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42025-02-06T00:51:09 <achow101> It seems the bot does not like punctuation. I'll adjust the regex when I have time
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112025-02-06T02:48:30 <achow101> #31622,
122025-02-06T02:48:32 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31622 | psbt: add non-default sighash types to PSBTs and unify sighash type match checking by achow101 · Pull Request #31622 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
132025-02-06T02:48:35 <achow101> there we go
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252025-02-06T05:02:29 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a43f08c4ae32...ae9eaa063b68
262025-02-06T05:02:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3f4b104 Sergi Delgado Segura: test: make sure we are on sync with a peer before checking if they have se...
272025-02-06T05:02:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ae9eaa0 glozow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#31760: test: make sure we are on sync with a peer be...
282025-02-06T05:02:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #31760: test: make sure we are on sync with a peer before checking if they have sent a message (master...2025-01-fix-p2p-orphan-halding-requests-check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31760
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302025-02-06T05:56:19 <glozow> sr_gi: remember to delete the template text before you open a PR, as the full OP is included in the merge commit
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332025-02-06T05:58:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1973a9e Sergi Delgado Segura: test: fixes p2p_ibd_txrelay wait time
342025-02-06T05:58:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 82ba505 glozow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#31759: test: fixes p2p_ibd_txrelay wait time
352025-02-06T05:58:18 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow merged pull request #31759: test: fixes p2p_ibd_txrelay wait time (master...2025-01-fix-p2p-ibd-txrelay-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31759
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542025-02-06T09:03:59 <laanwj> just renewed bitcoincore.org until 2034
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612025-02-06T10:01:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/82ba50513425...d6c229d8bd4a
622025-02-06T10:01:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f1d7a6d Hennadii Stepanov: ci: Remove no longer needed '-Wno-error=documentation'
632025-02-06T10:01:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d6c229d merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#31804: ci: Remove no longer needed `-Wno-error=docum...
642025-02-06T10:01:28 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #31804: ci: Remove no longer needed `-Wno-error=documentation` (master...250205-ci-flags) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31804
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692025-02-06T10:44:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #31809: Prepare "Open Transifex translations for v29.0" release step (master...250206-translations) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31809
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902025-02-06T13:12:27 <jon_atack> laanwj: great!
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1052025-02-06T14:14:12 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow opened pull request #31810: TxOrphanage: account for size of orphans and count announcements (master...2025-02-orphanage-accounting) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31810
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1112025-02-06T14:57:10 <ajonas> #proposedmeetingtopic Bitcoin Core contributor survey
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1192025-02-06T15:34:12 <sr_gi[m]> glozow: ups, my bad :/
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1242025-02-06T15:59:18 <glozow> hi
1252025-02-06T15:59:23 <gleb> hi
1262025-02-06T15:59:25 <Murch[m]> hi
1272025-02-06T15:59:28 <Murch[m]> oh no, early
1282025-02-06T16:00:12 <glozow> #startmeeting
1292025-02-06T16:00:13 <corebot> glozow: Meeting started at 2025-02-06T16:00+0000
1302025-02-06T16:00:14 <corebot> glozow: Current chairs: glozow
1312025-02-06T16:00:15 <corebot> glozow: Useful commands: #action #info #idea #link #topic #motion #vote #close #endmeeting
1322025-02-06T16:00:16 <corebot> glozow: See also: https://hcoop-meetbot.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
1332025-02-06T16:00:17 <corebot> glozow: Participants should now identify themselves with '#here' or with an alias like '#here FirstLast'
1342025-02-06T16:00:23 <cfields> hi
1352025-02-06T16:00:26 <furszy> hi
1362025-02-06T16:00:27 <dzxzg> hi
1372025-02-06T16:00:29 <sr_gi[m]> hi
1382025-02-06T16:00:30 <darosior> hi
1392025-02-06T16:00:33 <pinheadmz> yo
1402025-02-06T16:00:42 <hebasto> hi
1412025-02-06T16:00:45 <achow101> Hi (mostly afk, skip my wg updates)
1422025-02-06T16:00:46 <brunoerg> hi
1432025-02-06T16:00:58 <Murch[m]> hi
1442025-02-06T16:00:59 <glozow> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: abubakarsadiq achow101 _aj_ ajonas b10c brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jarolrod jonatack josibake kanzure laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa sr_gi tdb3 theStack TheCharlatan vasild willcl-ark
1452025-02-06T16:01:01 <ajonas> Hi
1462025-02-06T16:01:17 <dergoegge> hi
1472025-02-06T16:01:30 <glozow> Any topics? I don't see any in https://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt
1482025-02-06T16:01:37 <stickies-v> hi
1492025-02-06T16:01:41 <abubakarsadiq> hi
1502025-02-06T16:01:47 <ajonas> I proposed one
1512025-02-06T16:01:47 <cfields> one from ajonas above.
1522025-02-06T16:01:57 <sipa> hi
1532025-02-06T16:02:06 <glozow> I figured but can't see it for some reason
1542025-02-06T16:02:16 <cfields> <ajonas> #proposedmeetingtopic Bitcoin Core contributor survey
1552025-02-06T16:02:25 <glozow> thanks!
1562025-02-06T16:02:37 <glozow> #topic Erlay WG Update (sr_gi, gleb, marcofleon)
1572025-02-06T16:03:07 <theStack> hi
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1592025-02-06T16:03:56 <gleb> Iâm converging my new research results with sergi and I hope we proceed with more implementation work real soon :)
1602025-02-06T16:04:36 <sr_gi[m]> I don't have much to report this week, I continued working on some of the proposed improvements after last week's meeting, but no results so far, mostly brainstorming. I did start making the approach and experiments more easily accessible on delving, so people that are not following too closely have an easy access to them
1612025-02-06T16:04:36 <glozow> #topic Fuzzing WG Update (dergoegge)
1622025-02-06T16:05:05 <dergoegge> i'll have something to shill at coredev but no update today
1632025-02-06T16:05:36 <glozow> ok
1642025-02-06T16:06:31 <glozow> I don't see people for kernel, benchmarking, silent payments, SV2, musig, legacy wallet removal, or multiprocess
1652025-02-06T16:06:56 <glozow> I'll go next, please lmk if you want to give a WG update
1662025-02-06T16:07:04 <glozow> #topic orphan resolution WG Update (glozow)
1672025-02-06T16:07:12 <glozow> I've opened #31810 which does internal tracking for number of announcements and "memory usage" (weight). This has no behavior changes and should be reviewable by anybody. The second PR to actually add *limits* for these things is also coming soon.
1682025-02-06T16:07:14 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31810 | TxOrphanage: account for size of orphans and count announcements by glozow · Pull Request #31810 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1692025-02-06T16:07:27 <sipa> exciting
1702025-02-06T16:07:50 <sr_gi[m]> ð
1712025-02-06T16:07:57 <glozow> yes! extra emphasis on "this should be really straightforward to review"
1722025-02-06T16:08:18 <glozow> #topic Cluster Mempool WG Update (sdaftuar, sipa)
1732025-02-06T16:08:42 <sipa> hello
1742025-02-06T16:09:33 <sipa> not much observable review on txgraph (so far?), but i've been getting comments from sdaftuar based on rebasing the full cluster mempool code on top, and making changes/additions to help with those
1752025-02-06T16:10:00 <sipa> also we had a nice review club by glozow about it yesterday, the discussion may be interesting for anyone wishing to review
1762025-02-06T16:10:12 <sipa> otherwise nothing big happening on my side, just addressing feedback
1772025-02-06T16:10:24 <glozow> logs from yesterday's meeting: https://bitcoincore.reviews/31363
1782025-02-06T16:10:50 <furszy> re legacy wallet removal update: the focus is still on #31495, which has received some review.
1792025-02-06T16:10:54 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31495 | wallet: Utilize IsMine() and CanProvide() in migration to cover edge cases by achow101 · Pull Request #31495 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1802025-02-06T16:10:56 <sipa> oh, and cluster linearization was apparently solved in a paper from 1978, and subsequently improved
1812025-02-06T16:11:51 <glozow> sipa: no biggie
1822025-02-06T16:12:53 <dergoegge> link to the paper?
1832025-02-06T16:13:02 <cfields> haha
1842025-02-06T16:13:09 <glozow> furszy: thanks
1852025-02-06T16:13:20 <glozow> last call for WG updates?
1862025-02-06T16:13:23 <darosior> Discussion here https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/how-to-linearize-your-cluster/303/9
1872025-02-06T16:13:24 <sipa> dergoegge: https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/how-to-linearize-your-cluster/303/12
1882025-02-06T16:13:29 <dergoegge> thanks
1892025-02-06T16:13:32 <sipa> (and posts before and after it)
1902025-02-06T16:13:55 <glozow> #topic Bitcoin Core contributor survey (ajonas)
1912025-02-06T16:14:10 <ajonas> I've compiled the results of the contributor survey. A good turnout this year so thanks to those that responded to my pestering. It's here: https://adamjonas.com/bitcoin/coredev/retro/coredev-2024-retro
1922025-02-06T16:14:19 <ajonas> that's all
1932025-02-06T16:14:31 <glozow> ajonas: thanks!
1942025-02-06T16:14:59 <kevkevin> hi
1952025-02-06T16:15:00 <sipa> ajonas: sorry :(
1962025-02-06T16:15:33 <glozow> #topic v29.0 release priorities
1972025-02-06T16:15:50 <glozow> Reminder that we have feature freeze in 2 weeks
1982025-02-06T16:16:01 <glozow> There are 31 items on the milestone: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/69
1992025-02-06T16:16:19 <stickies-v> ajonas: "and 228 first-time reviewers" -> does that exclude the spam no-comment (or deleted) ACKs?
2002025-02-06T16:16:33 <stickies-v> thank you for compiling this, again!
2012025-02-06T16:16:54 <stickies-v> (ACKs or GitHub approves etc)
2022025-02-06T16:16:56 <glozow> Does anybody have anything to add or remove from the milestone?
2032025-02-06T16:17:46 <ajonas> stickies-v: I actually don't know. My guess is they are included but it would depend on what goes into the b10c source
2042025-02-06T16:18:54 <stickies-v> it seems like a surprisingly high number when accounting for spam
2052025-02-06T16:19:06 <Murch[m]> b10c: Can you clarify?
2062025-02-06T16:19:29 <glozow> My guess would be that deleted comments don't get pulled into the data
2072025-02-06T16:19:47 <glozow> It seems weird that github would serve that info
2082025-02-06T16:20:59 <sipa> i believe it doesn't
2092025-02-06T16:21:03 <fanquake> A new first-time reviewer showing up every 2/3 days for the entire year does seem high
2102025-02-06T16:21:18 <furszy> there are bots that "approve" changes without leaving any comment too. And AFAIK, those aren't removed?
2112025-02-06T16:21:27 <sipa> furszy: they're unremovable :(
2122025-02-06T16:21:37 <lightlike> some comments can't be deleted are just marked as hidden then.
2132025-02-06T16:21:42 <furszy> :/
2142025-02-06T16:22:28 <glozow> script is open source if anybody wants to spend their time looking at this instead of reviewing 29.0 PRs https://github.com/bitschmidty/bitcoin-core-contributor-stats
2152025-02-06T16:22:42 <achow101> We might want to consider turning on the limit on new github users
2162025-02-06T16:22:52 <ajonas> I modified it a bit and will need to push back my changes
2172025-02-06T16:23:02 <ajonas> *a lot
2182025-02-06T16:24:17 <glozow> ajonas: you are using the british "a bit"
2192025-02-06T16:24:46 <glozow> ok well, everybody, start thinking about who's going to review your PRs for v29 and which ones you'll review. that's all
2202025-02-06T16:24:53 <glozow> anything else to discuss?
2212025-02-06T16:25:20 <stickies-v> interesting how the mean personal satisfaction < mean project satisfaction. i don't think that would track with many psychology experiments
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2242025-02-06T16:26:04 <glozow> stickies-v: I imagine it could be modesty
2252025-02-06T16:26:12 <glozow> I don't think I'd ever give myself a 5
2262025-02-06T16:26:15 <sipa> or selection bias
2272025-02-06T16:26:23 <glozow> #endmeeting
2282025-02-06T16:26:23 <corebot> glozow: Meeting ended at 2025-02-06T16:26+0000
2292025-02-06T16:26:24 <corebot> glozow: Raw log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-02-06_16_00.log.json
2302025-02-06T16:26:25 <corebot> glozow: Formatted log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-02-06_16_00.log.html
2312025-02-06T16:26:26 <corebot> glozow: Minutes: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-02-06_16_00.html
2322025-02-06T16:26:29 <sipa> "this project sucks!" people might not bother responding
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2352025-02-06T16:27:29 <ajonas> sipa: that is exactly what I jotted down for everyone who didn't respond
2362025-02-06T16:27:43 <Murch[m]> achow101: What restrictions were you considering to add for new users? If there were a way to get rid of "no comment approvals" that would be neat, but then theyâd probably just add a garbage comment
2372025-02-06T16:27:47 <sipa> ajonas: (that's not the reason i didn't respond, promise)
2382025-02-06T16:28:18 <stickies-v> yeah, fair. I was thinking about Dunning-Kruger but I guess skills is different from satisfaction. Easier to be modest on satisfaction :-D
2392025-02-06T16:28:28 <achow101> Murch: https://docs.github.com/en/communities/moderating-comments-and-conversations/limiting-interactions-in-your-repository
2402025-02-06T16:29:09 <achow101> The existing users one was what I was thinking
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2422025-02-06T16:32:55 <Murch[m]> achow101:
2432025-02-06T16:32:56 * Murch[m] uploaded an image: (30KiB) < https://matrix.bitcoin.ninja/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/CwfJDdzsiJNrUQRTxBcKNPnP/image.png >
2442025-02-06T16:33:27 <Murch[m]> This might be interesting given that we donât really use the "approve" feature but have our ACKs and NACKs
2452025-02-06T16:33:36 <achow101> Can't see the image
2462025-02-06T16:33:58 <sipa> same
2472025-02-06T16:34:18 <Murch[m]> Moderation Options â Code review limits â Limit to users explicitly granted read or higher access.
2482025-02-06T16:34:34 <Murch[m]> > When enabled, only users explicitly granted access to this repository will be able to submit pull request reviews that "approve" or "request changes". All users able to submit comment pull request reviews will continue to be able to do so.
2492025-02-06T16:34:55 <achow101> Hmm, intersting
2502025-02-06T16:35:51 <Murch[m]> Please for the whole org ^^
2512025-02-06T16:36:02 <Murch[m]> We have had a lot of spam in the BIPs repository
2522025-02-06T16:37:07 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #31811: test: test_inv_block, use mocktime instead of waiting (master...2025-02-tx_dl_mocktime) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31811
2532025-02-06T16:37:07 <achow101> There are bip authors who use approvals though
2542025-02-06T16:38:05 <Murch[m]> Mh, fair
2552025-02-06T16:38:25 <achow101> We can try and see if anyone complains
2562025-02-06T16:38:47 <Murch[m]> Maybe do it just for the /bitcoin project and not the org then
2572025-02-06T16:39:26 <Murch[m]> Also the "request changes" might be used more often than the approval, while all the spam is empty approvals
2582025-02-06T16:39:57 <achow101> i rarely see anyone use request changes, and I believe the few ties i'e seen it, it's been by org members
2592025-02-06T16:40:08 <achow101> so anyone who has used it should still be able to
2602025-02-06T16:41:06 <achow101> enabled the code review limits on all bitcoin/ repos
2612025-02-06T16:44:38 <achow101> although review comments also cannot be deleted
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2642025-02-06T17:00:32 <Murch[m]> <achow101> "i rarely see anyone use request..." <- I think itâs used frequently in the BIPs repo
2652025-02-06T17:00:46 <Murch[m]> Okay, letâs see what happens
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2702025-02-06T17:17:54 <jarolrod> Apparently my messages didnât send during the meeting :(
2712025-02-06T17:18:15 <jarolrod> Over the past two weeks, contributors on the QML GUI have been planning out next steps as we finalize some of the larger features.
2722025-02-06T17:18:33 <jarolrod> want to announce the creation of a working group for the QML GUI to:
2732025-02-06T17:18:33 <jarolrod> - Broadcast status updates to core devs who are interested in the progress of the work.
2742025-02-06T17:18:33 <jarolrod> - Serve as a place to discuss adjacent work like, QT6 migration, an effective wallet interface for the GUI, what role the QML GUI can play within the multiprocess work, and a redesign for bitcoincore.org (https://youtu.be/e2m1iEWJplM)
2752025-02-06T17:18:33 <jarolrod> - Serve as a place where core devs can hear from and interface with the Bitcoin Design Community, whoâs been at the heart of a lot of the work
2762025-02-06T17:18:51 <jarolrod> If youâd like to be added to the group please DM me here on IRC, over Signal, Twitter, TikTok, wherever you can find me.
2772025-02-06T17:19:06 <jarolrod> We also intend to provide weekly updates at the IRC meetings.
2782025-02-06T17:22:24 <jarolrod> laanwj: a renewal to 2034 needs a design to last until 2034 ð®
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2832025-02-06T17:55:01 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vijayabhaskar78 opened pull request #31813: Fix MSVC ccache reporting (Fixes #31771) (master...fix-ccache-reporting) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31813
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3052025-02-06T20:22:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d6c229d8bd4a...f93d6cb0caa9
3062025-02-06T20:22:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2b51dd3 Hennadii Stepanov: Update Transifex slug for 29.x
3072025-02-06T20:22:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 864386a Hennadii Stepanov: cmake: Ensure generated sources are up to date for `translate` target
3082025-02-06T20:22:16 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2f27c91 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Update the `src/qt/locale/bitcoin_en.xlf` translation source file
3092025-02-06T20:22:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto merged pull request #31809: Prepare "Open Transifex translations for v29.0" release step (master...250206-translations) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31809
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3112025-02-06T20:35:36 <instagibbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31810#discussion_r1945376879 sipa my understanding was that we'd be repeatedly un-announce a particular peer based on the reservation-use ratio (in weight). The trim loop would just keep going until both total (deduplicated) weight usage and total announcement count goes below required levels
3122025-02-06T20:35:50 <instagibbs> I guess I never saw the new approach literally written down, so maybe misunderstanding
3132025-02-06T20:40:08 <sipa> instagibbs: my understanding was that we'd have two dimensions: the memory one (weight, whose global value is deduplicated orphans weight, and whose local value is sum of announcements' weight) and a cpu one (announcements, whose global count is total number of announcements, local count is announcements per peer)
3142025-02-06T20:40:48 <instagibbs> thinking more about my model, yeah might be problematic. Someone could drive up announcement counts with illegitimate tiny txns and punish honest relayers pretty easily
3152025-02-06T20:40:59 <sipa> and then we'd separately enforce: if global memory is too high, pick an announcement from the peer with the highest local_weight / reservation to remove
3162025-02-06T20:41:01 <instagibbs> it's two resource buckets
3172025-02-06T20:41:20 <sipa> if global cpu is too high, pick an announcement from the peer with the highest local_count / reservation to remove
3182025-02-06T20:41:46 <instagibbs> agreed, my idea was wrong/insufficient
3192025-02-06T20:42:23 <sipa> and i think you missed this part: you can do both in the same loop, by computing max(global_weight / global_reservation, global_count / global_max_count) as global number, and max(local_weight / local_reservation, local_count / local_reservation) as local one to remove from
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3212025-02-06T20:45:34 <sipa> but this means you need: (a) global deduplicated orphans weight (b) per-peer announced orphans weight (c) global number of announcements (d) number of announcements per peer
3222025-02-06T20:45:49 <instagibbs> yes
3232025-02-06T20:45:50 <sipa> and i don't see (c) and (d) being tracked in the current PR yet
3242025-02-06T20:48:41 <instagibbs> (c) I think is calculated, but not (d)
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3282025-02-06T20:55:05 <sipa> (c) could be computed by summing all OrphanTx::announcers.size()
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3382025-02-06T21:18:34 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #31814: ci: Bump fuzz task timeout (master...2502-ci-fuzz) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31814
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3412025-02-06T21:47:27 <b10c> ajonas: stickies-v: Murch[m]: no-comment "Approves" are a "reviewed" event with state=APPROVED and are included in the backup. I haven't checked if these are filtered by the bitcoin-core-contributor-stats tool
3422025-02-06T21:48:29 <b10c> see for example "Jess25051980"'s approval in #25832: https://github.com/bitcoin-data/github-metadata-backup-bitcoin-bitcoin/blob/37f6a9d5ba88371f39cc080dce37de37ff80fce1/pulls/25832.json#L2924-L2935
3432025-02-06T21:48:32 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25832 | tracing: network connection tracepoints by 0xB10C · Pull Request #25832 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3462025-02-06T22:01:46 <darosior> kanzure: looks like this email shows in the Google archives but not at gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev https://groups.google.com/g/bitcoinminingdev/c/qyrPzU1WKSI/m/uzxS5jG0AwAJ
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3482025-02-06T22:21:41 <darosior> It might be confusing to release both a bitcoin-wallet utility and a bitcoin-wallet binary as part of multiprocess?
3492025-02-06T22:24:08 <darosior> We could rename the utility, but then it would be nice to at least have one deprecation cycle. Given recent momentum i estimate it's possible we might release multiprocess in 30.0, which means if we want to deprecate the bitcoin-wallet utility name we should do it.. now?
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3522025-02-06T22:33:31 <sipa> bitcoin-wallet-util ?
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