1 2015-11-04T00:00:28  <jtimon> otherwise you can't handle reorgs
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   6 2015-11-04T00:03:58  <jtimon> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6816/files#r42987352
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   9 2015-11-04T00:08:01  <jtimon> rusty:  I see, so then you don't need to pass a versionBitsState struct to UseRule/IsValid, from the point of view of the C++ libconsensus API, it's always like if you were calculating it from genesis and Consenus::Params and CBlockIndex* should be enough
  10 2015-11-04T00:08:34  <rusty> jtimon: yeah, internal caching does give a neater API
  11 2015-11-04T00:08:58  <jtimon> agreed
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  13 2015-11-04T00:11:04  <jtimon> so we have our API, no? bool Consensus::UseRule(int rule, const Consensus::Params& consensusParams, const CBlockIndex& blockIndex)
  14 2015-11-04T00:11:20  <rusty> jtimon: no.  int rule is a terrible idea :)
  15 2015-11-04T00:11:55  <jtimon> how do you access the appropriate element in the array contained in consensusParams otherwise?
  16 2015-11-04T00:12:10  <rusty> jtimon: bool Consensus::IsActive(const BIP &BIP, ...)
  17 2015-11-04T00:12:17  <jtimon> you need that to access the bit of the bip and the expiry
  18 2015-11-04T00:12:55  <jtimon> but const BIP &BIP is just consensusParams.vDeployments[rule]
  19 2015-11-04T00:13:09  <jtimon> you already have it in consensusParams
  20 2015-11-04T00:14:08  <jtimon> imagine you have to expose UseRule as a C API, then passing the BIP class is the terrible idea
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  22 2015-11-04T00:14:58  <jtimon> forget about CBlockIndex in that API because that's not going to be solved in the short term
  23 2015-11-04T00:17:05  <rusty> jtimon: -ETIMEDOUT.  I've wasted too much time.  You go with whatever API you want, and push it into bitcoin-core.  I've spent too long not working on lightning :(
  24 2015-11-04T00:17:18  <jtimon> in the CPP (in the implementation of UseRule) you can have a BIP class that extends from the struct Softfork and has a copy constructor from a Softfork and has all the methods you want BIP(consensusParams.vDeployments[rule])
  25 2015-11-04T00:17:38  <sipa> jtimon: no reason why any of this would be exposed as an API at all
  26 2015-11-04T00:17:49  <sipa> it's internal logic for implenenting block validity
  27 2015-11-04T00:17:51  <sipa> no?
  28 2015-11-04T00:18:22  <jtimon> well, yes, it would be VerifyBlock
  29 2015-11-04T00:19:21  <sipa> right
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  32 2015-11-04T00:19:59  <sipa> well you'd have a validation flag per bit, i guess
  33 2015-11-04T00:20:04  <sipa> which you can pass in
  34 2015-11-04T00:20:08  <jtimon> yes, I guess then respecting Consensus::Params is enough and the BIP class and BIP99.IsValid is fine
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  36 2015-11-04T00:20:39  <sipa> And the block logic uses the BIP object to determine whether the flag should be set or not
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  38 2015-11-04T00:22:09  <jtimon> rusty: sorry, I allowed my C-preference for libconsensus to get in the way, after making VersionBitsBIPActivation a C-compatible struct in Consensus::Params and making the map and internal caching structure there's no interference with libconsensus' future C API
  39 2015-11-04T00:23:21  <jtimon> bool Consensus::IsActive(const BIP &BIP, const Consensus::Params& consensusParams, const CBlockIndex& blockIndex) is fine
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  41 2015-11-04T00:24:20  <jtimon> and there's no need for CheckVersion or CalculateState
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  43 2015-11-04T00:26:47  <jtimon> the int rule is only needed if you want to maintain a common UseRule that is also used for the old rules, but I'm fine with having a separate UseRuleOld
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  61 2015-11-04T00:59:06  <dcousens> is there way to check what block a transaction is in via the RPC?
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  63 2015-11-04T00:59:57  <dcousens> nvm
  64 2015-11-04T00:59:59  <dcousens> getrawtransaction
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  83 2015-11-04T01:31:11  <arowser> The boot build fail when I try to cross compile bitcoin from MAC on ubuntu 14.04.3, error msg is "./boost/config/select_stdlib_config.hpp:18:12: fatal error: 'cstddef' file not found"
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  97 2015-11-04T01:49:33  <Nickyo9> its not romur! bitcoin going to hit 1500$ due to this news!!! coindesk lie to us! http://www.nasdaqtoday.com/Overstock-has-confirmed-that-Nasdaq-is-using-blockchain
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  99 2015-11-04T01:50:08  <rusty> Nickyo9: not here.  Leave please.
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 103 2015-11-04T01:57:09  <mappum> is there a rough ETA for the proposed bips 65,68,112,113 soft fork? (or whichever of those are accepted)
 104 2015-11-04T01:57:36  <mappum> and will that soft fork be deployed as Bitcoin Core 0.12?
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 106 2015-11-04T02:02:45  <rusty> jtimon: I've hacked up a versionbits variant which should be closer to consensus-ready.  Pushed, but untested.
 107 2015-11-04T02:04:50  <rusty> jtimon: now I'm *really* done :)
 108 2015-11-04T02:04:59  <aj> mappum: 65/cltv is supposed to be end of the month, in 0.11 and backported to 0.10. 68/112/csv were wanting more testing but could be "near term"; 113 needs to be an isStandard check first apparenlty
 109 2015-11-04T02:05:08  <aj> mappum: (based on the irc meeting logs)
 110 2015-11-04T02:06:53  <mappum> aj: thanks. how often/when are the irc meetings?
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 112 2015-11-04T02:08:11  <aj> mappum: weekly, thursday 19:00 UTC -- https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-September/011147.html
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 114 2015-11-04T02:08:45  <mappum> aj: cool, good to know. thanks for the info
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 125 2015-11-04T02:35:02  <Nickyo9> OKCoin rising up due to the nasdaq news BITCOIN TO 1000$++++ http://www.nasdaqtoday.com
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 128 2015-11-04T02:41:08  <Luke-Jr> !ops
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 133 2015-11-04T02:44:58  <gmaxwell> thats malware.
 134 2015-11-04T02:45:21  <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: midnightmagic please make sure you specifcally call out these links as malware too. Saves people from clicking.
 135 2015-11-04T02:46:56  <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: I didn't even know :x
 136 2015-11-04T02:47:19  <rusty> gmaxwell: we need BIP62 for lightning, BTW.
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 138 2015-11-04T02:48:51  <rusty> gmaxwell: aj pointed it out, we use one-sided anchor tx to a 2x2, with a pre-setup "all back to one party" 2x2 transaction.  If I malleate your anchor tx, I can hold your funds to ransom.
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 140 2015-11-04T02:49:57  <rusty> gmaxwell, sipa: does this mean I need to add it to my TODO list to implement BIP62 and start pushing it?
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 142 2015-11-04T02:50:09  <gmaxwell> if its 2 of 2 bip62 cannot prevent it from being malleated.
 143 2015-11-04T02:50:27  <gmaxwell> Because they can just resign.
 144 2015-11-04T02:51:11  <gmaxwell> I belief we shold flesh out luke-jr's idea for cleanly deploying segregated witness in bitcoin as a soft fork and see what that looks like.
 145 2015-11-04T02:51:43  <gmaxwell> As it's a complete fix, and not a bunch of pathing around and praying that we caught all the cases and haven't introduced others.
 146 2015-11-04T02:51:44  <aj> gmaxwell: can't only the second signer of a tx re-sign it?
 147 2015-11-04T02:52:09  <gmaxwell> aj: no, absolutely not. The signature doesn't cover signatures.
 148 2015-11-04T02:52:11  <rusty> gmaxwell: no, the initial tx is normal, just to a 2x2 output.
 149 2015-11-04T02:52:39  <rusty> gmaxwell: the 2x2 your given as a refund spends it.  If taht initial tx is malleated, the refund tx is useless.
 150 2015-11-04T02:53:06  <aj> gmaxwell: wow, crazy
 151 2015-11-04T02:53:36  <rusty> aj: yeah, it makes for interesting design problems with lightning, that's why we have only single-sided anchors for example.
 152 2015-11-04T02:53:38  <Luke-Jr> rusty: why BIP62 vs normalized txids, SW, and/or anti-malleability fix?
 153 2015-11-04T02:54:44  <rusty> Luke-Jr: timeline.  I know what #bitcoin-wizards is like, anything in discussion now is years away from deployment.  My LN design explicitly only relies on extant BIPs.
 154 2015-11-04T02:54:53  <gmaxwell> rusty: okay, then technically something BIP62 like may be enough IFF the initial coins are a plain p2pkh/p2pk/p2sh-multisig. Why is CLTV not used for the refund in that case, however?
 155 2015-11-04T02:55:25  <rusty> gmaxwell: because the anchor tx needs to go into the chain.  There's no good timeout value for CTLV.
 156 2015-11-04T02:55:30  <aj> gmaxwell: for singe-sided anchors, that's fine though, the dual-signed tx is the commitment, and we don't build on top of that until it's published in the blockchain
 157 2015-11-04T02:55:39  <gmaxwell> I think BIP62 is not closer than soft-fork seg witness. BIP62 did not move forward as was because of what a source of repeated problems and hairballing is.
 158 2015-11-04T02:55:57  <gmaxwell> rusty: you're going to author a refund, right, this refund has a locktime, no?
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 160 2015-11-04T02:56:14  <IDoTrades> bitcoin going to hit 1500$ due to this news!!! coindesk lie to us! http://www.nasdaqtoday.com/Overstock-has-confirmed-that-Nasdaq-is-using-blockchain
 161 2015-11-04T02:56:16  <aj> gmaxwell: refund has a CSV delay
 162 2015-11-04T02:56:24  <rusty> gmaxwell: yes....
 163 2015-11-04T02:56:50  <gmaxwell> malware
 164 2015-11-04T02:56:51  <rusty> gmaxwell: no, refund doesn't ahve a locktime, sorry.
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 166 2015-11-04T02:57:34  <rusty> gmaxwell: refund is the first commit tx.
 167 2015-11-04T02:58:19  <rusty> gmaxwell: there's no timeout on the anchor transaction.  Placing one there means a fight between limiting how long your refund is delayed and how long the channel can live.
 168 2015-11-04T02:58:45  <rusty> (the output of the commit tx is complicated, yes, but that's not relevant here)
 169 2015-11-04T03:01:17  <rusty> Since BIP62 is basically "don't do stupid shit", I disagree about readiness.  It may not be complete, but it's certainly better than now.
 170 2015-11-04T03:01:22  <gmaxwell> In any case, BIP62 was not deployed for a reason, and has been being deployed incrementally instead, at least the parts that made sense. It's a less than half solution at best (though perhaps a half thats useful to you here) and had repeated soundness failures.  And it was disruptive enough that it had to be opted into.
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 173 2015-11-04T03:02:47  <rusty> gmaxwell: There's a fair argument that new tx restrictions should always be opted into, though.
 174 2015-11-04T03:03:23  <gmaxwell> Thats not the argument here; it really intrusively limits script behavior (which is also a risk to implementation correctness).
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 176 2015-11-04T03:04:22  <aj> gmaxwell: intrusively == lots of details to verify for correctness? it doesn't actually make anything impossible or even harder does it?
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 178 2015-11-04T03:04:35  <gmaxwell> and still leaves most things totally vulnerable; witness AJ's assu[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Danymption above.
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 180 2015-11-04T03:05:01  <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, wat
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 183 2015-11-04T03:05:57  <gmaxwell> rusty: don't you need anti-malleability for the whole chain of transactions generally, including signers redoing their signatures?
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 186 2015-11-04T03:06:44  <rusty> gmaxwell: no.  I never build a chain of txs; the original lightning paper had that issue.
 187 2015-11-04T03:06:46  <aj> gmaxwell: (in my defense it wasn't an assumption; i couldn't figure out the answer from the docs or code last time i looked, so took the opportunity to get an expert answer ;)
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 194 2015-11-04T03:09:04  <rusty> gmaxwell: SW is wonderful, but we won't see it in 2016.  I will work on BIP62 if nobody else does.
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 199 2015-11-04T03:10:07  <phantomcircuit> rusty, you use CSV to switch the channel direction right?
 200 2015-11-04T03:10:17  <rusty> phantomcircuit: <sigh>  No.
 201 2015-11-04T03:10:34  <rusty> https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/blob/master/doc/deployable-lightning.pdf
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 203 2015-11-04T03:14:16  <phantomcircuit> rusty, horray something to read :)
 204 2015-11-04T03:14:22  <aj> phantomcircuit: (the channel is bidirectional natively; it doesn't switch directions)
 205 2015-11-04T03:14:37  <phantomcircuit> oh this is the double anchor design
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 209 2015-11-04T03:17:10  <gmaxwell> I think we are more likely to see it in 2016 than BIP62.
 210 2015-11-04T03:18:02  <gmaxwell> aj: don't feel that I was being critical your assumption was not unreasonable-- it's the natural one, and one of the many problems of BIP62.
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 212 2015-11-04T03:18:42  <aj> gmaxwell: i was just being defensive :)
 213 2015-11-04T03:18:48  <gmaxwell> That it really is no improvement except in certian narrow cases (which happen to be common).
 214 2015-11-04T03:19:20  <gmaxwell> rusty: please do not waste your time.
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 216 2015-11-04T03:19:50  <rusty> gmaxwell: what, implementing lightning?
 217 2015-11-04T03:20:46  <gmaxwell> trying to rescue BIP62. It is more complex to implement than soft-fork seg witnees currently appears to be, and it is necessarily incomplete, and difficult to prove sound (and kept having soundness errors over its life).
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 227 2015-11-04T03:47:25  <dcousens> gmaxwell: wont SW cause disruptive changes?
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 229 2015-11-04T03:47:48  <dcousens> Like major ones
 230 2015-11-04T03:47:50  <dcousens> Structurally?
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 232 2015-11-04T03:49:38  <gmaxwell> dcousens: Can you make your question more specific?
 233 2015-11-04T03:49:57  <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, it'll break all the wallets
 234 2015-11-04T03:50:02  <gmaxwell> no it won't.
 235 2015-11-04T03:50:04  <dcousens> gmaxwell: SW is the separation of the data and the witness, aka the transaction and the signatures.  Won't that cause major disruption for like, everything
 236 2015-11-04T03:50:19  <phantomcircuit> although i guess we could rewrite transactions the same was the highs->lows stuff works
 237 2015-11-04T03:50:33  <gmaxwell> dcousens: no, luke came up with a formulation while discussing BIP130 which is compatible with the existing transaction format.
 238 2015-11-04T03:50:48  <dcousens> gmaxwell: nice, any link?
 239 2015-11-04T03:51:11  <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: oh _forcing_ you to use that would be disruptive, but there is no need to force it.
 240 2015-11-04T03:51:25  <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, yeah that's what i think he was thinking
 241 2015-11-04T03:51:26  <gmaxwell> even BIP62 at its height of belief would have been opt in. :)
 242 2015-11-04T03:51:45  <gmaxwell> dcousens: mailing list an in here, but the  .. have t orun
 243 2015-11-04T03:52:13  <dcousens> gmaxwell: ah, the ML, welp.  Haha, ok I'll have a look through
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 251 2015-11-04T04:06:28  <gmaxwell> dcousens: back, in any case it's straight forward. a new opcode would say "no signature here" and then the signature is required to be empty (or empty beyond p2sh, if it were used with that). Then, if all your inputs are done that way, the normal txid is the SW txid.  Signatures get tacked on to the end of the transaction. Bitcoin Core used to relay data tacked onto the end of transactions (with no a
 252 2015-11-04T04:06:34  <gmaxwell> ccounting or validation of it), so this would bring that back with validation of the signatures.
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 332 2015-11-04T04:57:32  <moli> i got a spam from  [BitcoinNews] (~IDoTrades@31.6.10.26) when entering this channel
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 416 2015-11-04T07:28:18  <bitcoin519> is it possible to run two instances of bitcoind with different data-dirs but share the same blockchain files?
 417 2015-11-04T07:29:46  <wumpus> you can run as many bitcoind instances as you like, but they cannot share anything
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 424 2015-11-04T07:31:56  <bitcoin519> wumpus: so they would need their own seperate copies of the blockchain?
 425 2015-11-04T07:32:05  <wumpus> yes
 426 2015-11-04T07:32:40  <wumpus> you can use pruning to make them only store part of the block chain
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 428 2015-11-04T07:32:57  <bitcoin519> is that compatible with the wallet portion of bitcoind though?
 429 2015-11-04T07:33:31  <wumpus> in master/0.12 it is
 430 2015-11-04T07:34:05  <bitcoin519> oh cool! I'll check that out
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 478 2015-11-04T08:38:23  <fimp> hi. Do you know in which cases "bitcoind gettransaction" returns -1 (minus one) confirmations?
 479 2015-11-04T08:38:29  <fimp> I've had a couple of cases with this
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 482 2015-11-04T08:41:07  <jouke> aren't they doublespends?
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 485 2015-11-04T08:43:12  <jonasschnelli> fimp, jouke:  -1  : not in blockchain, and not in memory pool (conflicted transaction)
 486 2015-11-04T08:43:29  <jonasschnelli> 0  : in memory pool, waiting to be included in a block
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 490 2015-11-04T08:44:12  <jouke> but gettransaction only returns wallet transactions right? So the transaction was probably malleated?
 491 2015-11-04T08:44:22  <jouke> (and thus "doublespent")
 492 2015-11-04T08:45:34  <jonasschnelli> very likely conflicted (double spend). Happens regularly when playing around in regtest...
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 533 2015-11-04T09:52:16  <ThomasV> ops: please ban IDoTrades, he is spamming with malware
 534 2015-11-04T09:52:43  <ThomasV> (links to a video that requires to install "flash player")
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 536 2015-11-04T09:53:26  <ThomasV> midnightmagic: ^
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 543 2015-11-04T10:02:41  <midnightmagic> oh he's back is he
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 596 2015-11-04T11:15:56  <VVTRader> We going to 3000$ read the news!! http://www.nasdaqtoday.com/Overstock-has-confirmed-that-Nasdaq-is-using-blockchain
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 606 2015-11-04T11:34:30  <VVTRader> We going to 3000$ read the news!! http://www.nasdaqtoday.com/Overstock-has-confirmed-that-Nasdaq-is-using-blockchain
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 608 2015-11-04T11:42:22  <ThomasV> midnightmagic: see VVTRader
 609 2015-11-04T11:42:33  <ThomasV> that's the same link
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 654 2015-11-04T13:09:05  <jtimon> more thoughts on replacing the Container in #6907 ? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6907#discussion_r43473571
 655 2015-11-04T13:10:33  <jtimon> I'm happy to change it for something equivalent, but it was simpler to me to just implement it than to compare several possibilities (and probably my choice would have been questioned anyway)
 656 2015-11-04T13:11:47  <jtimon> jonasschnelli: C++11 smart pointer are not an option, but I bet there's something similar and easy to port to c++11 smart pointers in boost
 657 2015-11-04T13:13:16  <jonasschnelli> jtimon: maybe we should use a boost managed pointer and switch to c++11 when we start porting to c++11?
 658 2015-11-04T13:13:47  <jonasschnelli> But i'm also fine with Container class... but then we should not use "Container" as class name in the global namespace IMO.
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 660 2015-11-04T13:15:44  <jtimon> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_59_0/libs/smart_ptr/scoped_ptr.htm seems very close (although actually my container gives more guarantees because the get returns a const ref instead of a non-const pointer)
 661 2015-11-04T13:16:24  <jtimon> jonasschnelli: ok, if we keep the container, we can obviously change the name to something less generic
 662 2015-11-04T13:17:04  <jtimon> or define a BitcoinTemplates namespace or something
 663 2015-11-04T13:18:04  <jtimon> I guess I'll just continue the discussion in the PR...
 664 2015-11-04T13:18:17  <jonasschnelli> I would prefer the scoped_ptr from the boost library...
 665 2015-11-04T13:19:09  <jtimon> yeah, the advantage of my template is very small and we are getting it by encapsulating the global behind Params() anyway
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 669 2015-11-04T13:20:20  <jtimon> thanks
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 692 2015-11-04T13:49:30  <rubensayshi> hmm nLocktime makes a TX non standard and not accepted into mempool right?
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 695 2015-11-04T13:53:21  <jgarzik_> rubensayshi, not accepted into block or mempool
 696 2015-11-04T13:53:27  <jgarzik_> rubensayshi, it is still standard
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 706 2015-11-04T14:05:52  <JackH> hey guys, where do we have a testnet faucet?
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 710 2015-11-04T14:09:01  <instagibbs> JackH, http://tpfaucet.appspot.com/
 711 2015-11-04T14:09:08  <instagibbs> first one on google results..
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 714 2015-11-04T14:10:07  <nkuttler> um, that only has 19 coins left? better use mine..
 715 2015-11-04T14:10:29  <nkuttler> not that it really matters though
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 735 2015-11-04T14:57:27  <jtimon> rubensayshi: it is standard but non-final (that's why it doesn't enter the mempool)
 736 2015-11-04T14:57:39  <rubensayshi> ok
 737 2015-11-04T14:57:58  <rubensayshi> so nodes don't keep it around at all? ( I couldn't find the relevant code :/ )
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 805 2015-11-04T16:21:25  <instagibbs> nope. I'd like to know how to have it check all but finality, if there's a way.
 806 2015-11-04T16:21:33  <instagibbs> Seems useful for testing
 807 2015-11-04T16:23:02  <gmaxwell> instagibbs: one way might be via a block proposal.
 808 2015-11-04T16:23:19  <gmaxwell> Though some extra flags would need to be added to accept block proposals from more than 2 hours in the future.
 809 2015-11-04T16:23:48  <gmaxwell> thats probably an elegant way to test transactions overall, since you can pack up a dependency chain into a block.
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 871 2015-11-04T18:00:04  <wangchun> We've lately got lots of 20000-sigop blocks, it seems someone is flooding the network with 144-sigop and 225-sigop transactions
 872 2015-11-04T18:00:27  <wangchun> #bitcoin-core-dev no longer used?
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 880 2015-11-04T18:10:18  <Lightsword_> wangchun, thought you might find this interesting, I hacked together a pool block change benchmarking tool http://poolbench.antminer.link/
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 885 2015-11-04T18:15:17  <bsm1175321> wangchun: #bitcoin-core-dev is specific to Satoshi's code (AFAIK), your question is probably better asked here.  Can you provide a link for such a tx?
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 907 2015-11-04T19:00:30  <wangchun> bsm117532: bitcoin getblocktemplate | grep '"sigops" : [0-9][0-9][0-9]' you'll see
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 921 2015-11-04T19:12:57  <arubi> *cough* "[0-9]\{3\}"
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 926 2015-11-04T19:15:05  <mcelrath> or: bitcoin-cli getblocktemplate | grep '"sigops": [0-9]{3,}'
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 928 2015-11-04T19:15:41  <mcelrath> I've got 3 right now, one with 466 sigops.  Why reject these?
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 934 2015-11-04T19:22:31  <dhill> 20000 per block, 4000 per tx?
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 957 2015-11-04T19:57:10  <dhill> someone kicked in CLTV for testnet it appears
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 976 2015-11-04T20:19:14  <davec> Yep.  All of the nodes on testnet which haven't upgraded to CLTV code yet are continuing the chain that is invalid per CLTV rules
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 978 2015-11-04T20:22:57  <nkuttler> um, is cltv relesed yet? i thought only merged?
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 982 2015-11-04T20:28:40  <davec> Doesn't matter.  Anyone doing IBD on the testnet chain one the new code (whether now or when released later) will hit the activation of the CLTV soft fork and then reject the first v3 block after the activation
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 989 2015-11-04T20:38:52  <wizkid057> is there really no bitcoin RPC call besides GBT that returns the "bits" field?
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 991 2015-11-04T20:39:39  <wizkid057> for the current difficulty I mean
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 993 2015-11-04T20:42:36  <davec> not that I know of.  Everything else is the difficulty as a ratio
 994 2015-11-04T20:43:38  <davec> (and of course part of getblock/getblockheader, but that's not the current)
 995 2015-11-04T20:43:54  <wizkid057> yeah
 996 2015-11-04T20:43:59  <wizkid057> hmm
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1000 2015-11-04T20:48:40  <davec> Regarding the CLTV thing, either there wil end up being a massive reorg on testnet or a check will have to be added to only consider v4 blocks after a certain timestamp.
1001 2015-11-04T20:49:42  <belcher> regarding CLTV, does anyone know if it can be used on regtest from the latest release? or does master need to be compiled to try it out?
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1003 2015-11-04T20:54:20  <dhill> anyone running master with bip65 soft-fork logic should be stuck on testnet at 582929
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1034 2015-11-04T21:34:05  <gmaxwell> davec: yes, it kicked in last weekend. The CLTV side has a vast supermajority hashpower fortunately, so no compatibility issue.
1035 2015-11-04T21:35:04  <gmaxwell> I think this leave the question closed on if soft fork signaling should have a start at date.
1036 2015-11-04T21:35:10  <gmaxwell> rusty: ^ re BIP9.
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1041 2015-11-04T21:38:44  <Lightsword_> has anyone else ever done pool block propagation benchmarking like this before? http://poolbench.antminer.link/ I’m seeing ~10 seconds for blocks to get out of china
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1046 2015-11-04T21:42:30  <morcos> gmaxwell: sdaftuar ran the analysis we talked about last meeting for chains of txs in blocks
1047 2015-11-04T21:42:51  <morcos> the results were surprising to me at first, but then upon reflection i guess it makes sense
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1049 2015-11-04T21:43:04  <morcos> there are considerably long chains of txs contained within single blocks
1050 2015-11-04T21:43:26  <morcos> but given that almost all of the time there is very little fee pressure to make it in a block
1051 2015-11-04T21:43:58  <morcos> you would expect that if you had a chain of txs all paying reasonable fees, that they'd pretty much all get included in the next block
1052 2015-11-04T21:44:50  <morcos> and that to the extent that one of the txs towards the beginning and lower fees (which might be why we got a chain in the first place).  that at the point that one could be included, they all would
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1055 2015-11-04T21:45:43  <morcos> thats just guesswork as to whats going on.  but around 40% of blocks contain at least one chain that would have violated the proposed limits
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1058 2015-11-04T21:49:25  <gmaxwell> morcos: I guess we need to look at those chains then. :(
1059 2015-11-04T21:49:45  <sipa> morcos: wow
1060 2015-11-04T21:49:57  <morcos> gmaxwell: yeah when sdaftuar gets back online i'll ask him about publishing his data
1061 2015-11-04T21:50:20  <morcos> but he calculated for each tx in each block its package counts, so we can do any analysis we want
1062 2015-11-04T21:50:37  <morcos> but what do you mean by look at them?
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1068 2015-11-04T21:55:57  <morcos> For instance the first one I looked at 21a8d6742912328c02360ba22313f0be27608fc031e2973745b96da2da1a1f85 is a tx that has 241 descendants, that look to mostly be a serial chain of spending change that were issued in relatively quick succession
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1070 2015-11-04T21:57:35  <morcos> heh, its not spending change, its using that txs output to pay for the fees of other txs
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1073 2015-11-04T21:59:10  <morcos> thats interesting, maybe some kind of wallet service which covers fees for their users
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1079 2015-11-04T22:02:50  <morcos> but silly them they first consolidated a bunch of in-chain utxo's to one unconfirmed utxo, and then spent that one serially
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1089 2015-11-04T22:06:27  <sipa> cfields: do you have any way through which i can easily run leveldb's unit tests in windows?
1090 2015-11-04T22:06:39  <sipa> crosscompile/wine/travis/depends/...
1091 2015-11-04T22:07:02  <cfields> sipa: sure, should just be a quick hack or two
1092 2015-11-04T22:07:30  <sipa> i want to merge bitcoin/leveldb#9 nowish, but i'd like to run its own unit tests at least once...
1093 2015-11-04T22:07:53  <cfields> sipa: i should think you could just change the target in the bitcoin makefile, and then do a typical cross build
1094 2015-11-04T22:08:23  <cfields> sec
1095 2015-11-04T22:08:27  <sipa> thanks!
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1101 2015-11-04T22:15:23  <cfields> sipa: actually, looks even easier than that
1102 2015-11-04T22:16:44  <cfields> sipa: make CC=x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc CXX=x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++ AR=x86_64-w64-mingw32-ar LDFLAGS=-static TARGET_OS=OS_WINDOWS_CROSSCOMPILE check
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1105 2015-11-04T22:17:16  <sipa> how will it know to invoke wine?
1106 2015-11-04T22:17:22  <cfields> (from leveldb dir, ofc)
1107 2015-11-04T22:17:48  <cfields> sipa: in linux, that's actually handled via a kernel module. It should just work (tm).
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1109 2015-11-04T22:18:41  <cfields> magic# is checked in the binary before running as long as binfmt_misc is installed/inserted.
1110 2015-11-04T22:18:42  <sipa> heh, the leveldb unit tests invoke geteuid, which windows doesn't have
1111 2015-11-04T22:18:46  <sipa> nobody every ran these tests
1112 2015-11-04T22:18:56  <cfields> sipa: oh yep, forgot i had to hack that out.
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1114 2015-11-04T22:19:22  <sipa> CorruptionTest.recovery fails
1115 2015-11-04T22:19:32  <sipa> wumpus: looks related
1116 2015-11-04T22:19:50  <sipa> db/corruption_test.cc:168: Assertion failure s.ok() IO error: C:\users\pw\Temp\leveldb\test\\db_test\000003.log: Invalid handle.
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1121 2015-11-04T22:23:15  <sipa> oh, this fails on current leveldb too
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1136 2015-11-04T22:37:56  <farghaly> can input-output reference make recursion and stack overflow ?
1137 2015-11-04T22:38:42  <gmaxwell> farghaly: an input is identified by the cryptographic hash of a transaction, so you cannot make A depend on B if B depends on A.
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1139 2015-11-04T22:39:09  <gmaxwell> In Bitcoin Core, almost nothing of it goes onto the stack.
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