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373 2015-10-17T18:50:11 <Dr-G2> Where is Aquentin the core dev?
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405 2015-10-17T19:57:41 <maaku> Dr-G2: ?
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417 2015-10-17T20:32:23 <skyzer> gentlemen, something super strange happened with malleability
418 2015-10-17T20:33:19 <skyzer> be408a5a8cb17191d6684f61dd0a4d3bdcdcd787f18cdaeb6a42fd29a4f1f343 <- this double-spend transaction did hit my bitcoin core, which is now just -1 confirms, but the other malleated transaction that got confirmed never hit my bitcoin core callback :( 51c402a48c7394336e9038e2fc31e92c06f4fb6805ff0151e9946bb1a9c1e6fc
419 2015-10-17T20:34:02 <skyzer> there is a footprint of the first transaction hash, but not the second one that got confirmed. this is frightening, because of that person wasn't credited
420 2015-10-17T20:34:36 <skyzer> I'm not sure how to reproduce that or give additional information to verify it.
421 2015-10-17T20:35:38 <belcher> why is it frightening?
422 2015-10-17T20:36:13 <belcher> one cause might be that miners are malleating transactions now and not broadcasting them first, only in the completed blocks
423 2015-10-17T20:37:03 <skyzer> it's been already more than 12 blocks
424 2015-10-17T20:37:47 <skyzer> frightening is since malleated confirmed transaction never hit my bitcoin core, so my app didn't credit that user at all
425 2015-10-17T20:38:30 <belcher> yes thats worrying
426 2015-10-17T20:38:45 <belcher> so your node only notified you for the unconfirmed but not the confirmed?
427 2015-10-17T20:39:05 <sturles> This may happen if there is a reorg.
428 2015-10-17T20:39:16 <sturles> Assuming you use walletnotify.
429 2015-10-17T20:39:26 <skyzer> belcher: yes
430 2015-10-17T20:39:39 <skyzer> yes, using walletnotify exactly for callback to my script
431 2015-10-17T20:39:53 <belcher> what happens so that walletnotify doesnt fire if theres a reorg ?
432 2015-10-17T20:40:02 <sturles> But there should be a walletconflicts key in gettransaction for the tx with -1 confirmations.
433 2015-10-17T20:40:55 <skyzer> well, now if it's double spent transaction i just drop it after 6 hours if it's -1 confirm. i still want to figure out why bitcoin core didn't notify about confirmed tx
434 2015-10-17T20:41:02 <sturles> walletnotify triggers the first time bitcoind see the transaction and on the first confirm. If there is a reorg, the transaction may suddenly have two confirmations.
435 2015-10-17T20:41:46 <sturles> In that case walletnotify don't trigger. It has happened to me a few times, which is the main reason why I use accounts.
436 2015-10-17T20:42:01 <belcher> is there a workaround ?
437 2015-10-17T20:42:05 <skyzer> yes, sometimes walletnotify shoorts 2-3 confirms notification, but that's okay, now i know the answer to that why not always on 0 and 1.
438 2015-10-17T20:42:29 <skyzer> sturles, wondering same, how to get that malleated confirmed transaction by bitcoin core and that it notifies
439 2015-10-17T20:42:30 <belcher> its odd that walletnotify wont fire if the tx has 2 confirms instaed of 1
440 2015-10-17T20:42:31 <Luke-Jr> also, it should be considered the same transaction even if the txid changes
441 2015-10-17T20:42:42 <sturles> Receiving addresses are tied to accounts, and if a transaction arrives without trigging walletnotify, or if the walletnotify script should fail for some reason, the account will have a positive balance.
442 2015-10-17T20:43:04 <Luke-Jr> but yes, I'd expect to see it fire for a confirmation (at 6 blocks, not 1!)
443 2015-10-17T20:43:14 <belcher> sturles does that mean you have to poll account balances ?
444 2015-10-17T20:43:18 <Luke-Jr> sturles: accounts are dead
445 2015-10-17T20:43:46 <sturles> belcher: Not really, I check them a few times a day just to make sure everything is working.
446 2015-10-17T20:44:13 <sturles> Luke-Jr: So I've heard, but there isn't a replacement yet.
447 2015-10-17T20:44:25 <Luke-Jr> sturles: external accounts you implement yourself
448 2015-10-17T20:44:34 <Luke-Jr> sturles: afaik nobody plans to replace them in bitcoind
449 2015-10-17T20:44:40 <sturles> Luke-Jr: How would that catch this type of errors?
450 2015-10-17T20:44:49 <Luke-Jr> sturles: by not having this type of errors?
451 2015-10-17T20:45:29 <sturles> Luke-Jr: OK, so this walletnotify problem will get fixed?
452 2015-10-17T20:45:52 <Luke-Jr> sturles: depends if someone fixes it
453 2015-10-17T20:46:05 <Luke-Jr> so far it hasn't been reported yet ;)
454 2015-10-17T20:46:11 <skyzer> it's still a mystery why bitcoin core never fired callback for malleated confirmed tx 51c402a48c7394336e9038e2fc31e92c06f4fb6805ff0151e9946bb1a9c1e6fc and how to solve it before user complains about not receiving payment and crediting them manually
455 2015-10-17T20:46:37 <Luke-Jr> skyzer: open an issue if you're sure it never did
456 2015-10-17T20:46:44 <skyzer> all the malleated transaction last week and before were fired by bitcoin core
457 2015-10-17T20:46:52 <skyzer> transactions*
458 2015-10-17T20:46:58 <Luke-Jr> could your notify script have failed somehow?
459 2015-10-17T20:47:01 <sturles> skyzer: I already explained that. A reorg made it get two confirmations instantly, skipping the first.
460 2015-10-17T20:47:06 <skyzer> okay, thanks, i'd need to provide as much details as possible, can you recommend what I can provide extra?
461 2015-10-17T20:47:14 <Luke-Jr> sturles: you've confirmed that behaviour is there?
462 2015-10-17T20:47:33 <sturles> Luke-Jr: Yes. Happened to me many times.
463 2015-10-17T20:47:41 <sturles> Reported on #bitcoin-dev as well.
464 2015-10-17T20:47:54 <Luke-Jr> sturles: GitHub issues is the place to report stuff if you don't want it forgotten
465 2015-10-17T20:48:11 <sturles> Requires a GitHub account, I think.
466 2015-10-17T20:48:19 <Luke-Jr> skyzer: if you are able to write a test case reproducing it, that would be very handy
467 2015-10-17T20:48:39 <Luke-Jr> skyzer: it doesn't necessarily need to do malleation, just reproduce not getting the 1-block notify in a reorg
468 2015-10-17T20:48:58 <Luke-Jr> sturles: indeed; if you don't want one, pastebin the details to me and I can open it for oyu
469 2015-10-17T20:49:01 <skyzer> so it didn't fire callback since that malleated confirmed tx had already 2 confirms on reorg. sometimes I do see in my database transactions with not 1 confirms but over it.
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471 2015-10-17T20:49:10 <Luke-Jr> sturles: although you won't get notified for comments if we do that
472 2015-10-17T20:49:13 <skyzer> how can re-org be reproduced?
473 2015-10-17T20:49:45 <Luke-Jr> skyzer: some unit tests generate blocks; so make block A->B->C, then C'->D'
474 2015-10-17T20:50:24 <sturles> Luke-Jr: Last time I reported it here, I got the understanding it wasn't considered a bug, and I'm happy as long as I can work around it with accounts. Could write up something of course.
475 2015-10-17T20:50:48 <Luke-Jr> sturles: then maybe there's more to it than I know
476 2015-10-17T20:50:55 <Luke-Jr> actually, as you describe it, it sounds impossible
477 2015-10-17T20:50:59 <Luke-Jr> because *all* reorgs would trigger it
478 2015-10-17T20:51:02 <Luke-Jr> and clearly that is not the case
479 2015-10-17T20:51:30 <Luke-Jr> (based on skyzer's description)
480 2015-10-17T20:51:37 <sturles> No, usually transactions will be confirmed in both chains.
481 2015-10-17T20:51:53 <Luke-Jr> ah, possible
482 2015-10-17T20:52:02 <sturles> So you got one confirmation already, and now you just get an alternate confirmation.
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484 2015-10-17T20:52:24 <kanzure> sturles: "reported on #bitcoin-dev as well" (this is #bitcoin-dev)
485 2015-10-17T20:52:32 <sturles> I know. :-)
486 2015-10-17T20:53:06 <sturles> A long time ago. Could be during the previous malleability storm in January or February 2014.
487 2015-10-17T20:53:41 <sturles> I have been using walletnotify since it arrived in git.
488 2015-10-17T20:58:17 <sturles> To fix this properly, walletnotify should probably trigger on unconfirms as well, if there is a reorg where the tx isn't confirmed, or a tx got gonfirmed with a new txid.
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490 2015-10-17T20:59:54 <skyzer> walletnotify should trigger on any new transaction on 0 and 1 confirm, so no transactions are missed. let your software handle the user balances, since you are waiting anyway for couple of confirmations and not confirmed transactions will be dropped
491 2015-10-17T21:00:23 <sturles> Looks like I reported this first here on Mon Aug 26 2013:
492 2015-10-17T21:00:24 <sturles> 18:02 < sturles> Strange.. I use walletnotify for notification of new transactions to my wallet. I just got a transaction where I got a notify at 0 confirmations (first spotted) and then at 2 confirmations! No notify for first confirmation. How can this happen?
493 2015-10-17T21:00:28 <sturles> 18:02 < Luke-Jr> sturles: reorg
494 2015-10-17T21:00:37 <sturles> From my log. :-)
495 2015-10-17T21:00:48 <sturles> Luke-Jr: You knew about it then. :-)
496 2015-10-17T21:00:53 <Luke-Jr> sturles: but it did notify you!
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499 2015-10-17T21:01:27 <skyzer> sturles, it notified, I see walletnotifys on 1+ confirms all the time. my case was that malleated confirmed transaction was never notified
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501 2015-10-17T21:02:13 <sturles> Same thing. You didn't see the malleated transaction until it suddenly got two confirmations due to a reorg.
502 2015-10-17T21:02:32 <sturles> So it wouldn't trigger at all.
503 2015-10-17T21:02:34 <belcher> okay so it will notify you
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505 2015-10-17T21:02:43 <belcher> and you can use gettxout to check how many blocks deep it is
506 2015-10-17T21:03:39 <Luke-Jr> skyzer's problem is that he was not notified..
507 2015-10-17T21:03:43 <skyzer> so in 1 year out of 10k incoming transactions, that has happened now first time, that bitcoin core never notified of malleated confirmed tx, at least first time user is reporting missing incoming tx and unconfirmed -1 confirm transactions.
508 2015-10-17T21:04:23 <skyzer> so just to repeat: the uncofirmed -1 transaction was notified, but not the malleated confirmed
509 2015-10-17T21:04:36 <skyzer> i guess that's it, need to make some actions to find out the prob
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512 2015-10-17T21:07:15 <sturles> skyzer: Does the -1 transaction have a walletconflicts key?
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514 2015-10-17T21:07:28 <sturles> Something in the array?
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517 2015-10-17T21:08:24 <skyzer> i'm not sure what you mean, the -1 tx is that one I posted above: be408a5a8cb17191d6684f61dd0a4d3bdcdcd787f18cdaeb6a42fd29a4f1f343
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521 2015-10-17T21:12:35 <sturles> No notifications is possible as well, but very rare. Usually you see a transaction before it has been confirmed, but new transactions may show up in a new block as well. Already confirmed. If it first shows up twice confirmed in a reorg, you won't get a notification.
522 2015-10-17T21:14:39 <skyzer> Also while now running a heavily used wallet there are other issues I see from time to time, one that bugs the most is that when 'sendmany' happens, my web server request times out, because for bitcoin core takes too much time to execute, but it still sends out the transactions! So there is no response from bitcoin core and on my app side it's shown that transaction failed, even though
523 2015-10-17T21:14:39 <skyzer> actualy send out happened in bitcoin core, the web server just didn't get response. It happens like once, twice a day, I think it happens while bitcoin core is doing some heavy internal things like block found, reindex etc? Once I ran 'listaddressgroupings' and whole bitcoin core froze, had to kill process and restart it
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526 2015-10-17T21:18:34 <skyzer> sturles: so your only workaround is some script that is verifying balances through accounts not to miss any transaction?
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529 2015-10-17T21:22:40 <skyzer> I wonder if any of block explorers show to for each transaction on how many confirmations it was first seen
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531 2015-10-17T21:24:23 <skyzer> sturles: I see solution here without accounts is to scan on every new block if some of your addresses have received transaction that is not yet recorded in your internal db
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534 2015-10-17T21:28:22 <gmaxwell> skyzer: the problem you're encoutering is likely that you have http keepalive sessions still up and you're exausting your RPC threads.
535 2015-10-17T21:28:52 <gmaxwell> Turning off keepalive in bitcoin core should make the issue go away. (or fix your calling library to close connections more agressively when you're not actually pipelining)
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537 2015-10-17T21:29:41 <skyzer> gmaxwell, I've actually redone everything into queue, and problem lessened alot, only once twice a day. So basically all requests from my app to bitcoin core are going 1 by 1 through queue
538 2015-10-17T21:30:11 <skyzer> Thanks for that alot! I have tuned my nginx alot, timeouts to 300sec, and error is still popping out
539 2015-10-17T21:30:16 <gmaxwell> skyzer: some jsonrpc/http client libraries leak kept alive connections, unfortunately.
540 2015-10-17T21:30:46 <gmaxwell> you an also increase the rpc thread count in bitcoin core (though if your client is leaking kept alive connections even higher limits will run out eventually)
541 2015-10-17T21:31:50 <skyzer> thanks! wonderful, will be testing it tmrw!
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543 2015-10-17T21:32:23 <skyzer> never would have guessed myself
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545 2015-10-17T21:33:01 <gmaxwell> yea, thats the irritating thing about this behavior, anyone who suffers from it never knows where to look.
546 2015-10-17T21:33:09 <gmaxwell> 0.12 should fix this conclusively.
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549 2015-10-17T21:34:07 <skyzer> great! first thing iäll check my json-rpc php wrapper :D
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551 2015-10-17T21:35:23 <sturles> skyzer: It will always be possible to work around with horrible kludges. Accounts work well for me.
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592 2015-10-17T23:28:11 <trinity_help> hey, I was wondering, did anyone reputable ever vette the Vanitygen codebase?
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