1 2015-11-18T00:00:12 <sipa> neither should affect the consensus logic (until v4 75% triggers for cltv, and never for low-S)
2 2015-11-18T00:00:18 <sipa> only mempool/relay
3 2015-11-18T00:00:33 <jtoomim> yeah, that's why i said it's not a great hypothesis
4 2015-11-18T00:01:23 <gmaxwell> sipa: CLTV is triggered on testnet.
5 2015-11-18T00:01:38 <sipa> oh, right!
6 2015-11-18T00:01:59 <jtoomim> yes, and we were on a BIP101 chain, which means 100% blocks > v3
7 2015-11-18T00:02:40 <jtoomim> but potentially with invalid OP_CLTV use in that chain even though the blocks have > v3
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9 2015-11-18T00:03:19 <jtoomim> maybe there is a block that is getting marked as invalid that would otherwise be the best block
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11 2015-11-18T00:04:07 <sipa> well what you're doing sounds broken... if you don't plan to follow the BIP65 rule that says to enforce OP_CLTV after 75% v4, you can just not implement it at all
12 2015-11-18T00:04:18 <sipa> but that still shouldn't cause the assert failure there
13 2015-11-18T00:04:57 <gmaxwell> sipa: what he's saying is that he added BIP65 code long after tha chain had crossed the BIP65 threshold, so god knows whats in its history.
14 2015-11-18T00:05:06 <jtoomim> well, XT intends to support BIP65
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16 2015-11-18T00:05:21 <jtoomim> but it's tricky to do because XT's block version number is already greater than the v4 used by Core
17 2015-11-18T00:05:37 <jtoomim> gmaxwell exactly
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19 2015-11-18T00:06:06 <sipa> well BIP101 is using BIP9's version logic, which can only be deployed when there are no ongoing ISM-based softforks anymore
20 2015-11-18T00:06:21 <jtoomim> and perhaps the code path for view.GetBestBlock() will exclude or include invalid blocks differently from the code path for pindex->GetBlockHash()
21 2015-11-18T00:06:31 <sipa> jtoomim: no
22 2015-11-18T00:06:41 <sipa> the view can't contain invalid blocks
23 2015-11-18T00:06:54 <sipa> it's just a set of unspent outputs
24 2015-11-18T00:07:07 <sipa> oh
25 2015-11-18T00:07:21 <jtoomim> what if the invalid OP_CLTV is before the last 288 blocks?
26 2015-11-18T00:07:28 <jtoomim> and we're reorging more than 288 blocks?
27 2015-11-18T00:07:43 <sipa> disconnecting should still work
28 2015-11-18T00:07:51 <jtoomim> when i restart with BIP65 support, it might not detect the invalid block until it tries to reorg past it
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31 2015-11-18T00:08:18 <sipa> but the fact that you might have an invalid block in your history may lead to untested states
32 2015-11-18T00:08:36 <jtoomim> disconnecting is supposed to still work, but it didn't
33 2015-11-18T00:09:27 <sipa> that's very strange though, as no script validation is involved at all for disconnecting
34 2015-11-18T00:09:30 <jtoomim> update: it seems that switching back to the released version of XT, 0.11.0C, which does not include BIP65 support, is allowing the reorg to continue properly
35 2015-11-18T00:09:59 <jtoomim> unfortunately, i tried that with all of my nodes at the same time, so I can't try to test for repeatability
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40 2015-11-18T00:14:40 <jtoomim> maybe during CVerifyDB::VerifyDB?
41 2015-11-18T00:14:49 <sipa> is it at startup?
42 2015-11-18T00:15:14 <jtoomim> yeah, i think so
43 2015-11-18T00:15:18 <sipa> ah!
44 2015-11-18T00:15:20 <jtoomim> i had some nodes crash due to OOM
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54 2015-11-18T00:34:32 <rusty> sipa: actually, bip9 can be deplyed with ISM, as long as the bip9 implementations implement those ISM bips too.
55 2015-11-18T00:34:42 <sipa> right, of course
56 2015-11-18T00:35:14 <rusty> sipa: which is why I wasn't sweating too much about it...
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63 2015-11-18T00:46:10 <gmaxwell> rusty: speaking of that, did you see the request to add a signaling start time anything that would get bip9 deployed?
64 2015-11-18T00:46:31 <gmaxwell> BIP65 starting before there was any released bitcoin software that supported it was more than a little unfun.
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66 2015-11-18T00:49:22 <rusty> gmaxwell: I disagree with the need for a start time. The issue is that if (say) BIP 300 and BIP 400 both use versionbit 7 for signalling, we have to know about their ordering. That is a real requirement, and sufficient information.
67 2015-11-18T00:49:56 <rusty> gmaxwell: a "start time" is actually a poor-man's ordering, and has no place in the specification or implementation, IMHO.
68 2015-11-18T00:50:14 <gmaxwell> rusty: We will not deploy a future soft fork without a signaling start time in core. Feel free to not do so in BIP9, or I'll happily create a new BIP.
69 2015-11-18T00:50:41 <gmaxwell> If it isn't clear what I'm saying, a signaling start time has nothing to do with the decision logic.
70 2015-11-18T00:50:47 <gmaxwell> It does not order proposals.
71 2015-11-18T00:51:06 <rusty> gmaxwell: ah, sorry, that was the previous reason for wanting a start time.
72 2015-11-18T00:51:33 <gmaxwell> rusty: sorry; I think you probably missed where I broadcast at you about this before (stupid timezones)
73 2015-11-18T00:51:59 <sipa> a start time also captures that in practice, as there will almost certainly be enough time in between ending one fork and beginning another on the same bit to allow several software releases in between
74 2015-11-18T00:52:14 <sipa> but they are independent problems, and we can solve one with a timestamp and the other with an ordering
75 2015-11-18T00:52:19 <gmaxwell> With BIP65 we had _25%_ hashpower on it before there was a single released piece of software supporting it, and a real risk that it would actually hit activation before any software release. So all I think we need is just a gentlemans agreement to not start signaling support until a particular point.
76 2015-11-18T00:52:43 <rusty> gmaxwell: yuk.
77 2015-11-18T00:53:04 <gmaxwell> yuking at the 25% or just not signaling until?
78 2015-11-18T00:53:07 <rusty> gmaxwell: I mean, maybe if they were running pre-release, but if they're just signalling as some sort of political message...
79 2015-11-18T00:53:35 <gmaxwell> I think prerelease/backported change, but it's impossible to know for sure. :)
80 2015-11-18T00:54:05 <Lightsword> I think they built it from the 0.11 git branch right after it was merged
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82 2015-11-18T00:54:58 <rusty> gmaxwell: ok, well now I understand the motivation, at least. I think it makes sense to have a start time after the next anticipated reference implementation release, for that reason.
83 2015-11-18T00:55:03 <gmaxwell> Also, keeping in mind there are multple releases of different software we don't want to have to coordinate releases too much. E.g. if we can release today and BTCD says they need two weeks, I don't want to delay a bitcoin core release with softfork support nor do I want to have it lock on the network before a widely used implementation can handle it.
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85 2015-11-18T00:55:52 <gmaxwell> Also, our expirence in the last couple years is that many miners upgrade fast; but soft forks go smoother if the softfork will be widely enforced.
86 2015-11-18T00:56:18 <gmaxwell> so having miners hold back a bit can give everyone else a chance to ugprade.
87 2015-11-18T00:56:44 <rusty> gmaxwell: There are two obvious ways. First is to make the start date a fork requirement, second is to have the code not signal support until after a certain date. The latter might just make more problems, though/
88 2015-11-18T00:57:23 <sipa> i would make it a requirement
89 2015-11-18T00:57:49 <gmaxwell> Hm. I was trying to suggest the most simple thing that would discourage the bad effect we just saw. :)
90 2015-11-18T00:57:58 <rusty> sipa: it's hard though, as a BIP author. You can't set that date until you've merged the code, really.
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92 2015-11-18T00:58:42 <gmaxwell> well worse, I think it needs to be a height or MTP not just 'date' if it's actually required.
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96 2015-11-18T01:01:24 <rusty> gmaxwell: yeah, for this I think height works, since it'd be "soonish". Putting it in the BIP itself assumes adoption, but not signalling until a certain height may just mean that we can't *see* the problem.
97 2015-11-18T01:02:03 <rusty> sipa: so, guesstimate block height at next major release of bitcoin core / libconsensus + 1 month?
98 2015-11-18T01:02:53 <gmaxwell> that is really potentially adding a lot of extra time for deployment, which means it risks getting bypassed.
99 2015-11-18T01:03:18 <Lightsword> gmaxwell, was patent risk the only blocker for enabling GLV in core with libsecp256k1??
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102 2015-11-18T01:04:07 <sipa> Lightsword: it's also more complex code
103 2015-11-18T01:04:09 <gmaxwell> bleh, part of the attraction of it being non-normative was that you could even leave it out of the BIP, "I won't start until X" is just an implementation 'detail'
104 2015-11-18T01:04:13 <sipa> (though equally well tested)
105 2015-11-18T01:04:32 <davec> could based it on the mediantime
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108 2015-11-18T01:05:17 <rusty> gmaxwell: right, so that's basically "no advertising until X". Hey, we could make it statistical, so you ramp up your probability of advertising it over the month post-merge :)
109 2015-11-18T01:05:24 <Lightsword> sipa, was there a specific patent that you were worried about?
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111 2015-11-18T01:05:40 <gmaxwell> Lightsword: yes.
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113 2015-11-18T01:05:57 <rusty> gmaxwell: hell, we could have a bit to say "I've got support for something I'm not advertising yet" as a very rough indicator.
114 2015-11-18T01:06:21 <gmaxwell> rusty: that would ... also be okay, but perhaps more complicated!
115 2015-11-18T01:06:34 <sipa> ok, not advertizing seems easier; fine be me
116 2015-11-18T01:07:01 <rusty> gmaxwell: well, statistical seems like something that enthusiasts will override, so we'll *not* be able to infer anything from the results.
117 2015-11-18T01:07:46 <rusty> gmaxwell: at least a "other stuff is coming RSN" bit gives a signal of adoption (though, smooshed into a single bit, so you have to make an educated guess on what softfork but they're talking about).
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294 2015-11-18T06:10:51 <btcdrak> gmaxwell: rusty: signalling was added to BIP9, the PR needs to be merged https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/219
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366 2015-11-18T08:56:40 <Interkhanet> Hi...
367 2015-11-18T08:56:50 <Interkhanet> I'm here for coins, goys...
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369 2015-11-18T08:57:14 <Interkhanet> 8o0gfyn438owtnv89p3ot v43t4n3 eyrto5ytgw4yfyipvwgu3 hn94 smgnxoh5j4n679043 ;ehtvinjy43j;p7t3w9nuy6[0t4gnjghyhdnzjc8yn4835ny gnf erv,moipzmipr'o vtr4wvfgwioregmorghkrkl, h5w4gvdlkx
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375 2015-11-18T08:59:04 <Interkhanet> s4eat345etngijos5my5gst8iun5;sonyho;ges554 k gviuofyn;io ai gonsyuv;45rm vb6tpnh37458903n69enrfjgmzy8gsvmji ogzm;rgeinrgf9ekjm9upv4sthj uwit vsa y5 yhytbkjhnumb tltnrvsre5 m lkmvebnkuf e nvfcewamhlfaergjlk5anhgah beri bvnls 5e n5wgio;n54 regnhurjymwtgoy f89yet ym s45beyhg 90cs84ey4wn w4e5yune56nuenbu6e5bvnek5 myj0894o5g5vt4w57yw5vgtrunivjs4gogoersdjfm89j4s3t8suioyptgsyh;on yh 5yh t h hh54rtluijoyv439p8hnry43whhuio43seyun;98yuj5vt4
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377 2015-11-18T08:59:44 <btcdrak> gmaxwell: sipa: wumpus: we need a ban hammer in here please
378 2015-11-18T08:59:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wumpus
379 2015-11-18T08:59:55 <Interkhanet> reagwgfergrgewgewf rewahnfewycayhoiearghuio;renagreaahsrenhujg;ern yv.o ayui 4eltvhic3wtn4[3vt[0vausmepoi bgdjvw43ukbv;yeirtggaseu67cr tjuhkrdf67yjdcf rmjsuewg4lhdil6wsuio38wpli,;.pwijoe.;xoa;wf/0xqpr8lty0kojwiurel35wogn7vetrhjs hguoif9g;ng nuw54nugv9bvcnuop3 y7fr9npuy3ey8uejchoew gfh bahnrewackawe;rtva3h no; ezuynhewcjmpofzebnukzgniofzn iouhjg oi9pcrenjkl renkj4eoiv g4bujhivmcfnhj imer vtjuo
380 2015-11-18T08:59:56 <Interkhanet> NO
381 2015-11-18T08:59:57 <Interkhanet> PLEASE
382 2015-11-18T08:59:59 <Interkhanet> GOT
383 2015-11-18T09:00:00 <Interkhanet> ALL
384 2015-11-18T09:00:01 <Interkhanet> THE
385 2015-11-18T09:00:02 <Interkhanet> MONEYS
386 2015-11-18T09:00:12 * btcdrak waves goodbye
387 2015-11-18T09:00:14 *** wumpus sets mode: +b *!*@c-73-222-183-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
388 2015-11-18T09:00:16 *** Interkhanet was kicked by wumpus (Kindergarten is elsewhere!)
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392 2015-11-18T09:01:40 <wumpus> oh great now he started this nonsense in my pm
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395 2015-11-18T09:05:52 <midnightmagic> wumpus: you can change your mode to caller-id; +g : then I believe you get one notice that <nick> is trying to message you and can choose to ignore him or not. I mean if it gets bad. Or you can go +R where only registered users can message you.
396 2015-11-18T09:07:12 <wumpus> thanks midnightmagic
397 2015-11-18T09:09:02 <midnightmagic> wumpus: For more help on umodes, etc: /quote help umode / and then: /quote help accept
398 2015-11-18T09:09:10 <midnightmagic> oh. you're welcome.
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561 2015-11-18T15:00:45 <oleganza> I enjoyed "time travel" metaphor by gmaxwell. https://github.com/Blockstream/borromean_paper/raw/master/borromean_draft_0.01_8c3f9e7.pdf
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567 2015-11-18T15:06:22 <gmaxwell> \O/ I'm glad to hear someone likes it! That mental model actually is from andytoshi, making sense of my design.
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588 2015-11-18T15:28:19 <andytoshi> :) thanks oleganza
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590 2015-11-18T15:29:40 <oleganza> i'm not sure this metaphor actually helps understanding (i was confused quite a bit until i digged into algebra), but those two paragraphs have really made my day :-)
591 2015-11-18T15:30:49 <andytoshi> :P
592 2015-11-18T15:33:28 <oleganza> one question about ring signatures: when we choose which element joins two rings to make an AND proof, do we choose arbitrary element or the one for which we actually know trapdoor secret?
593 2015-11-18T15:33:42 <oleganza> (or i don't get that part and my question is lame?)
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595 2015-11-18T15:34:10 <andytoshi> oleganza: it can be arbitrary
596 2015-11-18T15:34:50 <oleganza> it can be, or it *must* be unpredictable?
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605 2015-11-18T15:42:51 <oleganza> i was studying Confidential Transactions and Zerocash and this stuff is HARD.
606 2015-11-18T15:43:23 <oleganza> I almost understand CT, but ZC is some sort of rocket science.
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608 2015-11-18T15:44:06 <oleganza> zkSNARK is like a bunch of SHA256-involved computation is compiled into a "verification circuit" that proves that relation between certain hashes is consistent without need for actual arguments.
609 2015-11-18T15:44:43 <oleganza> Then i looked into original Zerocoin paper and it uses something different - dynamic RSA one-way accumulators. I guess those were taking longer to verify and proofs were much larger.
610 2015-11-18T15:46:32 <oleganza> Now i'm wondering what if accummulator is not based on RSA scheme, but on ECC.
611 2015-11-18T15:46:47 <oleganza> does it make anything more compact or efficient? Is it even possible?
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614 2015-11-18T15:47:24 <gmaxwell> oleganza: yes, one of the advantages of CT is that its much easier to understand.
615 2015-11-18T15:47:55 <gmaxwell> That kind of accumulator fundimentally requires you have a cyclic group of unknown order.
616 2015-11-18T15:48:21 <gmaxwell> And you can't get that with ECC. RSA gives you that, so long as someone throws out the private key. (thus the trusted setup)
617 2015-11-18T15:49:15 <gmaxwell> There are other kinds of accumulators with different properties, but their efficiency is still not great; also any accumulator scheme has the problem of having evergrowing unprunable state.
618 2015-11-18T15:49:50 <gmaxwell> Which is like.. CT's one big strong point: No negative interaction with pruning.
619 2015-11-18T15:53:11 <gmaxwell> oleganza: re earlier question; if the join moves based on where your secret is; then it would leak your secret position.
620 2015-11-18T15:54:06 <gmaxwell> oleganza: so the join is just assigned a single particular static position in the implementation. It doesn't matter where it is in any case, just that the signer and verifier know.
621 2015-11-18T15:55:15 <gmaxwell> The signer has some complexity since each ringlet starts at a different offset depending on which position the secret is in. Then it runs until the join, and switches to run another ringlet to the join.. and once they're all at the join, it does the join and then goes back to finishing the rings.
622 2015-11-18T15:55:46 <gmaxwell> The verifier is easier, it get the join result as an input, and just goes around in a static order and verifies the join at the end.
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670 2015-11-18T17:37:18 <nwilcox> I've heard it said that SIGHASH_ALL is superlinear (in time, I suppose). This isn't true: It's linear in time and space, right?
671 2015-11-18T17:37:48 <nwilcox> A single pass on a transaction can store a set of hashes for each txin.
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673 2015-11-18T17:38:21 <sipa> the computation of a single sighash is linear in the size of a transactions
674 2015-11-18T17:38:31 <sipa> but the number of sighashes is typically also linear in the size of the transaction
675 2015-11-18T17:39:57 <nwilcox> Computing K hashes on the *same* N bytes of input takes N time and K space.
676 2015-11-18T17:40:07 <nwilcox> for sighash, it's not the same N bytes, but quite similar.
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678 2015-11-18T17:40:40 <nwilcox> Put another way: the computation of a single sighash is linear in the size of a txn, but different sighashes are not independent.
679 2015-11-18T17:41:02 <sipa> they are effectively independent
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683 2015-11-18T17:43:03 <gmaxwell> nwilcox: don't snow yourself with complexity. Just consider the worst case number of bytes hashed vs number of bytes in a transaction. At least in bitcoin, using sighash_all, it's quadratic.
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685 2015-11-18T17:44:34 <gmaxwell> if the hashing were structured differently, then perhaps it would just turn out linear. e.g. arranging things so that the differences were all at the end, or so that there were no differences.
686 2015-11-18T17:45:20 <nwilcox> Yes, I see how computing sighash all in "one pass" is same number of bytes hashed as multple passes.
687 2015-11-18T17:45:28 <nwilcox> (Not sure what "snow" means though. ;-)
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689 2015-11-18T17:47:06 <nwilcox> Is the different structure what the witness segregation element implements?
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693 2015-11-18T17:49:50 <gmaxwell> I think we failed to quite get it uniform there in the masking. but we could have, I think.
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695 2015-11-18T17:52:36 <gmaxwell> any new sighash we had for a new checksig in bitcoin we'd make an effort to resolve that.
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862 2015-11-18T22:01:47 <cocoBTC> Any suggestions if Elements alpha client is getting stuck on synchronizing? I cannot get through block 103582. I've tried to just redownload everything (removing blocks and chainstate folders)
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864 2015-11-18T22:03:43 <phantomcircuit> cocoBTC, #sidechains-dev
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866 2015-11-18T22:05:12 <cocoBTC> Ah, didn't know about that channel, I'll take the discussion there. Thanks!
867 2015-11-18T22:05:35 <phantomcircuit> actually i think 103582 is the last block
868 2015-11-18T22:06:02 <cocoBTC> Maybe I'm fooled by the client then? It says 21h behind.
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870 2015-11-18T22:06:54 <phantomcircuit> cocoBTC, the signers have been changed to only create blocks when there are transactions in the mempool i believe
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876 2015-11-18T22:10:45 <cocoBTC> You're right, 103582 is the latest block. I should have read more carefully on the alpha faucet page. https://alpha-faucet.elementsproject.org/
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