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762023-03-10T05:16:07 <martinus> fanquake: ah right, there's https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26916
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1002023-03-10T08:58:50 <vasild> NACK on further integration and reliance on GitHub. It is convenient, but it's a trap. Did you forget what happened with tornadocash? Somebody at a US govt agency sneezes and GitHub obliterates the repository and the developer's accounts _just hours later_. GitHub even overdid and ~(*!@&ed up things they were not asked to... like a good citizen, you know, to "prevent financing terrorism".
1012023-03-10T08:59:09 <vasild> What about hosting the binaries on a .onion site + .i2p site + torrents, _without clearnet_? That would be good training for users. And the static site too + a clearnet version like https://unsafe.robosats.com/ that suggests users to (learn to) visit the .onion site.
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1042023-03-10T08:59:53 <vasild> This does not necessary have to be operated by the same people who merge the pull requests.
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1132023-03-10T09:36:57 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke reopened pull request #18933: rpc: Add submit option to generateblock (master...2004-rpcBlock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18933
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1182023-03-10T09:57:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] willcl-ark opened pull request #27236: util: fix argsman dupe key error (master...argsman-dupe-key) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27236
1192023-03-10T09:58:20 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #27237: 2303 test block header throw ð (master...2303-test-block-header-throw-ð) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27237
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1222023-03-10T10:59:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheCharlatan opened pull request #27238: refactor: Split logging utilities from system.h (master...splitSystemLogging) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27238
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1252023-03-10T11:33:14 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #27239: refactor: Consistenly use context args over gArgs in node/interfaces (master...2303-args-consistent-ð¯) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27239
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1282023-03-10T13:25:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f7bdcfc83f57...6e662a89851c
1292023-03-10T13:25:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cd761e6 Fabian Jahr: rpc: Add note on guarantees to getblockfrompeer
1302023-03-10T13:25:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fe329dc Fabian Jahr: test: Add test for getblockfrompeer on pruned nodes
1312023-03-10T13:25:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6e662a8 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#23813: Add test and docs for getblockfrompeer with p...
1322023-03-10T13:25:45 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #23813: Add test and docs for getblockfrompeer with pruning (master...2021-12-getblockfrompeer-follow-up) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23813
1332023-03-10T13:26:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6e662a89851c...6f5eb7a39e71
1342023-03-10T13:26:21 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faa6715 MarcoFalke: test: Use self.wait_until over wait_until_helper
1352023-03-10T13:26:21 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6f5eb7a fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27226: test: Use self.wait_until over wait_until_hel...
1362023-03-10T13:26:26 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #27226: test: Use self.wait_until over wait_until_helper (master...2303-test-wait-self-ð©) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27226
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1382023-03-10T13:34:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6f5eb7a39e71...3e7dd4ff3369
1392023-03-10T13:34:51 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 89cd20c Sebastian Falbesoner: test: add coverage for sigop limit policy (`-bytespersigop` setting)
1402023-03-10T13:34:51 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3e7dd4f fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27171: test: add coverage for sigop limit policy (`-...
1412023-03-10T13:34:55 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #27171: test: add coverage for sigop limit policy (`-bytespersigop` setting) (master...202302-add_bytespersigop_test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27171
1422023-03-10T13:36:19 <bitcoin-git> [gui] fanquake closed pull request #539: Scale network graph based on time interval (master...1643263956-network-graph-issue-532) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/539
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1442023-03-10T13:57:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3e7dd4ff3369...99b64eec1bcc
1452023-03-10T13:57:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5c938e7 ekzyis: Use string interpolation for default value of -listen
1462023-03-10T13:57:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 99b64ee fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27232: Use string interpolation for default value of...
1472023-03-10T13:57:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #27232: Use string interpolation for default value of -listen (master...use-string-interpolation-for-default-value-of-listen) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27232
1482023-03-10T14:06:53 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MuhammadFathurNurRizky opened pull request #27240: Year update (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27240
1492023-03-10T14:08:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #27240: Year update (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27240
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1612023-03-10T15:54:10 <smallestfry92> Hi, I have some confusion about rebroadcasting & tx-relay.
1622023-03-10T15:54:11 <smallestfry92> Let's assume I broadcast a transaction to my peers via `sendrawtransaction` and it propagates throughout the network.
1632023-03-10T15:54:11 <smallestfry92> Then the transaction gets removed from the majority of mempools because it gets RBF'd (I won't go into detail here, but the RBF tx itself gets replaced). When my bitcoind node relays the transaction, the `m_tx_inventory_known_filter` will be populated for each of my peers that opted in to tx-relay.
1642023-03-10T15:54:12 <smallestfry92> I invoke `sendrawtransaction` again after I see that the transaction has been removed from my mempool and hasn't confirmed. This will call `RelayTransaction` again and the transaction might not be relayed again to certain peers depending on if `m_tx_inventory_known_filter` evicted the txid. It will be relayed to any new peers since the filter will
1652023-03-10T15:54:12 <smallestfry92> probably not give a false positive. If my bitcoind node only gives the transaction to new peers, how effective is rebroadcast here? It seems to me that because of `m_tx_inventory_known_filter`, the transaction will not traverse any of the same edges in the tx-relay network topology unless the filter evicts the txid. Is this correct? If so, it seems
1662023-03-10T15:54:13 <smallestfry92> like rebroadcasting a transaction like this doesn't work.
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1762023-03-10T16:39:16 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/99b64eec1bcc...c7f1d95f5288
1772023-03-10T16:39:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 54c4d03 TheCharlatan: doc: Show how less noisy clang-tidy output can be achieved
1782023-03-10T16:39:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c7f1d95 fanquake: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27205: doc: Show how less noisy clang-tidy output ca...
1792023-03-10T16:39:20 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #27205: doc: Show how less noisy clang-tidy output can be achieved (master...dev-notes-clang-tidy) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27205
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1972023-03-10T19:00:19 <achow101> #startmeeting
1982023-03-10T19:00:27 <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa theStack vasild
1992023-03-10T19:00:50 <furszy> hi
2002023-03-10T19:00:52 <achow101> There are no preproposed wallet meeting topics this week
2012023-03-10T19:00:55 <LarryRuane> Hi
2022023-03-10T19:00:56 <achow101> does anyone have anything to discuss
2032023-03-10T19:03:25 <furszy> probably we should investigate #20870 deeper
2042023-03-10T19:03:26 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20870 | Option to ignore small inputs when internal wallet is building TXes? · Issue #20870 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2052023-03-10T19:04:04 <achow101> I think the issue there is that the definition of small is subjective
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2072023-03-10T19:04:26 <achow101> our definition of small is dust. this is probably too low for most people
2082023-03-10T19:05:14 <sipa> Perhaps a less lowlevel possibility is offering a way to control the long-term feerate estimate used for coin selection, on a per-transaction basis?
2092023-03-10T19:05:53 <sipa> Because I believe if that estimate is accurate, coin selection should effectively always do the right thing.
2102023-03-10T19:06:16 <achow101> that's a possibility
2112023-03-10T19:07:06 <furszy> but that is not as friendly (UX wise) as rising the "small UTXO" definition
2122023-03-10T19:07:31 <furszy> or well, letting the user change that. Which probably they already can
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2142023-03-10T19:08:13 <achow101> currently changing them requires using bitcoin.conf options, which means restarting to change
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2162023-03-10T19:10:02 <furszy> I meant, it's different to let the user change the long-term feerate vs let them provide an "min UTXO value".
2172023-03-10T19:10:34 <furszy> the first one will need training, the second one would be easier for them.
2182023-03-10T19:10:59 <furszy> "min selectable UTXO value" (or whatever name we want)
2192023-03-10T19:11:17 <achow101> would definitely want to see simulations of how that would affect the wallet
2202023-03-10T19:11:41 <achow101> but in principle, it doesn't seem that bad
2212023-03-10T19:11:51 <sipa> furszy: I worry that the second is too easy to understand and will just be misused
2222023-03-10T19:12:23 <sipa> there is a lot of nuance to understand when it's actually in your own best interest to spend a small UTXO
2232023-03-10T19:13:38 <furszy> hmm yeah, good point
2242023-03-10T19:15:56 <achow101> anything else to discuss?
2252023-03-10T19:17:42 <achow101> #endmeeting
2262023-03-10T19:18:42 <achow101> jonasschnelli: looks like the meeting bot is having trouble posting to the channel
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2412023-03-10T20:35:55 <Murch> Knapsack is permitted to spend uneconomical UTXOs, and in fact, will very aggressively select such. If it ends up being the best solution, we might spend uneconomical inputs even at high feerates.
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2432023-03-10T20:36:40 <sipa> Oh really, I was unaware. I thought that wasn't the case since the introduction of effective value.
2442023-03-10T20:37:38 <Murch> No, Knapsack remains unchanged, because some people objected to changing its behavior in the past
2452023-03-10T20:38:11 <Murch> Iâd prefer to replace it over improving it at this point
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2472023-03-10T20:40:50 <sipa> For knapsack to be best solution, it would pretty much need to be the only solution, I'd think? Because uneconomical spends should have a high waste metric?
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