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1542024-03-20T14:21:53 <willcl-ark> Is CJDNS still relatively functional? It seems to me that the project is pretty much unmaintained -- about 10 bugfix commits in 2023 so I have some reservations about the maintenance burden vs usefulness. Browsing the subreddit also seems to indicate that most development (and users?) have migrated to Yggdrasil, and I'm wondering if we should consider a similar migration in the future?
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1572024-03-20T14:27:00 <sipa> i don't think CJDNS has really ever been functional
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1602024-03-20T14:34:54 <no-world> I found the fix for my 10500 wallet.dat(s) ad possibly others - Pull Request (PR-#29124) https://GitHub.com/Bitcoin/pull/29124/files
1612024-03-20T14:34:55 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29124 | wallet: Automatically repair corrupted metadata with doubled derivation path by achow101 · Pull Request #29124 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1622024-03-20T14:35:07 <no-world> But how do install it or run it?
1632024-03-20T14:35:23 <brunoerg> I think CJDNS doesn't have so many dev activity since 2020
1642024-03-20T14:35:36 <no-world> Do I need Satoshi (Bitcoin QT-Core) v.0.22.x
1652024-03-20T14:36:19 <no-world> Thanks
1662024-03-20T14:36:34 <sipa> no-world: that is a proposed patch, you'll need to either wait for it to be merged, and then released in a new version, or compile it yourself
1672024-03-20T14:36:53 <sipa> but it seems irrelevant for 10500 wallets, as those don't have derivation paths
1682024-03-20T14:37:40 <no-world> Ok, thanks - how do I compile it - do I need Nokia QT or is that what GitHub supplies - thanks -
1692024-03-20T14:38:10 <no-world> Ok, I read over that pull request and it shows the wallet version was 10500
1702024-03-20T14:39:15 <no-world> I'm guessing the wallet was upgraded, was it upgraded to HD
1712024-03-20T14:40:53 <no-world> Thanks Ill figure it out. #29124 is there a pull request for gen=1?
1722024-03-20T14:40:54 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29124 | wallet: Automatically repair corrupted metadata with doubled derivation path by achow101 · Pull Request #29124 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1732024-03-20T14:46:26 <sipa> no-world: no, there is no built-in miner anymore, it would be pointless
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1942024-03-20T15:16:55 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 38f70ba Greg Sanders: RPC: Add maxfeerate and maxburnamount args to submitpackage
1952024-03-20T15:16:56 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5d045c3 glozow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#28950: RPC: Add maxfeerate and maxburnamount args to...
1962024-03-20T15:16:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #28950: RPC: Add maxfeerate and maxburnamount args to submitpackage (master...2023-11-submitpackage-max-fee-burn) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28950
1972024-03-20T15:16:56 <bitcoin-git> [guix.sigs] svanstaa opened pull request #1101: Add attestation by svanstaa for 27.0rc1 codesigned and non-codesigned (main...main) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/guix.sigs/pull/1101
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2012024-03-20T15:17:00 <Murch[m]> laanwj: That happens to me sometimes when my auth with nickserv times out
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2032024-03-20T15:17:01 <laanwj> i'm fine with either, yes it is a lot of noise, compared to actual changes to the source code, but yeah it can also be useful to see that others are building
2042024-03-20T15:17:01 <laanwj> the amount of noise could be limited by only mentioning merged PRs for that repo, not the individual commits
2052024-03-20T15:17:02 <laanwj> there's no setting for that in the bot right now to configure that per repo, but it shouldn't be too involved to implement
2062024-03-20T15:17:02 <laanwj> the amount of code dedicated to cjdns support is minimal (it's mostly just IPv6), i dont think it's that much of a maintenance burden? that said, if no one uses it, there's no point
2072024-03-20T15:17:03 <laanwj> agree, i had a bitcoin node on cjdns, but it's a long time ago
2082024-03-20T15:17:03 <laanwj> willcl-ark have you used yggdrasil? at least superficially it looks very similar to cjdns, as a custom mapping of public keys to IPv6; but it uses the `200::/7` range instead of `fc00::/8`
2092024-03-20T15:17:04 <laanwj> you could handle it in the same way, though if you want address gossip/seeding you'd have to define a addrv2 type
2102024-03-20T15:17:04 <laanwj> Pieter oh... weird!
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2162024-03-20T15:18:49 <BlueMatt[m]> grrr, sorry, the bot got a bit behind due to a config issue and you got a replay of stale messages
2172024-03-20T15:19:18 <sipa> they don't seem too stale
2182024-03-20T15:19:50 <BlueMatt[m]> well, anything that hadnt been sent since like yesterday, but most of it was actually recent :)
2192024-03-20T15:21:20 <lightlike> my experience with CJDNS is that it worked well and fast, but there were almost no other peers using it (<10 when I last checked).
2202024-03-20T15:22:49 <sipa> lightlike: yeah, i don't think it's technically broken, but the philosophy behind it really isn't an overlay network like tor/i2p, nor is its primary goal privacy, but really its purpose is the super-ambitious "build a replacement for the internet with manually-configured links"... and it doesn't seem to be succeeding at all in that regard
2212024-03-20T15:23:00 <lightlike> "the amount of code dedicated to cjdns support is minimal (it's mostly just IPv6), i dont think it's that much of a maintenance burden?" Imo it's mostly the "MaybeFlipIPv6toCJDNS" hack that has caused some headaches (and is still not fixed everywhere I think).
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2232024-03-20T15:23:29 <lightlike> fyi @vasild (if you haven't seen this)
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2262024-03-20T15:23:55 <sipa> lightlike: yeah, that's fair - i don't think it's a particularly large burden for us
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2302024-03-20T15:25:26 <sipa> but there are perhaps expectations that matter; given how tiny the CJDNS-intersect-Bitcoin network is, choosing for example to run CJDNS-only would be an absolutely terrible idea
2312024-03-20T15:28:48 <laanwj> it's mostly useful to have an alternative connection to the network outside your normal ISP (to prevent eclipse), then again, tor and i2p work for that too, and for bitcoin their higher latency isn't really a problem
2322024-03-20T15:30:54 <sipa> yeah, generally more networks = better partition/eclipse resistance
2332024-03-20T15:31:03 <sipa> but in the case of CJDNS the benefit is pretty tiny
2342024-03-20T15:31:59 <laanwj> yes, messages from irc seem to be duplicated by the bridghe
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2512024-03-20T15:35:24 <BlueMatt[m]> okay, I kicked it again, hopefully now its not so sad
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2542024-03-20T15:36:25 <sipa> let's see
2552024-03-20T15:36:28 <achow101> my crawler so far hasn't found any cjdns nodes, except the one I seeded it with
2562024-03-20T15:36:39 <achow101> although maybe it hasn't been running for long enough
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2682024-03-20T15:56:06 <willcl-ark> laanwj: No I didn't manage to get CJDNS set up yet, as in actually connected into the network. Investigations into searching for peers to get bootstrapped led me to github, reddit etc. where there just seemed to be folks proclaiming it as dead (years ago), and mentioning Yggdrasil as a maintained/alive alternative L2 overlay project.
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2702024-03-20T16:22:22 <brunoerg> fyi: https://sudonull.com/post/31578-CJDNS-is-dead-long-live-Yggdrasil
2712024-03-20T16:26:17 <b10c> is there a cmake-migration channel?
2722024-03-20T16:26:38 <hebasto> b10c: no
2732024-03-20T16:27:12 <hebasto> I posted updates in #bitcoin-core-builds
2742024-03-20T16:31:03 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 7 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5b9831a0a501...0b96a1925e21
2752024-03-20T16:31:03 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bcbd7eb furszy: bench: basic block filter index initial sync
2762024-03-20T16:31:04 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 331f044 furszy: index: blockfilter, decouple Write into its own function
2772024-03-20T16:31:04 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a6756ec furszy: index: blockfilter, decouple header lookup into its own function
2782024-03-20T16:31:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #28955: index: block filters sync, reduce disk read operations by caching last header (master...2023_index_blockfilter_cache_header) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28955
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2802024-03-20T16:41:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0b96a1925e21...69ddee6f393e
2812024-03-20T16:41:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dfcef53 Matthew Zipkin: blockstorage: do not flush block to disk if it is already there
2822024-03-20T16:41:51 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 69ddee6 Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27039: blockstorage: do not flush block to disk if i...
2832024-03-20T16:41:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #27039: blockstorage: do not flush block to disk if it is already there (master...reindex-read-only) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27039
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2872024-03-20T16:57:04 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 9 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/69ddee6f393e...b50554babddd
2882024-03-20T16:57:05 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f252e68 Ryan Ofsky: assumeutxo test: Add RPC test for fake nTx and nChainTx values
2892024-03-20T16:57:05 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 63e8fc9 Ryan Ofsky: ci: add getchaintxstats ubsan suppressions
2902024-03-20T16:57:06 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0fd915e Ryan Ofsky: validation: Check GuessVerificationProgress is not called with disconnecte...
2912024-03-20T16:57:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #29370: assumeutxo: Get rid of faked nTx and nChainTx values (master...pr/nofake) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29370
2922024-03-20T17:07:13 <vasild> willcl-ark: laanwj: sipa: lightlike: My node has 1 p2p connection to a CJDNS node and in my addrman there are 2 (!?) CJDNS addresses. It works, but is not popular. One usecase for it could be in environments where Tor and I2P are blocked by a firewall/gov/isp/whatever and the operator still wants to hide the fact that they are running bitcoin node from their ISP. But for this it needs some
2932024-03-20T17:07:19 <vasild> minimum amount of people to run bitcoin node on CJDNS. I was going to suggest this on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29618 where the OP pushes for p2p-v2-only option as if the presence of v1 connection is harmful and talks about environments where Tor and I2P are blocked. Surely, if CJDNS becomes popular it will be blocked as well :)
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2952024-03-20T17:10:35 <vasild> IIRC I2P was not popular either until at some point some distros included it by default (e.g. umbrella, rasbiblitz and alike). Now there are thousands of I2P nodes.
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2982024-03-20T18:11:56 <sipa> vasild: i think a difference between CJDNS and I2P is the (by design) manual configuration needed for CJDNS
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3002024-03-20T18:18:53 <emzy> I always needed to add other CJDNS "gateways" because I could not connect to the old. No idea what the issue was. Maybe changing home IP. FIW it was not woking for long without repeating attention.
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3132024-03-20T20:38:49 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b50554babddd...bf1b6383dbbf
3142024-03-20T20:38:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f65b0f6 Fabian Jahr: index: Move last_locator_write_time and logging to end of threadsync loop
3152024-03-20T20:38:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bf1b638 Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#29671: index: avoid "failed to commit" errors on ini...
3162024-03-20T20:38:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #29671: index: avoid "failed to commit" errors on initialization (master...2024-03-pr26903-reopen) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29671
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3242024-03-20T21:40:20 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] brunoerg closed pull request #26863: test: merge banning test from p2p_disconnect_ban to rpc_setban (master...2023-01-merge-ban-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26863
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