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1542023-09-28T09:44:10 <darosior> Does anyone have an idea how could an in-memory CDbWrapper leak memory? Running it in a fuzzer, it seems the memory is never dropped. For instance the memory usage of this trivial repro grows from a couple MBs to >1GB of memory after only 6 minutes: https://paste.ec/paste/EVPsg0ju#r1xd5pqzk74er0m2bgY73oev6+t-LHPMlp4pbxIQsK5
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1932023-09-28T14:00:13 <achow101> #startmeeting
1942023-09-28T14:00:29 <pinheadmz> hi
1952023-09-28T14:00:32 <brunoerg> hi
1962023-09-28T14:00:32 <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa theStack TheCharlatan vasild
1972023-09-28T14:00:37 <instagibbs> hi
1982023-09-28T14:00:40 <darosior> hi
1992023-09-28T14:00:45 <josie> hi
2002023-09-28T14:00:47 <glozow> hi
2012023-09-28T14:00:48 <dergoegge> hi
2022023-09-28T14:00:51 <achow101> There are no preproposed meeting topics this week. Any last minute ones to add
2032023-09-28T14:00:57 <stickies-v> hi
2042023-09-28T14:01:06 <gleb> hi
2052023-09-28T14:01:35 <lightlike> hi
2062023-09-28T14:01:36 <ajonas> hi
2072023-09-28T14:01:46 <achow101> #topic package relay updates (glozow)
2082023-09-28T14:01:52 <hebasto> hi
2092023-09-28T14:02:08 <glozow> #28450 was merged (yay) so #26711 is now ready for review!
2102023-09-28T14:02:12 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28450 | Add package evaluation fuzzer by instagibbs · Pull Request #28450 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2112023-09-28T14:02:14 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26711 | validate package transactions with their in-package ancestor sets by glozow · Pull Request #26711 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2122023-09-28T14:02:35 <glozow> As discussed last week, I've put all of the p2p PRs in draft to focus review attention on the validation stuff for now. I'll continue working on them.
2132023-09-28T14:02:43 <instagibbs> achow101 proposed topic: voting/signaling for priority projects?
2142023-09-28T14:03:15 <glozow> instagibbs and I had a conversation yesterday about re-opening #27609 now that we have fuzzing / it feels a bit safer
2152023-09-28T14:03:17 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27609 | rpc: allow submitpackage to be called outside of regtest by glozow · Pull Request #27609 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2162023-09-28T14:03:37 <glozow> unsure if that's something people want
2172023-09-28T14:03:40 <_aj_> do it
2182023-09-28T14:03:45 <instagibbs> there's at least one project which would use submitpackage, in a limited way, to avoid a song and dance
2192023-09-28T14:03:54 <darosior> Yeah
2202023-09-28T14:04:22 <fjahr> hi
2212023-09-28T14:04:23 <instagibbs> ldk-node, which does a song and dance, then hopes a miner with a large mempool sees it, essentially
2222023-09-28T14:04:26 <glozow> I remember speaking about it with sdaftuar, mostly concerned about encouraging direct-submits to miners. Not really what we'd want but maybe the lesser of evils for now?
2232023-09-28T14:04:53 <instagibbs> They're doing... interesting stuff without our help, so I'm less and less persuaded myself that we shouldn't open it up
2242023-09-28T14:05:11 <sdaftuar> hi
2252023-09-28T14:05:14 <glozow> hi!
2262023-09-28T14:05:18 <instagibbs> !!! welcome
2272023-09-28T14:05:18 <lightningbot> instagibbs: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
2282023-09-28T14:05:18 <gribble> Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
2292023-09-28T14:05:29 <dergoegge> good bots
2302023-09-28T14:05:29 <glozow> lol
2312023-09-28T14:05:43 <josie> instagibbs has angered all the bots
2322023-09-28T14:05:45 <achow101> perhaps reopen the pr and have the discussion there?
2332023-09-28T14:05:46 <sdaftuar> sorry i'm not up to speed at all on where the package relay/package acceptance logic is these days. i think one of our concerns was whether there were dos vectors in submitpackage that we didn't want to leave open for exploitation?
2342023-09-28T14:06:04 <sdaftuar> if those have been closed off (enough), then i think i would not be opposed
2352023-09-28T14:06:51 <glozow> We've fixed a lot of bugs in the last month or so (yay) and it would be through rpc so hopefully trusted clients only. can have loud warnings in release notes
2362023-09-28T14:07:04 <sdaftuar> cool, sounds good
2372023-09-28T14:07:20 <instagibbs> I'm working on more fuzzing stuff, will just have glozow pick up what she wants to get 26711 pristine
2382023-09-28T14:07:29 <glozow> Agree with moving discussion to PR. We have a really small window before feature freeze (assuming people want this for 26) so please leave your comments asap if y'all have opinions
2392023-09-28T14:08:04 <glozow> achow101: we can move on, thanks
2402023-09-28T14:08:11 <b10c> hi
2412023-09-28T14:08:11 <achow101> #topic BIP 324 updates (sipa)
2422023-09-28T14:09:20 <achow101> perhaps sipa is not here
2432023-09-28T14:09:27 <dergoegge> i think we're just waiting for review on the integration PR
2442023-09-28T14:09:42 <_aj_> there's the breaking protocol change
2452023-09-28T14:09:44 <achow101> #28331 is the main pr, but I think #28525 is probably next for priority?
2462023-09-28T14:09:46 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28331 | BIP324 integration by sipa · Pull Request #28331 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2472023-09-28T14:09:48 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28525 | net: Drop v2 garbage authentication packet by real-or-random · Pull Request #28525 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2482023-09-28T14:09:48 <achow101> since it's a breaking protocol change
2492023-09-28T14:09:55 <dergoegge> ah right
2502023-09-28T14:10:06 <_aj_> yeah; it seems just about RFM though
2512023-09-28T14:10:07 <achow101> there's the corresponding bips pr for that: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1498
2522023-09-28T14:10:20 <achow101> it looks ready, but I'd prefer to wait for the bip change to go in first
2532023-09-28T14:10:27 <_aj_> +1
2542023-09-28T14:10:33 <achow101> cc luke-jr
2552023-09-28T14:11:05 <instagibbs> I don't think it's required to miss an entire release cycle... but give it a shot
2562023-09-28T14:11:12 <sipa> hi
2572023-09-28T14:12:00 <sipa> not much to say in addition to what was mentioned
2582023-09-28T14:12:39 <achow101> #topic assumeutxo updates (jamesob)
2592023-09-28T14:12:47 <_aj_> the bip pr could probably do with an explicit "merge me" from an author
2602023-09-28T14:13:15 <instagibbs> _aj_ +1
2612023-09-28T14:13:27 <sipa> _aj_: will do
2622023-09-28T14:14:09 <achow101> #27596 looks like it's probably rfm?
2632023-09-28T14:14:13 <fjahr> I guess James is not here. #27596 has received more review.
2642023-09-28T14:14:13 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27596 | assumeutxo (2) by jamesob · Pull Request #27596 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2652023-09-28T14:14:18 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27596 | assumeutxo (2) by jamesob · Pull Request #27596 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2662023-09-28T14:14:31 <fjahr> The chain params question was opened as a follow-up by sjors
2672023-09-28T14:14:52 <fjahr> #28516
2682023-09-28T14:14:54 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28516 | validation: assumeutxo params for testnet and signet by Sjors · Pull Request #28516 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2692023-09-28T14:15:09 <fjahr> So might be rfm
2702023-09-28T14:16:26 <achow101> #topic libbitcoinkernel updates (TheCharlatan)
2712023-09-28T14:16:50 <achow101> TheCharlatan informed me that he won't be able to make the meeting this week. he wants #28051 to be the next priority
2722023-09-28T14:16:52 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28051 | Get rid of shutdown.cpp/shutdown.h, use SignalInterrupt directly by ryanofsky · Pull Request #28051 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2732023-09-28T14:17:31 <achow101> #topic Ad-hoc high priority for review
2742023-09-28T14:17:47 <achow101> Anything to add or remove from https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin/projects/1/views/4 ?
2752023-09-28T14:18:20 <josie> #27827 is closed in favor of a tracking issue
2762023-09-28T14:18:20 <achow101> josie: removing #27827 since it's closed, and silent payments seems to have concept acks
2772023-09-28T14:18:22 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27827 | Silent Payments: send and receive by josibake · Pull Request #27827 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2782023-09-28T14:18:22 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27827 | Silent Payments: send and receive by josibake · Pull Request #27827 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2792023-09-28T14:18:30 <josie> achow101: jinx
2802023-09-28T14:19:44 <josie> would be really nice to get #25273 in
2812023-09-28T14:19:47 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25273 | wallet: Pass through transaction locktime and preset input sequences and scripts to CreateTransaction by achow101 · Pull Request #25273 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2822023-09-28T14:20:24 <josie> I need it for the silent payments sending PR, will be reviewing it over the next few days
2832023-09-28T14:21:49 <achow101> #topic 26.0 feature freeze
2842023-09-28T14:22:11 <achow101> According to the release schedule for 26.0 (#27758), feature freeze is on this sunday
2852023-09-28T14:22:13 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27758 | Release schedule for 26.0 · Issue #27758 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2862023-09-28T14:22:33 <achow101> but with 2 priority projects so close to the finish line, I think we could move it back another week so we can have those for this release?
2872023-09-28T14:22:55 <glozow> concept ACK
2882023-09-28T14:22:56 <achow101> (not that priority projects are intended to go in for the next release, but it'd be cool to have these in)
2892023-09-28T14:22:57 <lightlike> makes sense to me
2902023-09-28T14:22:59 <fjahr> +1
2912023-09-28T14:23:03 <hebasto> agree
2922023-09-28T14:23:03 <sipa> that (obviously) sounds reasonable to me
2932023-09-28T14:23:11 <darosior> Sounds good to me.
2942023-09-28T14:23:24 <dergoegge> +1
2952023-09-28T14:23:47 <josie> +1
2962023-09-28T14:24:00 <_aj_> *2
2972023-09-28T14:24:57 <achow101> #topic voting/signaling for priority projects
2982023-09-28T14:25:34 <achow101> we discussed this at coredev and for the next round of priority projects we're going to try to do the voting online
2992023-09-28T14:25:38 <darosior> I need to bounce but if we are doing the prio projects thing, just letting people know i'll personally try to carve out some time to help package relay move forward. No promise though.
3002023-09-28T14:25:55 <darosior> (if that counts as a vote)
3012023-09-28T14:26:41 <_aj_> (have priority projects been successful in minimising how much unwanted rebasing those projects have had to do?)
3022023-09-28T14:26:55 <achow101> my thoughts were that after feature freeze, i'll open an issue to gather possible projects (seeded with the list from coredev). then a week later, we can vote by posting comments in an (new?) issue.
3032023-09-28T14:27:02 <instagibbs> _aj_ there was pretty good consensus on a strong "yes" there
3042023-09-28T14:27:09 <achow101> _aj_: the general sentiment was that they were successful
3052023-09-28T14:27:20 <stickies-v> _aj_: I have seen at least a few instances of PRs getting closed/drafted because of priority conflicts. Could probably be more though.
3062023-09-28T14:27:56 <achow101> voting would be open for a week. then we'd have our votes done by branching
3072023-09-28T14:28:26 <_aj_> achow101: there's https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/Priorities ; if we do it via issues instead, probably should kill that page
3082023-09-28T14:28:36 <josie> achow101: sounds good, but I do think its important to limit voting to people who are actively contributing/reviewing in the project. this isnt a vote of "what would you like to see in bitcoin core" and more signaling "i will prioritise working on and reviewing x"
3092023-09-28T14:29:23 <achow101> there's a bit of an open question of whether it should be anonymous or not. doing it in an issue would be inherently public, unless everyone pgp encrypts their votes or something like that
3102023-09-28T14:29:51 <_aj_> achow101: if voting == "i'm aiming to review", then anonymity doesn't seem needed
3112023-09-28T14:30:03 <fanquake> who are they encrypting to?
3122023-09-28T14:30:05 <instagibbs> "I want to not make them rebase" + "I will review"
3132023-09-28T14:30:08 <fanquake> the maintainer group?
3142023-09-28T14:30:19 <achow101> fanquake: the maintainers? or perhaps just me?
3152023-09-28T14:30:33 <stickies-v> +1 on limiting the vote. i don't mind doing it in public
3162023-09-28T14:31:20 <stickies-v> also liked josie's idea of having two votes: one being "what should be priority" and another being "what will i actively contribute to" because the two don't always have to overlap because of e.g. skillsets, experience, ...
3172023-09-28T14:31:22 <achow101> I think the only votes that will be counted are from those that are in the github org(s)
3182023-09-28T14:31:25 <stickies-v> but that may overly complicate the system
3192023-09-28T14:31:53 <_aj_> imo, it's not really a "vote", it's "which projects have the most reviewer interest, so are likely to make the most progress, and are least likely to spend a long time unmerged, and hence will only cause minimal rebasing in conflicting PRs"
3202023-09-28T14:32:04 <josie> if votes will only be counted from within the github org, then i dont see the point of anonymous?
3212023-09-28T14:32:13 <sipa> i don't think anonymity is necessary
3222023-09-28T14:32:18 <instagibbs> anon seems like overhead for no purpose
3232023-09-28T14:32:19 <josie> _aj_: +1
3242023-09-28T14:32:44 <fanquake> isnât the whole reason we skipped the vote before because people complained about posting their votes publicly last time
3252023-09-28T14:32:55 <fanquake> or am I misremembering
3262023-09-28T14:33:04 <_aj_> i thought it was "sounds good, let's just do it" ?
3272023-09-28T14:33:24 <achow101> fanquake: no, it was that some people were anon and others were not. the complain was that everyone should have the option for anon, or no one should
3282023-09-28T14:33:34 <sipa> really the priority projects help break the cyclic dependency in decisions of the form "i'd like to work/help on X, but only if sufficient other people think the same"
3292023-09-28T14:33:35 <glozow> yeah I think we didn't vote last week because people said it was unfair to the people who weren't there, i.e. because no anon
3302023-09-28T14:33:52 <_aj_> oh, before = 6 months ago, or last week?
3312023-09-28T14:34:06 <fjahr> fanquake: i think it would have been possible to vote for a week but nobody did 6 months ago
3322023-09-28T14:34:58 <achow101> I think we can just try it non-anon on github this time, and if people complain or there are less votes this time, we can try something else next time?
3332023-09-28T14:35:09 <glozow> ACK
3342023-09-28T14:35:11 <instagibbs> whatever is simplest, thanks
3352023-09-28T14:35:15 <josie> worth making the distinction: voting in person requires doxxing meatspace identity, voting on github does not. so in that sense, yeah voting on github does allow people to vote
3362023-09-28T14:35:17 <instagibbs> keep forward momentum folks
3372023-09-28T14:35:38 <josie> ACK
3382023-09-28T14:35:39 <stickies-v> +1 keep it simple, github works
3392023-09-28T14:35:54 <sipa> yeah
3402023-09-28T14:36:31 <lightlike> should we have a phase for assembling / completing the list of candidates (before the voting starts)?
3412023-09-28T14:36:54 <achow101> lightlike: yes "i'll open an issue to gather possible projects (seeded with the list from coredev)."
3422023-09-28T14:37:16 <lightlike> ah thx, missed this
3432023-09-28T14:37:35 <stickies-v> can't we just do that here? if no one here brings up a certain topic, it's probably not gonna make it into the top anyway?
3442023-09-28T14:37:46 <_aj_> https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2023/bitcoin-core-dev.2023-05-04-19.00.log.html -- was the discussion last time around fwiw
3452023-09-28T14:37:56 <achow101> re the 2 votes idea, I'm not sure that's useful?
3462023-09-28T14:38:04 <_aj_> stickies-v: not everyone is available at this particular hour
3472023-09-28T14:38:07 <fjahr> last time we each had 3...
3482023-09-28T14:38:38 <achow101> sorry, meant the two different votes thing of "priority" and "review".
3492023-09-28T14:38:58 <achow101> for deciding the actual priority, I think having each person vote for 3 is still good
3502023-09-28T14:39:02 <sipa> the consensus at coredev was that the concept of priority projects was a success, so we don't *need* to change anything
3512023-09-28T14:39:10 <fjahr> I think nobody will check later if people actually reviewed so I think it doesn't matter
3522023-09-28T14:39:16 <sipa> except of course the fact that the voting was not done in person
3532023-09-28T14:39:39 <josie> sipa: +1
3542023-09-28T14:39:49 <glozow> I like the 2 votes idea, but agree with not hindering the process by talking about potential improvements
3552023-09-28T14:39:52 <instagibbs> signaling you'll review doesn't procedurally change anything, just nice
3562023-09-28T14:40:00 <instagibbs> so stick with what worked
3572023-09-28T14:40:33 <achow101> any other topics to discuss?
3582023-09-28T14:41:02 <fjahr> so what are the next steps?
3592023-09-28T14:41:24 <_aj_> achow101 will open an issue
3602023-09-28T14:41:41 <fjahr> And there will be one week to add topics?
3612023-09-28T14:41:51 <sipa> an issue, or an org discussion?
3622023-09-28T14:41:53 <achow101> fjahr: after feature freeze (in one week): open an issue for projects gathering. one week after that: voting in another issue, open for 1 week
3632023-09-28T14:42:14 <fjahr> ok, thanks
3642023-09-28T14:43:35 <achow101> #endmeeting
3652023-09-28T14:45:24 <josie> achow101: not sure if you missed (or maybe you disagree?), but id like this on ad-hoc/high prio: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25273
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3702023-09-28T14:48:51 <achow101> josie: missed that, adding
3712023-09-28T14:48:58 <josie> ty!
3722023-09-28T14:50:58 <Murch[m]> New bridge, forgot to auth. Can yâall read me now?
3732023-09-28T14:51:07 <sdaftuar> yes murch!
3742023-09-28T14:51:15 <Murch[m]> Thanks
3752023-09-28T14:55:43 <Murch[m]> I wanted to say that I donât think having two separate votes for what projects you like vs will review adds to the process. Itâll put an onus on us to find a scoring mechanism for the two different votes to end up having a single order and just complicates things. Iâd prefer that people just do their best to support the projects that they would like to see prioritized and vote for only that
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3942023-09-28T17:24:16 <stickies-v> Murch[m]: I don't think it has to complicate things too much, besides adding an additional round. The "what should be priority" would be entirely informational, to help us inform perceived importance. The actual priorities should then only be based on the second "what will i actively contribute to" vote, because if not enough people are willing/able to work on it then there's no point making it prio
3952023-09-28T17:24:51 <Murch[m]> Sure, that would be a way to solve it
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4162023-09-28T19:00:57 <kanzure> are there written summaries available oof the recent IRL meets?
4172023-09-28T19:02:24 <sipa> kanzure: my understanding is that there will be
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4202023-09-28T19:14:29 <ajonas> kanzure: aiming to have them published tomorrow
4212023-09-28T19:16:54 <kanzure> thank you.
4222023-09-28T19:17:07 <kanzure> sorry i couldn't be there to do it :)
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