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2352023-08-03T14:00:29 <achow101> #startmeeting
2362023-08-03T14:00:36 <josie> hi
2372023-08-03T14:00:38 <dergoegge> hi
2382023-08-03T14:00:39 <glozow> hi
2392023-08-03T14:00:40 <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa theStack TheCharlatan vasild
2402023-08-03T14:00:41 <theStack> hi
2412023-08-03T14:00:42 <pinheadmz> hi
2422023-08-03T14:00:46 <lightlike> hi
2432023-08-03T14:00:49 <stickies-v> hi
2442023-08-03T14:00:49 <hebasto> hi
2452023-08-03T14:00:49 <brunoerg> hi
2462023-08-03T14:00:51 <instagibbs> hi
2472023-08-03T14:00:51 <TheCharlatan> hi
2482023-08-03T14:00:52 <cfields> hi
2492023-08-03T14:00:55 <abubakarsadiq> hi
2502023-08-03T14:01:02 <furszy> hi
2512023-08-03T14:01:03 <_aj_> hi
2522023-08-03T14:01:06 <achow101> #topic package relay updates (glozow)
2532023-08-03T14:01:28 <glozow> For #26711, added a bench from instagibbs, will push with a few fixups soon. Positive feedback on approach so far.
2542023-08-03T14:01:31 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26711 | validate package transactions with their in-package ancestor sets by glozow · Pull Request #26711 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2552023-08-03T14:01:41 <glozow> For #28031, I've peeled a test off into #28199. I think it would be good to merge that first to help with reviewing the refactoring commits
2562023-08-03T14:01:45 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28031 | Package Relay 1/3: Introduce TxPackageTracker as Orphan Resolution Module by glozow · Pull Request #28031 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2572023-08-03T14:01:46 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28199 | test: tx orphan handling by glozow · Pull Request #28199 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2582023-08-03T14:02:01 <sipa> hi
2592023-08-03T14:02:55 <_aj_> 28031 has CI failures and needs rebase?
2602023-08-03T14:03:00 <willcl-ark> hi
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2622023-08-03T14:04:03 <_aj_> oh, 28199 is fine so do it first?
2632023-08-03T14:04:19 <instagibbs> ð
2642023-08-03T14:04:29 <glozow> yeah. I was going to push my rebase but now I'm basically rewriting it ð
2652023-08-03T14:05:30 <achow101> do you want to put 28199 on the board instead of 28031?
2662023-08-03T14:05:45 <glozow> oh yes please thanks
2672023-08-03T14:06:15 <glozow> forgot to do that
2682023-08-03T14:06:21 <achow101> don
2692023-08-03T14:06:25 <glozow> thanks!
2702023-08-03T14:06:39 <achow101> #topic BIP 324 updates (sipa)
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2722023-08-03T14:07:23 <sipa> hi
2732023-08-03T14:07:33 <sipa> We're getting there.
2742023-08-03T14:07:53 <sipa> There are currently 3 PRs open.
2752023-08-03T14:08:18 <sipa> The ciphersuite one, the transport abstraction, and then the v2 transport itself
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2772023-08-03T14:09:03 <sipa> With the last one, you can experiment with bip324 connections, though in a test-only form only (using -bip324=ip).
2782023-08-03T14:09:39 <achow101> ciphersuite seems to be getting review, looks close to merge
2792023-08-03T14:09:47 <darosior> (hi)
2802023-08-03T14:09:50 <sipa> bitcoin.sipa.be runs this code, if you need a remote to connect to (-addnode=NAME -bip324=NAME should suffice).
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2822023-08-03T14:10:22 <sipa> Going forward, I think I'm going to wait for the ciphersuite and transport abstraction to make progress first.
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2842023-08-03T14:10:23 <instagibbs> session_id happens regardless of peer's behavior?
2852023-08-03T14:10:41 <instagibbs> (assuming within the ranges specified)
2862023-08-03T14:11:50 <sipa> After that, I'll probably drop the test-only -bip324 option from the v2 transport stuf, and implement actual service bit based decisions, maybe in a separate PR.
2872023-08-03T14:12:07 <sipa> @instagibbs It appears as soon as we know the other side has the same key we do.
2882023-08-03T14:12:22 <instagibbs> ill ask more offline :)
2892023-08-03T14:12:25 <sipa> It's empty ("") otherwise, regardless of v1 or v2.
2902023-08-03T14:12:39 <sipa> So if you see a non-empty session_id, the other side should show the same.
2912023-08-03T14:13:26 <sipa> sg
2922023-08-03T14:13:49 <achow101> #topic libbitcoinkernel updates (TheCharlatan)
2932023-08-03T14:14:04 <TheCharlatan> Opened PR #28186 for pruning the leveldb headers.
2942023-08-03T14:14:07 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28186 | kernel: Prune leveldb headers by TheCharlatan · Pull Request #28186 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2952023-08-03T14:14:13 <TheCharlatan> Besides that, no updates.
2962023-08-03T14:14:54 <cfields> ð
2972023-08-03T14:14:56 <cfields> nice :)
2982023-08-03T14:15:29 <achow101> #topic assumeutxo updates (jamesob)
2992023-08-03T14:16:34 <achow101> #27746 was merged, so I think we're on the big one now #27596
3002023-08-03T14:16:37 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27746 | Rework validation logic for assumeutxo by sdaftuar · Pull Request #27746 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3012023-08-03T14:16:39 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27596 | assumeutxo (2) by jamesob · Pull Request #27596 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3022023-08-03T14:18:26 <achow101> #topic Ad-hoc high priority for review
3032023-08-03T14:18:43 <achow101> anything to add or remove from https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin/projects/1/views/4
3042023-08-03T14:18:47 <MacroFake> Can I have #28087 It is a blocker for a bunch of CI stuff (also a bugfix in a strict sense)
3052023-08-03T14:18:49 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28087 | ci: Use qemu-user through container engine by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #28087 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3062023-08-03T14:19:10 <achow101> MacroFake: added
3072023-08-03T14:19:38 <MacroFake> (For example it would allow to run all CI tasks on a riscv machine)
3082023-08-03T14:19:38 <achow101> Or any other topics to discuss today?
3092023-08-03T14:20:03 <MacroFake> Thanks
3102023-08-03T14:21:12 <sipa> @MacroFake What is the status of CI, with cirrus changes?
3112023-08-03T14:21:33 <MacroFake> sipa: I think hebasto is moving macOS and Windows to Github CI
3122023-08-03T14:22:03 <MacroFake> The macOS seems ready, apart from the feedback I left
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3142023-08-03T14:22:33 <MacroFake> Also, it would need a maintainer to enable Github CI (if we want to run it on pull requests)
3152023-08-03T14:22:52 <fanquake> Yea the PR description in that PR needs updating to actually explain whatâs its doing (dropping support for a release platform from CI), rather than making it look like just swapping infra
3162023-08-03T14:22:58 <sipa> So will nothing be on cirrus anymore?
3172023-08-03T14:23:09 <dergoegge> macOS and Windows on persistent workers is not an option?
3182023-08-03T14:23:18 <sipa> Or only self-hosted things?
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3202023-08-03T14:23:21 <MacroFake> sipa: I think we'll keep Linux on Cirrus, but with persistent workers
3212023-08-03T14:23:53 <achow101> aren't persistent workers self hosted?
3222023-08-03T14:24:07 <MacroFake> yes, it is the same
3232023-08-03T14:24:18 <achow101> who's hosting them?
3242023-08-03T14:24:50 <sipa> Who is sponsoring those?
3252023-08-03T14:25:00 <MacroFake> Sponsors exist
3262023-08-03T14:25:07 <sipa> I guess I used the wrong terminology; they're running on our hardware, but it still goes through the Cirrus system for managing.
3272023-08-03T14:25:28 <sipa> Right?
3282023-08-03T14:25:46 <MacroFake> yeah, it is called cirrus-cli (or so)
3292023-08-03T14:25:51 <fanquake> dergoegge: itâs not clear if thatâs possible, or just hasnât been investigated before picking GitHub CI
3302023-08-03T14:26:11 <sipa> One question that came up in the libsecp meeting was what to do there, and if these cirrus persistent workers would also be available for libsecp256k1.
3312023-08-03T14:26:21 <MacroFake> dergoegge: macOS is possible, but I don't think anyone wants to work on that. Do you?
3322023-08-03T14:26:35 <MacroFake> sipa: They will
3332023-08-03T14:26:39 <dergoegge> MacroFake: no
3342023-08-03T14:26:44 <MacroFake> dergoegge: heh
3352023-08-03T14:27:23 <sipa> Ideally libsecp can follow whatever Bitcoin Core does, but only if that doesn't add costs/burden to people running it.
3362023-08-03T14:27:24 <MacroFake> sipa: Will libsecp use Github CI for Windows and macOS?
3372023-08-03T14:28:01 <sipa> I guess we'll have to.
3382023-08-03T14:28:05 <luke-jr> does this break CI for non-Core repos?
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3402023-08-03T14:28:23 <MacroFake> luke-jr: If you want to use Github CI, you'll have to enable it
3412023-08-03T14:28:46 <dergoegge> It would be good to have a migration plan, should the current host of the persistent workers no longer be willing to host
3422023-08-03T14:28:48 <luke-jr> I was thinking the persistent-workers thing
3432023-08-03T14:28:51 <achow101> persistent workers don't work for forks
3442023-08-03T14:29:09 <MacroFake> luke-jr: Ah, if you want to use a persistent worker, you'll have to add it to your Cirrus organization
3452023-08-03T14:29:45 <MacroFake> luke-jr: An alternative would be to create a pull request to use Github CI Linux boxes, where possible
3462023-08-03T14:29:54 <fanquake> I guess libsecp will also set up/run its own persistent workers for Linux too?
3472023-08-03T14:29:55 <luke-jr> MacroFake: does it no longer work with normal Cirrus CI workers?
3482023-08-03T14:29:56 <MacroFake> (but it is not possible for all tasks)
3492023-08-03T14:30:09 <sipa> I'm not super happy about relying (even) more on GitHub for infrastructure, but as Cirrus basically only works for GitHub anyway, it's not much of a change, and it seems there really aren't many alternatives (except very expensive ones).
3502023-08-03T14:30:30 <achow101> luke-jr: I think cirrus will cut you off or otherwise limit your ci usage
3512023-08-03T14:30:30 <MacroFake> luke-jr: That would work, with conditional tasks
3522023-08-03T14:30:49 <MacroFake> You have 40$/mo free capacity
3532023-08-03T14:31:03 <MacroFake> If you only do 4 pushes per month, it should be enough
3542023-08-03T14:31:18 <MacroFake> But I am not sure if this is something we need/should support
3552023-08-03T14:31:42 <achow101> it's nice for people to be able to run ci on their own branches before opening a pr
3562023-08-03T14:32:21 <MacroFake> achow101: FWIW, I have CI disabled on my branches in my fork
3572023-08-03T14:32:34 <sipa> Is setting up a (linux) CI persistent worker hard? If not, we can probably manage our own for libsecp.
3582023-08-03T14:33:07 <achow101> MacroFake: what's the reason for not migrating the linux tasks to github ci?
3592023-08-03T14:33:10 <luke-jr> achow101: yes, especially if we don't want people pushing to PRs for testing
3602023-08-03T14:33:26 <MacroFake> achow101: For some it is not possible
3612023-08-03T14:33:39 <MacroFake> achow101: For others: No one has opened a pull request to do it yet
3622023-08-03T14:33:40 <luke-jr> (IIRC someone was asked not to do that recently)
3632023-08-03T14:34:44 <fanquake> thatâs mostly only when itâs clear the person isnât even bothering to compile locally
3642023-08-03T14:34:57 <MacroFake> sipa: It is one line of bash: "cirrus worker run --labels type=lunar --token todo_get_the_correct_token"
3652023-08-03T14:34:59 <fanquake> and just keeps for pushing the the PR to see what works
3662023-08-03T14:36:02 <MacroFake> (and "curl -L -o cirrus https://github.com/cirruslabs/cirrus-cli/releases/latest/download/cirrus-$(uname | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]')-amd64 && mv cirrus /usr/local/bin/cirrus && chmod +x /usr/local/bin/cirrus"
3672023-08-03T14:36:10 <sipa> FWIW, I personally use CI to run tests for my own PRs, for everything beyond what make check / test_runner doesn't do (sanitizers, linters, ...).
3682023-08-03T14:36:10 <MacroFake> )
3692023-08-03T14:36:49 <MacroFake> I think it is fine to use CI for debugging, as long as you do a local make check && test_runner.py
3702023-08-03T14:37:26 <luke-jr> in any case, it would be easier for people to do that if they don't need to spam PRs with updates ;)
3712023-08-03T14:37:46 <sipa> I'd like to run linters locally too, but haven't actually ever looked into what is needed for that.
3722023-08-03T14:38:07 <MacroFake> sipa: You'll need docker for the linters, but I don't run the either locally
3732023-08-03T14:38:22 <MacroFake> You can push and get a result from CI in 120 seconds or less
3742023-08-03T14:38:40 <fanquake> you can also skip Docker and use a venv, and just run them directly
3752023-08-03T14:39:02 <sipa> Right.
3762023-08-03T14:39:21 <MacroFake> fanquake: I wouldn't trust them. They are random pip packages from the internet and even raw x86 binaries (shellcheck)
3772023-08-03T14:39:36 <cfields> I think we're in kinda a bad state if most day-to-day devs aren't running these locally :\
3782023-08-03T14:39:45 <cfields> local-first tests used to be an explicit goal
3792023-08-03T14:39:48 <MacroFake> (Ok, I guess docker doesn't help if they are viruses)
3802023-08-03T14:40:08 <cfields> (I'm guilty as well)
3812023-08-03T14:40:37 <josie> also guilty of using CI to run the linters / sanitizers. been meaning to look into what it would take to run all this locally, but last time I tried, it wasn't super straightforward
3822023-08-03T14:40:40 <fanquake> cfields: unit and functional tests should be run locally. Linters and cross-compilation (CI) Iâm sure are much less likely
3832023-08-03T14:40:43 <MacroFake> cfields: There is some stuff that just can't be run locally. Are you going to compile santizers+fuzz+clang-tidy for every commit locally?
3842023-08-03T14:41:24 <sipa> @cfields I agree it'd be better if more we easily/automatically doable locally.
3852023-08-03T14:41:25 <sipa> But also, if it's just linters, there isn't much trust involved.
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3872023-08-03T14:41:39 <fanquake> I think itâs also a case of time/resource restriction. With Docker, running any of the CI jobs locally is very straightforward
3882023-08-03T14:41:55 <MacroFake> If you trust docker, all you need to run is "DOCKER_BUILDKIT=1 docker build -t bitcoin-linter --file "./ci/lint_imagefile" ./ && docker run --rm -v $(pwd):/bitcoin -it bitcoin-linter"
3892023-08-03T14:41:56 <cfields> MacroFake: I think it should be _possible_ for me to do all of that stuff on a commit that I consider scary and worthy of testing before pushing. Of course not for every commit.
3902023-08-03T14:42:11 <sipa> I should learn docker.
3912023-08-03T14:42:15 <MacroFake> cfields: It is possible
3922023-08-03T14:42:16 <cfields> (And of course it's possible. It's just currently cumbersome, which is the topic)
3932023-08-03T14:42:19 <fanquake> cfields: definitely entirely possible to do that locally
3942023-08-03T14:42:39 <fanquake> cumbersome at this point is install Docker and run 1 bash script
3952023-08-03T14:42:40 <MacroFake> cfields: I don't think it can be made easier or take less time. Compiling takes time
3962023-08-03T14:43:13 <josie> fanquake: the struggle for me was figuring out how to run *just* the jobs I want e.g. linting
3972023-08-03T14:43:39 <MacroFake> sipa: I mean with trust that the linters can corrupt your .git folder, for example
3982023-08-03T14:44:01 <josie> I'm sure it just involves some docker-fu involved, but I couldn't figure it out last time I tried. A few examples in the docs would probably go a long way
3992023-08-03T14:44:13 <fanquake> josie: the linters are a bit of an outlier yea, for all other CI jobs, you just pick the one you want, and call the bash script (with Docker installed) and it'll ru
4002023-08-03T14:44:14 <cfields> Ok, ranting is beyond the scope here. But personally, I'm hoping after CMake we can get some more checks integrated into the buildsystem for easier testing. Multi-config builds for example, would allow for sanitizer builds in parallel.
4012023-08-03T14:44:24 <MacroFake> josie: It is a single line of bash: "DOCKER_BUILDKIT=1 docker build -t bitcoin-linter --file "./ci/lint_imagefile" ./ && docker run --rm -v $(pwd):/bitcoin -it bitcoin-linter"
4022023-08-03T14:44:29 <MacroFake> (taken from the docs)
4032023-08-03T14:45:03 <josie> MacroFake: ah, nice, I haven't checked the docs recently (or might have just missed this before)
4042023-08-03T14:45:04 <fanquake> cfields: I can't wait for CMake to magically give everyone more time and CPU heh
4052023-08-03T14:45:09 <sipa> @cfields That sounds great.
4062023-08-03T14:45:33 <MacroFake> I can convert the linter to the same syntax as the other tests, but probably not before next month
4072023-08-03T14:45:35 <sipa> (even if just aspirational)
4082023-08-03T14:45:56 <cfields> fanquake: for me: less docker == more time. Maybe I'm just old :)
4092023-08-03T14:46:17 <fanquake> josie: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/ci
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4112023-08-03T14:46:29 <MacroFake> fanquake: My laptop could use a new CPU
4122023-08-03T14:46:38 <MacroFake> apt install cmake
4132023-08-03T14:47:54 <sipa> looking forward to downloading some extra CPU
4142023-08-03T14:48:11 <luke-jr> XD
4152023-08-03T14:48:14 <sipa> Ok, I think that's enough for the CI (what turned out to be) meeting topic.
4162023-08-03T14:48:35 <hebasto> an cmake just integrates clang-tidy and iwyu...
4172023-08-03T14:48:48 <achow101> any other topics to discuss?
4182023-08-03T14:49:26 * MacroFake pizza
4192023-08-03T14:49:35 <luke-jr> too early for pizza <.<
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4212023-08-03T14:49:48 <MacroFake> It 5pm in Malmoe
4222023-08-03T14:49:48 <sipa> @cfields I'm just a simple software engineer, all these dockers and virtual environments daze and confuse me.
4232023-08-03T14:49:55 <achow101> #endmeeting
4242023-08-03T14:50:00 * achow101 back to bed
4252023-08-03T14:50:17 <cfields> btw, checks are about to become even more complicated to run locally after #26296
4262023-08-03T14:50:19 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26296 | ci: Integrate `bitcoin-tidy` clang-tidy plugin by fanquake · Pull Request #26296 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4272023-08-03T14:50:19 * cfields ducks
4282023-08-03T14:50:24 <instagibbs> too early for pizza *scoff*
4292023-08-03T14:50:31 <fanquake> ð¥²
4302023-08-03T14:50:39 <achow101> too early to be awake
4312023-08-03T14:50:48 <luke-jr> sipa: +1
4322023-08-03T14:51:03 <josie> next morning pizza is the best pizza.. its never too early for pizza
4332023-08-03T14:51:11 <luke-jr> achow101: how did we end up with such a meeting time? XD
4342023-08-03T14:51:26 <MacroFake> cfields: do they? It should be optional, right
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4362023-08-03T14:51:33 <cfields> sipa: I wonder if we could create a new virtual environment to virtualize them all...?
4372023-08-03T14:51:58 <cfields> it's probably never been tried.
4382023-08-03T14:52:07 <MacroFake> fwiw, I usually run docker/podman in a VM
4392023-08-03T14:52:28 <cfields> MacroFake: I was mostly joking. Just another tool to have hooked up :)
4402023-08-03T14:52:34 <luke-jr> I don't really trust VMs much post-Spectre :/
4412023-08-03T14:53:07 <MacroFake> (vm on a remote machine)
4422023-08-03T14:53:14 <luke-jr> that's better :)
4432023-08-03T14:53:20 <MacroFake> But I don't trust ssh :(
4442023-08-03T14:55:09 <luke-jr> considering the recent ssh client vulnerability, I can't blame you :|
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4502023-08-03T15:07:41 <sipa> @[luke-jr] Why does Spectre matter? That may just leak private information to software running on the same machine, but in A CI setting I hope there is no private information.
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4542023-08-03T15:18:52 <vasild> I also use CI on my own repo to debug CI failures that only happen on CI and I can't repro locally (simplest case - compile failure only on windows)
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4562023-08-03T15:19:56 <vasild> fwiw in MySQL development there were a few test branches that had full CI hooked on them and everybody was "push -f"ing to them
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4582023-08-03T15:21:02 <sipa> @Sjors What did you set for -bip324= ?
4592023-08-03T15:27:03 <sipa> Interesting; that must mean either some other people are running it with *, or are running the old bip324 branch.
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4752023-08-03T16:06:03 <luke-jr> sipa: well, this is why I have my development machine on separate hardware - but if it was all on teh same machine, the CI could potentially extract sensitive info from the host
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5032023-08-03T18:18:45 <jonatack1> Yes, the docker script in test/lint/README.md works for me, i.e. for the first run:
5042023-08-03T18:18:48 <jonatack1> DOCKER_BUILDKIT=1 docker build -t bitcoin-linter --file "./ci/lint_imagefile" ./ && docker run --rm -v $(pwd):/bitcoin -it bitcoin-linter
5052023-08-03T18:19:05 <jonatack1> and after that for runs after that:
5062023-08-03T18:19:10 <jonatack1> DOCKER_BUILDKIT=1 docker build -t bitcoin-linter --file "./ci/lint_imagefile" ./ && docker run --rm -v $(pwd):/bitcoin -it bitcoin-linter
5072023-08-03T18:19:20 <jonatack1> or rather
5082023-08-03T18:19:22 <jonatack1> docker run --rm -v $(pwd):/bitcoin -it bitcoin-linter
5092023-08-03T18:19:56 <jonatack1> This might not be recommended, but it's faster for me to run them locally with a bash alias like this one:
5102023-08-03T18:20:57 <jonatack1> alias lint="cd ~/bitcoin/bitcoin/ ./test/lint/lint-circular-dependencies.py ; ./test/lint/lint-python.py ; ./test/lint/lint-whitespace.py ; ./test/lint/lint-spelling.py ; ./test/lint/lint-python-dead-code.py ; ./test/lint/lint-python-mutable-default-parameters.py ; ./test/lint/lint-python-utf8-encoding.py ; ./test/lint/lint-assertions.py ; ./test/lint/lint-files.py ;
5112023-08-03T18:20:59 <jonatack1> ./test/lint/check-doc.py ; ./test/lint/lint-format-strings.py ; ./test/lint/lint-includes.py ; ./test/lint/lint-include-guards.py ; ./test/lint/lint-logs.py ; ./test/lint/lint-shell.py ; ./test/lint/lint-shell-locale.py ; ./test/lint/lint-submodule.py"
5122023-08-03T18:21:03 <jonatack1> it's dumb but it works :)
5132023-08-03T18:23:56 <jonatack1> (at least for most things that cause the lint CI to fail)
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