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42022-06-17T00:37:00 <kallewoof> What's not ready about it? <luke-lr: I don't think BIP 322 itself is ready>
52022-06-17T00:37:11 <kallewoof> *luke-jr
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942022-06-17T07:12:19 <laanwj> is something unclear to you in the motivation https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0322.mediawiki#Motivation ?
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1232022-06-17T08:43:18 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #25394: build: add *_STANDARD vars to depends gen_id (master...cache_bust_cxx_c_standard) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25394
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1552022-06-17T13:11:04 <vasild> I wonder about this strange behavior: both NET_UNROUTABLE and NET_INTERNAL are set to "reachable" (as in IsReachable() returns true) by default and that cannot even be changed by SetReachable(NET_INTERNAL, false);
1562022-06-17T13:12:03 <vasild> Why is that? I do not think they should be reachable or even more - I do not think we should ever call IsReachable(NET_UNROUTABLE) or IsReachable(NET_INTERNAL)
1572022-06-17T13:13:10 <vasild> So, it is probably irrelevant whether they are reachable or not because we never ask, except in the LimitedAndReachable_NetworkCaseUnroutableAndInternal unit test
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1612022-06-17T14:06:42 <vasild> ok, at least IsReachable(NET_UNROUTABLE) could be called from PeerManagerImpl::ProcessMessage() if we receive an address from unknown addrv2 network
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1642022-06-17T14:09:30 <sipa> vasild: Uh, my guess would be that it's just "these can't be updated because they're irrelevant", and this logic predates BIP155.
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1662022-06-17T14:11:57 <vasild> sipa: I added assert(net != NET_UNROUTABLE); assert(net != NET_INTERNAL); inside IsReachable(). unit tests did not fail, but some functional tests failed, e.g. p2p_invalid_messages.py
1672022-06-17T14:12:29 <vasild> So, my assumption that we never call IsReachable() on those 2 nets is wrong.
1682022-06-17T14:13:16 <vasild> Its probably possible to avoid that but would require some effort.
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1772022-06-17T15:04:23 <lightlike> Though I don't think we rely on them being reachable, I'd suspect that if we set the default to non-reachable, everything should still work, and we'd save some time by not attempting to add these addresses to addrman (the point at which they are discarded now).
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1812022-06-17T15:58:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/874529665c1c...3b3c66f85959
1822022-06-17T15:58:09 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 84e56b4 fanquake: scripts: remove no-longer-needed ignored exports
1832022-06-17T15:58:10 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3b3c66f laanwj: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25392: scripts: remove no-longer-needed ignored expo...
1842022-06-17T15:58:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #25392: scripts: remove no-longer-needed ignored exports (master...drop_no_longer_needed_export_ignores) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25392
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2072022-06-17T19:00:39 <achow101> #startmeeting
2082022-06-17T19:00:39 <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Fri Jun 17 19:00:39 2022 UTC. The chair is achow101. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
2092022-06-17T19:00:39 <core-meetingbot> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
2102022-06-17T19:00:43 <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack josibake jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos Murch nehan NicolasDorier
2112022-06-17T19:00:43 <achow101> paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK sipa vasild
2122022-06-17T19:00:50 <instagibbs> hi
2132022-06-17T19:00:53 <Murch> Hi
2142022-06-17T19:01:02 <provoostenator> hi
2152022-06-17T19:01:03 <furszy> hi
2162022-06-17T19:01:07 <achow101> There are no pre-proposed wallet meeting topics. Does anyone have anything to discuss?
2172022-06-17T19:01:23 <provoostenator> Not really
2182022-06-17T19:01:30 <kanzure> hi
2192022-06-17T19:02:20 <achow101> any prs we should be prioritizing?
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2212022-06-17T19:04:00 <achow101> or does anyone want to talk about what they're working on?
2222022-06-17T19:04:11 <fjahr> hi
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2242022-06-17T19:05:59 <Murch> I have found a coin selection approach that looks very promising in that it outperforms anything with Knapsack except in keeping the UTXO pool tiny.
2252022-06-17T19:06:06 <fjahr> maybe #25351 could get a 24.0 milestone tag? The predecessor had 21/22 tags.
2262022-06-17T19:06:08 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25351 | rpc, wallet: Scan mempool after import* - Second attempt by fjahr · Pull Request #25351 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2272022-06-17T19:06:18 <Murch> However, Knapsack is notorious for being too aggressive in consolidating.
2282022-06-17T19:07:12 <achow101> fjahr: added to the milestone
2292022-06-17T19:07:30 <instagibbs> Murch, still spends negative effective value, yeah?
2302022-06-17T19:07:32 <fjahr> achow101: thanks!
2312022-06-17T19:07:33 <achow101> Murch: Is the change in utxo pool explainable by not spending negative ev?
2322022-06-17T19:08:01 <Murch> Working on writing it up so that I hopefully can convince it does better or equally well in other regards while removing a bunch of worst case-outcomes we've seen in the past.
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2352022-06-17T19:08:46 <Murch> instagibbs: My idea is to allow that only at feerates < 2â¯á¹©/vB, while adding a FIFO selector.
2362022-06-17T19:08:58 <Murch> That way it does happen, but not when it hurts by paying 10Ã as much than necessary
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2382022-06-17T19:10:01 <Murch> Knapsack would often just tack it on with the next best transaction (since it reduces the change amount, and knapsack optimizes for smallest change)
2392022-06-17T19:10:33 <Murch> So, be it 10â¯á¹©/vB or be it 200â¯á¹©/vB, knapsack would grab it.
2402022-06-17T19:11:05 <achow101> have you simulated at low and high fee rates?
2412022-06-17T19:11:36 <Murch> Yeah, I have simulated with the peak-and-tail and the 2019â2020 scenario
2422022-06-17T19:12:26 <achow101> what about different scenaiors?
2432022-06-17T19:12:53 <Murch> I used the tiny bustabit scenario, though, so it's from the perspective of a wallet that gets twice as many deposits as it makes payments. I still need to run on other scenarios, although they're generally easier, because they are less imbalanced towards building a huge UTXO pool
2442022-06-17T19:14:19 <Murch> Anyway, if someone wants to seed some concerns that I should address, I'd be happy to hear you what your bar for convincing a change in the coin selection strategies would be ;)
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2462022-06-17T19:15:35 <achow101> cool, any other topics?
2472022-06-17T19:16:58 <furszy> from my side, have been implementing your suggestion in 25297
2482022-06-17T19:17:30 <furszy> and.. jumping across the sources a bit
2492022-06-17T19:18:21 <furszy> found few things doing it
2502022-06-17T19:19:15 <achow101> furszy: that's great, looking forward to those changes
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2522022-06-17T19:19:59 <furszy> yeah :), I still owe you finish 24914 review. It's at the top of my list.
2532022-06-17T19:21:44 <achow101> #endmeeting
2542022-06-17T19:21:45 <core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
2552022-06-17T19:21:45 <core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Fri Jun 17 19:21:44 2022 UTC.
2562022-06-17T19:21:45 <core-meetingbot> Minutes: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2022/bitcoin-core-dev.2022-06-17-19.00.moin.txt
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2582022-06-17T19:26:44 <furszy> btw achow101, about your recent comment in 24914
2592022-06-17T19:27:26 <furszy> so, if the wallet does not understand a flag then we will now notify the user that the software might be too old, right?
2602022-06-17T19:28:37 <achow101> we do that now, but with a different error message
2612022-06-17T19:29:16 <achow101> with returning CORRUPT, we say "wallet corrupted". But what we really want is "Wallet requires newer version" which we get with TOO_NEW
2622022-06-17T19:30:06 <achow101> but we log the more specific error either way
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2642022-06-17T19:31:29 <furszy> yeah, all good then.
2652022-06-17T19:31:52 <furszy> cool
2662022-06-17T19:47:49 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3b3c66f85959...015717e2b873
2672022-06-17T19:47:49 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 64f81a3 darosior: doc: Correct nPruneTarget misidentifying units of variable
2682022-06-17T19:47:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 241c4d0 Ben Woosley: doc: Correct comment describing value of MAX_FILE_SIZE_PSBT as in MiB
2692022-06-17T19:47:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 015717e laanwj: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25299: doc: Correct comments re. units of constants
2702022-06-17T19:47:54 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #25299: doc: Correct comments re. units of constants (master...2022-06-prune-target) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25299
2712022-06-17T19:54:07 <laanwj> hebasto, dongcarl: ping re #25281, does it make sense to remove this or is it simply something that will be required again in the near future
2722022-06-17T19:54:08 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25281 | build: Remove unused `LIBBITCOIN_KERNEL` variable by hebasto · Pull Request #25281 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2732022-06-17T19:54:34 <dongcarl> Oh apologies, let me take a look
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2752022-06-17T19:56:04 <dongcarl> Commented
2762022-06-17T19:57:38 <laanwj> dongcarl: thanks!
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2812022-06-17T20:04:58 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/015717e2b873...1b0469199bda
2822022-06-17T20:04:58 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ce1c810 Hennadii Stepanov: build: Remove unused `LIBBITCOIN_KERNEL` variable
2832022-06-17T20:04:58 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1b04691 laanwj: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25281: build: Remove unused `LIBBITCOIN_KERNEL` vari...
2842022-06-17T20:04:59 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #25281: build: Remove unused `LIBBITCOIN_KERNEL` variable (master...220605-kernel) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25281
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2862022-06-17T20:07:25 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1b0469199bda...e5df0ba0d97e
2872022-06-17T20:07:25 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b8c146b fanquake: build: systemtap 4.7
2882022-06-17T20:07:25 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e5df0ba laanwj: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25360: build: SystemTap 4.7 (RISC-V support)
2892022-06-17T20:07:25 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #25360: build: SystemTap 4.7 (RISC-V support) (master...systemtap_4_7) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25360
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2982022-06-17T20:45:04 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mzumsande opened pull request #25404: p2p, doc: Use MAX_BLOCKS_TO_ANNOUNCE consistently (master...202206_max_block_announce) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25404
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3012022-06-17T20:52:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e5df0ba0d97e...f8586b25f6a4
3022022-06-17T20:52:12 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1999dcf Sebastian Falbesoner: test: add helpers for creating P2TR scripts/addresses from output key
3032022-06-17T20:52:12 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dcf36fe Sebastian Falbesoner: test: implement 'bech32m' mode for `getnewdestination()` helper
3042022-06-17T20:52:12 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f8586b2 laanwj: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#25289: test: implement 'bech32m' mode for `getnewdes...
3052022-06-17T20:52:14 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #25289: test: implement 'bech32m' mode for `getnewdestination()` helper (master...202206-test-add_bech32m_mode_for_getnewdestination) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25289
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3232022-06-17T22:03:08 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4ce235e furszy: wallet: return 'CoinsResult' struct in `AvailableCoins`
3242022-06-17T22:03:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 10 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f8586b25f6a4...8be652e43964
3252022-06-17T22:03:09 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9472ca0 furszy: wallet: AvailableCoins, don't call 'wtx.tx->vout[i]' multiple times
3262022-06-17T22:03:09 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 91902b7 furszy: wallet: IsLockedCoin, 'COutPoint' arg instead of (hash, index)
3272022-06-17T22:03:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #25005: wallet: remove extra wtx lookup in 'AvailableCoins' + several code cleanups. (master...2022_availableBalance_improvements) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25005
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