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 11 2015-10-27T00:21:18  <rusty> make[3]: Entering directory '/home/rusty/devel/cvs/bitcoin/src/univalue'
 12 2015-10-27T00:21:18  <rusty> make[3]: *** No rule to make target 'libunivalue.la'.  Stop.
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 14 2015-10-27T00:21:18  <rusty> Makefile:7350: recipe for target 'univalue/libunivalue.la' failed
 15 2015-10-27T00:21:44  <sipa> git clean -dfx
 16 2015-10-27T00:22:04  <rusty> sipa: thx...
 17 2015-10-27T00:22:39  <sipa> I am more worried about the fact that you seem to have checked out the Bitcoin Core source tree via CVS!
 18 2015-10-27T00:23:37  <rusty> sipa: heh... my "cvs" directory dates from about 20 years ago, for project source which used that fancy new online revision control system, rather than straight tarballs.
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 36 2015-10-27T00:57:33  <rusty>   CXXLD    bitcoind
 37 2015-10-27T00:57:33  <rusty> libbitcoin_server.a(libbitcoin_server_a-init.o): In function `CleanupBlockRevFiles()':
 38 2015-10-27T00:57:33  <rusty> /usr/include/boost/filesystem/path.hpp:140: undefined reference to `boost::filesystem::path_traits::dispatch(boost::filesystem::directory_entry const&, std::string&)'
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 44 2015-10-27T01:02:03  <rusty> phantomcircuit: 1.58
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 51 2015-10-27T01:10:53  <phantomcircuit> rusty, deprecated?
 52 2015-10-27T01:11:13  <rusty> phantomcircuit: sorry?
 53 2015-10-27T01:11:27  <phantomcircuit> any chance that call is deprecated?
 54 2015-10-27T01:12:08  <rusty> phantomcircuit: oh, there's more, that's just the first undefined.
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 59 2015-10-27T01:16:46  <rusty> phantomcircuit: ... I am trying to figure out why this has become my problem.
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131 2015-10-27T04:00:20  <acti0nman> Security Compliance is relevant to #bitcoin with all the bitoin stealing that's happening! Putting your Bitcoin Development Environment through PCI-DSS, FISMA/FEDRAMP, HIPAA, ISO 27001/2 will help you reduce security risk and increase trust/confidence in your product. Come join ##GRC. There are QSAs, Sysadmins, and Developers in ##GRC to help you throughout the security compliance process. ##GRC will answer your questions
132 2015-10-27T04:00:20  <acti0nman>  about compliance best practices!
133 2015-10-27T04:01:01  <gmaxwell> acti0nman: Do they also help with spam?
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136 2015-10-27T04:02:52  <acti0nman> ##GRC is a budding channel, it needs help to grow. Security Compliance is relevant and important to Bitcoin customers, especially after Mt. Gox fell.
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139 2015-10-27T04:04:09  <gmaxwell> acti0nman: sounds more like trying to pull off victims to get compromised.
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145 2015-10-27T04:18:49  <jcorgan> If I Capitalize Everything I Say And Use Many Acronyms Will I Attain Security Compliance?
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208 2015-10-27T07:11:58  <wumpus> spam for security compliance... I... I don't know what to say
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210 2015-10-27T07:17:39  <Luke-Jr> lol
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212 2015-10-27T07:21:18  <gmaxwell> It causes me less dissonance to assume it's a con... "we'll /help/ you improve your security"... more comfortable than thinking that otherwise upstanding people think it's okay to spam like that.
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214 2015-10-27T07:25:56  <wumpus> yeah... either a con or "snakeoil security certifications, 3 a piece!"
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274 2015-10-27T10:07:25  <hardyred> Hey quick question, I am accessing bitcoind RPC interface on ubuntu and it crashes around 100 calls/second
275 2015-10-27T10:07:34  <hardyred> I increased my swap space but it did not seem to do much
276 2015-10-27T10:08:25  <hardyred> Anyone know any other things I should try to make it stay up for longer?
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278 2015-10-27T10:09:28  <wumpus> what kind of crash?
279 2015-10-27T10:12:04  <hardyred> Not sure, it says bitcoind is still running but bitcoin-cli give me an error: couldn't connect to server, and RPC interface returns the error: [Error: Bitcoin Core JSON-RPC: host=127.0.0.1 port=18332: Request Error: connect EADDRNOTAVAIL]
280 2015-10-27T10:12:50  <hardyred> Windows setup for bitcoind on same hardware reaches over 500 requests/second without any issues, not sure why it's crashing frequently on ubuntu
281 2015-10-27T10:13:30  <wumpus> usually that means you have run out of ephermal ports for outgoing TCP connections
282 2015-10-27T10:14:27  <wumpus> you can set a wider range in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range, but best is to use HTTP keepalive instead of opening a new connection for every command
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284 2015-10-27T10:15:58  <hardyred> Hmm ok
285 2015-10-27T10:16:03  <wumpus> also: make sure that you are closing sockets after you don't need them anymore
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287 2015-10-27T10:16:33  <hardyred> I assume Windows was doing that automatically
288 2015-10-27T10:16:45  <hardyred> considering the sheer difference between the two performances
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291 2015-10-27T10:17:58  <wumpus> well to name an example if you connect from some language with garbage collector, and rely on the GC to clean up old sockets, you'll run out of them if you accumulate too many before it runs. You need to close them manually after use.
292 2015-10-27T10:18:38  <wumpus> so in that case it's happening automatically just not fast enough for this kind of 'DoS Attack' :)
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294 2015-10-27T10:19:53  <hardyred> Well let me try your suggestion and report the results, thank you :)
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296 2015-10-27T10:21:50  <hardyred> Well first I will try changing ip_local_port_range and see if I notice any difference
297 2015-10-27T10:22:13  <hardyred> Right now my file lists 32768 61000
298 2015-10-27T10:22:29  <hardyred> Should I just increase the upperbound limit and see if it works?
299 2015-10-27T10:24:07  <hardyred> Or should I touch below 32768 since I believe < 1024 are reserved
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302 2015-10-27T10:25:22  <wumpus> 32768 61000 is already a huge range - I doubt increasin that will make any difference
303 2015-10-27T10:26:06  <wumpus> that's 30k ports! I'd look at your client program and make sure it closes sockets first...
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307 2015-10-27T10:30:21  <hardyred> Client program in reference to program making JSON-RPC calls or bitcoind? (sorry for noob questions heh)
308 2015-10-27T10:31:06  <wumpus> client = the program making calls
309 2015-10-27T10:31:34  <wumpus> a local EADDRNOTAVAIL error can't be bitcoind's fault - the ports to connect *from* are exhausted
310 2015-10-27T10:33:40  <hardyred> Well that's odd then, because it seems when that error shows up on my client
311 2015-10-27T10:33:47  <hardyred> bitcoin-cli is unable to connect to server either
312 2015-10-27T10:33:58  <wumpus> from the same host?
313 2015-10-27T10:34:04  <hardyred> while before it can connect while the program is running, but once I receive the error it stops connecting
314 2015-10-27T10:34:05  <hardyred> yes
315 2015-10-27T10:34:14  <hardyred> But bitcoind is still running in processes
316 2015-10-27T10:34:28  <wumpus> that makes sense, bitcoin-cli will suffer from the same problem, and be unable to create a port to connect from too
317 2015-10-27T10:34:29  <hardyred> Well actually, checking again
318 2015-10-27T10:34:40  <hardyred> It connects about 2 minutes later
319 2015-10-27T10:34:41  <hardyred> oh
320 2015-10-27T10:34:47  <wumpus> if another program took all the ephermal ports
321 2015-10-27T10:35:01  <hardyred> Ah I am following you now
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323 2015-10-27T10:35:21  <wumpus> try running netstat -anp  when it happens, you'll get a very long list
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325 2015-10-27T10:35:29  <wumpus> 30k entries long ...
326 2015-10-27T10:37:50  <hardyred> Oh jeez
327 2015-10-27T10:37:58  <hardyred> Not sure if 30,000 exactly but it sure looked like it :o
328 2015-10-27T10:38:24  <hardyred> Should have tried that earlier :/
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360 2015-10-27T12:03:27  <hardyred> wumpus: I had to make myself a quick breakfast
361 2015-10-27T12:04:11  <hardyred> wumpus: but you were right, after I closed the socket following each request I did not run in to any more erros
362 2015-10-27T12:04:13  <hardyred> errors*
363 2015-10-27T12:04:15  <hardyred> thank you
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366 2015-10-27T12:07:16  <wumpus> great!
367 2015-10-27T12:10:21  <hardyred> wumpus: your recommendation though is just to keep one keep-alive socket connection for all the requests right?
368 2015-10-27T12:10:53  <wumpus> well, using keep-alive would probably be more efficient. If you've solved the problem and that's enough, you can stop here
369 2015-10-27T12:11:19  <hardyred> wumpus: I like efficiency :p, I will keep it in mind
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439 2015-10-27T14:36:34  <yammq> are there any plans to port Bitcoin Core to C++11 ? Anyone working on this?
440 2015-10-27T14:38:02  <bsm1175321> Have you tried just running it? g++ -std=c++11
441 2015-10-27T14:38:49  <Diablo-D3> bsm1175321: I think he means as in removing the boost dep
442 2015-10-27T14:38:50  <bsm1175321> I'm fairly certain the code will compile. What specifically are you proposing?
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444 2015-10-27T14:40:00  <sipa> yammq: as soon as we drop support for build systems that have too low c++11 support, we will start using c++11 features
445 2015-10-27T14:40:32  <sipa> yammq: specifically, it means we need to support everything below gcc 4.8, whivh is still common in some older linix distros we support
446 2015-10-27T14:41:16  <sipa> but we will be able to get rid of boost:;unordered_map, boost::thread, boost::mutex, boost::shared_ptr etc
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448 2015-10-27T14:41:24  <sipa> bu using their c++11 equivalents
449 2015-10-27T14:42:07  <yammq> ok cool, guess Ubuntu 12.04 is a main blocker here
450 2015-10-27T14:42:24  <yammq> bsm117532: Yes, I just tried, some errors
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454 2015-10-27T14:45:11  <yammq> sipa: is there a list of the supported Linux Distributions / Operating Systems somewhere?
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458 2015-10-27T14:49:33  <sipa> yammq: the release binaries are still built in a 12.04 ubuntu VM
459 2015-10-27T14:49:39  <sipa> i think
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463 2015-10-27T14:55:01  <wumpus> 14.04 nowadays
464 2015-10-27T14:55:32  <wumpus> if we need a newer gcc in gitian that's pretty much trivial, that's not what is holding it back
465 2015-10-27T14:56:15  <bsm1175321> Do it.  Let's lambda and auto the shit out of this mess.
466 2015-10-27T14:56:27  <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6211
467 2015-10-27T14:57:11  <wumpus> main problem is that some people want to compile bitcoind on older distributions that have older gccs, using (non-trivial) c++11 burns some bridges
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469 2015-10-27T14:58:20  <bsm1175321> Gavin says 0.13.  Seems like a good target.  Which means as soon as 0.12 is released, we could start using c++11 features on dev branches.
470 2015-10-27T14:58:24  <wumpus> so to be clear: it's not about our build system, it's about uncertainty about what minimum versions to support
471 2015-10-27T14:58:49  <wumpus> I'm ok with that
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474 2015-10-27T15:00:55  <wumpus> sipa: oh you were right, we're indeed still using precise/12.04 in gitian, brainfart, thought we had upgraded
475 2015-10-27T15:01:11  <wumpus> anyhow that can be changed easily
476 2015-10-27T15:01:15  <bsm1175321> Thanks for bringing it up yammq, I'm going to start compiling with c++11 locally, see if any errors pop up.
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478 2015-10-27T15:03:08  <wumpus> I think I was working on that once then I was interrupted with some issue and then another and then another and mental stack overflow happened
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483 2015-10-27T15:09:22  <yammq> Thanks. Seems like there is a consensus regarding C++11 in the Github issue :)
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486 2015-10-27T15:12:26  <bsm1175321> If you're really feeling ambitious, clang has a source-to-source c++11 conversion tool: http://clang.llvm.org/extra/clang-modernize.html
487 2015-10-27T15:12:31  <wumpus> dropping boost becomes realistic when full C++11 can be used we don't use boost asio anymore, we don't use spirit anymore, what remains is some data structures (like unordered_map) that exist in C++11, as well as threading/synchronization (of which most can be handled by C++11).  The only lib that has no clear c++11 relpacement is boost::filesystem
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494 2015-10-27T15:14:12  <wumpus> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B17 c++17 on the other hand... :-)
495 2015-10-27T15:16:24  <bsm1175321> Because having language features change out from under you is fun! ;-)
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497 2015-10-27T15:18:37  <wumpus> well if it slowly helps change c++ into a safer, less frustrating language I'm all for it
498 2015-10-27T15:19:10  <bsm1175321> Is reimplementing bitcoin in python still an option?  ;-)
499 2015-10-27T15:19:18  <wumpus> it helps it stays relevant in a changing world
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502 2015-10-27T15:22:04  <wumpus> haha, of course it is. I do most (ad hoc) testing using pynode and python-bitcoinlib. Using those and libconsensus it should be possible to make a consensus-conforming node implementation.
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507 2015-10-27T15:30:36  <bsm1175321> Just compiled with c++11.  A few warnings are a few "std::auto_ptr is deprecated", "unrecognized command line option -Wno-self-assign", biggest problem is that rpcserver.cpp doesn't compile due to some problems with std::map.  Doesn't look too hard to fix.  (All other sources including qt and tests compile)
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509 2015-10-27T15:31:47  <bsm1175321> I'll make a PR for that...
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512 2015-10-27T15:35:16  <wumpus> problems with std::map?
513 2015-10-27T15:36:37  <bsm1175321> compile error: https://gist.github.com/mcelrath/cb02daaadbd0b01d9677
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519 2015-10-27T15:38:58  <wumpus> looks like that needs an explicit boost::shared_ptr<>() to wrap the pointer now
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521 2015-10-27T15:40:05  <bsm1175321> Will try
522 2015-10-27T15:40:21  <morcos> One other thing we need now before we can get rid of boost is a multi-index implementation
523 2015-10-27T15:40:36  <wumpus> morcos:  good point
524 2015-10-27T15:40:42  <morcos> this seems like this conversation is in the wrong channel though
525 2015-10-27T15:40:50  <wumpus> it is
526 2015-10-27T15:42:35  <zooko``> What channel is it appropriate for?
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529 2015-10-27T15:43:33  <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev
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531 2015-10-27T15:44:04  <zooko> Thanks, wumpus
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535 2015-10-27T16:00:21  <frank1e> hey all
536 2015-10-27T16:00:28  <frank1e> still living =) didn't forget you guys
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596 2015-10-27T17:41:51  <kroko> Hi, it seems like the GetHashesPerSec RPC is removed, is there any alternative method to get information about the mining performance?
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599 2015-10-27T17:42:32  <sipa> kroko: for all practical purposes, you may assume the hashing performance is 0 :)
600 2015-10-27T17:42:45  <kroko> sipa: :D
601 2015-10-27T17:43:10  <kroko> sipa: I like lottery :)
602 2015-10-27T17:43:55  <kroko> sipa: I was interested just to see how bad it actually performs ... I like exact numbers.
603 2015-10-27T17:44:47  <kroko> sipa: I wounder why they kept the setgenerate true then in the first place, if there is no way to check the performance
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606 2015-10-27T17:49:06  <sipa> ;;genrate 20
607 2015-10-27T17:49:08  <gribble> The expected generation output, at 20.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 60883825480.1, is 1.65202009718e-07 BTC per day and 6.88341707157e-09 BTC per hour.
608 2015-10-27T17:49:31  <sipa> kroko: about that much with a high end pc
609 2015-10-27T17:49:46  <sipa> ;;help
610 2015-10-27T17:49:47  <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
611 2015-10-27T17:50:27  <sipa> ;;calc 0.0000001652 * 365 * 300
612 2015-10-27T17:50:27  <gribble> 0.0180894
613 2015-10-27T17:50:38  <sipa> about that many dollars per year
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615 2015-10-27T17:51:50  <kroko> sipa: Ok, thanks :) I'll settle with this information then :)
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620 2015-10-27T17:52:56  <sipa> kroko: maybe more interesting:
621 2015-10-27T17:53:15  <sipa> ;;genprob 20 1y
622 2015-10-27T17:53:15  <gribble> Error: '1y' is not a valid positive integer.
623 2015-10-27T17:53:21  <sipa> ;;gentime 20
624 2015-10-27T17:53:22  <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 20.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 60883825480.1, is 414602 years, 21 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 29 minutes, and 43 seconds
625 2015-10-27T17:54:06  <sipa> ;;genprob 20 30500000
626 2015-10-27T17:54:07  <gribble> The probability to generate a block at 20.0 Mhps within 50 weeks, 3 days, 0 hours, 13 minutes, and 20 seconds, given difficulty of 60883825480.1, is 2.33274643724e-06
627 2015-10-27T17:54:20  <sipa> lotteries have much better odds usually
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629 2015-10-27T17:57:39  <forge_> sitting with a cup on the street will bring better income with these chances
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633 2015-10-27T18:00:05  <kroko> sipa: thanks again. I agree that hoping to win a block is pretty futile on regular high end PC. As I already own a cup, so I'll use it as my hardware :D But I can't understand why they removed this option, when hash generation can still be enabled via the client. If I understand it correctly, people using the specialized hardware also use specialised mining software, not bitcoin core.
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637 2015-10-27T18:03:34  <sipa> kroko: the option is still there for testnet and regtest, so it can used in tests that need to generate an own chain
638 2015-10-27T18:05:02  <kroko> sipa: ahh ok, that makes sense
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843 2015-10-27T23:13:33  <Luke-Jr> why was this one rejected? https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev-moderation/attachments/20151027/3bd0a0af/attachment.mht
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852 2015-10-27T23:30:46  <Luke-Jr> rusty: ^
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