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212 2015-10-04T10:59:52 <an0n> hello, my bitcoin core is showing outgoing transactions with -1 confirmations
213 2015-10-04T11:00:11 <an0n> then they get resent with another tx and they get confirmed
214 2015-10-04T11:00:31 <an0n> any idea why is it happening?
215 2015-10-04T11:02:33 <btcdrak> an0n transaction malleability attack
216 2015-10-04T11:03:33 <an0n> it's bitcoins I'm sending, not receiving
217 2015-10-04T11:05:59 <an0n> not sure what malleability attack is tbh
218 2015-10-04T11:08:26 <btcdrak> an0n: someone is taking unconfirmed transactions and malleating the signatures (which changes the txid)
219 2015-10-04T11:08:42 <btcdrak> an0n: check this link out blog.coinkite.com/post/130318407326/ongoing-bitcoin-malleability-attack-low-s-high
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221 2015-10-04T11:09:14 <btcdrak> also, probably should continue in #bitcoin
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223 2015-10-04T11:10:12 <an0n> so it's a network issue, not my wallet/client?
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425 2015-10-04T18:46:45 <arne> need node to get verify
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437 2015-10-04T18:59:36 <bitcoin247> EXCEPTION: N5boost10filesystem16filesystem_errorE boost::filesystem::create_directory: Input/output error: "/media/eds/4456D33E56D32F82/bitcoin/database" bitcoin in Runaway exception
438 2015-10-04T18:59:48 <bitcoin247> anyone know a reason for this?
439 2015-10-04T19:02:28 <develCuy> Is there any plans on implementing an index for addresses and balances? similar to txindex?
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441 2015-10-04T19:05:51 <jcorgan> no, addresses don't have balances
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445 2015-10-04T19:12:48 <develCuy> jcorgan: AFAIK there is a way to calculate balance from the public blockchain
446 2015-10-04T19:15:02 <Apocalyptic> develCuy, there is already an addrindex patch from sipa for 0.9 something, it's not maintained though
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448 2015-10-04T19:19:48 <jcorgan> the addrindex patch will keep a database of txouts associated with addresses, but it has nothing to do with "balances"
449 2015-10-04T19:20:39 <jgarzik> You can calculate the total value of all unspent tx outputs available for hash(public key X) to spend.
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552 2015-10-04T19:54:53 <develCuy> jcorgan: do you mean this? https://counterparty.io/docs/bitcoin_core/
553 2015-10-04T19:56:32 <jcorgan> that is the patch as maintained by them, yes. fyi, using that will approximately double the storage requirements of the blockchain database.
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570 2015-10-04T20:36:50 <taylorhamcheese> Can anybody see this? New to IRC...
571 2015-10-04T20:36:58 <taylorhamcheese> 2
572 2015-10-04T20:39:59 <Anduck_> sure.
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574 2015-10-04T20:41:08 <taylorhamcheese> anyone have any books or websites to recommend to help learn about and understand ECDSA?
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616 2015-10-04T22:05:04 <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: did you fix the addrindex bugs gmaxwell had mentioned a while back?
617 2015-10-04T22:05:52 <btcdrak> Luke-Jr: Havent replicated it yet, but also considering a different approach
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619 2015-10-04T22:06:04 <Luke-Jr> hmm, maybe I should wait for that then?
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621 2015-10-04T22:07:06 <btcdrak> Luke-Jr: Maybe, but it is used by a few services in production already.
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630 2015-10-04T22:20:20 <btcdrak> Luke-Jr: how could address reused be prevented?
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632 2015-10-04T22:20:53 <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: your wallet would simply refuse to acknowledge more than one tx to an address
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634 2015-10-04T22:21:30 <btcdrak> but someone could still send funds there. It would really need to be at a consensus level to be effective
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636 2015-10-04T22:21:54 <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: if someone sends funds to an invalid address, they burn them
637 2015-10-04T22:22:39 <btcdrak> seems like it would be a pretty nasty DOS attack though. Send some dust to an address then when the real payment comes in, *fizzle*
638 2015-10-04T22:24:29 <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: well, you could have the wallet display them both unconfirmed, then only show the larger payment confirmed
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641 2015-10-04T22:26:32 <jcorgan> i really do wish that wallets would display their contents as a list of UTXOs, not receiving addresses
642 2015-10-04T22:27:17 <jcorgan> "these are the things you can spend with the keys that you have"
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644 2015-10-04T22:28:00 <alpalp> much better to not ever display an address that has received funds than to block you from spending it. terminology needs to change if its not too late, address the worst possible word
645 2015-10-04T22:28:12 <Luke-Jr> jcorgan: not much reason to expose UTXOs to users at all
646 2015-10-04T22:28:28 <Luke-Jr> alpalp: context of this discussion is fixing malleability.
647 2015-10-04T22:28:49 <Luke-Jr> alpalp: to do so, address reuse becomes completely insecure
648 2015-10-04T22:29:01 <jcorgan> well, not in their detailed form, but rather have UTXOs be the list item granularity, instead of addresses
649 2015-10-04T22:29:08 <alpalp> ah, then needs to be protocol level fix, right?
650 2015-10-04T22:29:31 <jcorgan> yeah, it would need to be a consensus change
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652 2015-10-04T22:30:01 <Luke-Jr> jcorgan: either UTXOs shown individually, or the entire wallet balance; I agree
653 2015-10-04T22:30:12 <Luke-Jr> alpalp: yes, probably a sighash type
654 2015-10-04T22:30:15 <jcorgan> yeah, i think we agree
655 2015-10-04T22:30:49 <Luke-Jr> jcorgan: since 2011, I have often imagined a wallet that displayed each UTXO as a physical coin you could drag and drop to a transaction you were sending :P
656 2015-10-04T22:31:21 <jcorgan> indeed, a single UTXO is the closest analogy bitcoin has to an actual "coin"
657 2015-10-04T22:31:24 <alpalp> luke-jr: that's a nice design. And even show change being formed. Coins go to be melted and recast
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659 2015-10-04T22:31:50 <alpalp> thats exactly how we spend cash - we provide a set of UTXO's (bills and coins) and receive change.
660 2015-10-04T22:32:25 <Luke-Jr> alpalp: yeah
661 2015-10-04T22:32:32 <btcdrak> Luke-Jr: that would be a great UI.
662 2015-10-04T22:32:56 <jcorgan> but the mis-terminology of "accounts" and "balances" has been perpetuated so long by block explorers that people would think it was a new thing
663 2015-10-04T22:33:07 <jcorgan> i don't think a single block explorer gets it right
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665 2015-10-04T22:33:41 <Luke-Jr> jcorgan: none do AFAIK
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667 2015-10-04T22:35:38 <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: so where is the official addrindex fork? :P
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672 2015-10-04T22:38:21 <btcdrak> https://github.com/btcdrak/bitcoin/tree/addrindex-0.11
673 2015-10-04T22:39:07 <belcher_> in wallets where used addresses are not visible, how would someone check they've been paid after they write "please pay me on address 1XXXX" to their counterparty
674 2015-10-04T22:39:32 <Luke-Jr> belcher_: look at their tx log? :P
675 2015-10-04T22:39:49 <belcher_> so their tx log says which address of theirs is being paid to
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677 2015-10-04T22:40:18 <Luke-Jr> belcher_: it displays the label for the address, of course
678 2015-10-04T22:40:30 <belcher_> okay
679 2015-10-04T22:40:36 <Luke-Jr> how else would you know what you're being paid for? :P
680 2015-10-04T22:41:34 <jcorgan> 'generate address' would include a label for what the future receive transaction is for, which would get displayed when the TX arrives on P2P and then gets confirmed in blocks
681 2015-10-04T22:43:09 <alpalp> luke-jr: that UI breaks down a bit with a large number of UTXO you hold, but I like that idea
682 2015-10-04T22:43:11 <jcorgan> so your list of UTXOs would actually be a list of payments with those labels
683 2015-10-04T22:43:58 <belcher_> generate address would ideally be generate addresses, so payment amounts are harder to correlate for privacy
684 2015-10-04T22:45:37 <Luke-Jr> alpalp: UI could have safes and purses and stuff to put coins in? :P
685 2015-10-04T22:45:50 <Luke-Jr> jcorgan: already does
686 2015-10-04T22:46:02 <Luke-Jr> jcorgan: no reason to tie them to UTXOs though
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688 2015-10-04T22:47:02 <belcher_> the utxos as coins GUI might encourage people to merge inputs more than otherwise
689 2015-10-04T22:47:06 <belcher_> to remove their visual clutter
690 2015-10-04T22:50:00 <Luke-Jr> hm
691 2015-10-04T22:51:12 <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: is that the last 0.11 revision? I don't really have a way to deploy updates/fixes for patchsets..
692 2015-10-04T22:51:17 <Luke-Jr> 0.11.0*
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694 2015-10-04T22:54:02 <btcdrak> hrm, maybe let's start from the next 0.11.1, and I'll start using merge rather than rebase to sync with Core.
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697 2015-10-04T22:54:29 <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: merge vs rebase doesn't matter to me
698 2015-10-04T22:55:22 <btcdrak> that branch is up to date with the current Core 0.11 branch
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701 2015-10-04T22:58:10 <btcdrak> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bitcoin:0.11...btcdrak:addrindex-0.11
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704 2015-10-04T23:15:25 <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: any reason to make this available to more than bitcoind?
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707 2015-10-04T23:19:02 <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: https://gitlab.com/bitcoin/gentoo/commit/e887c7a9bf14f9d2b9cb2de0720e5b7686f7bb71 look okay?
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