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322022-10-18T03:24:32 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] nancy728 opened pull request #26329: nanci728 (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26329
332022-10-18T03:24:35 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] nancy728 closed pull request #26329: nanci728 (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26329
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712022-10-18T09:29:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] aureleoules opened pull request #26331: Implement `CCoinsViewErrorCatcher::HaveCoin` and check disk space periodically (master...2022-10-disk-space-problems-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26331
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842022-10-18T10:37:04 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] 0xB10C closed pull request #23624: zmq: add rawmempooltx publisher (master...2021-11-zmq-raw-mempool-tx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23624
852022-10-18T10:38:12 <b10c> ^ could get a up-for-grabs label: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23624#issuecomment-1282180731
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972022-10-18T11:46:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e7a0e9627196...ba441d493ce6
982022-10-18T11:46:27 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9e9ae61 fanquake: doc: remove library commentary from src/Makefile.am
992022-10-18T11:46:28 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master af781bf fanquake: doc: fix typo in doc/libraries.md
1002022-10-18T11:46:28 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ba441d4 MacroFake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26313: doc: consolidate library documentation to lib...
1012022-10-18T11:46:34 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #26313: doc: consolidate library documentation to libraries.md (master...lib_doc_consolidate) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26313
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1042022-10-18T11:58:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ba441d493ce6...5974c49f90ea
1052022-10-18T11:58:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d6adbb7 Hennadii Stepanov: Adjust `.tx/config` for new Transifex CLI
1062022-10-18T11:58:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5974c49 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26321: Adjust `.tx/config` for new Transifex CLI
1072022-10-18T11:58:39 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #26321: Adjust `.tx/config` for new Transifex CLI (master...221015-tx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26321
1082022-10-18T12:00:16 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to 24.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/032ceb189acd...bb5bcf32baeb
1092022-10-18T12:00:17 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/24.x d216d71 fanquake: Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite package if it is available"
1102022-10-18T12:00:17 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/24.x bb5bcf3 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#26327: [24.x] Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite p...
1112022-10-18T12:00:20 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #26327: [24.x] Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite package if it is available" (24.x...revert_slow_macos_sqlite) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26327
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1232022-10-18T13:35:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #26332: [24.x] Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite package if it is available" (master...revert_slow_macos_sqlite_23_x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26332
1242022-10-18T13:35:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #26332: [24.x] Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite package if it is available" (master...revert_slow_macos_sqlite_23_x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26332
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1362022-10-18T15:05:42 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #26334: Add Signet launch shortcut for Windows (master...2022/10/windows-signet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26334
1372022-10-18T15:14:41 <instagibbs> #proposedmeetingtopic defer fullrbf for 24.0(or not) #26323
1382022-10-18T15:14:43 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26323 | Make full RBF default, but defer mainnet enablement by ajtowns · Pull Request #26323 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1532022-10-18T16:14:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #26335: Guix documentation improvements (master...2022/10/guix-doc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26335
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1732022-10-18T17:38:28 <luke-jr> instagibbs: aka add DRM/malware
1742022-10-18T17:38:51 <halosghost> luke-jr: ?
1752022-10-18T17:47:20 <instagibbs> halosghost, I suspect he is saying removing user options is bad, in unartful language. Disagreement is why I'm proposing the topic.
1762022-10-18T17:48:13 <halosghost> instagibbs: I appreciate the interpretation; not sure I would have gotten from âadd DRM/malwareâ to âremoving a user featureâ on my own.
1772022-10-18T17:49:01 <instagibbs> I think DRM would be like "you can't run your node how you like, for possibly paternalistic reasons that have nothing to do with your node safety"
1782022-10-18T17:49:40 <instagibbs> Anyhow, looking forward for progress, hoping we can agree on MVP to move on from the subject :)
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1812022-10-18T18:01:15 <halosghost> ð¤·
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2182022-10-18T20:52:52 <luke-jr> instagibbs: I'm saying artificially disregarding a supported user option until a certain timestamp is DRM
2192022-10-18T20:53:52 <luke-jr> it's fundamentally the same thing as forced ads, or playback regions
2202022-10-18T20:53:56 <sipa> I think the word you're looking for is "anti feature" (something which the user would not want/expect, and is more work than not implementing it).
2212022-10-18T20:54:34 <halosghost> ^
2222022-10-18T20:54:57 <sipa> DRM is an example of an anti-feature, but seems pretty unrelated.
2232022-10-18T20:55:00 <halosghost> region locking is both an anti-feature, and DRM; but most of the things listed so far don't hit me as DRM
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2252022-10-18T20:55:05 <halosghost> sipa: beat me to it âº
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2272022-10-18T20:56:28 <luke-jr> I don't see how it _isn't_ DRM. It's clearly restricting access to a feature.
2282022-10-18T20:56:41 <Earnestly> "Artificially limiting a feature until such a time as the owners feel access is allowed isn't related to DRM"
2292022-10-18T20:57:35 <sipa> Eh, I interpret DRM to be specific to technology to enforce copyright (what rights does the R stand for otherwise?). But that's turning into a semantics discussion.
2302022-10-18T20:57:58 <luke-jr> Earnestly: no, it's ignoring the owner's request
2312022-10-18T20:58:54 <Earnestly> luke-jr: owners here are those who own bitcoin-core, not the node operator
2322022-10-18T20:59:17 <luke-jr> the node operator owns the node
2332022-10-18T20:59:34 <luke-jr> software/information is not owned, and copyrights are not rights
2342022-10-18T20:59:48 <Earnestly> I hoped the quotes would have helped but nevermind
2352022-10-18T20:59:56 <instagibbs> luke-jr doesn't like options being removed, the metaphor given doesnt matter so much
2362022-10-18T21:00:09 <halosghost> this ^
2372022-10-18T21:00:10 <luke-jr> instagibbs: the option isn't being removed; it's being restricted
2382022-10-18T21:00:22 <Earnestly> This doesn't seem like an option being removed, it's about freedom to do certain things
2392022-10-18T21:00:34 <sipa> I agree that's something else.
2402022-10-18T21:00:55 <sipa> I find it weird to provide an option but then ignoring it until a certain time passes.
2412022-10-18T21:01:13 <luke-jr> while I disagree with the previous state of not having an option also, it is fundamentally different from having an option, and refusing to allow the user to use it
2422022-10-18T21:01:41 <Earnestly> Is there some concern about operators not having support for fullrbf enabled and this causing problems? If so that does seem odd as full rbf has been available for a long time
2432022-10-18T21:02:36 <sipa> This discussion probably belongs on the ML or PR, if we're going to into more than just commenting on semantics.
2442022-10-18T21:02:51 <luke-jr> Earnestly: it's a principle thing IMO
2452022-10-18T21:03:07 <Earnestly> Seems like the argument is then: enable + delay vs. enable + no-delay
2462022-10-18T21:03:50 <luke-jr> Earnestly: there are lots of other options
2472022-10-18T21:03:59 <luke-jr> eg, right now it is simply disabled, with no delay to enable
2482022-10-18T21:04:07 <Earnestly> Ah, then it might make sense to enumerate them for the ML/PR
2492022-10-18T21:04:09 <luke-jr> another possibility would be to have the default time-dependent
2502022-10-18T21:04:17 <luke-jr> (but still honour the user decision)
2512022-10-18T21:04:57 <instagibbs> If you haven't seen an enumeration listed, PR/dev list is right spot. I was hoping to recap on Thursday
2522022-10-18T21:05:27 <sipa> luke-jr: I like that idea. Will comment on PR.
2532022-10-18T21:05:59 <instagibbs> sipa, fwiw that was my suggestion. punt another 6 months, always honor explicit choice
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2642022-10-18T22:29:29 <bitcoin-git> [gui] jonatack opened pull request #676: gui: update peers window "Transaction Relay" label and tooltip (master...update-peers-transaction-relay-label-and-tooltip) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/676
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2832022-10-18T23:23:20 <ariard> instagibbs: thanks for bookmarking the full-rbf topic for upcoming meeting :)
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