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232022-10-23T03:32:09 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] atErik opened pull request #26370: Update build-osx.md (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26370
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412022-10-23T06:26:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] SatoshiBTCXBT opened pull request #26371: Satoshi btcxbt patch 16 (master...SatoshiBTCXBT-patch-16) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26371
422022-10-23T06:26:45 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] SatoshiBTCXBT closed pull request #26371: Satoshi btcxbt patch 16 (master...SatoshiBTCXBT-patch-16) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26371
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492022-10-23T07:09:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #26372: build, msvc: Drop no longer required macro definitions for leveldb (master...221023-msvc-cleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26372
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1002022-10-23T13:22:41 <jamesob> It seems like we do ping/pong cycle at the completion of connection negotiation with each peer... is this a formal part of the protocol or just coincidental?
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1032022-10-23T13:30:53 <sipa> ping was part of the original codebase, pong was added in bip31
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1052022-10-23T13:31:38 <jamesob> I guess to put a finer point on the question: is it a reasonable expectation that we will always "ping/pong" shortly after the establishment of a new p2p connection?
1062022-10-23T13:32:14 <sipa> unfortunately, specifications aren't helpful for determining that
1072022-10-23T13:33:27 <jamesob> I'd be happy with a "de facto, based on the implementation" answer, but the code makes that kind of tricky to figure out
1082022-10-23T13:33:37 <sipa> i suspect bitcoin core has always done this, but other implementations may or may not have relied on the assumption that it always is
1092022-10-23T13:34:14 <sipa> especially with ping existing since satoshi times, it's all about expectations, not specifications
1102022-10-23T13:35:31 <jamesob> heh
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1122022-10-23T13:36:21 <sipa> and there are significant disagreements about what various people/inplementators think the protocol is
1132022-10-23T13:36:27 <sipa> (see recent ml discussion)
1142022-10-23T13:36:45 <jamesob> for anyone playing at home, this is in fact the case per Core implementation based on the fact that `peer.m_ping_start` is initialized to 0 and subsequently only set in this one function (https://github.com/jamesob/bitcoin/blob/447f50e4aed9a8b1d80e1891cda85801aeb80b4e/src/net_processing.cpp#L5023), which is invoked at the beginning of every
1152022-10-23T13:36:45 <jamesob> SendMessages call
1162022-10-23T13:37:52 <jamesob> sipa: ml?? nobody goes there anymore, too crowded
1172022-10-23T13:38:04 <sipa> haha
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1222022-10-23T14:07:19 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #26373: Update minisketch subtree to latest upstream (master...221023-ms-subtree) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26373
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1512022-10-23T17:15:45 <jeremyrubin> jamesob afaict ping interval is 2 mins, so "shortly thereafter" seems to be false?
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1762022-10-23T19:59:43 <sipa> @jeremyrubin The last sent timer is initliazed to 0, so the first SendMessages run would conclude it's been more than 2 minutes, and thus immediately send one.
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1802022-10-23T20:33:25 <sipa> I think that's what @jamesob is saying
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1882022-10-23T23:29:23 <ariard> that type of PR: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25434#issuecomment-1288227190 blocked on lot of context across layers, let me think that it could be interesting to have a board/wiki page on "Mempool" subjects and to know if progress is blocked on the mailing list/meeting discussions/conceptual code review/lack of review bandwidth etc
1892022-10-23T23:29:45 <ariard> i believe we used to have one; dunno if still maintained would be valuable to allocate review time efficiently
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