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102 2015-11-03T04:05:15 <drazisil> from a p2p standpoint, other then the port, are there any connection differences between reg and regtest? I'm trying to add regtest support to p2pool, but it won't connect
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260 2015-11-03T10:14:49 <wumpus> drazisil: messagestart characters are 0xfa 0xbf 0xb5 0xda
261 2015-11-03T10:15:46 <drazisil> wumpus: thanks :) phantomcircuit steered me straight
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263 2015-11-03T10:16:42 <drazisil> I do find it confusing though that it uses the same rpc port address version as testnet
264 2015-11-03T10:20:41 <wumpus> rpc port address version?
265 2015-11-03T10:21:12 <drazisil> rpc port (and) address version.
266 2015-11-03T10:21:28 <drazisil> sorry, it's late/early
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269 2015-11-03T10:23:25 <wumpus> right - it's really meant for the tests, which set their own (randomized) ports anyway. Using the same address prefixes as testnet was just practical to avoid having to 'officially' allocate new ones even though the addresses have no global validity
270 2015-11-03T10:24:47 <drazisil> I figured it was more a (odn't mistake anything that happens here as regnet) reason more then anything else :)
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276 2015-11-03T10:31:40 <jeroen> What is typically going wrong with error : 'mandatory-script-verify-flag-failed (Script evaluated without error but finished with a false/empty top stack element)" when building a raw tx?
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289 2015-11-03T11:14:15 <wumpus> the script doesn't pop everything off the stack
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292 2015-11-03T11:17:02 <jtimon> sipa: wumpus: What's the current plan for using libsecp256k1 for validation in Bitcoin Core, 0.13 ?
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294 2015-11-03T11:19:23 <wumpus> I hope 0.12, just is just waiting on sign-off from sinetek
295 2015-11-03T11:19:26 <wumpus> eh sipa
296 2015-11-03T11:19:44 <sinetek> I'll defer to sipa
297 2015-11-03T11:19:50 <wumpus> :-)
298 2015-11-03T11:20:06 <jtimon> I see, so ideally 0.12, otherwise 0.13, good
299 2015-11-03T11:20:59 <jtimon> I'm asking because this slightly affects libconsensus planning
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389 2015-11-03T13:46:59 <jtimon> wumpus: does #6068 have any chance of getting in 0.12 or should I close it?
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391 2015-11-03T13:55:50 <wumpus> jtimon: well it looks like at least sipa doesn't fully agrees with it + it will conflict with current mempool changes in progress, so I don't think it will make 0.12
392 2015-11-03T13:56:16 <jtimon> wumpus: thanks, closing instead of rebasing then
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401 2015-11-03T14:07:06 <jtimon> wumpus: for the record, AFAICT sipa's only concern are precisely those potential conflicts, which would be trivial to resolve. So this is very disapointing, but it's still better to stop wasting my time rebasing something that's not going to be merged anytime soon (although I hope we don't have to wait another whole year to have a CPolicy class)
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404 2015-11-03T14:12:18 <jtimon> btw, can you guys (the reviewers of #6672) re-ACK half of what you utACKed in montreal? #6625 was and is more than half of #6672. It's not really necessary for libconsensus but I wanted to take that out of the way before code movements cfields
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415 2015-11-03T14:23:47 <wumpus> agreed
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438 2015-11-03T14:51:43 <job_> anyone have opinions on this PR? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6804
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451 2015-11-03T15:07:48 <djamo> hello! Please join this awesome mining site with a free 7-day trial under my ref link! http://mi‌necoin.eu/?ref=3772
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781 2015-11-03T22:53:34 <rusty> jtimon: I've been thinking more about your critique. I think if I create a VersionBitsBIPActivation class/struct, I can have a simple array of them per chain. That also gives a convenient index number for an array.
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783 2015-11-03T22:57:20 <jtimon> yes, the array per chain can be stored in consensus::params if it's just a C API compatible struct
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786 2015-11-03T22:59:04 <jtimon> and you can reuse the index number for a currentStatePerBIP struct that contains the current state per bip (for a given CBlockIndex*)
787 2015-11-03T23:01:24 <jtimon> you can then maintain an std::map<CBlockIndex*, currentStatePerBIP> to handle reorgs (but ourside of the consensus dir please)
788 2015-11-03T23:03:11 <jtimon> any comments on bool Consensus::CheckVersion(const CBlockHeader& block, CValidationState& state, const Consensus::Params& consensusParams, const CBlockIndex& blockIndex, const VersionBits::State& versionBitsState) and bool Consensus::UseRule(int rule, const CBlockIndex& blockIndex, const Consensus::Params& consensusParams, const VersionBits::State& versionBitsState) ?
789 2015-11-03T23:04:06 <rusty> What does CheckVersion do? There's no way to "fail" a versionbits block header...
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791 2015-11-03T23:05:07 <jtimon> or probably more important, the unimplemented bool CalculateState(State& newState, CValidationState& state, const Consensus::Params& consensusParams, const State& prevState, const CBlockIndex& blockIndex);
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793 2015-11-03T23:05:51 <rusty> jtimon: we should hide that from the caller, and cache behind the scenes. Or do you think the libconsensus shouldn't cache, and that's a caller problem?
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795 2015-11-03T23:08:21 <rusty> jtimon: so my API is only BIPXXX.IsActive(...) and VersionForNextBlock(...). I like that simplicity.
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799 2015-11-03T23:11:32 <rusty> (though C API would logically be BIPIsActive(&BIPXXX, ...), that's a trivial change)
800 2015-11-03T23:11:40 <jtimon> mhmm, yeah if the block uses versionbits and you don't recognise some bits, the block it's still valid, but I thought you may still want to use the CValidationState there to put there a warning or something. I'll leave CheckVersion out of my branch
801 2015-11-03T23:12:37 <jtimon> no complains on VersionForNextBlock() that's miner.cpp, no?
802 2015-11-03T23:14:08 <jtimon> your BIPIsActive() is basically my UseRule() or, more concretely for versionbits, my versionBitsState.vRuleStates[rule] == Consensus::VersionBits::ACTIVE
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805 2015-11-03T23:15:08 <jtimon> instead of passing a reference to a BIP object, I just pass a value for the enum that determines the positions in the two arrays
806 2015-11-03T23:15:35 <jtimon> versionBitsState.vRuleStates is calculated in bool CalculateState(State& newState, CValidationState& state, const Consensus::Params& consensusParams, const State& prevState, const CBlockIndex& blockIndex);
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809 2015-11-03T23:16:52 <jtimon> which is where most of the non-reorg action should be
810 2015-11-03T23:18:16 <rusty> jtimon: yeah, I much prefer a BIP-as-object model. And the map to a linear number is concealed from callers.
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813 2015-11-03T23:21:05 <jtimon> here you foreach rule in enum { newState[rule] = NextState(consensusParams.vDeployments[rule], prevState[rule], blockIndex) }
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816 2015-11-03T23:21:53 <rusty> jtimon: hmm, good question on what to do about warnings. What would consensus API look like.... You really want to know: (1) is it an unknown lockin (and when?) ie. you have about two weeks in which to upgrade, or (2) unknown bit active, so you're now SPV-secure only.
817 2015-11-03T23:23:00 <jtimon> how is BIP99.GetExpiry() so much better than consensusParams.vDeployments[BIP99].nExpiry ? and where's is BIP99? is it a global or a parameter in the caller ?
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819 2015-11-03T23:23:26 <jtimon> well, sorry, it's a constant class
820 2015-11-03T23:23:37 <rusty> jtimon: it's a global, and you would never expose GetExpiry(). All you can do is ask "IsActive()".
821 2015-11-03T23:23:40 <jtimon> err, const object
822 2015-11-03T23:24:06 <jtimon> why do you want to encapsulate attributes?
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824 2015-11-03T23:24:46 <rusty> jtimon: because encapsulation is easy to understand, and very clear, and is the same whatever the activation method (eg. ISM, block number, etc)
825 2015-11-03T23:25:07 <rusty> jtimon: if (BIP99.IsActive(...)) is as simple an API as I can imagine.
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827 2015-11-03T23:26:59 <jtimon> is no simpler than IsActive(BIP99, ...)
828 2015-11-03T23:27:31 <jtimon> can we agree on that first?
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830 2015-11-03T23:30:27 <jtimon> and then I will insist on IsActive(BIP99, consensusParams, ...) { Softfork BIP = consensusParams.vDeployments[rule]; ...
831 2015-11-03T23:31:02 <rusty> jtimon: No, because having a global function called IsActive is dumb. It would need to be BIPIsActive() for namespace reasons, thus worse.
832 2015-11-03T23:31:22 <jtimon> is a consensus function
833 2015-11-03T23:31:38 <jtimon> just as dumb as VerifyScript
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835 2015-11-03T23:32:36 <jtimon> it could be CScript::Verify(), but it's not
836 2015-11-03T23:32:42 <jtimon> or CheckTransaction
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839 2015-11-03T23:33:09 <jtimon> could be CTransaction::Check()
840 2015-11-03T23:33:11 <rusty> jtimon: Sure. Just because some bitcoin code is poor, that's not relevant to my code.
841 2015-11-03T23:33:44 <rusty> jtimon: C++ programmers see BIP99.IsActive() and have no question about what's going on.
842 2015-11-03T23:34:01 <rusty> jtimon: it's just the most straightforward API.
843 2015-11-03T23:34:07 <jtimon> that's not poor, we've consciously decided to separate the validation functions from the basic classes that are used everywhere
844 2015-11-03T23:34:19 <sipa> rusty: it's more clear what it is intended to do... it is less clear what it is actually doing
845 2015-11-03T23:34:36 <sipa> i don't have much opinion apart from that
846 2015-11-03T23:34:44 <jtimon> even if that required to make attributes public
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848 2015-11-03T23:36:21 <rusty> sipa: maybe, but in the end the caller just wants to know if the BIP applies. Since BIPXXX would be a constant global, it will be trivial to see what that calls if you want to know.
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850 2015-11-03T23:36:43 <rusty> sipa: nobody's suggesting some dynamic dispatch callback hell.
851 2015-11-03T23:37:02 <sipa> jtimon: it's different from the CScript case though; CScript is a consensus data structure, and i don't like having the code logic in the same object as the serializable data
852 2015-11-03T23:37:17 <sipa> but BIP is just an object that wraps logic... not data (afaik)
853 2015-11-03T23:37:38 <sipa> it's like CScriptVerifier
854 2015-11-03T23:37:45 <sipa> or whatever it is called
855 2015-11-03T23:38:06 <jtimon> s/status.active.find(this) != status.active.end()/versionBitsState.vRuleStates[rule] == Consensus::VersionBits::ACTIVE/
856 2015-11-03T23:38:25 <rusty> sipa: indeed, I'm proposing VersionbitBIPActivation struct for the per-chain data about how it's activated.
857 2015-11-03T23:39:38 <jtimon> rusty, when I say struct, I don't mean s/class/struct/ I mean I struct that would compile if it was declared in script/bitcoinconsensus.h
858 2015-11-03T23:39:43 <sipa> rusty: all good to me; the BIP99.IsBla() is a bit different from the style we've used mostly, but as long as consensus logic and data it is applied on are separated :)
859 2015-11-03T23:40:04 <jtimon> otherwise please use CChainParams rather than Consensus::Params
860 2015-11-03T23:40:24 <rusty> jtimon: yes, that's what I mean too. Literally a POD struct.
861 2015-11-03T23:41:34 <rusty> sipa: I do find bitcoin code to be a bit hard to read. Some of that would be helped by C++11, but some is just very C-like C++.
862 2015-11-03T23:41:56 <jtimon> rusty: great, then that struct doesn't have an IsActive method, at most a class extending from it has it
863 2015-11-03T23:42:28 <rusty> jtimon: exactly. I didn't say I wouldn't do it, just that it's slightly uglier.
864 2015-11-03T23:43:07 <jtimon> rusty: my personal preference would be C for consensus and C++11 for everything else, but that's not a requirement for a C API
865 2015-11-03T23:43:54 <jtimon> well, maybe when we call a C API from C++11 it's not uglier inside libconsensus...
866 2015-11-03T23:43:57 <rusty> jtimon: now... should caching be outside consensus? If so, it means the API has to expose the state so you can cache it yourself.
867 2015-11-03T23:44:48 <sipa> whatever consensus API is exposed, it should be sufficient to implement bitcoin core
868 2015-11-03T23:45:00 <sipa> and cache is absolutely critical to performance, so yes
869 2015-11-03T23:45:02 <jtimon> there's currently no caching in libconsensus, but I was planning to use sigcache for VerifyBlock()
870 2015-11-03T23:45:13 <rusty> sipa: OK, that does keep the API simpler.
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874 2015-11-03T23:45:48 <jtimon> that's not a state from the point of view of the API, but maybe cfields has a more strict definition of what as "stateless library" is
875 2015-11-03T23:46:40 <rusty> OK, I'll change things as a commit on top for now, which will be ugly but saves rebasing.
876 2015-11-03T23:46:45 <jtimon> but yeah I would bet he would agree caching is not a problem
877 2015-11-03T23:47:24 <jtimon> rusty: what exactly are you caching?
878 2015-11-03T23:48:18 <rusty> jtimon: currently, the BIPStatus for the first block in each period.
879 2015-11-03T23:48:42 <rusty> jtimon: currently implemented as a map, but that's a detail.
880 2015-11-03T23:49:26 <rusty> jtimon: you would probably want it to be a pointer inside whatever per-block structure you end up with in libconsensus.
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882 2015-11-03T23:51:44 <jtimon> oh, that's what I meant by std::map<CBlockIndex*, currentStatePerBIP> but I was assuming it would be outside consensus and be stored in disk
883 2015-11-03T23:52:49 <rusty> jtimon: stored on disk is overkill, for 1M blocks you calculate 500 states. It's pretty fast.
884 2015-11-03T23:52:56 <jtimon> I guess if it's memory only and encapsulated in the consensus code (not used as a parameter in the "C++ libconsensus API") is fine, even if you use std::map
885 2015-11-03T23:54:12 <jtimon> the consensus code is already internally coupled with CBlockIndex so no new stateful dependency
886 2015-11-03T23:54:53 <jtimon> mhmm, how are you going to handle reorgs if you don't have it in disk?
887 2015-11-03T23:55:22 <rusty> jtimon: calculate from genesis every time?
888 2015-11-03T23:55:36 <sipa> yeah, it's trivial
889 2015-11-03T23:55:48 <sipa> it's much less work that loading the block index itself from disk!
890 2015-11-03T23:56:09 <rusty> sipa: almost, but not quite, too trivial to cache even.
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892 2015-11-03T23:56:27 <jtimon> but don't you have to load all the blockindexes from disk to calculate it from genesis?
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895 2015-11-03T23:56:54 <rusty> jtimon: shouldn't you be loading the block headers anwyay?
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900 2015-11-03T23:58:28 <sipa> i'm saying _recomputing_ the bip9 state is much less work than even just loading the block index disk (which we have to do)
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902 2015-11-03T23:58:31 <jtimon> ok, so if this map it's just a cache and nothing is on disk, I guess it belongs in the consensus folder
903 2015-11-03T23:59:36 <jtimon> and I was trying to imagine a future lighter consumer of libconsensus, but yeah, have the headers in memory dude