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1402022-03-10T08:01:12  <ziggie> jeremyrubin> e.g. fill-or-kill-by-date?  Yes
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1422022-03-10T08:03:59  <laanwj> from what i remember one significant problem with that was fragility under reorg conditions; e.g. a reorg would put the transactions in different blocks, possibly making all transactions after the locked transaction invalid because it's expired
1432022-03-10T08:04:40  <sipa> One problem with that is that it isn't reorg-safe: in an (innocent) reorg, if the transaction got confirmed and had descendants, and can't get into the replacement block by the same height/time, it gets invalidated along with all its children.
1442022-03-10T08:05:38  <sipa> Another is that it makes reasoning about confirmations much harder for wallets as the timeout point gets closer, because you need to reason about probabilities of it getting confirmed before that time.
1452022-03-10T08:08:49  <MarcoFalke> sdaftuar: (re CI failure) The CI is re-run every week on all pull requests to catch silent merge conflict early. This will also mean that the usual false positives (like network errors) might be hit during the re-run. In your instance, it looks like GitHub went down (https://cirrus-ci.com/task/5260393814687744?logs=ci#L2031) so it is fine to just re-run.
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1472022-03-10T08:14:08  <laanwj> provoostenator: it's probably been screaming that for half a year or so :) (depending on when you upgraded tor to a post-v2 version)
1482022-03-10T08:15:11  <ziggie> <laanwj> <sipa> thank you
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1502022-03-10T08:23:35  <laanwj> provoostenator: so that leaves two ways to go (1) strip tor and rudimentary I2P support from the crawler (2) add both (e.g. https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder/issues/92), both are valid ways to go depending on what is deemed to be the scope of it (and whoever implements it)
1512022-03-10T08:24:36  <sipa> I think over time we should implement (2), and also change it from publishing through DNS to just listening on Bitcoin P2P and responding to getaddr.
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1532022-03-10T08:25:37  <laanwj> sipa: thanks, yes that makes sense
1542022-03-10T08:26:45  <sipa> that way it isn't restricted to a single port, can convey service flags, etc...
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1722022-03-10T09:08:39  <_aj_> sipa: i guess querying SRV records is still ugly compared to getaddrinfo
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1752022-03-10T09:09:31  <sipa> I don't think there is a portable way of doing that (besides having your own DNS implementation)
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1822022-03-10T09:26:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a84650e klementtan: util: Fix ReadBinaryFile reading beyond maxsize
1832022-03-10T09:26:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5e33620 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24371: util: Fix `ReadBinaryFile` reading beyond max...
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1862022-03-10T09:26:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24371: util: Fix `ReadBinaryFile` reading beyond maxsize (master...fix-readwritefile) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24371
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1932022-03-10T09:45:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to 23.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cbdfb46b55a2...430808ab13d9
1942022-03-10T09:45:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 4607f70 Ryan Ofsky: test: Add tests for GetArg methods / settings.json type coercion
1952022-03-10T09:45:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 7e1b968 Ryan Ofsky: qt: Avoid crash on startup if int specified in settings.json
1962022-03-10T09:45:20  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 430808a fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24511: [23.x] qt: Avoid crash on startup if int spec...
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1992022-03-10T09:45:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24511: [23.x] qt: Avoid crash on startup if int specified in settings.json (23.x...23.x-settings-json-crash) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24511
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2022022-03-10T09:47:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24514: [23.x] Second round signapple backports (M1) (23.x...second_round_signapple_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24514
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2142022-03-10T10:22:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5e33620ad813...05957a888de9
2152022-03-10T10:22:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 20b6c87 Hennadii Stepanov: build: Specify `zeromq` port explicitly for MSVC builds
2162022-03-10T10:22:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7ff43e5 Hennadii Stepanov: ci: Invalidate vcpkg binary cache if dependencies changed
2172022-03-10T10:22:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c3296b2 Hennadii Stepanov: build: Drop `double-conversion` from MSVC dependencies
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2202022-03-10T10:22:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24516: build, ci: Fix MSVC builds and other improvements (master...220310-msvc-ci) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24516
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2222022-03-10T10:25:37  <achow101> rc2 soon?
2232022-03-10T10:25:49  <fanquake> yes
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2292022-03-10T10:45:33  <jonatack> opened #24512 for 23.0, if anyone would like to tag it
2302022-03-10T10:45:34  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24512 | [23.x] init, doc: improve -onlynet help and related tor/i2p documentation by jonatack · Pull Request #24512 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2312022-03-10T10:48:48  <jonatack> "TeresaHodges764" is spamming the bitcoin core repo
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2332022-03-10T10:49:30  <fanquake> they've already been blocked
2342022-03-10T10:49:59  <jonatack> thx
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2372022-03-10T10:55:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to 23.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2bd5fdbceda5...71866d856679
2382022-03-10T10:55:49  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 60ca24a laanwj: build: Bump to 23.0rc2
2392022-03-10T10:55:49  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/23.x 71866d8 laanwj: doc: Update manual pages for rc2
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2422022-03-10T10:56:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed tag v23.0rc2: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/v23.0rc2
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2442022-03-10T10:57:22  <fanquake> 🚀
2452022-03-10T10:58:36  <laanwj> jonatack: i'm not sure i understand the rationale for backporting that, i mean it's not risky but also isn't a bugfix
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2502022-03-10T11:15:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #24519: doc: update multisig-tutorial.md to descriptor wallet by default (master...multisig-tutorial-update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24519
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2542022-03-10T11:16:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #24520: guix: only check for the macOS SDK once (master...check_macOS_SDK_one_time) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24520
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2592022-03-10T11:31:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/05957a888de9...d1a940f729a7
2602022-03-10T11:31:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e802310 fanquake: guix: only check for the macOS SDK once
2612022-03-10T11:31:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d1a940f Andrew Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24520: guix: only check for the macOS SDK once
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2642022-03-10T11:31:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #24520: guix: only check for the macOS SDK once (master...check_macOS_SDK_one_time) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24520
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2732022-03-10T11:52:09  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2f5fd3c Ryan Ofsky: test: Correctly decode UTF-8 literal string paths
2742022-03-10T11:52:09  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 76d44e8 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24469: test: Correctly decode UTF-8 literal string p...
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2772022-03-10T11:52:25  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24469: test: Correctly decode UTF-8 literal string paths (master...pr/testu) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24469
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2832022-03-10T12:06:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #24415: build: Fix Boost.Process test for Boost 1.78 (master...220222-boost) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24415
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2872022-03-10T12:08:42  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #24521: build: Fix Boost.Process detection on macOS arm64 (master...220310-boost) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24521
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2902022-03-10T12:16:52  <jonatack> laanwj: oops having connection issues here. PR 24512 is to fix the -onlynet docs that are somewhat incorrect as a follow-up to the onlynet changes in v23, there is seemingly user confusion related to it and my thinking was that docs could be backported. happy to close too if it doesn't pass the backport bar :)
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2942022-03-10T12:41:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/76d44e832f5b...4f5d3ce5a059
2952022-03-10T12:41:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8ea6167 Sebastian Falbesoner: wallet: refactor: dedup sqlite blob binding
2962022-03-10T12:41:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4f5d3ce fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24486: wallet: refactor: dedup sqlite blob binding
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2992022-03-10T12:41:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24486: wallet: refactor: dedup sqlite blob binding (master...202203-wallet-refactor-dedup_sqlite_blob_binding) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24486
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3082022-03-10T13:14:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #24522: ci: remove compiled-but-unused BDB from MSAN job (master...remove_unused_bdb_msan) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24522
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3112022-03-10T13:15:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag opened pull request #24523: build: Fix Boost.Process test for Boost 1.78 (master...220222-boost) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24523
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3182022-03-10T13:27:24  <fanquake> detached signatures for rc2 and now pushed
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3262022-03-10T13:58:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4f5d3ce5a059...6c37eae0ad94
3272022-03-10T13:58:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faa1aec MarcoFalke: Remove confusing P1008R1 violation in ATMPArgs
3282022-03-10T13:58:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6c37eae fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24404: refactor: Remove confusing P1008R1 violation ...
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3312022-03-10T13:58:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #24404: refactor: Remove confusing P1008R1 violation in ATMPArgs (master...2202-cpp🥲) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24404
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3422022-03-10T14:22:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #23534: wallet: Allow negative effective value inputs when subtracting fee from outputs (master...no-change-fee-w-sffo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23534
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3452022-03-10T14:24:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6c37eae0ad94...597ee30b5e23
3462022-03-10T14:24:29  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3566353 fanquake: ci: remove compiled-but-unused BDB from MSAN job
3472022-03-10T14:24:29  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 597ee30 MarcoFalke: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#24522: ci: remove compiled-but-unused BDB from MSAN ...
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3502022-03-10T14:24:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #24522: ci: remove compiled-but-unused BDB from MSAN job (master...remove_unused_bdb_msan) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24522
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3532022-03-10T14:31:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #24524: doc: remove Boost LDFLAGS from netBSD build docs (master...remove_boost_ldflags) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24524
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3622022-03-10T14:54:57  <fanquake> I've checked thatt the M1 binary is correctly codesign, and runs on an M1
3632022-03-10T14:55:15  <fanquake> You still need to perform the Right-click and open step, due to it not being notarized.
3642022-03-10T14:56:27  <hebasto> fanquake: great!
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3662022-03-10T14:57:53  <bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #563: qt: Remove network detection based on address in BIP21 (master...2022-03-remove-autodetect-code) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/563
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3692022-03-10T14:58:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/597ee30b5e23...93feabcb30e3
3702022-03-10T14:58:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b7dbc83 laanwj: qt: Remove network detection based on address in BIP21
3712022-03-10T14:58:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 93feabc Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#563: qt: Remove network detection based on address ...
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3732022-03-10T14:58:15  <sdaftuar> MarcoFalke: thanks for the explanation!
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3932022-03-10T15:34:55  <sdaftuar> _aj_: for adding m_disable_tx to getpeerinfo() output -- do you have a viewpoint on whether we should expose the variable (which represents what the peer has sent us), or the idea (do we believe that transaction relay is disabled on this link)?
3942022-03-10T15:36:08  <sdaftuar> ie for peers that don't support disabletx, we might still think relay is disabled because (eg) we selected the peer to be block-relay-only and sent fRelay=0 and disabletx, and would disconnect if we received an inv.
3952022-03-10T15:37:01  <sdaftuar> anyway i could try to expose either of those ideas, just the variable is simplest but occurred to me that it might not be the most useful? unsure
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4012022-03-10T15:57:16  <_aj_> sdaftuar: we've got relaytxes and connection_type=blocks-only already exposed, so just m_disable_tx status seems fine to me
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4042022-03-10T16:06:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #24526: build: don't install deprecated libevent headers (master...dont_install_deprecated_libevent_headers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24526
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4422022-03-10T17:56:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #23861: build: Update Guix build free space requirements (master...211224-kib) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23861
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4582022-03-10T18:46:34  <jeremyrubin> do pruned nodes store block filters?
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4602022-03-10T18:50:58  <lightlike> since #15946, they can
4612022-03-10T18:51:03  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15946 | Allow maintaining the blockfilterindex when using prune by jonasschnelli · Pull Request #15946 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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4632022-03-10T19:00:10  <MarcoFalke> hi
4642022-03-10T19:00:16  <laanwj> #startmeeting
4652022-03-10T19:00:16  <core-meetingbot`> Meeting started Thu Mar 10 19:00:15 2022 UTC.  The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
4662022-03-10T19:00:16  <core-meetingbot`> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
4672022-03-10T19:00:20  <jonatack> hi
4682022-03-10T19:00:25  <sdaftuar> hi
4692022-03-10T19:00:33  <michaelfolkson> hi
4702022-03-10T19:00:34  <laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball
4712022-03-10T19:00:36  <laanwj> morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
4722022-03-10T19:00:38  <dongcarl> hi
4732022-03-10T19:00:42  <sipa> hi
4742022-03-10T19:00:46  <kvaciral[m]> hi
4752022-03-10T19:00:46  <provoostenator> hi
4762022-03-10T19:00:56  <lightlike> hi
4772022-03-10T19:01:02  <hebasto> hi
4782022-03-10T19:01:03  <achow101> hi
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4802022-03-10T19:01:30  <laanwj> PSA: 23.0rc1 had some build issues, so 23.0rc2 was tagged today with fixes for that, please start your guix builds if you haven't yet
4812022-03-10T19:01:32  <jeremyrubin> hello
4822022-03-10T19:01:35  <darosior> hi
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4842022-03-10T19:02:01  <laanwj> any topics for today? none have been proposed during the week with #proposedmeetingtopic, as far as i can see
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4862022-03-10T19:02:51  <MarcoFalke> Can I haz #24080 for hi-prio pls?
4872022-03-10T19:02:52  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24080 | policy: Remove unused locktime flags by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #24080 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4882022-03-10T19:03:00  <laanwj> we're not at the high prio topic yet, but sure
4892022-03-10T19:03:21  <MarcoFalke> ups
4902022-03-10T19:03:40  <glozow> hi
4912022-03-10T19:04:05  <laanwj> #topic High priority for review
4922022-03-10T19:04:05  <core-meetingbot`> topic: High priority for review
4932022-03-10T19:04:11  <laanwj> MarcoFalke: added
4942022-03-10T19:04:14  <MarcoFalke> thx
4952022-03-10T19:04:15  <sipsorcery> hi
4962022-03-10T19:04:32  <provoostenator> I'd still like to get this into v23 if if survives more review: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/555
4972022-03-10T19:04:45  <provoostenator> (already tagged with the milestone, so I guess not high prio list needed)
4982022-03-10T19:04:46  <laanwj> is there anything else people want to add to high priority for review, or to remove, or that is ready for merge?
4992022-03-10T19:05:01  <dongcarl> Could I have #24322 for high prio? Will update within the next hour with the changes just discussed in #bitcoin-core-builds (shouldn't change much)
5002022-03-10T19:05:03  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24322 | [kernel 1/n] Introduce initial `libbitcoinkernel` by dongcarl · Pull Request #24322 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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5022022-03-10T19:05:17  <laanwj> provoostenator: is that a bugfix?
5032022-03-10T19:06:16  <laanwj> dongcarl: added
5042022-03-10T19:06:24  <dongcarl> thx!
5052022-03-10T19:06:46  <provoostenator> laanwj: yes
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5072022-03-10T19:07:03  <provoostenator> Well at least it fixes a regression compared to v22
5082022-03-10T19:07:37  <laanwj> provoostenator: makes sense then, it wasn't clear to me from the title enabling the send button sounded more like a feature
5092022-03-10T19:08:13  <provoostenator> Good point,  renamed to more dramatic word choice: restore
5102022-03-10T19:08:31  <laanwj> yess
5112022-03-10T19:09:13  <fjahr> hi
5122022-03-10T19:09:34  <MarcoFalke> (off-topic: My C++20 patch is now ready #24169. Not sure if this needs discussion, if it does, then this is my topic suggestion)
5132022-03-10T19:09:35  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24169 | build: Add --enable-c++20 option by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #24169 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5142022-03-10T19:11:30  <laanwj> good to know, i don't think that particular PR needs discussion, only if the goal is to make c++20 a minimum requirement
5152022-03-10T19:11:46  <laanwj> but i suppose that's still some time away
5162022-03-10T19:12:27  <sipa> @MarcoFalke cool
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5182022-03-10T19:12:41  <MarcoFalke> Yes, the minimum will be changed later (not sure when)
5192022-03-10T19:12:45  <sipa> (i don't think there is much more to discuss about that either)
5202022-03-10T19:13:18  <laanwj> is there any pressing reason for c++20?
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5222022-03-10T19:13:27  <laanwj> in the context of our project
5232022-03-10T19:13:31  <MarcoFalke> Yeah, the pull shouldn't affect anyone unless they opt-in
5242022-03-10T19:14:05  <MarcoFalke> laanwj: named arguments (which work since clang 3) were only officially added in C++20
5252022-03-10T19:14:25  <laanwj> ok
5262022-03-10T19:14:31  <jonatack> will try it. there are also some niceties in std::chrono and std::algorithm that I would have liked to use
5272022-03-10T19:15:00  <jonatack> (so far)
5282022-03-10T19:15:08  <sipa> it's not like you can actually use them with this already, except inside #if #else variants.
5292022-03-10T19:15:30  <sipa> This is really just to make sure that our codebase is c++20 compliant (as well as c++17 compliant)
5302022-03-10T19:15:35  <MarcoFalke> See also #23363
5312022-03-10T19:15:36  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/23363 | Discussion: Upgrading to C++20 · Issue #23363 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5322022-03-10T19:16:28  <laanwj> it seems a bit eary to break compatibility with compilers again
5332022-03-10T19:16:28  <dongcarl> MarcoFalke: Named arguments would really help my branch removing argsmanager from validation, where I introduce a few Options structs, alas perhaps too early to bump min C++
5342022-03-10T19:17:25  <laanwj> sipa: yes, making sure it can be compiled with c++20 makes sense of course
5352022-03-10T19:17:49  <MarcoFalke> Named arguments choke only the msvc C++17 compiler, so as a hack we could bump msvc to C++20 and then start using named args with C++17 on clang/gcc
5362022-03-10T19:17:51  <_aj_> dongcarl: have you seen https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24032/commits/3d3724e95b34931a4de8d31450f33ef0a32965e7#diff-ff53e63501a5e89fd650b378c9708274df8ad5d38fcffa6c64be417c4d438b6dR376-R382 ? gives fake named arguments
5372022-03-10T19:17:51  * MarcoFalke hides
5382022-03-10T19:18:24  <sipa> GCC only fully supports C++20 as of GCC 11, which was released 9 momths ago. It'll be a few years I think before we can assume common platforms have it available.
5392022-03-10T19:18:51  <laanwj> right
5402022-03-10T19:19:03  <jonatack> oh
5412022-03-10T19:19:05  <sipa> or even some parts in GCC 12
5422022-03-10T19:19:07  <dongcarl> sipa: True
5432022-03-10T19:19:22  <dongcarl> MarcoFalke: No flag on msvc to enable _just_ named arguments?
5442022-03-10T19:19:23  <MarcoFalke> At least Ubuntu/Debian seem agressive in backporting compilers
5452022-03-10T19:19:40  <laanwj> i dont't think we should be jumping on bumping the minimum gcc faster and faster
5462022-03-10T19:19:47  <dongcarl> _aj_: Lol very cool hack!
5472022-03-10T19:20:21  <sipa> It's true that the guix based build allows us to go a bit faster, but still..m
5482022-03-10T19:21:09  * jeremyrubin sends aj to c++ jail
5492022-03-10T19:21:54  <sipa> and removes all his friend classes?
5502022-03-10T19:22:01  <MarcoFalke> Right, I am not too happy that this needs bumping so far
5512022-03-10T19:22:33  <MarcoFalke> Let's see how many people will complain about the gcc-8 minimum in 23.x
5522022-03-10T19:22:43  <laanwj> _aj_: scary lol
5532022-03-10T19:24:26  <MarcoFalke> Though, designated initializers is already implemented in gcc-8
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5562022-03-10T19:26:46  <laanwj> gcc 8 was released in 2018, hopefully not too many
5572022-03-10T19:27:39  <MarcoFalke> dongcarl: Not aware of a flag for that, but I don't think our msvc users are running that old software, so at least for them C++20 shouldn't be an issue
5582022-03-10T19:28:12  <laanwj> and yes guix allows bumping faster, though, it's generally nice if it's possible to build bitcoind with a platforms' existing compiler as-is
5592022-03-10T19:29:22  <laanwj> for MSVC there's less reason to support old versions
5602022-03-10T19:30:15  <dongcarl> +1 "it's generally nice if it's possible to build bitcoind with a platforms' existing compiler as-is"
5612022-03-10T19:30:30  <sipa> indeed
5622022-03-10T19:31:12  <_aj_> jeremyrubin: i'm not stuck in here with c++, c++ is stuck in here with me
5632022-03-10T19:31:39  <laanwj> any other topics for today?
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5662022-03-10T19:32:29  <MarcoFalke> So would people object using C++17 + designated initializers?
5672022-03-10T19:33:11  <sipa> I'm not very much a fan of enabling features too selectively, but I guess if there is a good reason?
5682022-03-10T19:33:15  <jonatack> I think I agree with sipa's comment against whitelisting features granularly
5692022-03-10T19:33:17  <dongcarl> I'd support it since it's been in gcc and clang for so long, but I don't know the msvc situation
5702022-03-10T19:33:26  <sipa> *granularly
5712022-03-10T19:33:43  <MarcoFalke> Seems slightly preferable to me than to implement designated initializers ourselves
5722022-03-10T19:33:44  <laanwj> it's a bit weird to conform to a standard but then make an exception, then again, like with browsers it seems that there's so little competition that "if it works with gcc and clang" is all that matters...
5732022-03-10T19:34:26  <jeremyrubin> building our own c++ compiler seems like something we'll do at some point
5742022-03-10T19:34:52  <laanwj> so i don't have a big problem with it either
5752022-03-10T19:34:56  <dongcarl> I found it very useful in mostly heterogenous structs to make sure I'm not setting the wrong element, or to set only a subset of elements and leave the rest to default.
5762022-03-10T19:35:00  <laanwj> jeremyrubin: who is this we
5772022-03-10T19:35:10  <MarcoFalke> Just saying, if we want #24032, then it seems we want designated initializers. If not, then well no need to discuss ;)
5782022-03-10T19:35:12  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24032 | Refactor vDeployments setup to avoid uninitialized variables by ajtowns · Pull Request #24032 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5792022-03-10T19:35:19  <dongcarl> You could do it in other ways, but it's much nicer with designated initializers
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5812022-03-10T19:36:14  <dongcarl> other ways = clang-tidy annotations / Options foo{}; foo.this_particular_item = 0; foo.that_particular_item = 5;
5822022-03-10T19:36:22  <MarcoFalke> yeah, a workaround could be to add a constructor to the struct that takes all arguments and then use clang-tidy's named argument check
5832022-03-10T19:37:06  <_aj_> (foo.this=1; foo.that=2; prevents "foo" from being const)
5842022-03-10T19:37:19  <dongcarl> _aj_: TRUE! I ran into that ytd
5852022-03-10T19:37:36  <jeremyrubin> _aj_: you can rebind it after to a const?
5862022-03-10T19:37:40  <jeremyrubin> if it's moveable
5872022-03-10T19:37:50  <_aj_> jeremyrubin: or wrap it in a function, sure
5882022-03-10T19:38:00  <laanwj> so to be clear, using designated initializers works right now, without any build system changes?
5892022-03-10T19:38:15  <laanwj> and without bumping minimum compiler versions
5902022-03-10T19:38:34  <MarcoFalke> const Options foo{[]{ Options _foo{}; _foo.a =  0; _foo.b = 1; return _foo; }()};
5912022-03-10T19:39:02  <MarcoFalke> laanwj: Yes, we already did that a long time ago
5922022-03-10T19:39:08  <dongcarl> MarcoFalke: 🤮
5932022-03-10T19:39:29  <MarcoFalke> laanwj: Only found out when we started compiling the code (fuzz tests) with msvc
5942022-03-10T19:39:33  <dongcarl> MarcoFalke: Oh it doesn't fail on msvc? It's just review that's stopping designated initializers?
5952022-03-10T19:39:37  <laanwj> i mean in that case i don't see a big problem with using them
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5972022-03-10T19:40:19  <MarcoFalke> dongcarl: It does fail msvc. Though, bumping msvc to c++20 should fix that issue.
5982022-03-10T19:40:23  <laanwj> bump the msvc requirement to c++20
5992022-03-10T19:40:25  <_aj_> https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support -- lists Apple's Clang as only having partial support
6002022-03-10T19:40:25  <laanwj> right
6012022-03-10T19:41:21  <MarcoFalke> Jup, but that should be the same partial support that clang-7 has
6022022-03-10T19:41:35  <laanwj> so we can only use the partial support
6032022-03-10T19:41:54  <MarcoFalke> Right
6042022-03-10T19:41:57  <laanwj> if that isn't enough then there's no need to bother
6052022-03-10T19:42:04  * dongcarl wonders if we should start using {fmt} in preparation for C++20 std::format
6062022-03-10T19:42:27  <_aj_> sgtm
6072022-03-10T19:43:12  <MarcoFalke> dongcarl: std::format lands with improvements in C++23, so is it ready for production in C++20 already?
6082022-03-10T19:43:45  <Earnest> Is there an issue/pr for dumpwallet with descriptor wallets?
6092022-03-10T19:44:07  <dongcarl> MarcoFalke: oh perhaps not, haven't looked into it yet. {fmt} is compatible with C++20 std::format and has users, so I assume it's somewhat usable?
6102022-03-10T19:44:26  <Earnest> Or will that be replaced with new 'listdescriptors true' rpc?
6112022-03-10T19:44:39  <laanwj> i dont think there is an urgent reason to switch to another way of string formatting
6122022-03-10T19:44:55  <MarcoFalke> The designated initializers partial support doesn't allow braces, which no one should be using anyway unless required
6132022-03-10T19:45:24  <dongcarl> laanwj: Right, not urgent at all
6142022-03-10T19:47:27  <laanwj> replacing tinyformat is something we can do after c++20 or even c++23
6152022-03-10T19:48:01  <dongcarl> Yup!
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6172022-03-10T19:48:23  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mzumsande opened pull request #24527: test: set segwit height back to 0 on regtest (master...202203_regtest_segwitheight) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/24527
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6192022-03-10T19:48:29  <_aj_> replacing tinyformat sounds like a lot of lines of code to change
6202022-03-10T19:48:54  <laanwj> but it could be mechanical, maybe
6212022-03-10T19:49:14  <laanwj> given that format strings map in some way
6222022-03-10T19:49:45  <laanwj> in any case, it's not urgent
6232022-03-10T19:49:47  <laanwj> any other topics?
6242022-03-10T19:51:41  <laanwj> #endmeeting
6252022-03-10T19:51:41  <core-meetingbot`> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
6262022-03-10T19:51:41  <core-meetingbot`> Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 19:51:41 2022 UTC.
6272022-03-10T19:51:41  <core-meetingbot`> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2022/bitcoin-core-dev.2022-03-10-19.00.moin.txt
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6452022-03-10T20:57:02  <luke-jr> #24294 should probably be in 23.x or closed :/
6462022-03-10T20:57:04  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/24294 | RPC: Switch getblockfrompeer back to standard param names blockhash and nodeid by luke-jr · Pull Request #24294 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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6492022-03-10T21:13:22  <jonatack> luke-jr: or perhaps updated to snakecase "status-next" (if not used elsewhere, seems no) and "blockhash" in getdeploymentinfo
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