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76 2015-10-28T01:54:41 <rusty> Luke-Jr: hmm... probably a knee-jerk reaction to "another post on moderation". I'm pretty sure if gavinandresen reposted the "Should it be a requirement that..." onwards on a new thread, it wouldn't have got a second look.
77 2015-10-28T01:55:40 <rusty> Luke-Jr: and here's my reply to that same post gavinandresen replied to: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-discuss/2015-October/000000.html
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209 2015-10-28T06:41:13 <drazisil> Is there any good documentation (official or otherwise) that explains how to create a pool? Mainly understanding how to generate shares,
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222 2015-10-28T07:07:36 <Luke-Jr> drazisil: shares are just a lower difficulty than a block
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224 2015-10-28T07:09:53 <drazisil> Luke-Jr: Thanks. I found https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-guide#pool-mining which I think is what I was looking for :)
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323 2015-10-28T10:27:08 <frank1e> let's see if I get a little further with this Bitcoin Core UI/UX redesign today :)
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326 2015-10-28T10:42:08 <rusty> Anyone else on Ubuntu 15.10? I get a classic boost link error, as per: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6772
327 2015-10-28T10:43:03 <rusty> Hmm, wait, it's trying to run g++4.9 for some reason...
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329 2015-10-28T10:45:09 <rusty> Oops, I had ccontrol set g++ to g++-4.9 in the src/ dir.... Mu bad.
330 2015-10-28T10:45:29 <wumpus> what's wrong with gcc 4.9?
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332 2015-10-28T10:46:21 <rusty> wumpus: there's some libstdc++/boost weirdness with specific compiler versions. You want gcc5 (the default) on Ubuntu 15.10.
333 2015-10-28T10:46:29 <wumpus> OHH ABI conflict
334 2015-10-28T10:46:53 <rusty> wumpus: yeah, C++ random bullshit, basically.
335 2015-10-28T10:46:55 <wumpus> yes, never combine g++4.9 code with g++ 5.1 code
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337 2015-10-28T10:48:48 <rusty> wumpus: yeah, assume the boost libs build with g++5.1, so basically don't expect g++4.9 to work. But, y'know, you can install it just fine...
338 2015-10-28T10:50:09 <rusty> wumpus: and linker errors which actually say useful stuff like "X was built with gcc A, Y was built with gcc B, and ABI has changed" are so pedestrian. Because I'm sure they'll never change the C++ ABI again.
339 2015-10-28T10:51:03 <wumpus> that would make a lot of sense
340 2015-10-28T10:51:59 <wumpus> but hey, you know, you're lucky that the linker generates errors at all. If it wouldn't the ABI conflicts would likely unearth some evil while running your program
341 2015-10-28T10:52:29 <rusty> wumpus: that's actually a good point. I could be cursing inside gdb right now...
342 2015-10-28T10:52:34 <wumpus> I've had lots of issues with that on openbsd which, for license reasons, ships a very strange g++ and library by default, and allows installing newer versions from ports but they're all an ABI conflict party
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349 2015-10-28T11:14:29 <rodmar> hi
350 2015-10-28T11:16:10 <rodmar> I pushed a transaction to the network using my node running bitcoin core version v0.11.1.0 but the transaction does not appear in certain blockchain explorers.
351 2015-10-28T11:16:29 <rodmar> this is the txid of my transaction 6810ee3700d01447f1ad243c7942e0d829cd9062c0a94cbc50da02e5da421b0e
352 2015-10-28T11:17:04 <rodmar> can someone help me figure out if I am doing something wrong when constructing the transaction
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365 2015-10-28T11:49:38 <frank1e> someone of you on OS X right now?
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367 2015-10-28T11:50:35 <frank1e> My OS fonts seem to be messed up, need to fix that soon. Until then I need someone to provide me 1 screenshot of the latest Bitcoin Core UI on OS X (latest version) so I can continue working on that. :)
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395 2015-10-28T12:52:49 <frank1e> alright got it.
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418 2015-10-28T13:29:31 <azariah> Question about this commit: https://github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1/commit/f79aa88373bba12544ba1f19f10765787759706e - does this have any security implications?
419 2015-10-28T13:30:11 <azariah> I looked at https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6979#section-3.2 and https://github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1/blob/master/src/secp256k1.c#L308 and to me it seems it shouldn't actually matter what the order is, since it's concatenated and then hashed in the HMAC
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497 2015-10-28T15:16:42 <sipa> azariah: sure, both will work, but one is wrong and one is right :)
498 2015-10-28T15:16:53 <sipa> azariah: it's a convention
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502 2015-10-28T15:17:48 <sipa> azariah: and there are other places in the code where it is done right, so tests that do conparisons failed as a result
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513 2015-10-28T15:33:05 <azariah> sipa: cool, thanks
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518 2015-10-28T15:38:19 <treehug88> Anyone ever succeed in getting an IDE to handle bitcoin code well? I know it'd have to use the external makefile, but it would be cool to use an IDE to develop and debug. I've seen some docs on the subject but nothing that seemed to work well. I think CLion might be the best candidate
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543 2015-10-28T16:09:30 <treehug88> rephrasing: does anyone use a dev env that's not Vim or emacs?
544 2015-10-28T16:10:05 <jcorgan> such a thing exists?
545 2015-10-28T16:13:16 <zooko> I think people experimented with non-vim-non-emacs dev envs in the 2000's.
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547 2015-10-28T16:14:21 <bsm1175321> Eclipse is pretty popular.
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549 2015-10-28T16:14:37 <treehug88> bsm1175321 for bitcoin development?
550 2015-10-28T16:15:08 <bsm1175321> I'm a vim man. Can't speak for anyone else. Eclipse is the most popular *other* IDE I know of...
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552 2015-10-28T16:17:19 <treehug88> bsm1175321 : me too, but I can see some benefits of using an IDE to debug/browse the code
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554 2015-10-28T16:18:09 <bsm1175321> There are a tremendous number of fantastic vim plugins. For instance YouCompleteMe
555 2015-10-28T16:19:29 <treehug88> if anyone has suggestions actually answering my questions above, I'm all ears!
556 2015-10-28T16:21:00 <bsm1175321> heheee
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561 2015-10-28T16:31:08 <sipa> i use a text editor for coding, though i have used eclipse cdt in the past
562 2015-10-28T16:33:39 <treehug88> spia: thanks, that's useful. I see some references to setting that up on the web. If you have any tips about that please let me know. We'd really love to set it up in CLion here but I'll give eclipse a shot
563 2015-10-28T16:33:47 <treehug88> err, sipa
564 2015-10-28T16:34:10 <jcorgan> i used to use Eclipse and CDT a lot in the past (like 10 years ago)
565 2015-10-28T16:34:47 <jcorgan> the main issue i had was really the project management--it really wants to own the project and make stuff from the beginning
566 2015-10-28T16:35:10 <jcorgan> it works with external makefiles, but you loose a lot of the benefit
567 2015-10-28T16:35:26 <jcorgan> of course, it could have undergone major changes in the last 10 years, so who knows
568 2015-10-28T16:36:40 <treehug88> also good info, thanks jcorgan
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607 2015-10-28T17:34:59 <instagibbs> from my research it doesn't appear C++ IDEs work very well
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645 2015-10-28T18:31:48 <rusty> jtimon: https://github.com/rustyrussell/bitcoin/tree/bip-9-versionbits Completely untested, but that's where I'm going...
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651 2015-10-28T18:42:12 <rusty> jtimon: reworking it into C code for libconsensus will be possible, but a bit awkward, eg. BIPActive(&BIP133) instead of "BIP133.Active()".
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653 2015-10-28T18:45:28 <jtimon> the important thing is keeping statefull structures out of the consensus dir
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655 2015-10-28T18:47:06 <jtimon> I'm working on a skeleton with some code from CodeShark and my modifications, then you tell me if that's enough for you
656 2015-10-28T18:47:49 <sipa> rusty: how do you deal with reorgs?
657 2015-10-28T18:48:36 <rusty> sipa: the current code is completely cacheless, and recursive, building the current view of what BIP_status is based on the previous.
658 2015-10-28T18:48:54 <sipa> rusty: i don't understand
659 2015-10-28T18:48:55 <rusty> sipa: it's trivial to add a cache, but that's logically a separate patch (after tests)
660 2015-10-28T18:49:09 <sipa> you recompute the entire state for every block?
661 2015-10-28T18:49:19 <rusty> sipa: yes!
662 2015-10-28T18:49:45 <sipa> ok
663 2015-10-28T18:50:02 <rusty> sipa: dumb, but good for testing. Then add a simple map of hash to bipstate.
664 2015-10-28T18:51:22 <sipa> rusty: which you only maintain for (x % 2016) == 0 blocks?
665 2015-10-28T18:51:28 <rusty> sipa: exactly.
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697 2015-10-28T19:54:39 <jtimon> rusty I have to go now, but this is what I have: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bitcoin:master...jtimon:softforks
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699 2015-10-28T19:55:34 <rusty> jtimon: yeah, it'll need a complete rework. I'll think about it more once I've got some tests for BIP9 written.
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706 2015-10-28T19:59:24 <jtimon> rusty what's most important for me it's defining Consensus::VersionBits::State as a static struct, and defining the changes to consensus/params
707 2015-10-28T20:00:06 <rusty> jtimon: yeah, I can spin on that. Eventually you'll want the whole versionbits bip table, I think. Making that plain C is not too hard.
708 2015-10-28T20:00:10 <jtimon> then move everything non libconsensus-almost-ready (tm) out of the consensus folder
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710 2015-10-28T20:01:03 <jtimon> I have separated the table in 2: static per-chain config and changing state
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836 2015-10-28T23:36:13 <denisx> sipa: is there something planned for #6077? is invalidating the cache in case of a reorg not enough to fix this problem?
837 2015-10-28T23:42:18 <sipa> denisx: that's a bit ugly... either we need the cache and it should always work, or we don't need it :)
838 2015-10-28T23:42:38 <sipa> denisx: making reorgs (even more) slower than normal operation isn't very good
839 2015-10-28T23:42:44 <denisx> sipa: how often does a reorg happen?
840 2015-10-28T23:43:00 <gmaxwell> denisx: also reorg is by far not the only area of risk in caching transaction validity.
841 2015-10-28T23:43:12 <sipa> new softforks is another
842 2015-10-28T23:43:22 <sipa> or changed consensus logic in general
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844 2015-10-28T23:43:42 <sipa> or with bip68... height and timestamp
845 2015-10-28T23:43:49 <gmaxwell> it seems likely much of the reason for this being useful at all is that the sigcache is too small and inefficient (get a low hitrate for no good reason).
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847 2015-10-28T23:44:58 <denisx> I thought a very nice approach to spread the work out in time before the block is validated
848 2015-10-28T23:45:18 <gmaxwell> denisx: virtually all of the work is already spread out by virtue of the sigcache.
849 2015-10-28T23:45:33 <gmaxwell> denisx: the most expensive part of validation is already cached, but at a lower level.
850 2015-10-28T23:45:52 <denisx> gmaxwell: is that a new feature?
851 2015-10-28T23:46:36 <gmaxwell> denisx: No, since 0.6 or 0.7 ish? Wthout it most blocks now would take several seconds to validate.
852 2015-10-28T23:46:43 <sipa> 0.7
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