <Skyz> I have zero experience but want to get into security on the blockchain
4642022-02-11T21:36:06 <Skyz> Any leads?
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