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112022-02-24T00:47:36 <hebasto> in src/net.cpp#L2623 the message "Cannot provide specific connections and have addrman find outgoing connections at the same." looks wrong at the end -- can someone who knows addrman improve it?
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162022-02-24T00:52:57 <_aj_> hebasto: "provide specific connections" == use the -connect option == "Connect only to the specified node"
172022-02-24T00:53:43 <_aj_> hebasto: maybe "Cannot limit outgoing connections to specified nodes [and have..]" or something would be better?
182022-02-24T00:53:48 <hebasto> I mean "... at the same *what*?" time?
192022-02-24T00:54:15 <_aj_> haha, i just read straight over that
202022-02-24T00:54:19 <_aj_> yeah time
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222022-02-24T00:55:06 <hebasto> _aj_: thanks!
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242022-02-24T01:02:35 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #24434: Add missed word to error message (master...220224-word) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24434
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282022-02-24T01:09:42 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maxraustin opened pull request #24435: [WIP] test: Refactor subtree exclusion in lint tests (master...#17413-Subtree-Exclude-Dirs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24435
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1232022-02-24T08:27:30 <laanwj> luke-jr: i think the reasoning was that including a bit of code from libgcc in the release binary was the same as statically linking libgcc, which we already do; of course IANAL and i'm happy we've got rid of that
1242022-02-24T08:28:24 <laanwj> luke-jr: that said, for GPL compliance, i'm happy to provide a copy of the source code upon request, either digitally or through floppies in the mail (there might be some costs and delays involved)
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1272022-02-24T08:31:16 <laanwj> in the longer run static linking against musl libc and using clang will end any potential legal uncertanties around static building against libgcc (though i'm pretty sure we're in the clear)
1282022-02-24T08:34:52 <laanwj> "The libgcc library is licensed under the GNU GPL plus the GCC Runtime Library Exception (see COPYING.RUNTIME in your gcc source tree). This roughly means that you are allowed to link in libgcc into your software even if it would normally violate the GNU GPL, as long as you used a non-proprietary version of GCC."
1292022-02-24T08:41:34 <laanwj> no proprietary blob of any kind is involved in our build process *apart from apple SDK* which is used for the MacOS builds only, that build uses clang anyway, and there was never any libgcc code in that
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1392022-02-24T09:21:52 <fanquake> yes musl + clang is something I plan on looking at soon
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1512022-02-24T10:11:38 <laanwj> ^^
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1692022-02-24T11:22:30 <laanwj> achow101: re https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24418#discussion_r813133287 well at least it's future proof i guess...
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1722022-02-24T11:32:50 <laanwj> seems we've quite massively overestimated due to the size of debug.log files (?)? do you think it's worth reverting that and invalidating ACKs for to adjust it down again
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1762022-02-24T11:35:13 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ff33c5a Hennadii Stepanov: Add missed word to error message
1772022-02-24T11:35:13 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 37637be laanwj: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24434: Add missed word to error message
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1802022-02-24T11:35:29 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #24434: Add missed word to error message (master...220224-word) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24434
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1832022-02-24T11:41:29 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #24438: qt: English (source) translations update (master...2022-02-translations-source-update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24438
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1882022-02-24T12:10:22 <michaelfolkson> Spam (Zamy159) https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1284#issuecomment-1048649128
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1912022-02-24T12:21:53 <laanwj> michaelfolkson: thanks, hid the comment and blocked for a month
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1972022-02-24T12:53:50 <fanquake> laanwj: I think invalidating the ACKs is fine
1982022-02-24T12:54:01 <fanquake> It's easy to re-verify
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2002022-02-24T12:59:29 <laanwj> right, agree, also maybe it's a mistake to combine updating consensus-critical values (nMinimumChainWork, defaultAssumeValid) in the same PR as subjective-ish values about blockchain size
2012022-02-24T12:59:30 <prayank> laanwj: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24418#issuecomment-1049770559 I have restarted node with -reindex-chainstate -assumevalid=0 to verify but it can take a lot of time on my machine. Maybe jonatack would be able to do it earlier.
2022022-02-24T12:59:46 <laanwj> maybe something to keep in mind for the release process for next time
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2042022-02-24T13:00:34 <laanwj> prayank: yes, that's also why i'm not doing it myself
2052022-02-24T13:00:42 <laanwj> it would take ages on anything i have
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2242022-02-24T13:57:41 <jonatack> prayank: i'm doing it on an old, slow machine too. about 5% done on mainnet after a couple hours, so may take a couple days
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2312022-02-24T14:03:49 <prayank> jonatack: I am doing it only for testnet and it should be done in next few hours
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2382022-02-24T14:33:34 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/37637bea3a9a...c07287d34cac
2392022-02-24T14:33:34 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 38020c4 laanwj: qt: English (source) translations update
2402022-02-24T14:33:34 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c07287d fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24438: qt: English (source) translations update
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2432022-02-24T14:33:49 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24438: qt: English (source) translations update (master...2022-02-translations-source-update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24438
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2602022-02-24T15:53:42 <prayank> Done
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2782022-02-24T16:44:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 76557cb MarcoFalke: test: Remove i686 from test/get_previous_releases.py
2792022-02-24T16:44:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0e4b695 Sjors Provoost: test: backwards compatibility: misc fixes
2802022-02-24T16:44:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8cba75f Sjors Provoost: test: v0.20.1 backwards compatibility
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3012022-02-24T17:44:57 <achow101> does sdaftuar have a 20 GB debug.log file or something?
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3042022-02-24T17:47:23 <MarcoFalke> or 20 GB of stale blocks
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3212022-02-24T18:20:28 <ajonas> #proposedmeetingtopic Bitcoin Core contributor survey
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3332022-02-24T19:00:10 <laanwj> #startmeeting
3342022-02-24T19:00:10 <core-meetingbot`> Meeting started Thu Feb 24 19:00:09 2022 UTC. The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
3352022-02-24T19:00:10 <core-meetingbot`> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
3362022-02-24T19:00:30 <achow101> hi
3372022-02-24T19:00:32 <jamesob> hi
3382022-02-24T19:00:33 <b10c> hi
3392022-02-24T19:00:40 <ajonas> hi
3402022-02-24T19:00:42 <sipa> hi
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3422022-02-24T19:00:45 <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball
3432022-02-24T19:00:47 <laanwj> morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
3442022-02-24T19:01:00 <kvaciral[m]> hi
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3462022-02-24T19:01:18 <prayank> hi
3472022-02-24T19:01:29 <luke-jr> hi
3482022-02-24T19:01:35 <michaelfolkson> hi
3492022-02-24T19:01:38 <laanwj> one proposed meeting topic this week (you can propose meeting topics during the week with #proposedmeetingtopic): Bitcoin Core contributor survey (ajonas)
3502022-02-24T19:01:52 <laanwj> any last minute topics?
3512022-02-24T19:04:06 <laanwj> as the 23.0 branch-off is planned soon (2022-03-01, in less than a week), it probably makes sense to go over the milestone again
3522022-02-24T19:04:21 <laanwj> #topic 23.0 milestone
3532022-02-24T19:04:21 <core-meetingbot`> topic: 23.0 milestone
3542022-02-24T19:04:24 <laanwj> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/52
3552022-02-24T19:05:17 <luke-jr> idk if https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/557 is too late or not (forgot about it I guess)
3562022-02-24T19:05:18 <laanwj> there's, some bugfixes left, as well as the usual release process items
3572022-02-24T19:06:01 <laanwj> 23.0 milestone for gui repo: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/milestone/7
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3592022-02-24T19:06:49 <prayank> laanwj: #23524 #22834 are important, included in 23.0 milestone and RFM
3602022-02-24T19:06:50 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23524 | doc: Fix typos in endif header comments by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #23524 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3612022-02-24T19:06:53 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22834 | net: respect -onlynet= when making outbound connections by vasild · Pull Request #22834 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3622022-02-24T19:07:05 <laanwj> luke-jr: I don't know, we already had the translations freeze
3632022-02-24T19:07:08 <luke-jr> right
3642022-02-24T19:07:25 <prayank> Sorry it was #23542
3652022-02-24T19:07:28 <luke-jr> and unfortunately one of the strings changed in between, so it's not a simple revert
3662022-02-24T19:07:30 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23542 | net: open p2p connections to nodes that listen on non-default ports by vasild · Pull Request #23542 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3672022-02-24T19:07:56 <laanwj> it's too bad we didn't catch it before merging bitcoin-core/gui#296
3682022-02-24T19:07:57 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/296 | HTTP Error 404: Not Found
3692022-02-24T19:08:01 <luke-jr> (simple revert would have the benefit of having already been translated)
3702022-02-24T19:08:43 <laanwj> yes, then translation memory would just pull the old message
3712022-02-24T19:09:15 <laanwj> in any case we can probably still do it it's only a few messages
3722022-02-24T19:09:31 <laanwj> although fairly important ones that appear inthe intro that we really don't want untranslated
3732022-02-24T19:09:45 <laanwj> prayank: ok, thanks
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3812022-02-24T19:13:05 <laanwj> did anyone ever figure out what happens in #24335?
3822022-02-24T19:13:06 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24335 | Segmentation Fault in V21 and V22 releases · Issue #24335 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3832022-02-24T19:14:05 <achow101> yes
3842022-02-24T19:14:10 <achow101> it should be fixed by #23304
3852022-02-24T19:14:13 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23304 | wallet: Derive inactive HD chains in additional places by achow101 · Pull Request #23304 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3862022-02-24T19:14:17 <laanwj> looks like an issue multiple people are having, so would be good to solve it for 0.23
3872022-02-24T19:14:19 <laanwj> good!
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3892022-02-24T19:15:22 <laanwj> I vaguely remembered there was a fix but it wasn't linked in any way :)
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3912022-02-24T19:16:24 <laanwj> ok that's covered, anything else people would like to discuss for 23.0?
3922022-02-24T19:16:45 <laanwj> #24201 is labeled WIP, I don't think it should be on the milestone
3932022-02-24T19:16:47 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24201 | WIP: p2p: Avoid InitError when downgrading peers.dat by junderw · Pull Request #24201 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3942022-02-24T19:18:19 <prayank> I think I can review, tACK it and WIP can be removed. Will need some clarity from PR author why is WIP mentioned. I had already commented in PR.
3952022-02-24T19:18:58 <jonatack> hi
3962022-02-24T19:19:24 <laanwj> but WIP is generally before the review phase
3972022-02-24T19:19:31 <laanwj> yeah, I'm not sure
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3992022-02-24T19:20:13 <prayank> It was reviewed by multiple devs and author added WIP 5 days back
4002022-02-24T19:20:21 <laanwj> i see, weird
4012022-02-24T19:20:30 <luke-jr> laanwj: FWIW, I do have a better "translation memory" I use for Knots - but I'm not sure how easily I can send results from it back to Transifex :x
4022022-02-24T19:21:01 <michaelfolkson> Only 1 ACK and 1 utACK currently
4032022-02-24T19:21:28 <luke-jr> I think I would have to freeze all the translations, fetch, run my script on them, upload, and unfreeze - but it does take an hour or two
4042022-02-24T19:21:45 <michaelfolkson> Worth asking about the WIP regardless of milestone
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4062022-02-24T19:22:22 <laanwj> yes
4072022-02-24T19:22:56 <laanwj> #topic Bitcoin Core contributor survey (ajonas)
4082022-02-24T19:22:56 <core-meetingbot`> topic: Bitcoin Core contributor survey (ajonas)
4092022-02-24T19:23:09 <ajonas> hi
4102022-02-24T19:23:23 <ajonas> I've written up a summary of the Bitcoin Core dev contributor survey at https://adamjonas.com/bitcoin/coredev/retro/coredev-2021-retro/
4112022-02-24T19:23:31 <ajonas> Thanks to those who participated and I am looking forward to bothering folks again next year
4122022-02-24T19:23:40 <ajonas> that's it
4132022-02-24T19:23:49 <laanwj> thanks ajonas!
4142022-02-24T19:24:06 <laanwj> it was interesting to read
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4162022-02-24T19:25:15 <laanwj> any other topics people would like to discuss? or another short meeting :)
4172022-02-24T19:25:40 <MarcoFalke> I've created #24433 as a reply to the retro, btw
4182022-02-24T19:25:40 <jeremyrubin> oops
4192022-02-24T19:25:41 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24433 | doc: Explain that feedback needs to be addressed by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #24433 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4202022-02-24T19:25:44 <jeremyrubin> thanks ajonas!
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4222022-02-24T19:26:27 <MarcoFalke> Section "review": https://adamjonas.com/bitcoin/coredev/retro/coredev-2021-retro/#review
4232022-02-24T19:27:05 <jeremyrubin> one little topic i'd like to discuss around signets if theres nothing else laanwj
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4252022-02-24T19:27:44 <jeremyrubin> #proposedmeetingtopic: signet parameter distributions / signet data dirs improvement approach
4262022-02-24T19:27:50 <laanwj> MarcoFalke: definitely agree with that
4272022-02-24T19:28:29 <jamesob> ajonas: cool wordcloud
4282022-02-24T19:28:30 <prayank> MarcoFalke: I wanted to suggest something in that PR but that would become controversial. And I was not aware of this survey.
4292022-02-24T19:28:50 <MarcoFalke> Another point of feedback was that sometimes pull requests with ACKs aren't merged. Sometimes I see them too, but I din't feel comfortable merging them, because I am not at all familiar with that part of the codebase.
4302022-02-24T19:29:11 <laanwj> MarcoFalke: makes sense to ping another maintainer then
4312022-02-24T19:29:13 <laanwj> or just, mention it here
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4332022-02-24T19:30:16 <MarcoFalke> Ok, maybe this is soemthing we might want to document as well.
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4352022-02-24T19:31:07 <prayank> We can document lot of things for reviewers in which they had to ping in IRC
4362022-02-24T19:31:11 <laanwj> yes, in general, don't assume anyone has an overview of all issues and PRs, if there's something that needs to be addressed (or ready for merge) it's best to bring it up here
4372022-02-24T19:31:27 <MarcoFalke> Also, it was mentioned that there should be more domain-specific maintainers. I tend to agree, but right now we don't have enough maintainers to assign each one a single domain.
4382022-02-24T19:32:04 <laanwj> it doesn't help if the wallet maintainers keep stepping down :)
4392022-02-24T19:32:41 <laanwj> yes, that's nothing new, we've tried that since 2012 or so
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4412022-02-24T19:33:04 <luke-jr> XD
4422022-02-24T19:34:28 <jeremyrubin> i think also it's helpful if current maintainers make clear areas which are more difficult to review for them -- e.g., i dont think there's that many maintainers who have deep mempool expertise (if i'm wrong here LMK), so i think things on mempool are negatively impacted by lack of reviewers who can prod along ack/merge.
4432022-02-24T19:34:38 <laanwj> we've always had, there's a lot of things people want and agree on but no one stepping up to do them, and we don't practice human sacrifice, not even by assigning people to be wallet maintainer :)
4442022-02-24T19:34:57 <jeremyrubin> Maybe current maintainers can list out what parts of the code they feel more/less confident on?
4452022-02-24T19:35:52 <ajonas> I don't think holding maintainers feet to the fire on what they know or what they don't is going to improve that
4462022-02-24T19:36:23 <luke-jr> maintainers are supposed to merge based on review ACKs, not their own personal review
4472022-02-24T19:36:27 <laanwj> right, lack of knowledgeable reviewers in certain areas of the code isn't going to be improved by slapping labels on people
4482022-02-24T19:36:33 <MarcoFalke> jeremyrubin: Grep for ACK-comments on the commits and create a heat-map, will be less subjective
4492022-02-24T19:36:38 <prayank> luke-jr: +1
4502022-02-24T19:36:44 <luke-jr> obviously it's good if they're familiar with the scope, but it shouldn't be a barrier in itself
4512022-02-24T19:37:08 <MarcoFalke> luke-jr: Maintainers should be able to tell if something is a backdoor or not before merge
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4532022-02-24T19:37:23 <luke-jr> MarcoFalke: reviewers should
4542022-02-24T19:37:42 <sipa> luke-jr: That's true, but I'm not sure it matters that much, because personal knowledge about a part of codebase also correlates with judging reviewer competence in that part.
4552022-02-24T19:37:45 <achow101> personally, I don't feel comfortable with merging something if I haven't reviewed it, and I don't feel comfortable reviewing something that I'm not familiar with
4562022-02-24T19:37:47 <laanwj> so like, the mempool is notoriously difficult to get people to review for, so, we make glozow mempool maintainer
4572022-02-24T19:37:48 <MarcoFalke> luke-jr: No one signs review comments, so a GitHub employee can hijack Bitcoin Core if maintainers blindly click the merge button without thinking
4582022-02-24T19:37:48 <luke-jr> maintainers aren't supposed to be a position of privilege
4592022-02-24T19:37:50 <jeremyrubin> i dont think i'm advocating holding feet to the fire moreso identifying where our current maintainership is stronger/weaker to aid in identifying where we might improve.
4602022-02-24T19:38:12 <michaelfolkson> It isn't just the maintainers knowledge, it is the maintainers' assessment of the reviewers' knowledge
4612022-02-24T19:38:34 <jeremyrubin> laanwj: glozow is currently one of the main people writing new mempool code, so her being a maintainer probably doesn't help much
4622022-02-24T19:38:36 <luke-jr> MarcoFalke: true, but hopefully the spoofed reviewers would notice before a release
4632022-02-24T19:38:45 <laanwj> jeremyrubin: that was exactly my point
4642022-02-24T19:38:45 <prayank> laanwj: NACK
4652022-02-24T19:38:55 <laanwj> prayank: i'm not asking you
4662022-02-24T19:39:30 <luke-jr> â¦
4672022-02-24T19:39:34 <prayank> laanwj: what was it?
4682022-02-24T19:39:47 <laanwj> i also don't think brining hijack-ability of github into this is useful now
4692022-02-24T19:39:50 <jeremyrubin> laanwj sorry i didn't parse the sarcasm
4702022-02-24T19:40:03 <ajonas> re the mempool - I understand the frustration but the reality is that the more sensitive the code and the fewer people understand it, the harder it will be to get in.
4712022-02-24T19:40:26 <ajonas> mempool actually has a lot more momentum than it did a year ago
4722022-02-24T19:40:36 <ajonas> so review is improving
4732022-02-24T19:40:43 <laanwj> the pr review meetings are probably helping!
4742022-02-24T19:40:51 <MarcoFalke> jeremyrubin: I don't think this is sacrasm. maintainers are naturally those that review the most. For example, I used to review every test pull request, so I became test maintainer
4752022-02-24T19:41:22 <ajonas> it's like p2p 2-3 years ago when it became more of an area of interest
4762022-02-24T19:41:31 <laanwj> MarcoFalke: it was like half sarcasm half a serious proposal
4772022-02-24T19:41:34 <jeremyrubin> i think the sarcasm was that the talent pool is shallow so right now we'd be making the person writing be in a position to not merge their own thing
4782022-02-24T19:41:34 <luke-jr> MarcoFalke: (and you do a good job at it)
4792022-02-24T19:41:54 <prayank> laanwj: changing RBF policy in core because of xyz reasons in abc project is not going to improve anything FYI and it doesn't matter who is the maintainer
4802022-02-24T19:42:12 <luke-jr> jeremyrubin: maintainers can merge their own thing if it gets reasonable review ACKs
4812022-02-24T19:42:16 <laanwj> MarcoFalke: i think it'd be a good idea but not so much to get more review, just to have someone continuously involved with it in the project
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4842022-02-24T19:43:40 <laanwj> in any case, concrete proposals for maintainers would be useful
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4862022-02-24T19:44:04 <jeremyrubin> laanwj: that's basically what i'm trying to point out, that it'd be good if our 'maintainership coverage' is documented so that we can better it for different areas of the code
4872022-02-24T19:44:06 <laanwj> for different areas
4882022-02-24T19:44:19 <jeremyrubin> mempool as an example, but other parts too
4892022-02-24T19:44:28 <laanwj> preferably people stepping up themselves and not being sacrificed :p
4902022-02-24T19:44:40 <luke-jr> maybe more IRC "rtm" would help
4912022-02-24T19:45:10 <laanwj> yes
4922022-02-24T19:46:08 <laanwj> more discussion here would help in any case i think
4932022-02-24T19:46:24 <ajonas> I guess it's worth recognizing in this discussion and the summary that being a maintainer is hard
4942022-02-24T19:46:37 <ajonas> thank you to those that are shouldering that load
4952022-02-24T19:47:00 <laanwj> as said, github just has too large volume of activity, no one can keep up with it, if there's anything of note it's good to bring it up here
4962022-02-24T19:47:06 <jeremyrubin> one concept: maintainers can delegate explicitly (e.g., on GH) the maintainer decision on a PR if theres not one who feels qualified
4972022-02-24T19:47:07 <laanwj> thanks ajonas
4982022-02-24T19:47:25 <jeremyrubin> sort of in-between of being a formal maintainer v.s. giving someone else the RTM call
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5002022-02-24T19:48:26 <laanwj> i mean the first step is just to communicate, are you unsure, ask it, don't wait until someone gets around to your PR by accident :)
5012022-02-24T19:49:01 <michaelfolkson> Agreed. I think just more communication is the solution rather than creating new roles
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5032022-02-24T19:50:19 <laanwj> any other topics?
5042022-02-24T19:50:22 <luke-jr> I wonder if that bitcoinacks website was helpful
5052022-02-24T19:50:26 <michaelfolkson> I think it is fine for a maintainer to say on a PR "I think this is ready to merge but I'm not as familiar as I'd like with this part of the codebase. Any thoughts from Person A, B, C"
5062022-02-24T19:50:27 <jeremyrubin> i did a small one ^
5072022-02-24T19:50:32 <luke-jr> is it dead now?
5082022-02-24T19:50:42 <jeremyrubin> 11:27 #proposedmeetingtopic: signet parameter distributions / signet data dirs improvement approach
5092022-02-24T19:50:59 <laanwj> #topic signet parameter distributions / signet data dirs improvement approach (jeremyrubin)
5102022-02-24T19:51:00 <core-meetingbot`> topic: signet parameter distributions / signet data dirs improvement approach (jeremyrubin)
5112022-02-24T19:51:02 <achow101> luke-jr: I tried using it a few weeks ago and it seemed to be dead
5122022-02-24T19:51:17 <laanwj> luke-jr: yes, i think so, the person maintaining it suddenly stopped doing so
5132022-02-24T19:51:21 <jeremyrubin> not much to say, but in running the ctv signet people have been having issues with datadirs because any signet goes to the same place
5142022-02-24T19:51:42 <jeremyrubin> it might be nice if signets had e.g. a per challenge chainstate directory or something
5152022-02-24T19:52:20 <jeremyrubin> or if bitcoin.conf could have multiple [signet.xyz]'s for configging different named signets
5162022-02-24T19:52:43 <jeremyrubin> dont really have any idea of how to approach that so if anyone has any thoughts would love them before i spend any time on it
5172022-02-24T19:53:12 <laanwj> luke-jr: there was some discussion about it at the time and we moved it into bitcoin-core at some point https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-acks , but no one picked it up
5182022-02-24T19:53:51 <prayank> jeremyrubin: asking to backup old signet datadir, delete and relaunch can be workaround for now and maybe separate dir in future
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5212022-02-24T19:54:08 <jeremyrubin> prayank: certainly works for now
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5232022-02-24T19:54:10 <laanwj> jeremyrubin: yes, that would make sense
5242022-02-24T19:54:36 <achow101> signets could be identified by the hash of the challenge, and we make datadirs like "signet_<challenge hash>"?
5252022-02-24T19:54:41 <jeremyrubin> i will probably just make the fork that i have make a different dir by default to skirt the problem for now (going to add default params to that branch)
5262022-02-24T19:54:56 <jeremyrubin> achow101: one question I had is if challenges can change over time
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5282022-02-24T19:55:01 <michaelfolkson> luke-jr: It also had the problem of people not following the review guidance (Concept ACK, Approach ACK, ACK) and using tACK, utACK, crACK etc
5292022-02-24T19:55:11 <achow101> jeremyrubin: wouldn't that break validating old blocks?
5302022-02-24T19:55:12 <sipa> could they be identified by the hash of the genesis block?
5312022-02-24T19:55:27 <sipa> jeremyrubin: Pretty sure they challenge cannot be changed
5322022-02-24T19:55:30 <jeremyrubin> achow101: depends, are the old scriptcodes covered in the sig?
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5342022-02-24T19:55:58 <achow101> sipa: IIRC the genesis is shared
5352022-02-24T19:56:16 <sipa> jeremyrubin: the signet block hash covers the challenge
5362022-02-24T19:56:24 <jeremyrubin> It would also be nice if bitcoin core could have multiple signets in the chain configs
5372022-02-24T19:56:55 <sipa> (it's done using a fake transaction which creates a UTXO with scriptPubKey=challenge, and then another transaction spending that UTXO)
5382022-02-24T19:57:25 <sipa> so the prevhash of the spending input indirectly is derived from the challenge
5392022-02-24T19:57:44 <jeremyrubin> i think nicknames are a little better than hash of signetchallenge, although hash of signetchallenge does guarantee uniqueness
5402022-02-24T19:58:31 <jeremyrubin> it'd also be good if 1 bitcoin.conf could configure >1 signet so i think the [signet.xyz] format is probably right
5412022-02-24T19:59:00 <jeremyrubin> maybe we can do user configured nicknames, and the directory can be based on the challenge?
5422022-02-24T19:59:12 <sipa> i think i'd prefer that
5432022-02-24T19:59:54 <sipa> have dirname/configsection be signet_<hash(challenge)>, but then (perhaps later) add a way to configure a nickname for a signet, to allow easy selection on commandline?
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5452022-02-24T20:01:18 <jeremyrubin> and i guess for backwards compat, just signet is the default one?
5462022-02-24T20:01:24 <sipa> right
5472022-02-24T20:01:28 <laanwj> right, "how to avoid collisions" and "how to configure signets user friendly" are more or less separate problems
5482022-02-24T20:01:39 <sipa> laanwj: exactly
5492022-02-24T20:01:46 <jeremyrubin> i dont think we need the signet_hashchallenge in the config section
5502022-02-24T20:01:52 <jeremyrubin> it's redundant with the signetchallenge field
5512022-02-24T20:02:11 <jeremyrubin> so maybe we can just infer it
5522022-02-24T20:02:38 <jeremyrubin> [anynameyoulike] signet=1 signetchallenge=x and infer it?
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5542022-02-24T20:03:17 <jeremyrubin> i'll see if i can put something together with that
5552022-02-24T20:03:20 <laanwj> we're running out of time
5562022-02-24T20:03:27 <achow101> could be problematic if you did [test] signet=1
5572022-02-24T20:03:48 <achow101> I liked the [signet.xyz] suggestion, and just parse the xyz name from that
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5592022-02-24T20:04:07 <jamesob> achow: +1
5602022-02-24T20:04:07 <jeremyrubin> thanks :)
5612022-02-24T20:04:15 <laanwj> achow101: yes, seems better to be explicit
5622022-02-24T20:04:41 <laanwj> minimize potential ambigiousness
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5642022-02-24T20:05:27 <laanwj> anyhow, time to close the meeting, thanks everyone for attending
5652022-02-24T20:05:30 <laanwj> #endmeeting
5662022-02-24T20:05:30 <core-meetingbot`> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
5672022-02-24T20:05:30 <core-meetingbot`> Meeting ended Thu Feb 24 20:05:30 2022 UTC.
5682022-02-24T20:05:30 <core-meetingbot`> Minutes: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2022/bitcoin-core-dev.2022-02-24-19.00.moin.txt
5692022-02-24T20:06:12 <kanzure> hi
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5712022-02-24T20:08:02 <laanwj> hi
5722022-02-24T20:08:15 <sipa> hi
5732022-02-24T20:10:24 <jeremyrubin> hi
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5752022-02-24T20:11:29 <michaelfolkson> Any meeting topics?
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5772022-02-24T20:12:49 <prayank> I did not ask this earlier because it could be OT. Is anyone in touch with it hebasto? I am assuming he was in Ukraine, there are lot of problems there, did not see him active since last 24 hours on Github or Twitter or meeting.
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5832022-02-24T20:23:26 <laanwj> yes, we're in touch with him
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5922022-02-24T20:56:33 <prayank> laanwj: thanks for sharing. hoping he is okay.
5932022-02-24T20:56:58 <prayank> Can you explain this comment so that I don't interpret this in my own way? https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-02-24#783144;
5942022-02-24T20:56:59 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/783144 | HTTP Error 404: Not Found
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5992022-02-24T21:05:51 <michaelfolkson> prayank: It was in response to this https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-02-24#783133;
6002022-02-24T21:05:52 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/783133 | HTTP Error 404: Not Found
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6032022-02-24T21:10:15 <prayank> michaelfolkson: thanks
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6062022-02-24T21:11:30 <bitcoin-git> [gui] rebroad opened pull request #559: Network graph improvements (master...NetworkGraphImprovements) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/559
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6122022-02-24T21:33:31 <glozow> hi there, missed the meeting but fwiw iâm happy to review peopleâs mempool PRs - feel free to ping me
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