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 10 2015-11-21T00:16:06  <raedah> in what file might I find the logic for how transactions are displayed in bitcoin-qt's transaction tab?
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186 2015-11-21T08:54:34  <jonasschnelli> raedah: you mean the logic for the rows in the transaction table or the transaction details window?
187 2015-11-21T08:56:02  <jonasschnelli> Most table stuff is here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/qt/transactiontablemodel.cpp
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258 2015-11-21T12:24:57  <Luke-Jr> CodeShark: in the future, please don't submit the BIP pull request until it's been posted to the dev ML and had some review, or at the very least is completed
259 2015-11-21T12:25:22  <Luke-Jr> (at least, looking over it, I don't see any actual specification?)
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277 2015-11-21T12:59:04  <CodeShark> Luke-Jr: unfortunately the ML has been broken as of late
278 2015-11-21T12:59:10  <Luke-Jr> CodeShark: ⁈
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280 2015-11-21T12:59:54  <CodeShark> some of the people whose opinions I'd most like to hear no longer pay attention to the ML or have unsubscribe
281 2015-11-21T12:59:59  <CodeShark> *unsubscribed
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283 2015-11-21T13:00:47  <CodeShark> and BIP PRs are usually drafts at first anyhow
284 2015-11-21T13:01:02  <CodeShark> I'm not saying it's ideal
285 2015-11-21T13:01:40  <CodeShark> But I hear ya
286 2015-11-21T13:02:35  <CodeShark> anyhow, given the BIP assignment process uses PRs, I sorta thought that the process had moved towards submitting the PR even if it's just a draft...and then once it's assigned a number, it starts to be considered mergeable
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293 2015-11-21T13:07:13  <btcdrak> CodeShark: I think basically you have to post to the ML, then ping #bitcoin-dev and #bitcoin-core-dev to ensure you get notification coverage
294 2015-11-21T13:08:16  <CodeShark> but might as well post a document that's already in the proper format (even if content is still missing) and let people comment inline
295 2015-11-21T13:08:23  <CodeShark> not saying it has to be a PR
296 2015-11-21T13:08:32  <CodeShark> but github seems like a better medium for this than IRC or email
297 2015-11-21T13:10:51  <CodeShark> heck, let's create a separate PR discussion repo :)
298 2015-11-21T13:10:58  <CodeShark> err, BIP discussion repo
299 2015-11-21T13:11:38  <CodeShark> we can propose there, discuss, then once more fleshed out and assigned a number, we move it over to the BIP publication repo
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302 2015-11-21T13:13:14  <CodeShark> IRC is fine for interactive discussion regarding abstract ideas...but it isn't necessarily a good place to flesh out a specification
303 2015-11-21T13:13:33  <CodeShark> and the ML is hard to sift through if you want to specifically look at BIP proposals
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307 2015-11-21T13:15:18  <CodeShark> copy/pasting wikimedia docs without the markup in plaintext seems like taking a step back
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309 2015-11-21T13:17:19  <sipa> i usually write bip drafts first in gist, and then send a summary + link to the gist on the ML
310 2015-11-21T13:17:39  <CodeShark> I haven't seen you in the ML in ages, sipa ;)
311 2015-11-21T13:17:49  <sipa> i also haven't written a BIP in ages
312 2015-11-21T13:17:56  <sipa> s/write/wrote/
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314 2015-11-21T13:20:28  <CodeShark> whatever, I just want an effective, efficient process...and I feel like I'm much more productive on these types of things when I work with people on github, google docs, etc...rather than via back-and-forth emails
315 2015-11-21T13:21:33  <CodeShark> interactive chat is fine for realtime interaction, but it's nice to collaborate on a document together
316 2015-11-21T13:25:45  <CodeShark> if bitcoin/bips isn't the place for initial discussion, I can create a new repo :)
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318 2015-11-21T13:28:06  <CodeShark> anyhow, I don't think the ideas I'm proposing are particularly controversial...and I think they've all been discussed at some point in the ML, even if not explicitly as BIP proposals
319 2015-11-21T13:29:08  <sipa> yeah, i don't know what the right solution is here
320 2015-11-21T13:29:30  <sipa> it seems there is no good place anymore that's both inclusive and free of distraction
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324 2015-11-21T13:36:41  <jtimon> come on, it has gotten much better with the moderation, even my BIP99 noise have been moved to bitcoin-discuss
325 2015-11-21T13:37:34  <sipa> maybe i should consider joining again :)
326 2015-11-21T13:37:49  <jtimon> you definitely should
327 2015-11-21T13:38:41  <jtimon> I mean, for now, not even bitcoin-discuss has much noise, but I suspect that will change...
328 2015-11-21T13:41:23  <jtimon> fwiw, CodeShark posted to the ml, I don't see the harm in creating a PR (although just a branch without opening the PR would probably have served for the initial discussion as well), PRs can always be just closed if the BIP proposal doesn't "survive the initial discussion"
329 2015-11-21T13:41:40  <CodeShark> that's my thinking exactly, jtimon
330 2015-11-21T13:41:48  <jtimon> I suspect the ml first rule serves to reduce noise in the bip repo though
331 2015-11-21T13:42:33  <jtimon> with bip99 I linked to my branch without opening a PR at first, and then eventually opened the PR
332 2015-11-21T13:42:45  <jtimon> people can comment on your branch too
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336 2015-11-21T13:46:29  <CodeShark> I apologize if I didn't strictly follow the process...and yes, it could become a problem if people just start submitting PRs for a bunch of crap...and that the process in principle should apply to all equally. But I don't think we have a good process right now, and I feel that getting certain ideas out in the open and having people collaborate on them right
337 2015-11-21T13:46:29  <CodeShark> now is important
338 2015-11-21T13:47:25  <CodeShark> and I hope at least a few of you don't consider these proposals noise :)
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340 2015-11-21T13:48:52  <CodeShark> if anything, I think posting hairbrained ideas to the ML is actually more distracting than opening up a hairbrained PR
341 2015-11-21T13:49:08  <CodeShark> *harebrained
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351 2015-11-21T14:02:14  <Luke-Jr> CodeShark: it's premature to even assign a number until there's a first draft
352 2015-11-21T14:03:06  <Luke-Jr> CodeShark: anyhow, I only brought it up so it doesn't become a pattern other imitate
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355 2015-11-21T14:04:42  <CodeShark> understood
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361 2015-11-21T14:21:19  <btcdrak> For anyone who isnt subscribed to the mailing list, I posted this just now: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-November/011797.html
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366 2015-11-21T14:28:05  <CodeShark> BIP68 is now actually an enjoyable read - before I couldn't get passed the first paragraph :p
367 2015-11-21T14:28:47  <CodeShark> nicely done, btcdrak
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549 2015-11-21T20:19:26  <benjyz1> hello. anyone know more about bitcoin-libc?
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572 2015-11-21T20:51:28  <Luke-Jr> ok, BIP65-compatible BFGMiner released
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582 2015-11-21T21:03:39  <btcdrak> Luke-Jr: whoop whoop
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621 2015-11-21T22:24:28  <shesek> where can I find the current list of people with commit access to the github repo?
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624 2015-11-21T22:31:08  <gmaxwell> shesek: you mean for bitcoin core?
625 2015-11-21T22:31:28  <shesek> gmaxwell, indeed, to bitcoin/bitcoin on github
626 2015-11-21T22:32:07  <shesek> is it the same as the org members at https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin/people ?
627 2015-11-21T22:32:59  <shesek> not sure how that works on github and whether specific repos have more fine-grained access than the org members
628 2015-11-21T22:33:00  <gmaxwell> no that includes people with commit access to the other repos.
629 2015-11-21T22:33:27  <shesek> yeah, I figured. any idea where github lists the users with commit access to a specific repo? I can't seem to find that anywhere...
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631 2015-11-21T22:34:03  <gmaxwell> seems the list is non-public- and I don't see a way to make it public, but it's myself, wumpus, sipa, jeff, gavin, jonasschnelli (which was recently announced).
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634 2015-11-21T22:35:36  <shesek> gmaxwell, thanks! might be good to put that up on the wiki somewhere
635 2015-11-21T22:35:50  <shesek> or in the README file, perhaps
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